/sffg/ - Science fiction and Fantasy general

[Anonymous No.18385734]

Down by the River Edition
Previous Thread:>>18377719

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[Anonymous No.18385741]

Sex Books

[Anonymous No.18385750]

FUCK WEB NOVELS
FUCK LIGHT NOVELS
FUCK VISUAL NOVELS
FUCK MANGA
AND FUCK WEEBS

[Anonymous No.18385755]

[Anonymous No.18385760]

This technology could be ours for the reading if the patent system didn't exist

[Anonymous No.18385763]

>>18385760
More like E-Chink.

[Anonymous No.18385781]

>>18385760
idk if I could read comfortably on a screen that is smaller than the already small screen that comes on most 6in e-readers desu

[Anonymous No.18385790]

"I'm a scientist"

[Anonymous No.18385800]

Modern Fantasy: The Hundred Best Novels, 1946-1987 - David Pringle (1988)
1. Titus Groan by Mervyn Peake (1946)
2. The Book of Ptath by A. E. van Vogt (1947)
3. The Well of the Unicorn by Fletcher Pratt (1948)
4. Darker Than You Think by Jack Williamson (1948)
5. Seven Days in New Crete by Robert Graves (1949)
6. Silverlock by John Myers Myers (1949)
7. The Castle of Iron by L. Sprague de Camp and Fletcher Pratt (1950)
8. Conan the Conqueror by Robert E. Howard (1950)
9. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C. S. Lewis (1950)
10. Gormenghast by Mervyn Peake (1950)
11. The Dying Earth by Jack Vance (1950)
12. The Sound of his Horn by Sarban (1952)
13. Conjure Wife by Fritz Leiber (1953)
14. The Sinful Ones by Fritz Leiber (1953)
15. The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson (1954)
16. The Lord of the Rings by J. R. R. Tolkien (1954-55)
17. Pincher Martin by William Golding (1956)
18. The Shrinking Man by Richard Matheson (1956)
19. Dandelion Wine by Ray Bradbury (1957)
20. The Once and Future King by T. H White (1958)
21. The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag by Robert A. Heinlein (1959)
22. The Haunting of Hill House by Shirley Jackson (1959)
23. Titus Alone by Mervyn Peake (1959)
24. A Fine and Private Place by Peter S. Beagle (1960)
25. Three Hearts and Three Lions by Poul Anderson(1961)
26. The Girl, the Gold Watch, and Everything by John D. MacDonald (1962)
27. Glory Road by Robert A. Heinlein (1963)
28. Witch World by Andre Norton (1963)
29. The Magus by John Fowles (1965)
30. Stormbringer by Michael Moorcock (1965)
31. The Crying of Lot 49 by Thomas Pynchon (1966)
32. Day of the Minotaur by Thomas Burnett Swann (1966)
33. The Eyes of the Overworld by Jack Vance (1966)
34. The Owl Service by Alan Garner (1967)
35. Rosemary's Baby by Ira Levin (1967)
36. The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien (1967)
37. Gog by Andrew Sinclair (1967)
38. The Last Unicorn by Peter S. Beagle (1968)
39. A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula K. Le Guin (1968)
40. The Swords of Lankhmar by Fritz Leiber (1968)
41. Black Easter and The Day After Judgment by James Blish (1968, 1971)
42. The Green Man by Kingsley Amis (1969)
43. The Phoenix and the Mirror by Avram Davidson (1969)
44. A Feast Unknown by Philip Jose Farmer (1969)
45. Fourth Mansions by R. A. Lafferty (1969)
46. Red Moon and Black Mountain by Joy Chant (1970)
47. Time and Again by Jack Finney (1970)
48. Grendel by John Gardner (1971)
49. Briefing for a Descent into Hell by Doris Lessing (1971)
50. Jack of Shadows by Roger Zelazny (1971)

[Anonymous No.18385802]

>>18385781
That's why we need to hybridize it with Korea's fold phone tech. E-ink smartphone that opens into a reasonably sized tablet, my dream tech

[Anonymous No.18385806]

>>18385750
BASED
BASED
BASED
BASED
BASED

[Anonymous No.18385813]

51. Watership Down by Richard Adams (1972)
52. The Infernal Desire Machines of Dr Hoffman by Angela Carter (1972)
53. Sweet Dreams by Michael Frayn (1973)
54. The Forgotten Beasts of Eld by Patricia A. McKillip (1974)
55. Salem's Lot by Stephen King (1975)
56. The Great Victorian Collection by Brian Moore (1975)
57. Grimus by Salman Rushdie (1975)
58. Peace by Gene Wolfe (1975)
59. The Malacia Tapestry by Brian Aldiss (1976)
60. The Dragon and the George by Gordon R. Dickson (1976)
61. Hotel de Dream by Emma Tennant (1976)
62. The Passion of New Eve by Angela Carter (1977)
63. The Chronicles of Thomas Convenant, the Unbeliever by Stephen R. Donaldson (1977)
64. The Shining by Stephen King (1977)
65. Fata Morgana by William Kotzwinkle (1977)
66. Our Lady of Darkness by Fritz Leiber (1977)
67. Gloriana by Michael Moorcock (1978)
68. The Unlimited Dream Company by J. G. Ballard (1979)
69. Sorcerer's Son by Phyllis Eisenstein (1979)
70. The Land of Laughs by Jonathan Carroll (1980)
71. The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas (1980)
72. A Storm of Wings by M. John Harrison (1980)
73. White Light by Rudy Rucker (1980)
74. Ariosto by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro (1980)
75. Cities of the Red Night by William S. Burroughs (1981)
76. Little, Big by John Crowley (1981)
77. Lanark by Alasdair Gray (1981)
78. The War Hound and the World's Pain by Michael Moorcock (1981)
79. Nifft the Lean by Michael Shea (1982)
80. Winter's Tale by Mark Helprin (1983)
81. Soul Eater by K. W. Jeter (1983)
82. Tea with the Black Dragon by R. A. MacAvoy (1983)
83. Cold Heaven by Brian Moore (1983)
84. The Anubis Gates by Tim Powers (1983)
85. Who Made Stevie Crye? by Michael Bishop (1984)
86. The Digging Leviathan by James P. Blaylock (1984)
87. Nights at the Circus by Angela Carter (1984)
88. The Businessman by Thomas M. Disch (1984)
89. Mythago Wood by Robert Holdstock (1984)
90. The Glamour by Christopher Priest (1984)
91. The Witches of Eastwick by John Updike (1984)
92. Hawksmoor by Peter Ackroyd (1985)
93. The Dream Years by Lisa Goldstein (1985)
94. The Fionavar Tapestry by Guy Gavriel Kay (1985-87)
95. The Bridge by Iain Banks (1986)
96. The Hungry Moon by Ramsey Campbell (1986)
97. Replay by Ken Grimwood (1986)
98. The Unconquered Country by Geoff Ryman (1986)
99. The Day of Creation by J. G. Ballard (1987)
100. Aegypt by John Crowley (1987)

[Anonymous No.18385827]

>>18385813
>>18385800
I have read three of these

[Anonymous No.18385833]

>>18385790
Nice, will that guy turn into an /sffg/ meme now?

[Anonymous No.18385834]

books with battle mages

[Anonymous No.18385843]

>>18385827
>dying earth
>lord of the rings
>earthsea

[Anonymous No.18385864]

>>18385833
no you're not going to be a meme
we're going to laugh at you today and forget about you tomorrow

[Anonymous No.18385870]

>>18385802
well, foldable E-readers are already a thing

[Anonymous No.18385880]

>>18385827
>>18385800
>>18385813
That's more than me, I've only read two. The book itself reviews each one, but I've only skimmed through it.

For those who are inattentive and unobservant, it's ordered by release date, not ranking of quality.

[Anonymous No.18385889]

>>18385870
>foldable E-readers
none that I'm aware of
I'm pretty sure the technology of foldable E-Ink is already there but no companies have sold a product with it implemented

[Anonymous No.18385902]

So I’m reading Hobb and her Elderlings series, just started series Three Fools Fate or whatever it’s called....

