/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.18395669]

The Masked Stranger Edition
Previous Thread: >>18385734

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Never going to be created.

[Anonymous No.18395685]

>>18395669
Why did you make the thread early?

[Anonymous No.18395697]

>>18395669
BASED western fantasy traditional art. Animetrannies BTFO’d eternally.

Actually pretty sure there’s only one (1) hyperautistic animetranny who’s been ruining /sffg/ with his sperg poison for weeks. May he rot in the lowest of Hells.

[Anonymous No.18395707]

>>18395697
watch him make a new anime thread and everybody go to that one and let this one die lmao

[Anonymous No.18395725]

>>18395707
I will not let this rabble of crossdressing oriental fetishists break down the walls of our ancient and noble thread.

[Anonymous No.18395780]

>>18395669
Based western art poster.

[Anonymous No.18395821]

Horror: 100 Best Books - Stephen Jones & Kim Newman (1988)
[c. 1592] CHRISTOPHER MARLOWE - The Tragical History of Dr. Faustus
[1606] WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE - The Tragedy of Macbeth
[1612] JOHN WEBSTER - The White Devil
[1794] WILLIAM GODWIN - Things As They Are; or: The Adventures of Caleb Williams
[1796] MATTHEW GREGORY LEWIS - The Monk: A Romance
[1814-16] E. T. A. HOFFMANN - The Best Tales of Hoffmann
[1817] JANE AUSTEN - Northanger Abbey
[1818] MARY WOLLSTONECRAFT SHELLEY - Frankenstein: or, The Modern Prometheus
[1820] CHARLES MATURIN - Melmoth the Wanderer
[1824] JAMES HOGG - The Private Memoirs And Confessions Of A Justified Sinner
[1833-47] EDGAR ALLAN POE - Tales of Mystery and Imagination
[1837, expanded 1842] NATHANIEL HAWTHORNE - Twice-Told Tales
[1842] JEREMIAS GOTTHELF - The Black Spider
[1844-5] EUGENE SUE - The Wandering Jew
[1857] HERMAN MELVILLE - The Confidence Man: His Masquerade
[1864] J. SHERIDAN LE FANU - Uncle Silas: A Tale of Bertram-Haugh
[1886] ROBERT LOUIS STEVENSON - The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
[1887] H. RIDER HAGGARD - She
[1895] ROBERT W. CHAMBERS - The King in Yellow
[1896] H. G. WELLS - The Island of Dr. Moreau
[1897] BRAM STOKER - Dracula
[1898] HENRY JAMES - The Turn of the Screw
[1902] JOSEPH CONRAD - Heart of Darkness
[1903] BRAM STOKER - The Jewel of Seven Stars
[1904] M. R. JAMES - Ghost Stories of an Antiquary
[1906] ARTHUR MACHEN - The House of Souls
[1908] ALGERNON BLACKWOOD - John Silence, Physician Extraordinary
[1908] G. K. CHESTERTON - The Man Who Was Thursday: A Nightmare
[1908] WILLIAM HOPE HODGSON - The House on the Borderland
[1909] AMBROSE BIERCE - The Collected Works of Ambrose Bierce
[1911] OLIVER ONIONS - Widdershins
[1912-34] E. F. BENSON - The Horror Horn: The Best Horror Stories of E. F. Benson
[1920] DAVID LINDSAY - A Voyage to Arcturus
[1925] FRANZ KAFKA - The Trial
[1927] JAMES BRANCH CABELL - Something About Eve
[1929] E. H. VISIAK - Medusa
[1933] GUY ENDORE - The Werewolf of Paris
[1933] MARJORIE BOWEN - The Last Bouquet: Some Twilight Tales
[1934] ALEXANDER LAING - The Cadaver of Gideon Wyck
[1937] SIR HUGH WALPOLE (Editor) - A Second Century of Creepy Stories
[1939] DALTON TRUMBO - Johnny Got His Gun
[1939] H. P. LOVECRAFT - The Outsider and Others
[1942] CLARK ASHTON SMITH - Out of Space and Time
[1943] FRITZ LEIBER - Conjure Wife
[1945] CORNELL WOOLRICH - Night Has a Thousand Eyes
[1945] H. P. LOVECRAFT AND AUGUST DERLETH - The Lurker at the Threshold
[1946] PAUL BAILEY - Deliver Me From Eva
[1946] BORIS KARLOFF (Editor) - And the Darkness Falls
[1947] AUGUST DERLETH (Editor) - The Sleeping and the Dead
[1949] WALTER VAN TILBURG CLARK - Track of the Cat

[Anonymous No.18395823]

[1952] SARBAN - The Sound of His Horn
[1954] WILLIAM GOLDING - Lord of the Flies
[1954] RICHARD MATHESON - I am Legend
[1955] RAY BRADBURY - The October Country
[1958] JOSEPH PAYNE BRENNAN - Nine Horrors and a Dream
[1959] ROBERT BLOCH - Psycho
[1959] NIGEL KNEALE - Quatermass and the Pit
[1959] H. P. LOVECRAFT - Cry Horror!
[1959] SHIRLEY JACKSON - The Haunting of Hill House
[1964] PHILIP K. DICK - The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch
[1965] JERZY KOSINSKI - The Painted Bird
[1966] J. G. BALLARD - The Crystal World
[1968] ROBERT AICKMAN - Sub Rosa
[1969] KINGSLEY AMIS - The Green Man
[1969] ANTHONY BOUCHER - The Compleat Werewolf, and Other Stories of Fantasy and SF
[1971] JOHN GARDNER - Grendel
[1971] WILLIAM PETER BLATTY - The Exorcist
[1972] JOHN BRUNNER - The Sheep Look Up
[1973] MANLY WADE WELLMAN - Worse Things Waiting
[1973] ROBERT MARASCO - Burnt Offerings
[1975] STEPHEN KING - 'Salem's Lot
[1975] HARLAN ELLISON - Deathbird Stories
[1977] HUGH B. CAVE - Murgunstrumm and Others
[1977] BERNARD TAYLOR - Sweetheart, Sweetheart
[1977] JOHN FARRIS - All Heads Turn When the Hunt Goes By
[1977] STEPHEN KING - The Shining
[1978] WILLIAM HJORTSBERG - Falling Angel
[1978] WHITLEY STRIEBER - The Wolfen
[1979] DAVID MORRELL - The Totem
[1979] PETER STRAUB - Ghost Story
[1980] JONATHAN CARROLL - The Land of Laughs
[1980] RICHARD LAYMON - The Cellar
[1981] THOMAS HARRIS - Red Dragon
[1981] F. PAUL WILSON - The Keep
[1982] DENNIS ETCHISON - The Dark Country
[1983] KARL EDWARD WAGNER - In a Lonely Place
[1983] TIM POWERS - The Anubis Gates
[1983] ROBERT IRWIN - The Arabian Nightmare
[1984] IAIN BANKS - The Wasp Factory
[1984] T. E. D. KLEIN - The Ceremonies
[1984] ROBERT HOLDSTOCK - Mythago Wood
[1984] MICHAEL BISHOP - Who Made Stevie Crye?
[1985] DAN SIMMONS - Song of Kali
[1985] CLIVE BARKER - The Damnation Game
[1985] PETER ACKROYD - Hawksmoor
[1986] LISA TUTTLE - A Nest of Nightmares
[1986] CHARLES L. GRANT - The Pet
[1987] ROBERT McCAMMON - Swan Song
[1987] RAMSEY CAMPBELL - Dark Feasts

[Anonymous No.18395831]

>1988 included books from 1987
new bad bros.....

[Anonymous No.18395838]

>>18395831
It was the same from the previous list as well
>>18385813

[Anonymous No.18395840]

Whatever happened to the skin spy that was impersonating Simas? The one that Maithanet unmasked at the end of The Warrior Prophet, that supposedly had a soul and was one of the few. It seems that it never showed up again, even though it seemed it would have huge implications for the plot. Bakkerbros??

