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Is it his weakest novel? It feels like he's just expounding ideas and uses the narrator as his mouthpiece.

>> No.18414480

>>18414468
The historical context matters and the first half reads just like the sort of shit you'd find in some schizos diary which I think is remarkable.

>> No.18414488

>>18414468
/r9k/ hadn't been invented yet so he just shitposted in his diary

>> No.18414489

Top 3 for sure.
If you think that's a weak writing then you haven't read enough Dosto

>> No.18414505

>>18414480
This. Dosto was shitting on the socialists and rationalists of the time.
Later on he went further in Demons, where he also came to shit on the communists of future Russia. Apparently this was so accurate that Lenin threw the book away in rage.

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>>18414468
Dead House is Dostoevsky best work.

>> No.18414515

>>18414468
Not a novel and one of his masterpieces. Braindead OP.

>> No.18414520

the prose was pretty difficult for me when i first read it way back when

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Maybe im a brainlet, but there's one thing i dont understand. In the second part, the narrator starts to unravel, which signifies a development, not just in the narrator but also in Dosto himself. I never got what this really was meant to be.
It's been years since i read it, though, so maybe i should give it another shot.

>> No.18414541

Someone left this book in the airport, when my flight got delayed. It was the beginning of my true lit journey, so thank you forgetful person for dropping this gem.

>> No.18414546

>>18414525
I always thought it was simply to represent how a man cannot truly 'live' the way the Underground Man does.

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>>18414541
That was me. I laced it with ricin in the hope that it would kill a /lit/izen. It seems it has failed.

>> No.18414557

>>18414548
I've always wondered why a terrorist cell never formed out of /lit/. You have all these posters shilling actionary and reactionary philosophy, yet not action ever comes of it.

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>>18414557
You dont know that

>> No.18414572

>>18414505
>Apparently this was so accurate that Lenin threw the book away in rage.
Source?

>> No.18414578

>>18414572
source on my nuts

>> No.18414590

>>18414572
Googling "lenin+ dostoyevski" gives this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dostoevsky/comments/f4rdfo/lenin_on_dostoevsky_translated_from_russian/

I expected Lenin to be opposed to any critique on Chernyshevsky, but what is also funny is that Lenin seemingly cannot bear the thought that there is a darker and irrational part of the human spirit, which is what Dosto emphasizes.

>> No.18414647

>>18414468
The first half is enjoyable though it's rambling at times. The second half is the weakest and can be skipped.

>> No.18414657

>>18414590
Thanks, interesting.

All in all, I think the main part of the whole story is this one

>In the list of monuments to 20 Russian authors which were to be installed after the revolution, approved by Lenin, we read:

>"1. Tolstoy.

>2. Dostoevsky..."

At the time of the Revolution, these authors were contemporary (Tolstoj died only in 1910) and so there was a lot of political discussion around them. Nowadays, one century later, one can read them both without having strong feeling about the social situation in the Russian Empire in the late XIX/early XX centuries.

>> No.18414665

The Idiot is his weakest novel

>> No.18415480

>>18414557
Go away fed

>> No.18416100

>>18414468
Bros K > C&P > Notes > Idiot > Demons

change my mind

>> No.18416843

>>18416100
why dont you like Demons?

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>>18414590
That thread is peak pseud

>> No.18416971

>>18414525
>>18414546
This. Same goes for when Raskolnikov tries to be a superhuman.

>> No.18417038

>>18416100
This is how I rank them too

>> No.18417050

>>18416843
First third is Dosto trying and failing at being Tolstoy; completely boring and rambly. Second third was better but still pretty meh. Only the last third was great, but that's not enough to make it better than the other books.

>> No.18417057

the author is dead, people!

>> No.18417181

>>18417057
Dosto has been dead for a century, yeah

>> No.18417265

>>18414520
it's dostoevsky's "filler". his beginnings are the most mind numbing but once he is finished with introductions the writing flows through you and you finish it in a day

>> No.18417273

>>18414557
what do you expect? /lit/ has the biggest number of secondaries in any hobby. people don't want to read but want to larp like many such cases for 1984