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>Of all the tragic facts about the history of slavery, the most astonishing to an American today is that, although slavery was a worldwide institution for thousands of years, nowhere in the world was slavery a controversial issue prior to the 18th century. People of every race and color were enslaved – and enslaved others. White people were still being bought and sold as slaves in the Ottoman Empire, decades after American blacks were freed.

>Everyone hated the idea of being a slave but few had any qualms about enslaving others. Slavery was just not an issue, not even among intellectuals, much less among political leaders, until the 18th century – and then it was an issue only in Western civilization. Among those who turned against slavery in the 18th century were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry and other American leaders. You could research all of the 18th century Africa or Asia or the Middle East without finding any comparable rejection of slavery there. But who is singled out for scathing criticism today? American leaders of the 18th century.

>Deciding that slavery was wrong was much easier than deciding what to do with millions of people from another continent, of another race, and without any historical preparation for living as free citizens in a society like that of the United States, where they were 20 percent of the population.

>It is clear from the private correspondence of Washington, Jefferson, and many others that their moral rejection of slavery was unambiguous, but the practical question of what to do now had them baffled. That would remain so for more than half a century.

>In 1862, a ship carrying slaves from Africa to Cuba, in violation of a ban on the international slave trade, was captured on the high seas by the U.S. Navy. The crew were imprisoned and the captain was hanged in the United States – despite the fact that slavery itself was still legal at the time in Africa, Cuba, and in the United States. What does this tell us? That enslaving people was considered an abomination. But what to do with millions of people who were already enslaved was not equally clear. (1/2)

>> No.18417895

>>18417892
>That question was finally answered by a war in which one life was lost [620,000 Civil War casualties] for every six people freed [3.9 million]. Maybe that was the only answer. But don’t pretend today that it was an easy answer – or that those who grappled with the dilemma in the 18th century were some special villains when most leaders and most people around the world saw nothing wrong with slavery.

>Incidentally, the September 2003 issue of National Geographic had an article about the millions of people still enslaved around the world right now. But where is the moral indignation about that?

>There are an estimated 27 million men, women, and children in the world who are enslaved — physically confined or restrained and forced to work, or controlled through violence, or in some way treated as property.

>Therefore, there are more slaves today than were seized from Africa in four centuries of the trans-Atlantic slave trade [11 million total, and about 450,000, or about 4% of the total, who were brought to the United States]. The modern commerce in humans rivals illegal drug trafficking in its global reach—and in the destruction of lives. (2/2)

>> No.18417900

Based Uncle Tom

>> No.18417905

Stop posting this uncle tom

>> No.18417916

But US slavery is the only place where buck breaking took place

>> No.18417919

>>18417892
My favourite darkie.

>> No.18417923

There's a difference between most historical slavery, and chattel slavery in which an entire race was essentially considered a slave race and was bred for that purpose. It's true though that the founding fathers obviously should be judged in historical context, and they were a lot more "progressive" than most people on this issue at the time.

>> No.18417936

>>18417923
The word slave comes from the word Slav, you absolute mongoloid.

>> No.18417944

>>18417923
Race-based slavery is hardly exclusive to the US. It’s existed in other places, Brazil for example.

>> No.18417947

Sowell makes leftards seethe so hard for some reason.

Calm down you imbeciles.

>> No.18417951

>>18417923
>There's a difference between most historical slavery, and chattel slavery in which an entire race was essentially considered a slave race and was bred for that purpose
Why is "race" so important in this context?
Do you think the Christians enslaved under the Barbary slave trade were like: "Good thing I'm not enslaved because of my race though!"

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>>18417923
>chattel slavery in which an entire race was essentially considered a slave race and was bred for that purpose.
Based slave owners

>> No.18417960

>>18417936
Not it doesn't
T. Slav

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>writes objective truth
>NOOO YOU MUSTN'T SAY THIS UNCLE TOMERINO

>> No.18417969

>>18417951
I think people erroneously take race into account as some inherent reason why one group was chosen over another when it's obvious that the cost of the slave played the largest factor.

Whatever racial outlooks stemmed afterwards is whatever.

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>>18417916
Ouch

>> No.18417978

>>18417892
The most tragic fact of slavery is that it ended. Fuck this nigger.