Bruh....

Fitz has a shit life but can talk about Kennit?

Literally raped to death....as a child....twice.... brought back by his living ship.....ship goes insane....becomes best bros with ship both suffering rape trauma....hacks his ship bros face to fucking prices bro.....

Then Fitz is like oh I die and get to be a cool ass wolf and all women want my dick... and we’re meant to feel bad for him?

Bro .... this is wack bro .... Malazan at least had Rake and Dragnipur like hey Hood get fucked ... brings Hood into his sword .... the army of the dead (Snyder cut) enters the sword.... bro and then the crippled god gets mogged hard man..... damn

[Anonymous No.18385903]

>>18385800
Modern fantasy? I mean is there any other kind?

[Anonymous No.18385908]

>>18385843
One out of three: Earthsea, Narnia, Once and Future King. I started Lord of the Rings, but frankly found Tolkien to be a dull writer

[Anonymous No.18385910]

>>18385903
Religion.

[Anonymous No.18385917]

>>18385734
I've been reading the witcher books since I really liked the games, and while I liked the last wish the main story seems like real trash.

I'm now at the part where Ciri is off with her band of retards killing and robbing random people and fucking that one girl, and I'm not sure what the actual fuck I'm reading.
I've heard people complaining about how the devs changed her character in the game but from what I've seen I'm thinking it was for the better desu.

Will this ever get back on track to something remotely similar to the games or the short stories or should I just drop it?

[Anonymous No.18385918]

>>18385903
Depends on your definition of fantasy, in which case it could go back 1000s of years.

[Anonymous No.18385923]

>>18385910
*tips*

[Anonymous No.18385926]

>>18385889
Because all the e-ink patents are held by one fucking company that refuses to do anything with them except sell overpriced hardware to corporations. You literally can't buy anything from them as a consumer, it's retarded

[Anonymous No.18385931]

>>18385908
>I started Lord of the Rings, but frankly found Tolkien to be a dull writer
How far did you get? The first volume of Fellowship of the Ring is extremely dull.

[Anonymous No.18385934]

>>18385926
Different anon here.
It sounds like you have a problem with private ownership. Without the patent system no one would invent anything.

[Anonymous No.18385941]

>>18385931
and after that, you become dull yourself and appreciate it!

[Anonymous No.18385947]

>>18385934
Ah yes, because nothing was invented in the world until the fifteenth century, and then only in Venice for the next hundred years

[Anonymous No.18385950]

>>18385918
Which book qualifies as fantasy pre-LOTR?

[Anonymous No.18385956]

>>18385931
It's been a while, but i believe i made it to the elven kingdom before giving up

[Anonymous No.18385962]

FUCK E WILLIAM BROWN
FUCK YOU
FUCK PAY WALLS
FUCK PAY PIGS
FUCK BLOGS
FUCK INCOMMUNICADO
FUCK DELAYS

[Anonymous No.18385969]

>>18385950
most of homer's stuff, the epic of gilgamesh come to mind

[Anonymous No.18385973]

Bros i tried reading Worm but i just can't get into it. For some reason if something has a female protag i can't continue reading it.

[Anonymous No.18385980]

>>18385969
For some reason I don't see them as fantasy, but it's an abstract kind of separation

[Anonymous No.18385982]

>>18385973
a book instantly starts straining my interest the moment it switches to a female POV

[Anonymous No.18385986]

>>18385833
I mean the shitalian who studies spic lit didn't turn into a meme and it was far more egregious imo

[Anonymous No.18385995]

>>18385982
>But when porn does it I am glued to the screen

[Anonymous No.18386003]

>>18385995
>brings up porn out of nowhere
fucking coomers

[Anonymous No.18386004]

>>18385995
>watching porn
disgusting. i only read it

[Anonymous No.18386007]

>>18385995
>female POV porn
wut. I only watch porn if it zooms on the men's asshole and balls

[Anonymous No.18386013]

>>18385995
>he thinks i watch porn with women
ohnononono

[Anonymous No.18386014]

>>18386007
Based
extra Based of you bust on the close up shot of the dude's face

[Anonymous No.18386019]

>>18386007
The next step is just straight up solo cocks ejaculating with full view of the dude's face.

[Anonymous No.18386031]

>full bakkerposting in effect

[Anonymous No.18386044]

>>18385973
>For some reason if something has a female protag i can't continue reading it.
Because you lack imagination and empathy?

[Anonymous No.18386053]

>>18386044
tran cope?

[Anonymous No.18386063]

>>18386044
nah i just don't care about anything where girls are the main characters

[Anonymous No.18386065]

>>18386031
aye aye cap'n, how much cuckoldry do you want with your epic fantasy?

[Anonymous No.18386066]

>>18386044
Dawn of the Guns was great until the sex scene.

[Anonymous No.18386078]

>>18386066
It probably didn't need a full scene, but it's fairly necessary for the conflict later on. Also, dyslexic post

[Anonymous No.18386090]

>>18386065
Every heterosexual relationship should include cuckoldry.

[Anonymous No.18386091]

>>18385995
that's the point anon
I don't need to read about girls talk about how sex hairy chests and giant muscles are

[Anonymous No.18386099]

>>18386078
>Also, dyslexic post
More like dickless post, Ma'am.

[Anonymous No.18386100]

>>18386090
>heterosexual relationship
no such thing on the bakkerboat

[Anonymous No.18386141]

>>18385917
>Will this ever get back on track to something remotely similar to the games or the short stories or should I just drop it?
It won't

[Anonymous No.18386144]

Who are the Dûnyain?

[Anonymous No.18386147]

>>18386091
what? you don't like staring down into the abyss that is the female psyche?

[Anonymous No.18386150]

>>18386144
Cuckolds.

[Anonymous No.18386159]

What is this fucking obsession with Cuckoldry in western authors

[Anonymous No.18386167]

>>18386144
Tell me, what do you see?

[Anonymous No.18386174]

>>18386159
what indeed

[Anonymous No.18386178]

>>18386091
Wow, if I've read this I would be terrified that Tchaikovsky is trying to make me gay. What is his end game?

[Anonymous No.18386183]

>>18386159
it's introspection
the thinking man's fetish

[Anonymous No.18386188]

>>18386183
introspect that dick lmao

[Anonymous No.18386222]

>>18386178
Rough anal sex at the next sci fi convention.

[Anonymous No.18386307]

>>18386141
Alright I dropped it and read up summaries of the last three books instead

>geralt becomes a secondary character in his own story, every likeable character dies also Ciri is now hanging out with King Arthur somehow

Guess I dodged a bullet there, what the absolute fuck.

[Anonymous No.18386312]

People that cannot be able to read a character just because it's female are no-joke retarded.
Like, actually on a spectrum. I get not reading about female things, cosmetics, bullshit like that. But being so fucking braindead as to not be able to bear character literally just being female? You should just keep reading your gay shit, as apparently only that pure, manly stuff can satisfy you.

[Anonymous No.18386325]

>>18386312
ok troon

[Anonymous No.18386347]

Fantasy novels with worlds that are knockoffs of ancient Japan instead of medieval Europe?

[Anonymous No.18386361]

>>18386347
Ship of Smoke and Steel is china ripoff. I can't think of any Japan off the top of my head

[Anonymous No.18386364]

>>18385917
> similar to the games or the short stories
as in what exactly ? Ciri is there to stay and get as much screentime as Geralt though it won't be always with the rats. In general the saga is sort of meandering as all the three characters get separated and do their own stuff and Geralt in particular feels somewhat wasted on his road quest. If you don't like it at BoF I don't think you'll further on.

[Anonymous No.18386392]

>>18386312
This. I don't read anything written by women or blacks, though. Black women? Fuggedaboutit.

[Anonymous No.18386399]

>>18386325
damn, mods working fast, huh

[Anonymous No.18386418]

>>18386361
There must be something, weebs have existed since at least the 1890s.

