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[Anonymous No.18420684]

My dad is suicidal. He hasn´t attempted it yet, but he tells me that he has these outbursts of suicidal depression that nearly drive him crazy and that he has been veru close to just pulling the trigger. He is going to go to therapy and all, but he also asked me for books that could help him feel better.
The only ones that did it for me were Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, Man´s search for meaning by Viktor Frankl and The Denial of Death by Ernst Becker (but I didn´t recommend him the last one cause it´s some heavy shit).
Are there any books that can help a suicidal man?

[Anonymous No.18420697]

i dont know ,but anti depressants would probably work.. albeit with quite a few side effects

[Anonymous No.18420701]

>>18420684
Brothers Karamazov

[Anonymous No.18420705]

Tell him to start with the greeks

[Anonymous No.18420708]

>>18420684
Kill him before he kills himself.

[Anonymous No.18420710]

>>18420684
Only one book I can think of

[Anonymous No.18420714]

>>18420684
the absolute state of white people, telling their own children they are suicidal, pathetic. there are fathers who are ashamed to even show slight weakness infront of their loved ones...just pitiful.

[Anonymous No.18420715]

>>18420708
Now that's what I call starting with the Greeks

[Anonymous No.18420723]

>>18420684
The Death of Ivan Ilyich

[Anonymous No.18420725]

>>18420684
Regular exercise is the best antidepressant. At the very least daily walks

[Anonymous No.18420746]

>>18420684
Due to evolutionary pressures, the majority of men are genetically designed to be cannon fodder. Made to be killed in glorious mass battles in their primes. It sounds like your father is living in tune with his true nature, and the society designating him as sick is the real problem.

My advice is for him to take out as many of our enemies as he can on his way out.

[Anonymous No.18420764]

>>18420684
A father should never show weakness to their child.

[Anonymous No.18420774]

>>18420746
>>18420746
>>18420746
>>18420746

[Anonymous No.18420798]

>>18420764
This. And men should never show weakness to women. Only to a close, long-time buddy.

[Anonymous No.18420812]

My dad was depressed from before I was born until I was 16 years old.
He had chronic pain too which didn't go away with medication (he was too scared to use the addictive ones) and when I was 16 years old he bought a suicide bag and killed himself.
He had settled into an eerie peace for a few months before it happened apart from one outburst where he screamed at me and called me a cock loving faggot in denial of his homosexuality and then cried in front of me and begged me for forgiveness.
I'm glad you're trying to help your dad.

[Anonymous No.18420816]

>>18420812
Oh yeah, he also promised me that he'd never do it years before.

[Anonymous No.18420834]

>>18420812
Can't really blame him if his pain was that bad. I was in the hospital with a guy suffering from Crohn's disease and I wouldn't blame him if he offed himself. Constant, debilitating agony for the lad. I used to hear him screaming and crying in the middle of the night.

[Anonymous No.18420988]

>>18420714
>>18420764
>>18420798
Come on lads, don´t be like that. He´s no longer a young man. He has fought his battles, done everything he can, suffered so much that I can´t really blame him if he feels like he can´t take it anymore. I don´t think any of you have gone through similar things, so how can you talk like that?

>>18420746
You might be onto something. His job was really violent and he really enjoyed it. I can´t imagine doing what he did and enjoying it at all kek. But then again he was already managing at my age.

>>18420701
>>18420723
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.18421021]

>>18420988
>You might be onto something. His job was really violent and he really enjoyed it.

Was he a soldier, a cop, or a butcher?

[Anonymous No.18421029]

>>18420684
My parents were hippies and they called me Loin because i come from my dad's loin. Might as well have called me Cum.

[Anonymous No.18421039]

>>18421029
Based sex having parents.

Go get me a beer, Loin!

[Anonymous No.18421048]

>>18420988
>how can you talk like that?
Our own traumas, most likely. Oftentimes when people say or do something weird that's why, discounting sheer malevolence.
On a serious note, I hope that things get better for you guys. I can recommend the New Testament and the Bhagavad Gita.

[Anonymous No.18421114]

The one you write to tell your dad how important it is to you for him to live

[Anonymous No.18421260]

>>18420684
>>18420697
>i dont know ,but anti depressants would probably work.. albeit with quite a few side effects
Wellbutrin had no / very mild side effects for me. On the other hand, I found an SSRI to be debilitating in the smallest of doses. Antidepressants can work. Keep up your and your dad's hope.