[Anonymous No.18395851]

>>18395840
whoa aha someone left the cuckshed open, we'll just have to lock your little cock up as well won't we now

[Anonymous No.18395874]

>>18395821
>>18395823
This time i have read eight of them, although what the fuck is The Man Who Was Thursday doing on a horror list?

[Anonymous No.18395875]

>>18395851
>reducing the vast scope and complexity bakker’s masterwork to cuckoldry because he’s too squeamish, low IQ, and/or autistic to engage with its expansive and challenging themes and narrative
go back to the infantile comforts of your manga, pleb.

[Anonymous No.18395897]

>>18395874
Why the fuck is Macbeth on there?

[Anonymous No.18395913]

>>18395669
Fuck your guys. I liked the anime.

[Anonymous No.18395918]

>>18395897
I think there's a better argument there. Witches making spooky prophecies, murdering a man, and then being haunted by his ghost, your wife driven insane by the act. It's a strong predecessor to a lot of modern horror

[Anonymous No.18396054]

>>18395913
>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.18396060]

>>18395669
Discord: https://discord.com/invite/KWPCM7m
Book Club Read: Chasm City by Alastair Reynolds, starting tomorrow
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/89185.Chasm_City

> The once-utopian Chasm City -a doomed human settlement on an otherwise inhospitable planet- has been overrun by a virus known as the Melding Plague, capable of infecting any body, organic or computerized. Now, with the entire city corrupted -from the people to the very buildings they inhabit- only the most wretched sort of existence remains. For security operative Tanner Mirabel, it is the landscape of nightmares through which he searches for a low-life postmortal killer. But the stakes are raised when his search brings him face to face with a centuries-old atrocity that history would rather forget

[Anonymous No.18396061]

>>18396054
Asian novels belong in /sffg/ stop being reductive.

[Anonymous No.18396113]

>>18396060
>discord
Never. No one would.

[Anonymous No.18396119]

>>18395669
Nice! welcome back regular /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.18396255]

Sex...

[Anonymous No.18396269]

>>18396060
Chasm City is great

[Anonymous No.18396277]

Can anyone give me some recommendations? I especially want to read some shit about cool ass wizards, the more bizarre the better.
Some fantasy I liked:
>the wolfster
>fritz leiber
>jack vance
>john crowley

[Anonymous No.18396292]

>>18396255
>Sex...
>Meat...
>What else matters?

[Anonymous No.18396305]

>>18396292
And to think that the march to Caraskand was bad...

[Anonymous No.18396382]

>>18396277
Clark Ashton Smith, Lord Dunsany, Worm Ouroboros.

[Anonymous No.18396404]

I read this and it wasn't perfect (some of the character interactions were rather cringe) but it's good and I recommend it. Although it was kind of funny that the author implicitly has everybody using 2005 cell phone tech for decades.

tl;dr in the Near Future, the stars go out. Experimentation indicates that the Earth is now surrounded by a barrier within which time moves very, very slowly; about a hundred million years pass in the external universe for each subjective year on Earth.

[Anonymous No.18396420]

>>18395874
>>18395918
The embarrassment that comes with living in the genre fiction ghetto. It's also why we have these threads instead of discussing sci-fi and fantasy on /lit/

[Anonymous No.18396448]

>>18395669

[Anonymous No.18396703]

>>18395685
Based anime prevention OP.

[Anonymous No.18396717]

>>18396420
I honestly don't care most of the time, it's only annoying whenever I realize that the fantasy book I'm looking for is in the fiction section because apparently it's too good to be stuck with riff raff like Le Guin and must instead be placed alongside such esteemed authors as Nicholas Sparks

[Anonymous No.18396755]

>>18396420
cringe

[Anonymous No.18397010]

>>18395780
>shroom-head skull dude standing in poppies
kekno

[Anonymous No.18397166]

anyone trekking through Malazan atm? I'm on Reaper's Gale, the worldbuilding and the interactions between all the races has been pretty incredible so far

[Anonymous No.18397375]

>>18395851
>Blonde haired, blue eyed gigachad cucks swarthy, short, and fat black man
>Bad
Post skin lmao

[Anonymous No.18397588]

>>18397166
Enjoy, anon, Malazan is one of the greatest series I've had the pleasure of reading.

[Anonymous No.18397660]

>>18397375
You will never be white

[Anonymous No.18397702]

who knew book piracy and conversion can be such a pain in the ass...

[Anonymous No.18397719]

>>18397702
That's why I just gave up and got a Kindle.

[Anonymous No.18397764]

finished three body problem. the info dump ending soured me a little and wang was pretty bland. 3/5 maybe 3.5

ye wenjie is a cunt

[Anonymous No.18397791]

>>18395685
Cuckold nervousness

[Anonymous No.18397804]

>>18397702
>>18397719
Zoomers are so computer illiterate that anything more than a button push seems SO difficult!

[Anonymous No.18397851]

>>18397804
Lol, I'm in my 30s. I can do it and I did it for a while. But I work full-time now and the last thing I want to do when I get home is fuck around with this kind of bullshit anymore. And I have enough money to buy whatever books I want. I could just as well wipe my ass with it. Try someone else.

[Anonymous No.18397870]

>>18397851
Downloading a book and putting it on your Kindle using Calibre takes 5 min tops. Unless you want to buy them to support the author or whatever (I have nothing against that) the time excuse is dumb.

[Anonymous No.18397905]

>>18397870
you can just get your device address and email the book to it. takes 30 seconds

[Anonymous No.18397960]

>>18397702
Finally finished organizing my books
christ

[Anonymous No.18398056]

>>18395669

[Anonymous No.18398068]

[Anonymous No.18398097]

Are there any fiction books without a strong and independent woman who can take on any man?

[Anonymous No.18398109]

>>18398097
That's something that could only exist within fiction so I have to assume there are at least a few.

[Anonymous No.18398164]

What are some books
with Male MCs

[Anonymous No.18398245]

>>18396382
Looks good, thanks anon. I read Ouroboros already, it was nice.

[Anonymous No.18398320]

>>18395669
>Bast visibly relaxed, settling back into his chair. “I know you’re not, Reshi. But I wouldn’t trust half these people to piss leeward without help.” He looked thoughtful for a moment. “I can’t imagine why there was only one.”
>“Maybe they died coming over the mountains,” Kote suggested. “All but this one.”
>“It’s possible,” Bast admitted reluctantly.
>“Maybe it was that storm from a couple days back,” Kote pointed out. “A real wagon-tipper, as we used to say back in the troupe. All the wind and rain might have scattered one loose from the pack.”
oh my fucking god dude, just use 'said'; there is literally nothing wrong with using 'said' why the fuck does he write like this. It's not just Rothfuss either, you see this kind of shit in all sorts of modern fantasy, its like these people don't read books from outside the genre, huh

[Anonymous No.18398569]

>>18395669
Guess I'll ask here: does anybody knows of novels similar to the movie (not the original book) men who stare at goats? What I'm looking for is more stuff where the US army dabbles in New Age bullshit and/or weird projects like MKULTRA or the Stargate Project to create psychic soldiers

[Anonymous No.18398590]

>>18398569
To some extend Matt ruff - bad monkeys

[Anonymous No.18398617]

>>18398590
I'll check it out, thanks

[Anonymous No.18398717]

>>18398320
Did you seriously just get filtered by the word "suggested"?

[Anonymous No.18398730]

>>18398320
Because they're having a debate of sorts on how the thing came to the village. If it was just used 'said' you could easily come to the wrong conclusion that their argument was more confrontational that it was since you wouldn’t know the tone of the words, just that they’re saying them.

The 'suggest' 'pointed out' and 'admitted reluctantly' are all really soft sounding, and makes it read like two friends trying to get to the bottom of something.

I hate Rothfuss but he knows how to put words on paper. Just the stuff he writes about that is normally shitty.

[Anonymous No.18398740]

>>18398320
Reminder.

[Anonymous No.18398773]

>>18397905
This is a bad idea long term due to lack of organization.