[Anonymous No.18386424]

>>18386312
>People that cannot be able to read a character just because it's [insert trope] are no-joke retarded. Like, actually on a spectrum. I get not reading about [insert trope] things, cosmetics, bullshit like that. But being so fucking braindead as to not be able to bear character literally just being [insert trope]? You should just keep reading your gay shit, as apparently only that pure, manly stuff can satisfy you.

[Anonymous No.18386427]

>>18386418
I'm sure there is, I know I've encountered it. I just never pick them up because as much as I like Japan, weebs are terribly embarrassing authors

[Anonymous No.18386433]

>>18386424
You're not wrong.

[Anonymous No.18386439]

>>18386424
Where's the wojak?

[Anonymous No.18386452]

>>18386364
In general I just really didn't like Ciri especially after her character did a 180 and I felt like the story didn't really go anywhere interesting to me so I dropped it.

Like I said >>18386307, from what I've read about the later books I'm glad I did desu.

[Anonymous No.18386459]

>>18386439
>where's the wojak?

[Anonymous No.18386557]

>>18386424
>women are a trope

[Anonymous No.18386560]

>>18386557
yes

[Anonymous No.18386588]

>>18385750
Read dies irae then you we can talk, Kozo.

[Anonymous No.18386607]

>>18386588
cringe

[Anonymous No.18386656]

>>18386607
Ask any japanese what the nipon equivalent for our odissey is and they will tell you that it's dies irae, they study this shit in collecge anon.

[Anonymous No.18386673]

>>18386656
No they don't. A quick google search shows that it's an obscure piece of shit that was ridiculed by all and wasn't even finished upon release. Take your retarded weebshit back to whatever shithole containment board you came from.

[Anonymous No.18386691]

>>18386656
The east asian odyssey is Journey to the West

[Anonymous No.18386853]

>>18385800
i read 5. why is the crying of lot 49 on here?

[Anonymous No.18386856]

>>18386691
As far as epic goes, it's dies irae.Trust me.

[Anonymous No.18386920]

>>18386856
I trust that you're a dumb weeb.

[Anonymous No.18386938]

>>18386920
Have you even read dies irae?

[Anonymous No.18386944]

>>18386938
Why are you trying to push this fucking shit in a board where it's against the rules?

[Anonymous No.18386967]

>>18386944
Stop replying to those kind of posts my dumb anon

[Anonymous No.18386975]

>>18385950
The books on that list that preceded it.

[Anonymous No.18386983]

>>18386853
You'd have to look at the book to find out I suppose.

[Anonymous No.18386991]

>>18386856
>>18386938
>Dies Irae
At least say Muramasa, anon.

[Anonymous No.18387005]

>I'm putting together a Union.

[Anonymous No.18387051]

>MC beats up his friend in the tournament then turns around and flicks off everyone in the audience and runs away
Woah based

[Anonymous No.18387139]

>>18387005
ORC LIVES MATTER

[Anonymous No.18387167]

>>18387005
YOU HAVE MY SWORD

[Anonymous No.18387207]

>>18387005
>And my flame-retardant mask.
First Age Dwarves were based as hell.

[Anonymous No.18387243]

>>18387207
>retard
yeah you got that right lol

[Anonymous No.18387277]

Cuckoldry?

[Anonymous No.18387395]

>>18387051
Brent weeks is unironically the master of edgy teen fiction

[Anonymous No.18387480]

>>18386967
no

[Anonymous No.18387788]

>>18385734
Book Club Readalong: Chasm City by Alastair Reynolds, June 6th

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/89185.Chasm_City
https://discord.com/invite/KWPCM7m

[Anonymous No.18388073]

>>18387051
these were some of the worst books ive ever read by far. its a miracle brent weeks is able to get published fucking christ

[Anonymous No.18388086]

>>18388073
He's really not a bad writer. His plots are extremely engaging and he does good work fleshing out his characters. He just happily indulges in hilariously edgy settings and events like a pig in mud.

[Anonymous No.18388260]

Just finished this -- first fantasy novel I've read in a very long time. I like how Wolfe slowly doles out exposition instead of dropping it all at once. He also does a good job of giving the reader enough info to get the general picture of the world but still leaves a lot up to the imagination. The character development from book 1 to book 2 was done well. My one complaint is that the pacing picks up really suddenly at the end of book 2 and I wish those scenes hadn't gone by so quickly. I would not have minded an extra 30-40 pages. I appreciate Wolfe spending a good amount of time describing hot, naked aelf chicks. Uri and Baki are based as fuck. Anyways what do you bros think of the Wizard Knight?

[Anonymous No.18388947]

>>18385902
Kennit is based as fuck

[Anonymous No.18389092]

>>18385697
Ok now this is epic.

[Anonymous No.18389580]

>>18385800
>>18385813
>>18385827
Eleven for me. Titus Alone should be much farther down on the list in my opinion, that book was shit compared to the first two.

[Anonymous No.18389587]

>>18388260
Good shit but as with every Gene Wolfe book I read I feel like there's a lot going on under the surface that I'm missing. And yeah the whole ending war with the Osterlings or however you spell it was pretty rushed.

[Anonymous No.18389616]

Finished The Great Hunt (Wheel of Time #2). Wow, the worldbuilding was immensely stronger than I remember it. I think as a teen I didn't quite get just how thorough and interesting the worldbuilding is in WoT, maybe due to lacking context. I always thought of Shienar and Carhien as fun places to visit along the journey, but only now do I see just how much effort and care was put into making them feel like real places. Shienar in particular is dripping with culture - they have their sayings, their philosophies, their quirks... It's hilarious that someone across the world can recognize Rand's time in the borderlands simply by how he says Shienar-esque lines about standing watch and standing firm.

Also, the meta-narrative aspect of the story (the pattern = the hero monomyth, repeated throughout the ages both in real life and the WoT universe) is basically beaten over your head, so why do I see almost no review mentioning it whatsoever? I think the most impressive part of WoT so far, in terms of it being good fantasy at least, is how it openly embraces the archetypical narrative cycle of fantasy and, rather than subverting it, lovingly makes it a diegetic part of the world. Robert Jordan is aware of the clichés of Chosen Ones, Great Evils, the forced drama of constant danger/narrow victories, etc, but instead of mocking them, he takes it head-on and does his damnedest to just tell a good story, while nodding to the existence of these monomyths and tropes through the Wheel of Time, the pattern, etc. It feels impossible to talk about WoT without mentioning how it is more or less "the canonical fantasy story", next in line to Arthur Pendragon (see: Artur Paendrag Tanreall in the story) and countless others, and yet nobody does. What gives? Do people just let their eyes glaze over whenever the Wheel and Pattern are mentioned, and when real-world history is alluded to, as well as the permanent cyclical nature of it all? Honestly, there's some off-handed mentions to the hand of Shadow touching the Wheel to corrupt the pattern, and I would half-jokingly say it's the people blindly subverting tropes and making terrible stories that are the ones fucking up the pattern.

[Anonymous No.18390148]

>>18389616
>Do people just let their eyes glaze over whenever the Wheel and Pattern are mentioned, and when real-world history is alluded to, as well as the permanent cyclical nature of it all?
I think they let their eyes glaze over from the later books where nothing happens for hundreds of pages on end.

[Anonymous No.18390152]

I'll never finish Wheel of Time but the music it inspired is pretty based.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDnBkYgxL1I

[Anonymous No.18390195]

>>18390152
>not posting the Wheel of Time track
Literally one job anon, what the fuck

[Anonymous No.18390197]

>>18390195
I posted the best WoT song.

[Anonymous No.18390481]

I'm on book 2 of the Soulship series, and this little rat is fucking annoying with its constant save this and save that. I think I might drop the series just because of this.

[Anonymous No.18390531]

>>18385428
Based, this way I always have all my books with me. I just hope you have some kind of ad blocker (even putting dns.adguard.com in network settings -> advanced is enough to stop these adds).