[Anonymous No.18421290]

>>18420988
ivan ilych is a good novella but i really wouldn't recommend to give it to your depressed father
could possibly make the situation worse

[Anonymous No.18421296]

>>18421290
this, it's a depressing and sad read about a regretful life

[Anonymous No.18421607]

>The Denial Of Death
>Look it up
>Builds upon the works of blah, blah
>Søren Kierkegaard

Aaaand it's DROPPED

[Anonymous No.18421713]

>>18421607
What´s wrong with Kierkegaard?

[Anonymous No.18421903]

>>18420684
Is he actually attempting to recover, I mean to say is he actually invested in positive outcome or does he lean towards indifference or..? If he's actually actively looking for means to improve his condition, it's one thing. If he's looking for something to sweep in and magically alter his outlook and shit, he's asking for nothing short of a miracle - maybe LSD or mushrooms, though they could have fatal side effects generating the needed impetus to self-annihilate.

[Anonymous No.18421975]

>>18421903
Yeah, he wants to get better, but not in a magical miracle way. That´s why he´s going to therapy and why he is interested in the books that helped me get better.

[Anonymous No.18422141]

>>18421713
nothing

[Anonymous No.18422218]

>>18421975
I'd say, it seems to me that you're his starting point, and that you should just give him something you treasure. Talk about it and connect. The content isn't what is meaningful, but the connections that it fosters. If he doesn't like the first one, try another, find something you guys connect on and forge the bond.

Also, I find Eckhart Tolle pretty good, if you don't like Eckhard himself he talks about several other religions and practices. Mindfulness practices are the only relief I've found for myself, but they require a high degree of discipline to be really effective.

[Anonymous No.18422250]

My dad killed himself it sucks. Good on you for trying to get him help. But if he does end up offing himself don’t blame yourself for his actions.

[Anonymous No.18422348]

>>18422250
same. hope ur doing well, i feel a spiritual bond my fellow suicidal dad anons

[Anonymous No.18422358]

>>18420812
Damn

[Anonymous No.18422401]

>>18420764
you're insinuating that you yourself are not a weakling
>>18420684
Psycho-Cybernetics
How to Win Friends and Influence People
Atomic Habits
tell him to stop trying to treat the symptoms
>>18420774

[Anonymous No.18422410]

>>18420812
>his son is a failure and a dick-sucking homo
jesus
your dad was dying and the last thing you could think to do is project
you really are focused on nothing but your own pleasure

[Anonymous No.18422431]

>>18422410
?
What projecting did I do

[Anonymous No.18422508]

My pops killed himself at 45, didn't tell me he was depressed, went on "vacation" for 2 weeks and killed himself the first day of it. Didn't find his body until 2.5 weeks later.

[Anonymous No.18423545]

Bumping because I could use these books for myself honestly.

[Anonymous No.18423573]

>>18420684
Bro please read Staring at the Sun, trust me.
And then treat him accordingly or after reading just recommend him that book. That book is a good antidote for The Denial of Death.

I don't think that one book can change him but you should do your best.

[Anonymous No.18423644]

>>18420684
Phaedo by Plato.

[Anonymous No.18423647]

>>18420684
Why not give him books to help him achieve what he wants. Alt.suicides faq is a classic.

[Anonymous No.18423684]

unironically Camoo (Sisyphus - Summer)
Weil
poetry
Holderlin's Hyperion
Perec's Life: as user's manual
Montaigne's essais
good luck to you and to him anon, don't listen to the edgy fags on this board

[Anonymous No.18423801]

Anathemas and Admirations by Emil Cioran.
The New Gods by Emil Cioran.

[Anonymous No.18423822]

>>18423801
Best post

[Anonymous No.18423827]

>>18420684
your dads suicidal? i'm suicidal, you're suicidal, everyone's fucking suicidal

[Anonymous No.18423834]

>>18423827
Well life is prison. Might as well jump over the wall.

[Anonymous No.18423876]

>>18423834
I hope you didn't think that was profound

[Anonymous No.18423885]

>>18420684
Tell him to read Plato.

[Anonymous No.18424231]

>>18420684
Seneca has a letter about why he wouldn’t kill himself and other thoughts that may help your father stop torturing himself.

