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[Anonymous No.18434712]

thoughts on stripping down Christianity to its most base and simple parts and following that instead of wallowing in dogma? I’ve heard Tolstoy did it using the teaching of Jesus.

[Anonymous No.18434720]

>>18434712
Do it using the teaching of Jesus.

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY3cHnRY No.18434811]

>>18434712


YOU MEAN CASTRATING THE CHURCH, AND DISSOLVING ITS INSTITUTION? ILLUMINISTS HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THREE HUNDRED YEARS.

[Anonymous No.18434818]

>>18434811
Why do you have to speak in caps. What’s the point of creating a distinct identity on an anonymous image board

[Anonymous No.18434861]

>>18434712
Let me tell you about a German fellow named Martin Luther...

[Anonymous No.18434991]

>>18434811
fag but based

[Anonymous No.18434995]

>another heresy mcflavor
How about no

[Anonymous No.18435205]

>>18434811
When did Jesus mention the church?

[Anonymous No.18435239]

>>18435205
Matthew 16:18

[Anonymous No.18435424]

>>18434811
Based

[Anonymous No.18435501]

>>18434712
I like the picture of the nun, it's funny

[Anonymous No.18435533]

>>18434712
The teachings of Jesus were that we should act a certain way solely to prepare for the imminent apocalypse. It didn't really work out.

[Anonymous No.18435535]

>>18435205
You're retarded, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.18435737]

>>18434712
>its most base and simple parts
Here:
>For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Not whatever TolSOY or anyone else cooked up

[Anonymous No.18435776]

>>18434712
By the way the woman in the picture isn't a nun. She is an actress in the stage production of Sister Act. They went to a baseball game to generate viral buzz

[Anonymous No.18435777]

>>18434712
>stripping Christianity down to what I want it to be and ignoring the parts I don't like
just make your own religion and leave Christianity alone, this is what all libs, feminists and gays are trying to do and it never works

[Anonymous No.18435787]

>>18434712
This >>18434861

Also see the Calvinists and the numerous other protestant offshoots.

[Anonymous No.18435812]

>>18435239
lol

[Anonymous No.18436242]

>>18434811
B A S E D

[Anonymous No.18436309]

>>18434712
>tfw no thot nun gf

[Anonymous No.18436339]

The Church collectively agreed to define certain essential doctrines in response to a deluge of heretical groups preaching all kinds of heresies. When people decided to decouple from these church bodies that did this they proceeded to define doctrine for themselves seeing it as still essential to do so and came to several radically different conclusions. After this happened two or three times you have modernist non-denoms who carry 50 pounds of dogmatic baggage around taking it for basic assumed truth that any Christian could see for self evident ignoring that Christianity had spent most of its histories fighting tooth and nail for these essential truths. Now Protestants have the audacity to act as if they are liberating Christianity when really they have opened the floodgates to heresy again and the fruits of this are self evident to anyone who gives even a cursory glance of Christianity in the west. The easiest way to show this to Protestants is to go line by line through the Nicene Creed, ask if they agree or disagree with each line, and ask where they think each line was defined and by who. By the time you get to the end you'll uncover 50 personal biases and surprisingly often they'll agree with theology derived from Rome in contrast to the East like the Filoque.

[Anonymous No.18436481]

>>18434712
Yea, Thomas Jefferson did this too. He literally went through the Bible and took out any mention of Christ's Divinity, which is exactly what you strip away. You turn Christ into merely another sage moralist.

[Anonymous No.18436502]

>>18434712
They're called red letter Christians and surprise surprise all of them are heretical hives of secular leftist politics masquerading as fidelity to the teachings of Christ

[Anonymous No.18436534]

>>18436502
>>18435777
Jesus, if you forced him into a modern day political stance, would obviously not be right wing. Sure, he might disagree with abortion and a few other things like that, but under no circumstances would he be xenophobic, tough on crime, racist. He obviously wouldn't be against charity, universal healthcare, welfare, and so on. And he wouldn't favour the greedy, mamon-worshipping policies that see rich people pay little in tax and do nothing to help the poor. He'd probably be a communist, and live like the early Christians did as described in acts. Pic related. Bonus quote: And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

Of course, in reality, Jesus never claimed to be the son of God. He was a failed apocalyptic preacher who believed that the world would end within the living generation at that time. Always fun to see people twist themselves into knots with their eisegesis to claim this isn't the case, though.

[Anonymous No.18436548]

>>18434991
>>18435424
>>18436242
Cocksuckers.