[Anonymous No.18390555]

>>18385269
Pirating is just as convenient as buying (if you know the right site), if you don't buy a Kindle you don't even have to convert (if you do Calibre will autoconvert when you click 'send to device').

[Anonymous No.18390586]

Kobo is dead to me ever since I realized they actually have a semi-competent geolocking and even with a VPN won't accept my money (I wanted to buy an untranslated book that I couldn't find anywhere else).
Anyway it still amazes me that there's no 'legal' way to buy Japanese e-books from outside Japan.

[Anonymous No.18390595]

>>18390586
Are you sure it's not the publisher not allowing it to be sold outside of Japan? Also they probably geolock via the address attached to the card

[Anonymous No.18390607]

>>18385487
Just use a search engine bro. There's already a color e-ink phone (colors are extremely washed out but still, this means it's usable for most things). There are also older (still usable if you don't want to play games on your phone) phones with e-ink screen on the back.

[Anonymous No.18390609]

>>18390555
>if you know the right site
sire...
could you spare a peasant some knowledge?

[Anonymous No.18390614]

>>18385760
E-ink phones aren't that expensive. If you live in a developed country you can easily afford it.

[Anonymous No.18390630]

>>18390609
Z-lib
Mobilism
Myanonamouse

[Anonymous No.18390647]

>>18385995
I have never seen female POV porn (and I don't just mean I didn't fap to it, but that when browsing porn videos I've never once stumbled upon shit like this). I'm sure there are some, but I don't get why you thought that most people have seen them.

[Anonymous No.18390650]

>>18390647
I've encountered at an alarming rate more and more POV porn of girls choking on futa cock

[Anonymous No.18390654]

>>18390647
>Not self-inserting as the woman in porn and fapping to the thought of fucking a man
Are you gay?

[Anonymous No.18390669]

>>18386312
>if you don't like things I like then you are on the spectrum

[Anonymous No.18390679]

>>18386853
look at the list again and try to find a simple pattern

[Anonymous No.18390685]

>paolini got jacked and now has a kid
Apologise

[Anonymous No.18390702]

>>18385734
I've got my eye on these books
>Space Trilogy (Lewis)
>Mars Trilogy
>First & Last Men/Star Maker
>Space Odyssey Saga (Clarke)
Which of these are genuinely good and woth reading? I've got a huge backlog but I'm in the mood for some Sci-Fi. I keep hearing how F&LM is very "epic" but whatever passages I cam across seem like dry descriptors to me, not some epic philosopical poem.

[Anonymous No.18390706]

>>18390702
Part of the benefits of having an Ereader
just get them all and pick up and drop them at your own leisure

[Anonymous No.18390714]

>>18390595
Yeah it may be the publisher's fault, but still at least Amazon just does the bare basics required not to get sued, so with a VPN you can avoid their geolocking. I dunno why Kobo even bothers with checking your country based on the credit card.
On another note licensing is really retarded. I still can't get over how there's no legal way to buy some e-books (I'd have to import a paperback I think to do it 100% legit).

[Anonymous No.18390727]

>>18390714
might just be a japan thing
they're very anal

[Anonymous No.18390747]

>>18390706
Well, I figure Lewis' Christcuckery is too much for me, and the Odyssey Saga sounded like diminishing returns, so I downloaded F&LM.
>2 pages in
>BEEBEECEE ON WHITE ENGLISHWOMAN CRYING RAPE BUT REALLY SHE JUST WANTED BEEBEECEE
Why are Nordics like this?

[Anonymous No.18390814]

>>18390650
>POV porn of girls choking on futa cock
Wat, you know futas aren't real right?

[Anonymous No.18390819]

>>18390814
yes, that should've clued you in on what kind of porn I'm talking about

[Anonymous No.18390834]

>>18390819
Ah ok, you meant cartoon porn, that new fetish or whatever you described sounds hilarious.

[Anonymous No.18390868]

So I just finished the last book of the wheel of time

why didn't Rand just die? It seems to be such an unnecessary subversion to have him live when you predicted for 13 books that he wa going to die. Also Sanderson sucks dick why do people enjoy his writing?

[Anonymous No.18390905]

Has anyone here read the Expanse series? I'm on Persepolis Rising and honestly the Laconians are mega based but they're the "bad guys" so it's kind of painful to read

[Anonymous No.18390924]

>>18390868
>why do people enjoy his writing?
I wonder the same thing about Jordan. I'd sooner read a EULA than any of his tripe again

[Anonymous No.18391100]

I am seeing a lot of talk about Broken Earth now that it's being adapted. Sounds like trash. Is it good or did it just win awards because the author is a black woman?

[Anonymous No.18391144]

>>18391100
I doubt she won the awards just because she's black. She'd already held other awards prior to publishing Broken Earth.

[Anonymous No.18391186]

>>18386347
there's a load of china ones but i can't think of a jap one off the top of my head

[Anonymous No.18391193]

>>18390152
Love Blind Guardian. Nightfall in Middle Earth is one of my favourite albums

[Anonymous No.18391349]

guys maybe we should separate science fiction and fantasy once and for all
different generals

[Anonymous No.18391360]

>>18390531
i bought pro for like 2 bucks waaaay the fuck back so im good

[Anonymous No.18391379]

>>18391100
It's very much ok. It could teeter into very good or very bad depending on your tastes. I would rate it better than a number of books that get recommended around here.

(edited my post, because I didn't want to piss off any specific book fans)

[Anonymous No.18391390]

>>18391349
literally the same genre

[Anonymous No.18391400]

>>18387051
are there any good fantasy assassin books?

[Anonymous No.18391475]

>>18391349
Ok, but when?

[Anonymous No.18391493]

>>18391390
Are you serious?

[Anonymous No.18391517]

>>18391100
First book, good. Other 2 books, boring, couldn't finish the third. Woman black author bad tho

[Anonymous No.18391522]

>>18391493
you'll eat your words in 10 years when the sanderman wills the genres into singularity

[Anonymous No.18391523]

>>18391493
Scifi is a sub genre of fantasy

[Anonymous No.18391550]

>>18391390
>>18391522
>>18391523
that's why I hate this fuckign general seriously

[Anonymous No.18391557]

>>18391550
i only hate this fuckign general ironically

[Anonymous No.18391650]

seriously, what purpose do female MCs serve?
Why do male authors feel compelled to write them?

[Anonymous No.18391653]

>>18391557
fuck you

[Anonymous No.18391732]

>>18390148
>where nothing happens for hundreds of pages on end.
Consider what you mean by "nothing happens." Naturally, as long as there are pages on the book, something is happening. What people mean when they say "nothing happens" what they mean is more to the tune of "I'm bored" and/or "There's no action/drama happening." In both of these cases, it's the fault of the reader - it's entitled to expect a book to entertain you through no effort of your own, and being bored when there's no action is hardly commendable.

[Anonymous No.18391756]

>>18391650
femoids are a big market and they want a female MC
soiboys (most males reading books fall into this category) are brainwashed enough to complain that they want strong wymyn characters (or maybe they are just deluded enough to think that doing so will help them get laid, I dunno)

[Anonymous No.18391766]

>>18391732
Is this post copied from a philosophy thread? Genre fiction is so obviously only good for entertainment that I don't think that anybody would seriously write that we should 'get over our entitlement and just force ourselves to read boring genre fiction'.

[Anonymous No.18391769]

>>18385734
Ray Bradbury or bust.

[Anonymous No.18391798]

>>18389580
It's ordered chronologically

[Anonymous No.18391817]

>>18391766
You will never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.18391820]

eagerly awaiting the arrival of my new e reader

[Anonymous No.18391907]

>>18391766
>Genre fiction is so obviously only good for entertainment
All genre fiction? Even Asimov, Clarke, etc? Even Dune?

[Anonymous No.18391918]

>>18387005
>>18387167
>>18387207
ohhhh no no no i'm sooooo scared

[Anonymous No.18391923]

>>18391907
yes

[Anonymous No.18391927]

>>18390650
You really have found yourself in a specific niche by your own design.