[Anonymous No.18398847]

Give it to me straight, Bakker: I know you’re reading this. Are the Progenitors us?

[Anonymous No.18398959]

>>18398097
Wow, the "society is collapsing" posters visit /sffg/ too?!
You can tell this anon doesn't read, because there are a ton of books without strong fighting women. The fact that he doesn't know this truly displays his ignorance.
And his picture is horribly outdated. Hunger Games? Really? Is this 2013 tumblr?
And also street walkers? HUH?! With OnlyFans around, this fucking out of touch boomer thinks girls are going to go back to streetwalking?!

[Anonymous No.18399077]

>>18397905
>intentionally incriminating yourself
lol

[Anonymous No.18399104]

I'm back again with a few notes about the Tawnyman audiobook.
Like I said in a previous post, I liked how the fools voice was very ambiguous. High Pitched, but not girlish. So you couldn't really pin down his gender. Robin Hobb keeps playing with the reader, cleverly disguising his gender and going back and forth from masculine to feminine. However, by the end of the third book, certain events lead me to believe the fool is indeed male. But even now I'm only about 90% certain. She still left a window open for change later.

Prince Dutiful's voice was pretty good in the first book, it was kind of high and haughty, and so it gave him this young noble sound. But as the series goes on, time passes and her grows to be about 15-16? Right around the time that his voice should be deepening. And Robin does make note of that in the text. In latter parts of the trilogy, she says that Dutiful put on a voice reminiscent of his father Verity. Verity was a broad man with a rich voice that could boom when he asserted himself. So when Dutiful puts on his full voice, you'd expect it to come out strong, yet it was read in the same high pitched voice he had at 13. That was kind of lame.

But that's the one flaw in James Langton's performance. Otherwise, he's great. The perfect guy for such a tale.The previous Fitz trilogy was performed by Paul Boehmer. Who had a sharper, younger sounding voice. Which was perfect for those books. Boehmer having that sound of an enthusiastic youth, befitting Fitz as he was as a kid. While Langton has a more relaxed tone that you would expect from an older man who has slowed down.

[Anonymous No.18399240]

>He stood at the edge of the hill and looked down, past the groves with the horses hobbled to the thin scabby trees mulling softly in the evening wind, and the small creeks and streams where fish the color of iron darted to and fro like illusions made from the evening daylight dancing on the water, and past the crooked fences and the mudbrick houses and the woven-grass roofs, out to the plains where the sky was grey foretelling the coming of a summer storm and the tall yellow grasses thrashed and hissed in the wind, a wind that had been carried down out of the mountains that seemed to ring the edge of the world, a last barrier between the earth that is and the chaos it had been brought forth from. Then he was looking over the edge of some stone precipice down into darkness, some ancient and abandoned watchplace. He was alone and yet not alone, he felt it in the soles of his feet and the pit of his stomach; he trembled and became afraid, he tried to shut his eyes but the darkness of the inside of his own head scared him more than the darkness of that place and he stared tearfully down into that vastness, strangely compelled; he felt a pull, a draw, an immense and terrible presence that seemed to swallow his entire existence up into itself. Then he was falling, out of the vast, cold, hard darkness into a deeper, warmer, closer darkness, and now he was not falling but floating, sinking slowly; he felt a great urge to sleep, to close his tearful eyes and let the warmth and the dark take him; 'No more pain,' something whispered gently, 'No more; let me take it away, be at peace.' And he knew no more.

[Anonymous No.18399315]

Blood spotted his privates; his rapists had either been virgins or on their menses. Blood had clotted on his face and nose, had pooled in his eyes, and gis ears.
Drug vials littered the grave with him, paper lables proclaiming EVERLAST. A crib drug, meant to keep the men passive, willing and able.

[Anonymous No.18399325]

>>18399240
>>18399315
there have been several anons here proclaiming how they're going to 'write the next big thing' but if you niggers keep writing shit like this nobody is going to read it

[Anonymous No.18399361]

>>18399325
it's fantasy, fucking speculative literature
the worst of shites can become the next greatest hit

[Anonymous No.18399365]

>>18399325
I never wrote that
It's a quote from Brother's Price. By a woman.

[Anonymous No.18399433]

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck Delays

[Anonymous No.18399459]

Does including rape scenes make your novel less likely to be published?

[Anonymous No.18399473]

>>18398245
No problem! I really think you'll like C.A.S. seeing as you already read Jack Vance. Especially his Zothique stories. I wish there was more stuff like this with bloated red suns and narcotic forests. Some stories are about a never ending cycle of waking death, some feel like a great party that has gone on for too long. Enjoy!

[Anonymous No.18399489]

if it ain't got rape and sexual violence, it ain't worth reading
simple as

[Anonymous No.18399524]

>>18399325
The likes of Meyer and Sanderson already proved beyond any doubt there's zero correlation between quality and success.

[Anonymous No.18399598]

>>18399459
I've got one scene that involves amputation that I'm particularly concerned about given current sensibilities.

[Anonymous No.18399797]

>>18399240
>130 word sentence
What in the actual fuck.

[Anonymous No.18399830]

>>18399489
What are some books worth reading then
preferably with male MCs

[Anonymous No.18399838]

>>18399830
boku no pico

[Anonymous No.18399858]

>>18399838
>rides bike with spats

[Anonymous No.18399865]

Read Reverend Insanity to save your soul.

[Anonymous No.18399876]

>>18399865
sell me on it

[Anonymous No.18399905]

>>18399876
Psychological novel about a determined man that is reborn. By using his 500 years of experience dealing with humans, and knowledge of how the magic system of this world will develop, he sets out in search of eternal life. He is constantly opposed by those around him, yet he harbors an iron will that will not be broken. People may hate him, curse him, ridicule him, but nothing will face him on his quest for immortality. Love? Friendship? All that matters is his quest, and for that he is ruthless to others, but mostly to himself.

[Anonymous No.18399908]

>>18399905
any Out by the Roots?

[Anonymous No.18399913]

>>18399905
dropped

[Anonymous No.18399924]

>>18399908
He's not motivated by hatred for a clan or person. I don't think he's even able to feel such emotions. He does what is necessary, what will bring him the most benefits.

[Anonymous No.18399926]

>>18399905
This would only be interesting if it subverts immortality into something bad, which it would be. Playing something like that straight is silly.

[Anonymous No.18399937]

>>18399924
sounds chuuni as fuck lol

[Anonymous No.18399965]

>>18399926
>>18399937
Eh, each to their own tastes. I had a blast reading it, and you'd probably too if you give it a chance. The worldbuilding is fairly excellent and the portrayal of characters is also one of the big draws to this story.

[Anonymous No.18399968]

>>18399965
It's Chinese isn't it? How is the translation?

[Anonymous No.18399976]

>>18399968
There's two. One older and pretty crap. The newer is a joy to read. Same translator kept going through the entire work. Don't think this is some shitty Xianxia translation without any backing.

[Anonymous No.18400002]

>>18399976
All right, thanks. I'll look into once I run out of stuff to read.

[Anonymous No.18400039]

>>18399905
>he is ruthless to others, but mostly to himself.
Wrong, if only because first, he constantly mocks the community life and rules about how they're useless and whatnot yet he keeps trying to take advantage of them, if he's really ruthless to himself he would never be hypocritical. Secondly, if offered between a normal decision and an edgy one, he would almost always choose the edgy one even if there's not much benefit in it. Literally stop wanking on it my man.

[Anonymous No.18400134]

>>18399905
sounds retarded as fuck

[Anonymous No.18400141]

>>18399797
...did you go through and count how many words there are?

[Anonymous No.18400173]

>>18400141
>on lit
>doesn't have the word count script enabled
A normie fagget like you probably copies into word or something

[Anonymous No.18400181]

>>18399797
Never seen a long sentence before?

[Anonymous No.18400215]

>>18399240
>>18400181
oh now I get it, its just a cormac mccarthy wannabe

[Anonymous No.18400263]

>>18400215
Doesn't read like McCarthy. Not enough polysyndeton for one.