[Anonymous No.18436556]

>>18436534
The only reason this works is because Jesus is somewhat destined to be rejected by his own people and American Neoliberals are legitimately hateful and viscous enough to crucify one of their own for their religious beliefs and for speaking their mind

[Anonymous No.18436599]

>>18436534
>Of course, in reality, Jesus never claimed to be the son of God.

>what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
>and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”
>John 8:57-58 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”
????

[Anonymous No.18436623]

>>18436534
Jesus called himself the son of God.

[Anonymous No.18436633]

>>18436339
I don't wholly disagree with you, but the reason protestantism popped up was because the catholic church had also clearly begun to develop heretical beliefs, I don't think this is specific to splinter groups. Centralized religion is just as likely to be affected by the flaws of human nature, but it's also harder to beat back than in a decentralized system.

[Anonymous No.18436636]

>>18436534

[Anonymous No.18436769]

>>18434712
I think a certain removal from the Church is necessary. You can scroll through Archbishop Elpidophoros' tweets and have sensible doubt that he is a Christian.

[Anonymous No.18436793]

>>18434712
>"Christianity"
you are talking about tens of thousands of denominations, anon. you can't "strip them down".

this has been on my mind lately. reconciliation between east and west is possible but many, many protestants don't even teach about Jesus much less actually perform valid sacraments.

[Anonymous No.18436797]

>>18434712
HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED MILITANT TERRORIST ANABAPTISM?

[Anonymous No.18436800]

>>18436534
worst post of the decade on /lit/

100% of your information is incorrect but sounds believable by gullible zoomers like yourself. if you're going to preach, try preaching scripture instead of marxist interpretation of scripture. we have enough of those inside the church already.

[Anonymous No.18436816]

>>18434712
I'm currently reading Tolstoy's take on the Gospels and his removal of the spiritual infrastructure like the institution of the sacraments and the supernatural occurrences loses a lot of what I find to be beautiful in Christianity. I believe in a Church that stretches between Earth and Heaven and that really seems like what Christ was talking about too, I don't know to what extent you can separate His teachings from the institutions they created before you lose all pretense of it being Christ-like

[Anonymous No.18436841]

>>18436816
Bring back the Latin mass.

[Anonymous No.18436846]

Just read the Bible and let the Holy Spirit guide you in your interpretation
Follow what the Holy Spirit teaches you, you don't need anything else

[Anonymous No.18436890]

>>18436846
>t. demon

[Anonymous No.18436904]

>>18436890
John 14:26

[Anonymous No.18436914]

>>18436904
>talking directly to the Apostles

[Anonymous No.18436922]

>>18436914
Do you not believe that everything Christ said to the apostles was also for our benefit?

[Anonymous No.18436931]

>>18436914
All verses have a dual meaning, you have the in-text context and then the meaning that the verse has to you
So for example we read Isaiah 7:14 as a prophecy with an in-text meaning to take a virgin giving birth as a sign of God now we understand the in-text context of that verse but we also have a meaning to us now, that is that the prophecy of Jesus being born a virgin was made in the day of Isaiah
How do you not know this?

[Anonymous No.18436940]

>>18436922
>Christ gave the keys to Peter
>actually this means he gave them to everyone because Christ is incapable of addressing a specific person or group
>>18436931
didn't read

[Anonymous No.18436952]

>>18436940
Fair enough, I guess, more context is required to show that it isn't specifically targeted to the individuals he's speaking with. I think the preceding verses make it clear that it's not meant to be discriminatory, though.
>Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. 25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

[Anonymous No.18436984]

>>18436940
Ok Jew

[Anonymous No.18436985]

>>18434712
god doesnt exist

[Anonymous No.18436992]

>>18436985

[Anonymous No.18437015]

>>18434712
>THIS NUN DRANK A BEER!!!! THEN SHE TOOK A PICTURE OF IT!!! WESTERN SOCIETY IS OVER!!!

[Anonymous No.18437019]

>>18436952
what you "think," doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.18437029]

>>18437019
Shall I rephrase my post more assertively?
*Regardless of what anyone thinks, the preceding verses make it clear that it's not meant to be discriminatory.

[Anonymous No.18437118]

>>18434811
You're so goddamn annoying that I would rather deal with Butterfly than you.

[Anonymous No.18437174]

>>18437015
Whomst are you paraphrasing?

[Anonymous No.18437207]

>>18436534
>He obviously wouldn't be against charity, universal healthcare, welfare, and so on.

Demonstrably false.

[Anonymous No.18437223]

But I don't want to forgive my enemies or turn the other cheek.