[Anonymous No.18391933]

>>18391349
You can try, but the problem is always the same. Someone has to create the other thread consistently. That's always been the biggest stumbling block that everyone has tripped over before and fell flat on their face.

[Anonymous No.18391940]

>>18391766
Note that I said "through no effort of your own." Entertainment is not something that should be viewed as something spoonfed to you while you lean back and stare slack-jawed at a television. The amount of enjoyment you get out of something is often connected to how much effort you put into it, and how much respect you give the work in question. With books, even genre fiction, the more you think about what's being done, the more you read deeply into the text, the more you glean the author's intention, etc, the more you'll likely start to enjoy something. When people find a text boring or what have you, more often than not what they're doing is refusing to engage with the work, or otherwise just engaging on the most surface level (i.e. the level of action, sex, in-your-face drama, etc). What I'm saying is that it's entitled to refuse to engage with a work and put effort into appreciating it, then still demand it entertain you. The problem here would not be the work being boring, it would be you being lazy and apathetic. If I may be so bold as to use a video game analogy, it's like playing an action game on the lowest difficulty, then being mad when it's boring, even though you yourself refused to play on more demanding difficulties and master the game.

When it comes to media, even genre fiction, I advise that you first look for shallowness in yourself rather than shallowness in the work. You will more often than not find that it's not the work being shallow and boring, but you not respecting it enough, and respecting it more will allow you to appreciate it in greater depths. This is not always the case (I'm sure many people would instantly envision some 12 year old's fanfiction.net series here), but it's something good to keep in mind. Especially when using the word "boring", because the word "boring" never describes a work, only the speaker. People out there will call everything boring - classics like Moby Dick and The Brothers Karamazov, of course, but also genre fiction and nonfiction and anything in between. The term "boring" never is descriptive or meaningful in terms of the text, only in terms of your feelings, and feelings are something we have much control over ourselves.

If you wish to criticize a work, forget about it being "boring", and try to find meaningful criticisms instead. You'll find most of them reflecting more poorly on you than you expected, perhaps. "There's a lot of POVs from characters I don't like" - boohoo. "There's not as many fight scenes and drama"- boo hoo. "There's a lot of time spent describing scenes and character interactions" - boohoo. Etc. All these things you could like more if you put more effort into seeing their virtues, likely, but even if not, at least then you would be admitting that you simply didn't mesh well with the goals of the work, rather than making the dramatic and sweeping claim that it is boring - attributing fault with the work, rather than yourself.

[Anonymous No.18391951]

>>18391923
How so? Don't they have interesting ideas or anything tangible to offer in the realms of technology, sociopolitics and whatnot?

[Anonymous No.18391972]

>>18391951
yes, but the primary purpose of those ideas, and any fiction for that matter, is entertainment of the reader.

[Anonymous No.18391978]

>>18391972
But if they're useful, then they're not just disposable entertainment.

[Anonymous No.18391995]

..

[Anonymous No.18392002]

>>18391972
That's how you attract and keep the audience other than study or work related obligation.

[Anonymous No.18392025]

Give it to me straight /ssfg/. I'm a stemfag and I'm finding myself in recent months taking time I should be studying/doing research/exercising and using it to read genre fiction with the hopes of coming across interesting concepts for my field. I've not read much but it mostly feels like a waste. The more "timeless" ones have already made their way to the larger pop culture, and most of the books are just political diatribes hanging on some flimsy scientific concept, with the older books being downright false due to new data. Am I just wasting my time? I thought reading Asimov or the such would give me some new insights, but nothing thus far.

[Anonymous No.18392042]

HOW.
I HATE.
THIS THREAD.

[Anonymous No.18392072]

>>18392025
You should stop. Immediately.

[Anonymous No.18392092]

>>18391940
Make your baits shorter if you want anyone to read them.

[Anonymous No.18392100]

>>18391817
I'm a man so that's a given, you fucking election tourist.

[Anonymous No.18392104]

>>18385934
glow harder filthy (((american)))

[Anonymous No.18392114]

>>18390630
Exuse me, what the fuck? Is it some autist dragon's hoard of ebooks?

[Anonymous No.18392118]

>>18392114
surprised he didnt delete the website considering it contains both

[Anonymous No.18392120]

>>18392104
You hate that which you'll never be.

[Anonymous No.18392129]

>>18392114
>being this gullible

[Anonymous No.18392140]

>>18392042
imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.18392154]

any book that gives you dragon gf?

[Anonymous No.18392195]

>>18392072
But why? Do I not having anything concrete to gain? Is it all just popsci? I find that inevitably it all bleeds to more and more nomalfag mediums. I've come acoss crazier concepts in whatever 2000AD strip I read than any classic SF book. And even those are always vague and divorced from reality. It seems that real scientists do the work, then the writers get inspired by a morsel of truth, then use that as a basis to construct a story. Sometimes it's entertaining, sometimes it's not, but I really feel as if I am wasting time. Is that really what I'm doing?

[Anonymous No.18392201]

>>18392114
Idk about that shit, I joined mam at 2018 and didn't notice any drama.

[Anonymous No.18392209]

The Virgin Bakker
>muh uber grimdark, everything is as wretched and dismal as possible, all characters are shitty and morally "grey" to the point of bankruptcy
>muh failed philosophy PhD, muh semi-failed writing career
>ripped off every fantasy writer that came before him
>never served in war, spent his youth stoned playing dungeons and dragons

The CHAD Tolkien
>souls contending with the fact of a fallen world and still trying to act with justice and courage despite unassailable odds
>actual Oxford Don and professor of Philology; writing was his side hobby
>invents a new genre (and many languages) from scratch; his influence on fantasy has never been equalled or rivaled
>actual war hero, kicked jerry's ass on the battlefields of france

[Anonymous No.18392230]

>>18392209
Oranges
>acidic
>bad for your teeth
>juice squirts everywhere
>can’t even eat the skin

Apples
>crisp
>healthy, edible skin
>keeps the doctor away

[Anonymous No.18392273]

>>18392209
Imagine thinking that serving in a war is something to be proud of.

[Anonymous No.18392282]

>>18392209
>>18392209
VirBak
>books are basically out of print, publishers won't touch him, impossible to find any copies of "The Great Ordeal" anymore
>book covers ugly and gay looking, most fan art exists in the form of crude sketches and goofy memes
>paranoid agnostic, terrified of muh hellfire
>edgy philosophical nihilist and blind brain theorist; his work is growing more and more obscure and will be forgotten
>his only remaining fans are a couple of autists on a chinese yak milking forum, who are constantly attacked and derided by literal pedos and anime trannies

ChadTolk
>millions of copies of his work printed in every language around the world; will forever be a part of mainstream culture
>world-class artists have created a canon of gorgeous artwork to accompany his writings; was an actual artist as well as a writer, made beautiful watercolor illustrations to accompany his books
>awesome high-budget film adaptations which will live forever as some of the greatest fantasy films ever made
>Chad faithful Christian, strongly rooted in his Catholic conviction
>maintained a philosophy of fortitude and hope until his death; is in Heaven now, and his work will live forever
>his fans number in the tens of millions and there are clubs dedicated to speaking the languages he invented


>>18392273
Tolkien knew that was was hell and could write about its horrors from personal experience. Bakker fetishizes cartoonish violence with the enthusiasm of a teenage warhammer 40K player.

[Anonymous No.18392284]

>order box set of novels
>end up just reading them on my phone

[Anonymous No.18392291]

>>18392273
YWNBAW

[Anonymous No.18392297]

>>18392291
I'll also never be killed in combat.

[Anonymous No.18392298]

>>18391972
>the primary purpose of those ideas, and any fiction for that matter, is entertainment of the reader
This is extremely wrong but ok

[Anonymous No.18392306]

Finished Mistborn
my main thought is that the MC feels really uncanny, she experiences so much trauma, but then continues acting like a regular teenage girl the large majority of the book.