[Anonymous No.18400283]

>spend the last three months or so rereading everything LOTR related and playing through the witcher games trilogy in all of my free time
>finish both within a day of each other, post-escapism emptiness hits me like a truck
>say fuck it and keep going with something related, decide to reread the witcher books that I haven't read in over a decade, remember them being sorta alright
>not even halfway through and I realize that I really, really dislike them but force myself to finish anyways, fucking sunk-cost fallacy
>read all the stupid shit from the books again that I hated that I had forgotten by the time I played the games and realize they left a lot of that shit from the books out on purpose (probably why they ended up doing so well)
>tfw I'm now both mad that I kind of ruined the games for myself by reading that garbage series and the escapism emptiness is even worse than before

Thanks for reading my autistic blog, it's day 3 now and while I'm not butthurt about sapkowski being a faggot anymore the emptiness is still crushing my balls.

Thinking about reading wheel of time or malazan to distract myself, I know they both have big issues, if I hated the witcher books will I like either of these?

[Anonymous No.18400291]

>>18395840
Bakker is a nihilist edge lord who can actually write. The latter part is what makes you ignore the former, up to a point.

[Anonymous No.18400294]

>>18400263
its long-winded, over-written, and pretentious. So, yes, it does read like McCarthy.

[Anonymous No.18400308]

>>18400294
You can achieve that in a number of ways stylistically, which is what I'm referring to.

[Anonymous No.18400327]

>>18400308
>You can achieve that
by 'that' you mean
>long-winded, over-written, and pretentious
Right? In that case, if you were saying that >>18399240 is long-winded, over-written, and pretentious, I would agree with you. This is what I mean when I say that if you write like that, nobody wants to read it. People read fantasy for the setting, plot and characters; nobody wants to read your Cormac McCarthy impressions, but most of the wannabe writers here in /sffg/ don't understand that; for fuck's sake, they think Bakker is a good writer.

[Anonymous No.18400329]

About the books the "Wheel of Time" I was told the main character has an abusive relationship with a woman.
Is this true?

[Anonymous No.18400335]

How do you guys find books that interest you?
Do you just keep an eye on authors of books you've enjoyed in the past, or is there some kind of secret website that recommends you books to read.
Anyway, I want to read something but I don't know what.

[Anonymous No.18400365]

>>18400335
i look at reddit threads after searching with my terms on google.
havent found a website that lets you choose catagories for books.

[Anonymous No.18400378]

>>18400327
I wasn't attempting to defend >>18399240. I do think the McCarthy passage that I posted is well-written, though. It's not styled that way for self-indulgence but to create a certain effect on the reader, like an avalanche of words raining down and overwhelming you like the cavalry charge it describes. But yes I think it's a bad idea for most people to attempt writing in that manner. If you aren't talented it's too easy to come off as a pretentious imitator.

[Anonymous No.18400385]

>>18400365
what do you mean reddit threads?
you mean those threads that go "what are some books that..."

[Anonymous No.18400392]

>>18400378
>. I do think the McCarthy passage that I posted is well-written
Retard.

[Anonymous No.18400395]

>>18400335
You just gotta dig through the shit pile my dude

[Anonymous No.18400397]

>>18400395
well, that's the thing
I don't even know where the pile is

[Anonymous No.18400400]

>>18400392
Do you think a writer should never take stylistic liberties such as that?

[Anonymous No.18400401]

>>18400329
Pretty much all relationships that include women in that series are abusive, both towards men and other women.

[Anonymous No.18400410]

>>18400335
I pick a sub genre or topic to explore and just work through all the best known stuff. I'd say about ten percent of what i read is actually any good

[Anonymous No.18400412]

>>18400385
yeah. its been the best way so far to find books with whatever subject im looking to find.

[Anonymous No.18400413]

>>18400397
Have you considered looking at one of the many, many rec charts in the op?

[Anonymous No.18400476]

>>18400335
I do this too >>18400410 as well as looking up the inspirations to the authors I already enjoy. A lot of authors and writers like to talk about the folks that inspired them.

[Anonymous No.18400491]

>>18400329
Abusive no, but they are very turbulent.

[Anonymous No.18400498]

>>18400401
>>18400491
Thank you. I'll try it since that's what I was looking for but it's not very easy to find.

[Anonymous No.18400510]

>>18400491
What are some books where the characters actually has an abusive relationship with a woman?

[Anonymous No.18400554]

Finished Six of Crows and the sequel.
Fuck those shitty YA romances, but at least the traitor kicked the bucked at the end.

[Anonymous No.18400555]

>>18400141
Copy past into word document I always have open actually. It tells you the number. Still retarded but less brain damaged imo

[Anonymous No.18400565]

>>18400283
>Thinking about reading wheel of time or malazan to distract myself, I know they both have big issues, if I hated the witcher books will I like either of these?
Depends on what you hated about them.

[Anonymous No.18400618]

>>18400510
really cant think of any.
ive heard it is in the Dark Elf Trilogy of Forgotten Realms but I haven't read it so can't say if it's actually an important part of the book.

[Anonymous No.18400626]

>>18400283
read elantris

[Anonymous No.18400695]

>>18400510
Thomas Covenant is about a rapist. Terry Goodkind has a reputation for being pure fetish fuel.

[Anonymous No.18400702]

>>18400695
>still reading authors with the name Terry

[Anonymous No.18400740]

>>18400695
I can't find a book or series named that by goodkind.
wrong author or wrong book?

[Anonymous No.18400749]

>>18400740
The Thomas Covenant books are by Stephen Donaldson; Terry Goodkind wrote a different series (first book in the series is called Wizard's First Rule I think?) that is known for being fetish bait

[Anonymous No.18400791]

>>18400749
cheers mate
>>18400695
>Thomas Covenant is about a rapist.
He meant the character is abused by a woman.

[Anonymous No.18400794]

>>18400565
Unlikable characters, the author seemingly not having outlined the plot and going offrails halfway through, severe pacing issues at times and a garbage ass ending that reads like the author either got sick of the world or got forced to end it by the publisher.

>>18400626
I thought Sanderson is a living meme? Never read anything from the guy so maybe I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.18400799]

>>18400794
idk what u mean but elantris is fun and short and standalone

[Anonymous No.18400823]

>>18400791
>He meant the character is abused by a woman.
Then The Wheel of Time would be the best thing I think.

[Anonymous No.18400851]

>>18400695
>Terry Goodkind has a reputation for being pure fetish fuel
What kind of fetish?

[Anonymous No.18400905]

I just found this series stacked away in a box in my parents place, read them as a kid and liked them, but then again I was a kid.

Has anyone here read them? How shit are they?
One of the things I remember about them that stands out is that all elfs in the setting get constantly BTFO.

[Anonymous No.18400912]

>>18400905
/tg/ required reading

[Anonymous No.18400922]

>>18400794
WoT has a pretty tight story for the first several books, and even when it veers off its always very clear the author knows where he is going. The characters are very likeable and its a pretty comfy setting/story. It has a good ending.

Robert Jorden is like a less shit Sanderson. His prose is better, and all the worldbuilding/magic system autism is there too, but you can tell he can actually 'into' people in a way Sanderson can't. idk what stuff you like though.

[Anonymous No.18400950]

>>18400905
Melted cheese/10

[Anonymous No.18400953]

>>18400922
I've heard multiple times that most of the female characters in WoT are irritating at best.

[Anonymous No.18400954]

https://zerohplovecraft.wordpress.com/2018/05/11/the-gig-economy-2/

Just finished this. It's much better than what I expected from a NRX twitter e-celeb, even though it feels a bit too much like ripping off Borges - in both theme, imagery, and style - at times.

Is it worth reading his other shitposts? Anyone else read this already?

[Anonymous No.18401033]

>>18400851
Sword of Truth has explicit hard-SM themes, and extreme domination (one way or the other) in general.
Even in the first book, the Confessors essentially wipe the minds of their victims in a blank state. It's not *really* fetishy, but when you compare it to the rest it's questionable.