[Anonymous No.18424241]

Get him some Krishnamurti, he's very life affirming.

[Anonymous No.18424300]

There's no book that is gonna cure him of this and change his life. That's a dumb romantic notion and I've never seen it happen. Maybe it's possible, but I doubt it.

Journey to the End of the Night is my suggestion, kek. At least it's funny without trying to cheer you up in a fake way.

[Anonymous No.18424338]

Brain chemical imbalance isn't true depression, your father is a pussy.

[Anonymous No.18425102]

>>18424338
What is true depression?

[Anonymous No.18425394]

>>18420684
A book that always cheers me up is the autobiography of norm macdonald.

[Anonymous No.18425430]

>>18425394
Hell yeah.

[Anonymous No.18425487]

Unironically start exercising with your dad, whether its hiking or the gym. Both you you should read Plato's 5 Dialogues as well.

[Anonymous No.18427141]

>>18420684
Nausea, Jean-Paul Sartre. Though his problem must not be existetial rendering this book useless for his cause. Who could amswer definately? Sorry to hear about your dad.

[Anonymous No.18428803]

>>18423573
>That book is a good antidote for The Denial of Death.
Id that book really so bad? Every time I see it mentioned its like it comes with a gun and a bullet ton tap out with when you read the last page.

[Anonymous No.18429113]

Have you tried retransitioning? Be a son to him will ya

[Anonymous No.18429152]

Detransitioning* idk tranny words sorry

[Anonymous No.18429171]

>>His job was really violent and he really enjoyed it.
I felt bad for him until this

[Anonymous No.18429338]

>>18420684
On Human Being by Olivier Clement. The Prison Saint. The Way of the Pilgrim.

[Anonymous No.18429367]

>>18421029
Real life pynchon character

[Anonymous No.18430887]

>>18420684
go spend time with him, retard
seneca and the bhagavad gita are okay

[Anonymous No.18430894]

>>18420684
the denial of death? what the fuck is wrong with you anon are you trying to kill him? Thats what you read when even suicide seems like a cope to you, it's end game.

Give him the book Feeling Good, it teaches him to recognize his own cognitive distortions so he can see things clearly.

[Anonymous No.18430902]

>>18428803
Denial of Death either makes you brakes you. But it does take away heavy load off your chest. Sometimes this book makes me want to go outside and dance till I pass out. Sometimes it makes me want to cry all day and do nothing and sometimes it makes me want to kill myself.

[Anonymous No.18432341]

>>18420988
>His job was really violent and he really enjoyed it
Uhm, what was his job?
I don't believe in redemption. My own religion doesn't believe in such shit.
Depending on the extent of the impure actions he did, I would say he deserves to die.
It's an Abrahamic mentality to believe anyone can be "redeemed" after engaging in certain horrifying transgressive acts. Some people are beyond the possibility of purification and should, thus, die.
I'm not going to offer compassion when I don't know the whole story.

[Anonymous No.18432352]

>>18420684
Make him read blood meridian or ulysses. He'll kill himself out of confusion

[Anonymous No.18432376]

>>18432341
What shitty religion would that be?

[Anonymous No.18432391]

>>18432376
Why should I tell you when you refer to my religion as shitty?
It is your religion that is in fact shitty. You treat God more like a being that has a personality rather than a qualitative force because you are morons.
When people engage in certain transgressive acts, they tarnish their inner spirit. Are you going to promote trashy antinomianism?
Many people deserve to die, for they have embraced the darkness and destroyed their inner light. This can be understood by embodying negative states of mind and temporarily inducing a kind of void within one's heart; such impure, defiled ones exist in such a state for much of their lives.
To rid this world of impurities, of the darkness, is an act of righteousness.
Depending on the kind of actions his father engaged in, suicide may be advisable. There is nothing wrong with that. This world can use less people, especially those who are animated by the lie.

[Anonymous No.18432440]

>>18432341
>>18432391
You sound like a schizo

[Anonymous No.18432457]

>>18432391
alright philistine. you're going to hell anyway, with your ashtray-like soul full of the ashes of your sins.