>> No.18417981

>>18417969
This is true. Slavery generally caused racism rather than the other way around. Spending your whole life around a race and only knowing them as slaves obviously has an effect on your perception of them, especially over many generations and institutionalization.

>> No.18417992

>>18417923
No, they were taken from specific low developed tribes throughout Africa. Americans did business with other Africans when purchasing slaves. Its no different from when a technologically superior nations enslaved weaker ones historically.

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>>18417978

>> No.18418021

>>18418018
lmao

>> No.18418084

>>18417992
What’s wrong with the strong exploiting the weak? Don’t be weak.

>> No.18418119

>>18418084
>what's wrong with jews exploiting the goy? Just dont be a goy

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Based

>> No.18418149

>>18417892
That's bullshit, slavery was controversial within the Christian world since the classical era. Of course many Christians supported or accepted it but there were serious objectors. The idea that nobody ever questioned it before the 18th century is ridiculous.

>> No.18418203

>>18418149
The point still stands though. Slavery was only controversial in the West.

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>>18417923
You're still thinking in a postmodernist mindset. The driving factor behind enslaving Africans wasn't that they were black but that it was easy. You had an entire continent rife with intertribal conflict and prisoners of war. You also had tribal leaders willing to exchange these prisoners for simple things like beads, copper wire, and alcohol. It's no surprise it happened.

The sense of racial superiority came FROM the ease of slave trading, it didn't cause the trade. The origins of the transatlantic slave trade are no different than any other slave trade through history, one founded on the strength of one group over another.

>> No.18418257

>>18418149
Nigga there’s slavery in the Bible.

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>>18417960
Yes, it does.

>> No.18418265

>>18417947
Pointing out how he’s just an uncle Tom retard isn’t seething

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>>18418233
Based scholarchad

>> No.18418325

>>18418265
Calling him an Uncle Tom shows both how clueless & unedcuted you are, but also how much you are seething.

>> No.18418333

Leftists are the biggest racists.

>> No.18418337

>>18418325
Now you reveal yourself as the dimwit you are.

>> No.18418340

>>18418257
Not him but yes, you're right there is. Particularly in the Old Testament. The controversy, however, stems from some passages in the New Testament that mention the unity of mankind through Jesus:
>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28

Detractors, however, could point out that the passage doesn't mean these things literally cease to exist (obviously men are men and women are women) but that it doesn't matter for acquiring salvation.

>> No.18418341

>>18418337
Go read up on the true meaning of Uncle Tom, you seething racist leftist.

>> No.18418344

>>18418149
Define controversial. In my readings, I don't see any serious Christian objections to slavery, not in the entirety of its history up until the Civil War. And in fact I would argue that not only were there no serious, as in theologically legitimate Christian objections to the master-slave relationship, the biblical argument was won decisively by the South. The only reason Christianity does not endorse slavery today, putting aside its fallen state and cowardice, is because the South lost the war, delegitimizing its Christian spiritual leaders such as Dabney in the process. Theologically speaking, the South won the argument on slavery, all you need to do is read the Christian works of the Civil War period to come to that conclusion.

>> No.18418350

>>18418337
>no u r dumb

>> No.18418359

>>18418265
Why are you even here? I’ve literally never seen you add to any discussion in any meaningful way. You always just spout random bullshit and insults. Don’t you have anything better to do?

>> No.18418363

>>18418341
Just get off my board, cracka.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Uncle+Tom

>> No.18418366

>>18418341
>Leftists are the REAL racists
Kill yourself immediately. Racism is a spook. Niggers are not smart because of biology. Just stop

>> No.18418395

>>18418366
Yes but

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fnation%2f2018%2f11%2f30%2fwhite-liberals-dumb-themselves-down-when-they-speak-black-people-new-study-contends%2f

>> No.18418408

When did the Chinese do slavery? I don't it has much of a history in Asia compared to Africa, ne world and the near east.

>> No.18418428

>>18418395
Yes, all people are latent racists bc racism is a fundamental truth of human life great job idiot

>> No.18418432

>>18418233
>The sense of racial superiority came FROM the ease of slave trading, it didn't cause the trade
This is interesting, do you have any further reading on this?

>> No.18418495

>>18418366
is biology the reason you're retarded as well?

>> No.18418508

>>18418495
Yes, intelligence is a heritable trait

>> No.18418512

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