The bad guy's right-hand women in the first book are Dominatrixes who spend a big part of the book torturing and breaking the protag until he frees himself. He somehow falls for his torturer and there's a scene in which he weeps for her after he learns she (and all her sisters) were raped to do the job.

This order of torturers is not dissolved when the protag becomes King by the end of book one. Rather, he makes them their own agents and they are still dominatrixes with a whip to inflict pain on command.

By book 4 (maybe later) one of the main side-protagonists is another Dominatrix from another evil Empire who sleeps, tortures, and then kills the enemies of the protag.

In every single scene the bad guy appears, he's raping or killing (or both) a female underling. It's almost comical how consistent it is. There are a lot of nominally different bad guys but they all share the same moral traits (and propensity to rape people).

In one book the main female protag goes to battle naked and covered in white paint with barely legal boys fighting alongside them. Said boys also murdered, in cold blood, all their comrades who refused to follow the protag's crazy plan a few chapters before. With no foreshadowing you learn that those "traitors" were planning to rape her instead of following her naked to battle.

In book 4 or something, the evil sorceress summon a devil and get their orders from him then one of them get raped. The author gives a suspicious amount of details on the Demon's furry barbed 10 inches long dick.

Memory is fuzzy because I read them literally 10 years ago but that's what I remember from it

[Anonymous No.18401069]

>>18401033
Oh and I forgot, one of the bad guys wipes the mind of a noble lady who then tries to trick the protag into sleeping with her to weaken him.
The episode is especially strange because in this case, the erasing of the mind of the lady is depicted as bad, cruel, and evil, even though erasing the minds of people is what the Confessor (which is the protag's wife) does on a regular basis.
IIRC, once the charm is dispelled he doesn't try to save the charmed lady or express sadness, concern, or regret over her fate. He just kills her. She amounted to basically nothing in the story except try to sleep with the protagonist.

[Anonymous No.18401070]

>>18400953
They are. But some are endearingly irritating. Its somewhat of a fixture of the setting given men can't do magic without going insane, and as such women hold most real power. Its very much a 'men are from mars women are from venus' kinda deal, but it involves a lot of the MC male characters turning a woman dominated society on its head too.

[Anonymous No.18401103]

>>18401033
What's the deal with with that shit anyways. How did being so obsessed with your fetishes that it bleeds into your writing become so widespread among fantasy authors?
Like that shit goes back to the early 90's if not further.

Maybe it's just a sign of the times that tolkien had his faith color his writing while currently it seems to be required to have a dragon dildo up your ass at all times to write fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18401129]

>>18401103
There are only three formats that drive humans to write a thousand pages: the serial, fan fiction, and porn. Tolkien wrote fan fiction

[Anonymous No.18401190]

>>18401103
I think you're unfair to Fantasy/Sci-Fi authors. I don't remember reading anything overly fetishy in, say the Expanse, the Three Body Problem. I don't remember the names but there was also a few good Fantasy books I read recently that weren't as bad as Goodkind.

Tolkien and Goodkind had vastly different objectives, qualifications, and methods.

Tolkien is a British Academic with war experience who wrote THE modern exegesis on Beowulf and wanted to write the modern equivalent of this Anglo-Saxon tale. He devoted his entire life to this. His objective was clear, hard, and from the start it was something unique that would necessarily end up being interesting.

Goodkind is an Ayn Rand fanboy from the States who denies writing fantasy and whose series has nothing really unique nor pretended to. He writes for fun and money. The SM stuff in his books is his way to have fun and get a bigger page count.

I respect GRUM more than Goodkind because at least the fatass tried something original and unique.

>>18401129
This might be a hottake but I don't think there's anything wrong with sex in fantasy novels

[Anonymous No.18401427]

I just started the second part out of three of "A Canticle Of Leibowitz" and now I'm sad.

[Anonymous No.18401434]

>>18401427
*For

[Anonymous No.18401506]

>>18401190
3bp sequel dark forest has the protag hallucinate a girlfriend

[Anonymous No.18401938]

>>18396404
I just realized that it's the only cuck story I've ever read. It was kinda ok even still.

[Anonymous No.18401954]

>>18397804
converting is just a button push
Calibre converts automatically when sending the book to your kindle

[Anonymous No.18401977]

After reading Name of the Wind a couple weeks ago, I begun Wise Man's Fear. The books seem to have (at best) a mixed reputation on here, but I've enjoyed reading them. Enough so that I'd been on pace to finish Wise Man's Fear in only 4 or 5 days... then I got to the Adem. Fuck this shit. Every chapter is torture.

[Anonymous No.18402150]

>>18395669
What do I read next, Hyperion, fire upon the deep, or three body problem?

[Anonymous No.18402354]

>>18402150
A Fire Upon the Deep is really good, but the pacing's shit in the first third of the book.

[Anonymous No.18402388]

>>18397166
Just finished that one, waiting for toll the hounds to come in from the library. I’m mostly enjoying it

[Anonymous No.18402399]

>Deal with your own stupid planet, you idiot. Don't make me come over there and slap you around again.

[Anonymous No.18402408]

>>18402354
Is this the only novel featuring a sentient potted plant as a main character?

[Anonymous No.18402517]

>>18398320
I am back; I have found this book, which apparently is a good guide to the different types of writing styles, POVs, and narrative techniques employed by modern novelists ('modern' as in post-Flaubert); I am hoping that the answer to my question (–"Why do all modern fantasy writers write in the same kind of style?") will be somewhere in this book; I will report back in a couple hours with my findings.

[Anonymous No.18402632]

>>18399459
idk, but it makes it less fun to read. I don't care about the "realities of war" or the "evil of man" that much. I know people rape. You can gloss over it.

[Anonymous No.18402690]

>>18399926
>subverts immortality into something bad
Trite and predictable

[Anonymous No.18402743]

>>18397166
Finished Gardens of the Moon recently. So far it's been a fun ride. Also rigga my nigga

[Anonymous No.18402758]

>>18400335
In general its just gambling, hear about a book, see a book in a store, give it a quick look up online, split decision on whether to bring it home. I'm pretty easy to appease with fantasy books so I rarely find something I dislike which is nice, finding something I love is the hard part.

[Anonymous No.18402774]

Looking for something like The Illuminatus Trilogy, but written after the internet came about.

>>18395821
>House on the Borderland
Good Li-
>Derleth
Really nigger?

[Anonymous No.18402786]

>>18399905
Refuted by Bulwer-Lytton in Zanoni.

[Anonymous No.18402934]

>>18401977

[Anonymous No.18402938]

>>18402517
It's because they're hacks

[Anonymous No.18402950]

>>18400335
Look up my favorite books on GR, click on the top reviewers that liked them, see what those reviewers also liked

[Anonymous No.18402989]

>>18402938
how is it possible that every notable fantasy author from the last 20 years is a hack? I believe it, but damn, you'd think that someone would have come along by now

[Anonymous No.18402998]

Has anybody read pic related series? If so, thoughts, opinions, how does it hold up to other fantasy series?

[Anonymous No.18403001]

>buy kindle paperwhite
>power off promotion is always some garbage romance faggot novel written by women
>always rated 5 stars on amazon

[Anonymous No.18403005]

>>18400335
https://greatsfandf.com/Authors/master-list.php

[Anonymous No.18403015]

>>18402989
something something jews

[Anonymous No.18403022]

>>18402998
>won the hugo and nebula
You do the math lel

[Anonymous No.18403041]

>>18403022
Never read this shit, also never heard of it. I'm guessing it's some woke SJW pandering shit written by a black woman based on the name. Top reviews on Amazon probably shit on it for being woke with 1 star ratings, but the overall score is still at least 4 and a half with an ocean of 5 star ratings buried underneath all the anti woke top reviews.

[Anonymous No.18403066]

>>18403041
If an author uses their initials instead of their full name, you can be sure it's a woman 9 out of 10 times. They KNOW that people are aware of how shit female writing tends to be, especially when romance is involved.