[Anonymous No.18432475]

>>18432440
The reality is that you are the schizo in that you believe people can freely engage in transgressive actions without yielding irreversible impure effects.
As I've said, I want to know the specifics of what his dad engaged in. Did he do actions such as rape or kill children, animals, and women. Did he do so out of some sadistic urge?
If so he is beyond the capacity of purification, and this world would greatly benefit from his death. In fact, this would aid and benefit God.
Moreover, the fact you are constantly choosing to resist the truth I bring forth to you means you are spreading lies and deceit. You spread the lie that people are still redeemable after highly sadistic or transgressive acts, and therefore, you too should follow their fate with suicide *unless* you change your act. Depending on your circumstances, you may still be purified if and only if you cease spread antinomian and nihilistic nonsense.

[Anonymous No.18432488]

>>18432457
I'm neither sadistic nor transgressive.
Original Sin is a disgusting view, a literal lie, and people who believe it will go to hell in my views.
It is simply a dynamic of purity vs impurity, good vs evil, nothing more. You are a death fetishist, and your views are the highest form of lies.
You are an edgelord cunt.

[Anonymous No.18432495]

>>18432391
>yeah I'm being a shitty person but I won't tell you why!
Alright I guess

[Anonymous No.18432506]

>>18432495
You are too afflicted by the Abrahamic mentality.
Serial killers, sadistic murders, and many more do not deserve to live. They are beyond the capacity of purification.
In regards to soldiers, those who rape and torture children or women do not deserve to live. However, shooting men who fight back during war is fine, and one still has capacity for purification.

[Anonymous No.18432517]

>>18424231
Which letter? Can't find it

>>18423573
Staring at the Sun by who?

>>18430894
Feeling Good by who?

[Anonymous No.18432521]

>>18420684
Crime and Punishment moved my unconscious and caused me to stop being so bound in bed severely depressed.
I'm on antidepressants and they do help, have him see therapist regularly.

[Anonymous No.18432548]

>offering compassion when you don't know what kind of actions a person engaged in
There should be no compassion offered to likes of Jeffrey Dahmer, murderers of Furuta, Peter Scully, and so forth. The only way to help this world is by executing them as soon as possible.
There is such a thing as false compassion.

[Anonymous No.18432553]

>>18432506
Not OP but I am interested in your religion and theology.
As a teen I became a degenerate petty criminal and did things... I would like to hear what they say about purification

[Anonymous No.18432557]

>>18420988
sounds like he deserves it, frankly.

[Anonymous No.18432571]

>>18432553
I'm not talking about doing petty criminal things.
I'm talking about doing heinous, insane shit like murder of Ebba, Jeffrey Dahmer, murderers of Furuta, Peter Scully, gang-rape of al-Janabi, and etc.
There are certain things if you do in this world, you cannot be purified. I would also place torturing mammals and birds on that level too.

[Anonymous No.18432813]

>>18432571
al-Jabani, i wish i hadnt looked that up LOL fuck mannnnnnn

[Anonymous No.18432849]

On the Shortness of Life may help him, though that could be one that’s more beneficial if you read it at a younger age

[Anonymous No.18432867]

>>18420714
hidding your weakness is even more pathetic. Parents should be honest with their children.

[Anonymous No.18432875]

>>18420684
Diamond and Lakavatara Sutras

[Anonymous No.18432880]

>>18420684
The Stranger by Albert Camus

[Anonymous No.18432883]

>>18432867
Not in the case of suicide, no parent should admit to their children they are contemplating suicide. Frankly if you have loving children you dont even get the privilege to commit suicide. You choose to forgo that privilege when you have children.

[Anonymous No.18432958]

I sometimes wonder what would happen if I had kids but continued to still be depressed and suicidal

[Anonymous No.18433016]

>>18432517
Staring at the Sun by Irvin Yalom

[Anonymous No.18433023]

>>18420684
>My dad is suicidal. He hasn´t attempted it yet, but he tells me that he has these outbursts of suicidal depression that nearly drive him crazy and that he has been veru close to just pulling the trigger. He is going to go to therapy and all, but he also asked me for books that could help him feel better.
Hug him very, very strong

[Anonymous No.18433463]

>>18432571
>>18432813
>al-Jabani
Fucking mutts, once again.

[Anonymous No.18433468]

Therapist, anon. Now

[Anonymous No.18433478]

>>18433468
Nvm I'm dumb

[Anonymous No.18433488]

>>18420714
Who broke you?

[Anonymous No.18434122]

>>18432571
What is your religion, Hindu/Indian?