[Anonymous No.18392314]

>>18392195
You have it backwards. SF inspires to do the research. Huge corporations hire writers to give them ideas

[Anonymous No.18392326]

>>18392306
dont worry kaladin picked up her slack

[Anonymous No.18392341]

>>18392314
https://onezero.medium.com/nike-and-boeing-are-paying-sci-fi-writers-to-predict-their-futures-fdc4b6165fa4

[Anonymous No.18392343]

>>18390868
because robert jordan wanted to write more books.

[Anonymous No.18392350]

>>18392314
Literally how does that even work? Writers don't have in-depth scientific knowledge.
>lmao what if, like, there was a gun like, that shot plasma black hles and shit
isn't hard to imagine. It's making a lasergun that's the problem. What "idea" is some guy with an English degree and a career writing schlock going to have? Even if we work with that frame of mind, the books will be read by people working in film/vidya/comics and eventually the more original ideas will find their way in the forefont so the scientists will just hear them fm a 10 minute conversation without dropping 10 hours on a genre book.
>>18392341
Shoot anon, if fucking Nike is employing curent SF writers, then how can I possibly counter that?!

[Anonymous No.18392354]

>>18391732
Glad to see some actual discussion in this thread. Anons here have mentioned Nabokov's thoughts on literature what the 'ideal [Nabokovian] reader' looks like; an ideal reader does not judge a book *solely* on their emotional attachment to the plot or characters or to how entertained they are; an ideal reader is able to appreciate the book even if it doesn't cater to their specific wants or desires.

At the same time however, there's this idea of 'reader expectations' that all good authors manage, knowingly or not. A good reader drops all preconceived notions about a book before reading it, but the author must also provide what they signaled would happen at the beginning of the book. Take Wise Man's Fear, for example: if you look at the reviews for that book, the majority of them express frustration that 'nothing happens'; the reason for this is not that literally nothing is happening; like you said, if there are pages in a book then *something* is taking place; the readers are upset because the author signaled that something specific was going to happen, and that specific thing did not happen; the reader did not receive what the author said [indirectly] they were going to receive; while *something* is happening, it is not the *something* that the author alluded to. Thus, the readers are upset.

There is a fine line between 'not delivering on what you alluded to happening' and 'subverting expectations'; an author can deliver a sense of progress and satisfaction while still subverting the reader's expectations. When most people complain about how 'nothing happens' in a book, usually they mean, 'there is no sense of progress toward the thing the author teased us with; I feel unfulfilled/cheated,' etc, etc

[Anonymous No.18392398]

>>18392230
Bakuck
>closet homo
>cuckold
>infantile and weak
>libtard
>Sir Tolkien
>heterosexual
>wholesome
>fought in the trenches in WW1
>catholic and reasonable conservative

[Anonymous No.18392410]

>>18385973
>if something has a female protag i can't continue reading it
good luck finding modern scifi and fantasy without one of those

[Anonymous No.18392422]

Second attempt at reading Dune. I've finished book 1 and it just keeps getting worse. The author projects autism as a desirable trait on the level of superpower over the entire main cast. Characters are either supergeniuses or complete retards depending on what inconveniences the author needs them to bring upon themselves. (The idea early on that Paul did not notice for his entire life that he was being put through Mentat training is laughable, and Jessica is rapidly degenerating even more into the author's weird idea of a manipulative-but-easily-overcome mother - she's supposed to be some puppetmaster, but we're supposed to believe that she doesn't notice Leto's sudden even-more-autistic outbursts as intentional.) Paul's Mary Sue bullshit wouldn't be so annoying if the self-insert aspect wasn't so in the foreground - even Wolfe was never so obnoxious with finding contrived ways to bring Catholicism to his protagonists and make it important. And just to top it off, the prose isn't very good, either. Any time he tries to write the poet character it comes out laughable.

Anyways, fuck this book. I can see why it sold when it came out but I can't see why people of my generation think it holds up today. For once I'm excited for Hollywood to strip all of the author's intention out of a story.

[Anonymous No.18392429]

Basically, I need exotic ideas for underwear on an alien female anthro fox.

When I mean exotic I don't mean something exactly horny, but rather insanely rare or specific (Absurd pattern, or game styled underwear in design, or something that is different from the standard underwear design like a loincloth)

[Anonymous No.18392478]

>>18392429

[Anonymous No.18392488]

>>18392478
why are you so horny, anon

[Anonymous No.18392605]

>>18392350
Chinese government is funding SF writers as well. Look into Futurism.
Neal Stephenson is employed by Magic Leap to give them ideas.

[Anonymous No.18392624]

>>18392605
>Look into Futurism.

[Anonymous No.18392704]

>>18392624
>basedypic
go back to /metal/ asshole

[Anonymous No.18392762]

Should I read the drizzt series? My concern is it’s going to be low brow weak story

[Anonymous No.18392767]

>>18392605
But again, whatever new idea may arise first has to be based on an actual invention/discovery of scientists. Some rando writing fiction will never really imagine anything all that groundbreaking without first seeing an IRL example. What's happening is that there are far too many fields for anyone to keep track of them all, so each scientist works in a specific field. They create/discover/invent and writers see flimsy outlines of those things and put them in a story. Since they're not killing themselves working on a specific area, they pull from everywhere and create a mashup world/setting/concept. Sometimes it works enough to break int the mainstream. The scientist consumes it some way and then the base form of it might serve as inspiration for something that's more or less being worked already. There's nothing that a genre fiction writer can realistically help with. It's more to do with aesthetics and just emplying people to comb through the garbage to find the diamonds.

[Anonymous No.18392905]

>>18391732
The problem isn't that nothing happens in later WOT books, it's that the same thing happens repeatedly, for hundreds of pages, and that thing usually isn't particularly complicated. The Fires Of Heaven didn'tt need to dedicate hundreds of pages to Elayne and Nynaeve have a snit at the circus, it could've gotten the idea across in half that easily.

[Anonymous No.18392967]

>>18392762
FR is a great setting for roleplaying but not for stories

[Anonymous No.18393068]

>never gave a shit about fantasy outside lotr
>friend recommends me witcher books
>read them even though I'm not a big fan of dark fantasy
>don't really like them outside the short stories
>not really a big factor but I'll add that I couldn't stand any female characters outside of like 2
>couple weeks later same "friend" recommends wheel of time
>halfway through the first book and I'm already pissed off again at half the female cast

Alright /sffg/ I've never been in these threads but please be honest with me, whats the issue here.

Am I some kind of female hating incel, is my "friend" a fucking cuck who likes terrible female characters or is all fantasy outside of lotr written by femdom obsessed faggots.

[Anonymous No.18393080]

>>18393068
main wheel of time female cast is written to be stubborn as a meme

[Anonymous No.18393088]

>>18393080
I see what you did there.

[Anonymous No.18393098]

>>18392767
>whatever new idea may arise first has to be based on an actual invention/discovery of scientists.
It really doesn't.

[Anonymous No.18393118]

>>18393068
your friend just has shitty taste in books. read paladin of souls

[Anonymous No.18393119]

>>18392767
A different kind of example, top search result on Google
https://www.bustle.com/p/11-real-life-inventions-inspired-by-science-fiction-novels-9090688

I didn't claim stuff come into existence out of nothing. Obviously everything builds on something else.

[Anonymous No.18393162]

My e-reader arrived today; it's actually very nice, although reading on the weird not-screen takes some getting used to; my reading is no-longer constrained by what physical books are available at my library or my budget; I can now download whatever I please and comfortably read it all the same; this is nice because I read a lot of fantasy and most if it is shit so its better if I don't have to spend money to read it at all; case in point, I will commence my e-reading career by reading The Name of the Wind; I am expecting it to be shit; hopefully my e-reader doesn't get cursed or something.

[Anonymous No.18393170]

>>18393068
Do you not like female characters with agency and backbones?

[Anonymous No.18393194]

>>18393170
No one does

[Anonymous No.18393198]

>>18393162
>I will commence my e-reading career by reading The Name of the Wind

[Anonymous No.18393207]

>>18393170
The two characters I mentioned liking in the witcher books were Milva and Angouleme, make of that what you will.