[Anonymous No.18403097]

>>18403066
JRR Tolkien BTFO

>>18402998
It's pretty good, fantastic worldbuilding, very angry though. DESU all the anger should be relatable to a lot of anons here.

[Anonymous No.18403100]

>>18402998
I liked em. Very fun dying earth fantasy series, with good payoffs for the mysteries in books 1&2.

[Anonymous No.18403104]

>>18403097
>JRR Tolkien BTFO
Good take.

[Anonymous No.18403108]

>>18403022
>>18403041
Guess how I know you haven't read it.

[Anonymous No.18403116]

>>18402998
Pretty good. Interesting concepts. Fun magic with cool applications. The tone is rather bleak, which sells the whole post apocalyptic setting. So you don't feel "happy" reading the book. Rather, it's engaging for its mystery and danger and uncertainty.

That one anon who is always crying about prose probably wouldn't approve of the repetitive descriptors. It's kind of like Wheel of Time in that sense. How it frequently reuses gestures to convey a character's emotional state.

All considered though, it's worth a shot.

>>18403041
It's not woke SJW pandering. I'll be completely honest with you: There is some not subtle at all parallels between US race politics and the tension between magic users and non-magic users. But she doesn't use these parellels to nag the reader. It's just inspiration for worldbuilding. Just like how in Wheel of Time, male power users were considered dangerous, so they were hunted and controlled. You have a similar thing going on in this book.

Also, one of the characters is a tranny. But I swear to god, the character is actually fun. They're one of the best characters in the book. I'm just telling you for the sake of transparency. Don't let it deter you.

[Anonymous No.18403119]

>>18403108
Could it be this
>Never read this shit
retard

[Anonymous No.18403198]

>>18403001
>>power off promotion
You mean the ads? Just call the CS to remove that shit.

[Anonymous No.18403203]

>>18403119
>reading more than the first 2 words of a shitpost

[Anonymous No.18403207]

Revelation Space is kinda boring halfway through, what are good books with similar premises?

[Anonymous No.18403236]

>Yes, Akka...?

[Anonymous No.18403261]

>>18403207
The other books have more space monsters / battles, if that's what you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.18403289]

>>18402934
I was warned, but for 1,367 pages, it was smooth sailing.

Dammit.

[Anonymous No.18403364]

>>18403198
I don't give a shit. I'm looking at my powered down kindle right now and it's an ad for Chasing Shadows by Brittney Sahin.
>A hot friends-to-lovers Navy SEAL romantic suspense.
>5/5 stars (812 Reviews)

[Anonymous No.18403368]

>>18403289
>reading any book, let alone a genre novel, that's longer than ~300 pages
You have done this to yourself.

[Anonymous No.18403441]

>>18403368
Pages are meaningless. The last 5 books I've read have all been sub-250 pages, yet the actual word count has surpassed 200k at around 8.5k locations.

[Anonymous No.18403529]

>>18403261
Not really they don't.

[Anonymous No.18403543]

>>18403236
Sweet Seju

[Anonymous No.18403600]

>>18401938
I know right? He could have cut all that shit out and made it a good 50 pages shorter, maybe 100, but it was still fine.

On the other hand I have read the mother of all unadvertised cuck stories pic related so my perspective may be skewed.

[Anonymous No.18403700]

Tried that book "Brother's Price" that was recommended earlier.
Don't.
It's fine up until the 12th chapter where the plot becomes about the protagonists trying to cure his wife's std from her previous husband if that's okay with you then read on since it's the only really bad part of the book that made me stop reading completely.

[Anonymous No.18403831]

>>18399240
You are copying McCarthy too hard my man. The first half is breddy gud though.

[Anonymous No.18404042]

Redpill me on
>Thomas Covenant
>Memory, Sorrow and Thorn
>Second Apocalypse

[Anonymous No.18404161]

>>18404042
>whining about surprise isekai. also, rape
>yuge
>?

[Anonymous No.18404198]

>>18404042
Top one involves the character being mental so he rapes a girl because he tricked himself into thinking he was dreaming then the girls family refuses to punish him because they took a vow not to hurt people.

[Anonymous No.18404239]

>>18402632
>I don't care about the "realities of war" or the "evil of man" that much.
I'm only including it to be as edgy as possible, frankly.

[Anonymous No.18404283]

>>18395669
Thoughts on the cover of the new Book of the New Sun french integral ?

[Anonymous No.18404286]

>>18404283
They didn't even read the book since Severian's upper body is covered, this is shitty

[Anonymous No.18404322]

>>18404283
I agree, at least the old edition respected that

[Anonymous No.18404469]

>>18400794
Sans the ending, Wot has all that but x100.

[Anonymous No.18404500]

>>18404322
This one is fucking rad and fits with the story

>>18404283
This one looks like a nun with a sword. In fact, I bet some shitty graphic artist just took a stock image of a nun and made it into this

[Anonymous No.18404523]

>>18395669
I got this pic as a poster on my wall, always thought it was cool. Gives me some kind of weird Arthurian feels for some reason.

[Anonymous No.18404800]

to the anon that said he bought a popsocket for his e-reader
thank you, you're a fucking genius

[Anonymous No.18404804]

>>18404239
Gay. I hope you don't get published.

[Anonymous No.18404831]

>>18399104
oh yeah, forgot to mention one thing.
James Langton goes all the way with Thick's retard voice. And it's great. I have to wonder if someone might find it offensive to hear that voice. Because he really goes full retard. It wasn't distracting after the first couple times he did it. But there is that uncomfortable moment where you're thinking "did they really publish this?"

[Anonymous No.18404836]

>>18404804
Edgy is good. I want to make something as cool as possible. I'm not writing "literary" fiction, lol.

[Anonymous No.18404845]

>>18404836
You better at least make it magical or something. Don't make it a basic rape scene.

[Anonymous No.18404866]

>>18404845
Of course. The man will use magic to remove the woman's arms and legs first so she'll be like a quad amputee.

[Anonymous No.18404872]

>>18404866
Lame. I've seen quad amputee rape before, and magic wasn't required to make it happen. You got to think of something that only magic is capable of.

[Anonymous No.18404876]

>>18404872
Magic is capable of doing it bloodlessly and painlessly. It's not going to be a guro scene.

[Anonymous No.18404887]

>>18404876
meh, that's something that can happen naturally over time. You put someone to sleep, surgically remove their limbs, wait for the areas to heal, and THEN rape them.

All your magic is doing, is allowing you to make the rape scene happen with expedience. Where's the creativity?

[Anonymous No.18404901]

>>18404887
>All your magic is doing, is allowing you to make the rape scene happen with expedience.
Basically, yes. Don't have the time for all of that other shit plot-wise and it's not something I'm interested in writing about.

[Anonymous No.18404908]

>>18404866
actually cringe

[Anonymous No.18404918]

>>18404901
See? And then when your book is rejected, you'll blame it on publishers, saying they're too sensitive and a bunch of SJWs. When in fact, your story is just not that creative.
Fucking Robin Hobb wrote a more interesting rape scene. And she did it without even labeling it rape.

[Anonymous No.18404978]

>>18404918
Time will tell.

[Anonymous No.18404979]

>>18404978
nah, history already told that tale

[Anonymous No.18404996]

>>18404918
Also I'm aware what your actual meaning is, you know? I'm only humoring you.

[Anonymous No.18405162]

>>18399797

[Anonymous No.18405172]

[Anonymous No.18405262]

Non humans-non quite humans yes or no?
Writing something and I don't know what to do

[Anonymous No.18405266]

>>18405262
.

[Anonymous No.18405268]

Lol. Why the fuck do you babies read SF/F?
Just start reading philosophy and history books. Stop being a child.

[Anonymous No.18405273]

>>18405268
what's the point of growing up
I'll stay here, thank you very much

[Anonymous No.18405308]

Is Redwall worth reading as an adult? to my knowledge its a childrens book but Ive never read it and Ive heard a lot of praise for it. I know its a big series so should I read the series or just the first book. Id like to buy a copy so I could also gift it to my young niece when Im done with it.