[Anonymous No.18437224]

>>18434712

It's called Protestantism

[Anonymous No.18437234]

>>18434712
primal christianity. that would be no christianity at all. that would be finding god on your own.

[Anonymous No.18437247]

I practise Christianity simply by looking up pics of old paintings and medieval manuscripts like the Book of Kells and the Lindisfarne Gospels while listening to Hildegard Von Bingen and such on Youtube. Maybe the Church-goers and the Bible-readers and the Theologycels would have a problem with that but it works for me.

[Anonymous No.18437278]

>>18434712
AHHHHHHHH I JUST WANT A CUTE CHASTE NUN GF

[Anonymous No.18437298]

>>18434811
This

[Anonymous No.18437305]

>>18435501
Save it my friend, it's all yours!

[Anonymous No.18437319]

>>18434712
Isn't that what Jung did?

[Anonymous No.18437327]

>>18437319
nah, that's what Jordan Peterson did.

[Anonymous No.18437331]

>>18434861
this

[Anonymous No.18437332]

>>18436534
>Of course, in reality, Jesus never claimed to be the son of God.
how do you interpret John 8:58?
>58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
I kind of agree with the sentiment expressed in the rest of your post though.

[Anonymous No.18437467]

>>18434861
based

[Anonymous No.18437499]

>>18436534

The amount of autists, heretics, fedorafags in this board is staggering. But you are one special retarded, nutcase out of them all.

[Anonymous No.18437507]

>>18436534
>If Jesus was here now he'd be a Communist
>Also all the Bible stuff was made up
Why are commies like this

[Anonymous No.18437534]

>>18437327
Kinda sorta, he approached it from a psychological point of view. Which means the transcendental essence was lost

[Anonymous No.18437578]

>>18436534
Please never post again until you read the bible yourself.

[Anonymous No.18437689]

>>18434712
Sounds gay.

[Anonymous No.18437746]

>ctrl+f "resurrection"
>0/0 results

OP, what do you think could possibly be more "base and simple" about Christianity than the Resurrection? It's the one aspect of Jesus' life that exists in all four of the Gospels. It is the one aspect of Christianity that seems present in the early Church from the very start. Paul writes about "Christ crucified" in his epistles.

So I assume, then, that if you want to strip Christianity down to its "most base and simple parts," that would include the Crucifixion and the Resurrection, right?

You DO believe that Jesus LITERALLY rose from the dead, don't you, OP? Because if you don't, even the very earliest Christians would call you a sham.

[Anonymous No.18437788]

>>18434712
yeah, I’m a Christian, you got a problem with that? I used to be a sinner like you but 2 years ago I found GOD. In my teens I would laugh at creationists; I would always tell my grandma that I didn’t want to go to mass; I was agnostic but not like r/Atheism. But when I GREW UP and became a man, I realised I needed to put childish things away (1 Corinthians 13:11). Why is that? Because I realized that we need Christianity to SAVE THE WEST. After I voted Trump in the 2016 election I decided to go to church again. I knew that I would find a QT pure Christian GF who I could lose my virginity to (I haven’t lost it yet because I’m saving myself for marriage, like God intended). I haven’t found her yet, but like Job I will pray and have faith in God. Then I saw Jordan Peterson talking about Christianity and I was hooked! (I don’t like him anymore though, he’s a fake Christian). I watched all his videos on the bible and realised how God reveals himself in many ways. I was on /pol/ (came from r/The_Donald during the election but I hate redditors now) Christian General and I saw /lit/ chart which had The Bible and I KNEW I found my people. Every day I see THE WEST falling because we gave up our FAITH. Well, the new Christian intellectuals are coming; We are the sons of the Crusaders and we shall not recoil before the sons of Voltaire! (Candide was shit, so is Nietzsche (haven’t read either of them)). /lit/ introduced me to Kierkegaard and I became a KNIGHT OF FAITH, so now I know that I just gotta believe and that’s TRUE bravery. I read DANTE and DOSTOEVSKY and I saw the beauty of God and true art. I’m a proud Catholic (Protestants are heretics) but I hate Pope Francis, he’s a heretic and isn’t MY Pope. /lit/ is a Christian board, and I know that if I just keep recommending the Bible, telling people to go to church, and making threads about how great God is, I will finally be able to sincerely believe in God and distract myself from the gnawing feeling that I’m a fraud. Faith ain’t easy.

[Anonymous No.18437795]

>>18437788
Catholicbros... we got too cocky

[Anonymous No.18437897]

>>18437788
>After I voted Trump in the 2016 election
Update this to voting Trump in my high school's mock election. 2016 was 5 years ago.