[Anonymous No.18393211]

>>18393170
Let's be real, backbone is a term that is vastly misunderstood by writers who use idiot ball plots

[Anonymous No.18393214]

>>18393198
I would have been fine not reading this, anon

[Anonymous No.18393217]

>>18393198
I DONT CARE I DONT CARE WHO FUCKS WHO WHO WANTS WHOSE DICK WHO GOT RAPED AT WHICH POINT IN THEIR LIFE IT HAS NO BEARING ON THE PLOT GET ON WITH IT I DONT CARE I DONT GIVE A SHIT

[Anonymous No.18393267]

[Anonymous No.18393277]

>>18393217
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.18393365]

>>18392767
>scientist discovers x
>scientist doesn't know what to do with x because he is a nerd with no imagination
>chad sci-fi writer and English major with fruitful imagination: "wouldn't it be cool if we had a portable device that could do y!"
>scientist reads sci-fi and realizes he can make y happen with x
>chad writer is universally adored for his revolutionary idea and has many orgies with his adoring fans
>scientist is still a sexless nerd

[Anonymous No.18393441]

>>18393068
wot is one big hatchet job on women.

[Anonymous No.18393611]

"In a world where males are rarely born, they've become a commodity-traded and sold like property. Jerin Whistler has come of age for marriage and his handsome features have come to the attention of the royal princesses. But such attentions can be dangerous-especially as Jerin uncovers the dark mysteries the royal family is hiding."

[Anonymous No.18393621]

>>18393068
femdom is the only reason i read fantasy novels

[Anonymous No.18393818]

Just finished "The Judging Eye". What is the Thousandfold Thought exactly? And why does the book say Kellhus went mad? Was it because of his interaction with the No-God during his "crucifixion".

[Anonymous No.18393822]

>>18393162
So I started the book; currently on 10 of 718 which is making me wonder if I really want to struggle through this.

Also, everybody goes on and on about how great the *prose* is in this book but so far it's just standard fantasy writing (i.e., not very good); I wasn't expecting James Joyce or anything but this is disappointing so far; if this is what passes for good writing within the fantasy literature community, that's just depressing. Am I just being a snob? I don't know anymore. Can I get some other anons' opinions?

[Anonymous No.18393824]

>>18393068
Nah you should continue reading Wheel of Time. Apart from Egwene and Cadsuane the girls become a lot more bearable.

[Anonymous No.18393829]

>>18393822
>James Joyce
>good
Opinion dropped

[Anonymous No.18393844]

>>18393829
>t. Faulknerfag

[Anonymous No.18393861]

>>18393844
dont know who that is nor do i care unless hes good, which he isnt.

[Anonymous No.18393863]

>>18393861
Pray tell, dearest anon, who do you consider a good prose stylist?

[Anonymous No.18393869]

>>18393818
>What is the Thousandfold Thought exactly?
read the next book and find out
>And why does the book say Kellhus went mad?
yes
>Was it because of his interaction with the No-God during his "crucifixion".
RAFO

[Anonymous No.18393882]

>>18393863
>Pray tell,
Mental you expect replies when you type like some 17 year old who just discovered medieval books.

[Anonymous No.18393901]

>>18393882
I was being sarcastic you dumb fuck, but my fault for expecting someone as mentally deficient as you to pick up on basic sarcasm like that

[Anonymous No.18393909]

>>18393901
>I-I was just pretending to be an idiot
Strange.

[Anonymous No.18393929]

>>18393822
His prose is bad really. Book 1 is a lot like Fellowship of the Ring for most of the plot. I think people like it out of nostalgia or bad taste. I haven't moved on to book 2 but I might if I get bored. People say it's better then 1 but that's a low bar.

[Anonymous No.18394021]

>>18393909
I am become bait, accumulator of (you)s

[Anonymous No.18394038]

>>18392422
Haven't read Messiah yet but from what I've heard, Paul's Muad'dibness "seeing every fractional possibility branch before him" doesn't make him such a heroic, desirable MC in the end

[Anonymous No.18394051]

Fuck female POV but these two were amazing

[Anonymous No.18394063]

>>18392230
good analogy

[Anonymous No.18394097]

>>18393068
>Am I some kind of female hating incel
Bingo.

[Anonymous No.18394117]

>>18393068
read bakkker

[Anonymous No.18394148]

>>18394117
>read bakkker
>having to suffer Esmenet
no thanks

[Anonymous No.18394151]

>>18394117
I don’t want to read cuckold shit.

[Anonymous No.18394257]

Alright bros we all know there's pleny of fantasy shit for cucks, but what about some books for alpha chads with huge cocks?

[Anonymous No.18394262]

>>18394257
Most fantasy published before the 80s would fit; it seems the emasculation of modern fantasy began in the 90s or thereabouts

[Anonymous No.18394276]

>>18394257
twilight

[Anonymous No.18394454]

>>18394051
Why'd she do it bros?

[Anonymous No.18394476]

>>18394257
Brandong Sanderhung's Cosmere universe

[Anonymous No.18394482]

>>18394454
To end the war obviously

[Anonymous No.18394617]

>>18393818
Reread kellhus talking to his father. They explain TTT there

[Anonymous No.18394634]

>>18391400
>are there any good fantasy assassin books?
I went through everything I've read thinking there were a few that elevated themselves above the setup but then I realised those were all actually thief protagonist books not assassins.

Hobb's series is the only one I'd definitely say is good and people get pissy with it because the assassin is a disposable poisoner rather than a master of the shadows and because they love to make their characters suffer to earn the good moments.
Vlad Taltos is otherwise my best answer but that has a very messy book or two in it where the author is clearly venting about his divorce and now ex-wife.

I guess you could say the recent City of Lies is an assassin story but the poisoner protagonist has more of a protective job.

[Anonymous No.18394642]

>>18391400
:^)

[Anonymous No.18394646]

>>18394642
Ma'am.

[Anonymous No.18394651]

>>18394642
Kill the Queen is a much better girly assassin series

[Anonymous No.18394867]

Any fantasy with hot women getting fat? Murakami's descriptions of fat girl sex and feedee stuffing in Hardboiled Wonderland was extremely good, but ultimately weight gain is more my preference.

[Anonymous No.18394923]

>>18394867
not fantasy, but in War and Peace, Natasha gets fat. literally the only one i can think of, i don't read fetish books.

[Anonymous No.18394957]

>>18394923
Everything's a fetish book to someone. I might actually pick up War and Peace, though, thanks

[Anonymous No.18394978]

>>18392306
Yeah, Vin is a garbage character
>oh, I'm so mistrustful of people because trauma or something
>guess I'll just join this troupe of randos and have zero problems interacting with and learning from them or in general trusting any and all of them with no reservations
>oh, I also have no problems fitting into high society even though I'm supposedly sooo withdrawn or something from the trauma I had, remember that trauma?
>grrr, dresses suck, I'm not like other girls
>umm, actually, dresses are kinda nice after all, teehee
But it's Sanderson. All of his characters are shallow and inconsistent like that.

[Anonymous No.18395011]

>>18393068
Your "friend" just has shit taste and is a basic bitch. Just be happy they didn't recommend you even worse garbage like Stormlight or Mistborn.

[Anonymous No.18395144]

>>18390868
>Also Sanderson sucks dick why do people enjoy his writing?
midwit here, i like it cause he writes in fun stuff

[Anonymous No.18395370]

how good is Malazan Book of the Fallen? overall thoughts on the series?

[Anonymous No.18395373]

>>18390868
Sanderson writes relatively fast, at least when I read his shit I'll know it'll finish in a few years

[Anonymous No.18395410]

>>18395370
derailed dnd campaign

[Anonymous No.18395452]

>>18395373
>in a few years
Except SA has received 4 out of 10 books in 10 years and he's going to pause after writing the fifth one. You'll get to finish that series in 2033.