[Anonymous No.18405402]

>>18405268
Lol no. Am I supposed to be impressed by your picture of LARPing musicians?

[Anonymous No.18405495]

>>18405268
No.

[Anonymous No.18405550]

>>18405268
boyd and dougie are larping faggots (literally) who make terrible “music.”

rosie is the only cool one here. and she’s probably more into classic fantasy lit than many of the homos in this thread.

[Anonymous No.18405559]

>>18405550
I wonder what it smells like inside those pants...

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18405566]

>>18405550
<3<3<3

[Anonymous No.18405674]

>>18405268
dont wanna end up like (you)

[Anonymous No.18405814]

>>18401070
>>18400953
The female characters are universally hated and there's no reason for that beyond the author's bizarre ideas about how humans are. His wife must be an insane abusive cunt.

>>18400794
Wheel of time has great male characters, but there's entire books worth of dumb boring shit that goes nowhere, and every chapter that has a large female presence is annoying at best. If someone competent could edit it into a 6 book series, it could be amazing, but alas.

I couldn't stand Malazan, because the plot is made up as it goes along, so nothing really makes much sense and woe to him who looks beyond the surface level. Constant rewriting of characters and lore throughout. The characters seem fun at first, but they are cast out and replaced by identical clones again and again. It makes you feel that they were never real to begin with.

[Anonymous No.18405827]

>>18405814
The way you speak of Malazan feels so strange, I didn't experience any of that when I read it.

[Anonymous No.18406066]

>>18405827
Sell me on Malazan. A lot that I I read about it here seems bad but it looks intriguing.

[Anonymous No.18406212]

>>18403116
>It's not woke SJW pandering
>one of the characters is a tranny
>not subtle at all parallels between US race politics
>male-male-female relationship pirate paradise commune island
(these didn't feel organic to me, like it was part of an agenda, rather than the story)

Do you hear yourself? This books could be used as the definition of SJW pandering.
And I mean pandering, not preaching. It's not the the main subject of course, but the book panders. Who does it pander to? (It's not whomever the opposite of a SJW is, that's for sure)

It doesn't even portray characters raising above and overcoming these issues, rather it shows them lashing out in destruction against the people that (ranging from helplessly passively, ignorantly to actively ) abetted their oppression
Then goes on to justify this reaction, and why it had to be so. VERY topical..

The 1 time I try something new, and read a current book that won Hugo/Nebula... It's a fucking parody of my worst expectations.

[Anonymous No.18406217]

Why rape?
Why cuckoldry?
What happened to consensual, vanilla sex.

[Anonymous No.18406259]

>>18406217
Incels
Fetishists
Incels again

[Anonymous No.18406264]

>>18404042
>Thomas Covenant
The first/original trilogy is pretty good but pretty divisive. The "second chronicles" were meh. The "final chronicles" I haven't read but by all accounts are terrible.

>Memory, Sorrow and Thorn
Generic incredibly long fantasy story, which a lot of people like and want. Not for me but I get the appeal.

[Anonymous No.18406279]

>>18405308
The original Redwall book is worth checking out but the series on the whole is very formulaic.

[Anonymous No.18406351]

>>18405827
You probably didn't notice it. Everyone has different sensibilities, and I too got engrossed in the world, until the handling of alcoholism and child sexual abuse took me out of it.
I started to pay more attention to the structure of the thing, which is, he doesn't have one, it's a very loose collection of stories set in a world that wasn't planned out ahead. It can give the impression of a rich and complex tapestry, but to me it feels like he just writes random shit that comes to mind, which is actually what he did.
The characters are a different issue. He has his archetypes that he writes well, and which are fun to read, but as you progress through the books old beloved characters are pushed outside of the picture, and if they come back they're weird alien versions of themselves that you can't relate to anymore. Instead you get a new group of the same archetypes to like, except by the third or so time that happens it started to really grate on me. I started to confuse current characters with ones from previous books because they were the same person, except they had different names and were in a different place and time. It alienated me from the story completely and I stopped reading without learning how the series actually ends, which is very rare for me. I tried looking up wikis, but it was a bunch of nonsense that I couldn't understand, despite having read like 90% of the books, which goes back to my previous point of the author throwing random shit at the wall without having an idea of where to go with it.

[Anonymous No.18406359]

There is nothing wrong with Brandon Sanderson other than his mormon religion. His books are great, easy to read, and without any real faults I can think of. pretending not to like them just outs yourself as insecure, and actually NOT liking them outs yourself as a pseud.

[Anonymous No.18406360]

>>18406359
female POV

[Anonymous No.18406374]

>>18406359
I haven't read Stormlight Archive, because it's unfinished, and unlike Rothfuss and GRRM I believe Sanderson will eventually finish it, so there is a point in waiting to read it.

The books by him I did read were fine though. Far better than the YA trash that makes up 95% of the market.
I wasn't blow away, but I also wasn't bored or offended by how dumb and poorly written they are like I usually am when I gave some meme of the month a chance.

I'm confused why people here hate him that much. Did I just not read his terrible books, or is it mere contrarianism because he is so popular?

[Anonymous No.18406386]

>Sorweel relinquished his grip, but the greater hand clamped his wrist, forced his fingertips to trawl the length of the turgid horn, from root to summit. And he knew—understood with a philosopher’s profundity—that his will was unwelcome here, that he lay in the jaws of an appetite that had devoured his own. That he had been and would be ravished, as certainly as a daughter of a conquered race. “You are strong …” the ebony man said to the pale. That he would rise to, even celebrate, his repeated violation, as certainly as any temple whore. “And you are weak …” That shame would devour him whole.

[Anonymous No.18406389]

>>18406386
what compels a man...

[Anonymous No.18406392]

>>18406359
>pretending not to like them just outs yourself as insecure, and actually NOT liking them outs yourself as a pseud
top tier bait until this part, should have left this out if you wanted to actually bait people anon

[Anonymous No.18406404]

This actually ended up being decent by the end. I feel like the weakest aspect is the worldbuilding, though. I was never really able to fully buy into it. I suppose I'll continue the series.

[Anonymous No.18406406]

>>18406386
the cuckoldry is so deep...

[Anonymous No.18406416]

>>18406386
>And he knew—understood with a philosopher’s profundity
I've laughed with a lot of Bakker's quotes in a friendly way but this one actually kind of makes me think lesser of the writing. What kind of shallow analogy is this? It's just implying "philosopher = profound" which is like saying "he understood with a Scientist's intelligence" or something. It makes it sound like philosophy is mystical "deep" shit instead of simply an attitude for thinking and language.

[Anonymous No.18406421]

>>18406386
I proffered the earlier voyeur/incest scenes

[Anonymous No.18406428]

>>18406416
It means he understood that he is a cuck on an ontological level. That he did not simply become a cuck, but that to become a cuck was his telos. That by surrendering to cuckdom he was fulfilling the end of his existence.

[Anonymous No.18406430]

>>18406416
Profundity in this case is a double-entendre and should be understood in a physiological sense. It's the capacity of the philosopher (Bakker himself) to be penetrated and violated by the penis of another man, or to witness such penetration on his partner or wife and the subsequent pleasure thereof.

[Anonymous No.18406431]

this is the most high IQ general on /lit/

[Anonymous No.18406441]

>>18406386
people actually read this?

[Anonymous No.18406445]

The philosophical profundity of a potent penis.

[Anonymous No.18406449]

>>18406441
you just read it, anon

[Anonymous No.18406452]

>>18406416
He didn't have an editor for his last two books, and it shows. There's a bunch of cringe and purple prose that would probably have been cleaned up otherwise.
A good editor can turn good but flawed writing into something truly great.

[Anonymous No.18406453]

>>18406441
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.18406458]

>>18406452
but at that point, who's book am I reading

[Anonymous No.18406461]

>>18406458
Even people without editors have friends read their books and discuss their writing.