[Anonymous No.18395475]

>>18394923
It's over 1000 pages long and she's only fat in the epilogue anon.

[Anonymous No.18395484]

>>18395452
He's not gonna stop releasing books in that time, and the cosmere is more interesting as a whole than just SA

[Anonymous No.18395493]

>>18394957
Twenty years from now
>"anon, how did you become the most renowned expert on Tolstoy?"
>"i wanted to read a books about chicks getting fat"

[Anonymous No.18395501]

>>18385800
>The Dying Earth
>LOTR
>Dandelion Wine
>Once and Future King
>3hearts3lions
>The Magus
>Eyes of the Overworld
>Last Unicorn
>Black Easter
>Last Unicorn
>Watership Down
>Thomas Covenant

These are all good books (well, I thought TC was a little shaky, but it's still ultimately good). Seems like a good list.

HOWEVER, I do not really think that either "The Magus" or "Dandelion Wine" are really examples of fantasy literature.

[Anonymous No.18395514]

>>18395484
Still gonna take a half a lifetime to reach any conclusion.

[Anonymous No.18395522]

>>18395514
Journey before destination :)

[Anonymous No.18395541]

>>18395475
Ok, you name a better book for his fetish.

[Anonymous No.18395549]

>>18385800
Reminder: This is book filled with reviews, criticism, and analysis. The numbers are not rankings. They are by the year they were released.

[Anonymous No.18395553]

>>18395522
>at least when I read his shit I'll know it'll finish in a few years
>but it'll take 10+ years
>b-but the journey
MILK IT

[Anonymous No.18395564]

>>18394978
Yes exactly, it's like none of her supposed character traits has any actual meaningful impact on the story.

[Anonymous No.18395575]

>>18388086
No, they're just bad. The characters are just there to interact with the Mc and serve no further purpose. The hook of why he must always be alone doesn't mesh with the rest of the world and the Mc is just a teenage virgin fantasy. In fact he just reminds me of the typical Shonen protagonist. There was so much wrong with these books and I'm annoyed I was even reminded of the time I wasted reading them.

[Anonymous No.18395576]

>>18395553
Wasn't me lol
Yeah the cosmere isn't gonna be finished for at least another 20 years but that's fine, because it's not one single book we've been waiting on to finally put an end to the wait, but all the smaller books on the way there to make up the bigger picture which do get released consistently

[Anonymous No.18395585]

>>18395452
>2033
Ha ha, no. Cosmere series will never finish. 40 years from now he'll be 85. That's 2061. It won't be anywhere near done. However by that time it'll be in full franchise mode with a very many writers putting out Cosmere Expanded Universe novels.

[Anonymous No.18395590]

>>18390647
>>18390650
>>18390814
>>18391927
all porn is inherently voyeuristic cuckold-training and most drawn or animated porn these days is autogynephilic. probs because it's commissioned stuff and really shows you the audience.

[Anonymous No.18395591]

>>18395576
Cosmere is to books as the Marvel cinematic universe is to movies. It's brilliant marketing really to make you think you need to do it all.

[Anonymous No.18395599]

>>18395590
You'd make for a suitable religous fundamentalist.

[Anonymous No.18395625]

>>18395410
Isn't that literally how it started? I thought I heard it mentioned somewhere that some of the significant background figures in the series are literally PC's from a tabletop game he DM'd.

[Anonymous No.18395630]

>>18395591
Enjoy waiting for winds of winter or whatever I'll be reading cyberpunk mistborn in the meantime

[Anonymous No.18395634]

>>18394867
The Cook is magical realism

[Anonymous No.18395640]

>>18395634
Any real difference?

[Anonymous No.18395651]

>>18395585
Don't give up hope.

[Anonymous No.18395665]

>>18394642
Mildly decent, don't see why it get so much hate.

[Anonymous No.18395676]

new thread
>>18395669

[Anonymous No.18395679]

>>18395640
Between fantasy and magical realism? Not much, magical realism usually implies that the fantasy elements are extremely subtle and unexplained.

[Anonymous No.18395692]

>>18395585
As long as he doesn't get derailed like W&W again SA should be finished by 2035, after that Dragonsteel, then Mistborn era 4/sixth of the dusk 2 by which point most of the cosmere is more scifi than fantasy which should be interesting

[Anonymous No.18395693]

>>18395676
>making an early thread

[Anonymous No.18395694]

>>18395679
Most magical realism takes place in our world/reality though; fantasy more often than not involves some kind of constructed otherworld

[Anonymous No.18395703]

>>18395676
Based. Beat the disgusting anime faggot at his own game. Long live western sffg.

[Anonymous No.18395714]

>>18395694
Most magical realism I read is in Latin America,

[Anonymous No.18395717]

>>18395694
Sure, it's realism with a touch of magic. But urban fantasy also takes place in our reality and is very different

[Anonymous No.18395720]

>>18395717
How? They're one in the same?

[Anonymous No.18395723]

>>18395714
Or Japan, Murakami is a magical realist

[Anonymous No.18395727]

>>18395723
I completely forgot about him. I don't even know how.

[Anonymous No.18395728]

>>18395717
Good point I guess, there is a lot of overlap between magical realism and urban fantasy, though I would argue that in urban fantasy, the 'fantasy' elements tend to be more pronounced/obvious, no?

[Anonymous No.18395733]

>>18395723
Does Asia even have strong magic realism other than Japan?

[Anonymous No.18395741]

>>18395720
No, Urban fantasy is stuff like Dresden Files. Lots of big magic, generally a system that wizards learn and exposit to the reader, and as a genre it tends to be grittier. Magical Realism is more about the realism of human relationships prodded along by a bit of very mysterious and low key magic.
>>18395728
Yeah, Urban Fantasy is way bigger magic

[Anonymous No.18395746]

>>18395728
>urban fantasy, the 'fantasy' elements tend to be more pronounced/obvious, no?
I think it depends on the story. Some urban fantasy are very secretive while others are more open.

[Anonymous No.18395769]

>>18395741
>Magical Realism is more about the realism of human relationships prodded along by a bit of very mysterious and low key magic.
Magic Realism, events just happen, as in dreams. Tchotchkes telling the heroine what to do (Wonderfalls) or the ghost of your father showing up at odd intervals to offer personal and/or professional advice (Due South). Or perhaps it's just a quirky vibe that infuses the environment (Northern Exposure, Twin Peaks). Magical realism is a story that takes place in a realistic setting that is recognizable as the historical past or present. It overlaps with Mundane Fantastic. It has a connection to surrealism, dream logic, and poetry.

[Anonymous No.18395801]

>>18395741
>Urban Fantasy is way bigger magic
And less realistic as well. Hence, magic realism.

[Anonymous No.18395850]

Urban Fantasy is an offshoot of paranormal romance, which is why it confuses people so much.

[Anonymous No.18395864]

>>18395850
>Urban Fantasy is an offshoot of paranormal romance
I could have sworn they were one and the same at some point.

[Anonymous No.18395878]

>>18395864
Nah, the dragon fucking book i read was a pre-modern setting

[Anonymous No.18395895]

>>18395878
Name?

[Anonymous No.18395902]

>>18395895
I don't remember, it's been like a decade and i no longer have the book. Although, i just remembered that i read a kid's book that was really similar, just without the fucking: Dragon's Bait, by Vivian Vande Velde

[Anonymous No.18395911]

>>18395902
>Dragon's Bait, by Vivian Vande Velde
Cover is suggestive, so there’s that.

[Anonymous No.18395925]

>>18395911
I really liked it and all the rest of her work when i was thirteen.

[Anonymous No.18395931]

>>18395925
Would you recommend it for kids? Trying to get my younger cousins into reading.

[Anonymous No.18395999]

>>18395931
Yeah, it's not a dirty book at all. My personal favorite, though, was Heir Apparent, and I think most kids would be drawn in by it

[Anonymous No.18396004]

>>18395693
at least is not anime

[Anonymous No.18396007]

>>18395999
nice trips and thanks.