"Authentic" art doesn't mean you turn in the first draft and call it a day. Virtually all complex art is collaborative to some degree.

[Anonymous No.18406466]

>>18406453
As much as all the weird erotica aimed at women I guess, which is to say not really but it's still baffling there's an audience for it

[Anonymous No.18406470]

>>18406452
"Vile angel" and the cunny dragon probably wouldn't have made it through such a process.

[Anonymous No.18406474]

>>18406458
It's good to have someone help polish your writing. Not every idea you have is a good one, and sometimes it can be hard to tell the difference without an outside perspective.

[Anonymous No.18406478]

>>18406066
It's just a fantasy series, man. Like read it or don't, you're an adult.

[Anonymous No.18406483]

>>18406466
I don't think this is aimed at women.

[Anonymous No.18406485]

>>18406212
I bet you jerk off to revenge stories on the regular but now it's suddenly a problem because retard reasons about you being an overly easily triggered cuck.

[Anonymous No.18406487]

>>18406483
it's aimed at white american males in their 20s

[Anonymous No.18406490]

>>18406483
I know women who liked it. A surprising number of them will tolerate the whores in return for all the homosexual tension between men.

[Anonymous No.18406497]

>>18406478
>It's just a fantasy series, man.
That's actually the problem, given how much of an investment that entails. If you don't want to type something up you don't have any obligation to, but don't pretend there's any superiority in blindly picking up some massive series like this rather than trying to make an informed decision.

[Anonymous No.18406513]

>>18406497
I wasn't implying that, I just don't have any idea what you like so I don't know how to sell you on anything.
It's a big series in a big world with a big cast. Bad things happen but those who make it through those things become better people for it.
I don't know, I just like it. It has cyborg dinosaurs, maybe that's cool for you?

[Anonymous No.18406527]

>>18406485
I read the entire series, do you really think it troubles me so?

[Anonymous No.18406530]

After reading stormlight I can't get into any other fantasy

[Anonymous No.18406535]

>>18406513
>It has cyborg dinosaurs
That's all you had to say anon

[Anonymous No.18406614]

I read sci fi fantasy and philosophy, poetry
but can't stand literary fiction
wtf is this lads

[Anonymous No.18406631]

>>18406614
Same. I think most literary fiction is about normies and their experiences, and I just don't relate to that. And if you don't have a foot in the door already, you can't get meaningful recommendations.

[Anonymous No.18406643]

>>18406631
and everyone reommends the same shit that has been culturally thought of as being great
it's like asking someone for an anime and they give the same npc response like aot, tokyo ghoul, hunter x hunter and stuff
it's that the books are bad, ofcourse not
but it takes the curious nature away from it

[Anonymous No.18406682]

A Dance with Dragons turns 10 years old in one month. What will you do to celebrate?

[Anonymous No.18406944]

Terry Prachett is dead, lads.
What's your favourite Discworld?

[Anonymous No.18407066]

>>18407062

[Anonymous No.18407121]

>>18406944
Going Postal

[Anonymous No.18407199]

Has anyone read George MacDonald?
I'm thinking about whether to buy Phantases or not

[Anonymous No.18407648]

>>18404283
>the claw of the demigod
?

[Anonymous No.18407667]

What are the best 'comfy' fantasy books that feature settings like the shire?

[Anonymous No.18407708]

>>18406944
>Discworld
whatever one has femdom in it

[Anonymous No.18407741]

>>18407667
wasn't the whole point of the shire's comfiness to discard it in favor of adventure?

[Anonymous No.18407752]

>>18406374
/lit/ don't' like him cause he's successful is all. Any book with a wide appeal to normalfriends is generally considered bad. If it was actually quality, most wouldn't be able to comprehend it, is the reason.

[Anonymous No.18407758]

>>18407752
also no cuckold smut

[Anonymous No.18407774]

>>18407199
it's in the public domain, just legally download a copy on gutenberg or similar

[Anonymous No.18407815]

>>18406386
So this is the masterpiece Bakkerfaggots are always raving about?

[Anonymous No.18407968]

If I'd ever write a fantasybook I'd include a main character that marries his childhood sweetheart, has virginal sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation (while handholding), never has any relationship drama and then show them having half a dozen kids in the epilogue living happily ever after.

Such a depraved and deeply problematic depiction of a relationship would surely get me a lot free publicity from the resulting backlash.

[Anonymous No.18408040]

>>18407968
bro. the whole point of fantasy... that isnt the point.

[Anonymous No.18408052]

>>18407968
Samwise does this in the end of LOTR, doesn't he?

[Anonymous No.18408076]

>salt
>butchery
>partyrockin’

[Anonymous No.18408097]

>>18408040
True, fantasy isn't fantasy unless someone's getting cucked somewhere in the story

[Anonymous No.18408132]

>>18406470
>"Vile angel" and the cunny dragon probably wouldn't have made it through such a process.
Then an editor is an acceptable loss.

[Anonymous No.18408142]

>>18406527
Clearly.

[Anonymous No.18408147]

>>18406452
the last two books were the best in the series precisely due to their raw bakkerishness and the grandiose purple opacity of the prose. come on, if you don’t get chills down your spine from the ishterebinth sequence or the last chapter of TUC, something is wrong with the imagination and wonder modules in your brain.

[Anonymous No.18408151]

>>18408052
yeah. and frodo stays a virgin forever

[Anonymous No.18408152]

>>18407752
Yes, his writing is the definition of mediocre. It's just funny how upset his dumb fanboys get by the term, like it's some massive insult.

[Anonymous No.18408159]

>>18408147
cringe

[Anonymous No.18408205]

>“So am I saved? Or have I … have-have I … damned myself?”
>Anasûrimbor Kellhus shrugged. “I am no prophet.”

[Anonymous No.18408209]

>>18406527
>writes a massive whiny diatribe about imaginary esjaydubs boogeymen in his head
>I-I-I'm not b-bothered by these things at all!!
cringy rightoid shit for brains at it again

[Anonymous No.18408230]

>>18407708
That's still Going Postal.

[Anonymous No.18408235]

>>18406416
Shitty philosophers arent actually called philosphers though so the title implies some level of profundity.

[Anonymous No.18408239]

>>18408205
>Damned after all...

[Anonymous No.18408255]

>>18408239
>The madness of this troubled him not at all.

[Anonymous No.18408256]

NEW THREAD
>>18408254

[Anonymous No.18408264]

>>18408256
fuck

[Anonymous No.18408291]

>>18408205
not everyone can be saved

[Anonymous No.18408323]

NEW (REAL) THREAD
>>18408317
>>18408317
>>18408317
>>18408317

[Anonymous No.18408333]

>>18399905
>haha society is dumb
>infiltrates various societies to achieve his goals
dumb pretentious author

[Anonymous No.18408344]

>>18400329
Yes. At the end he body jacks someone else's body and runs away with everyone thinking he's dead

[Anonymous No.18408362]

>>18408256
This one.

[Anonymous No.18408365]

>>18404042
>Memory, Sorrow and Thorn
used goods princess

[Anonymous No.18408405]

>>18408256
>>18408323
You're both faggots, it's way too early for a new thread.

[Anonymous No.18408420]

>>18404322
This is sick, but ultimately Sev is more autistic than he is epic (as such depicted here)

[Anonymous No.18408642]

Anime retards DESPERATE for EVERY thread to have their shitty art. Bakkerfags fight autism with autism. Everyone else loses.

[Anonymous No.18408670]

>>18407199
I was bored most of the time but the chapter that's a retelling of a story in an Elven book was really good and made the whole thing worth it.

[Anonymous No.18408707]

>>18406682
meh, nothing. Always thought TWOW was better anyway, I'll save my celebrations for a few years when it turns 10.

[Anonymous No.18408713]

>>18408151
Galadriel pity-fucked him in Valinor

[Anonymous No.18408739]

>>18404283
Best art quality of the bunch.

[Anonymous No.18408772]

>>18408642
Rather have anime art in the OP.