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Is religious experience no longer possible in the Western world?

>> No.18385389

Only for people with brain damage

>> No.18385412

>>18385372
Well you have to be really young and gullible or clinically stupid, so no.

>> No.18385417

>>18385372
Yes. But idk why

>> No.18385452

>>18385389
You mean it's not possible for people with brain damage or it is?

>> No.18385470

>>18385372
lit....................... literature....................

>> No.18385481

>>18385372
Read Matthew and John and then come back and ask that question.

>> No.18385490

>>18385372
Try spreading avocado on provologne and wrapping it around a pickle. Then you eat it.

>> No.18385499

>>18385372
yeah, take a hit of acid and some DMT at burning man

>> No.18385533

>>18385470
nig....................... nigger....................

>> No.18385545

>>18385470
And philosophy?

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>>18385372
Yes.

>> No.18385554

How do I find a spiritual elder like in brothers k

>> No.18385560

>>18385499
I'd do psychedelics but I'm scared Guenon was right and they're harmful to your soul

>> No.18385578

>>18385545
the.......... the sticky......

>> No.18385586

>>18385554
Orthodox Church

>> No.18385597

>>18385412
Dilate.

>> No.18385677

>>18385470
Sne....................Sneed.......................

>> No.18385705

religious experience, wether you believe its validity or not, has historically had to do with substances or seizures or breath control or aesthetic experiences. people now report the same religious feelings from those as people did then, though they might attribute it to different things.

>> No.18385709

>>18385412
Butterfly, you'll see why our romance is divine :3

>> No.18385712

I feel sorry for you guys.

>> No.18385717

>>18385412
I wish you would die for real.

>> No.18385723

>>18385560
>Guenon was right and they're harmful to your soul
elaborate? where does he say this? I did a fuckload of acid in uni and it fucked me up btw

>> No.18385759

>>18385372
No, people are just pussies. If you take high doses of psychedelics, especially Salvia, DMT or mushrooms you will subjectively experience some kind of revelation. How you interpret that will depend on what you already believe in.

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>>18385412

>> No.18385783

>>18385372
>>18385759

That being said, I'd give Salvia and DMT a miss. If you undergo that ordeal unprepared (i.e. being a literal fucking Shaman who was raised to handle it) you'll probably just end up broken or in a cult.

>> No.18385832

>>18385783
add shrooms to that list. I did shrooms (5 gramms) and I ended up broken. Been having depersonalization/derealization for 5 months now. Drugs were a huge disappointment, although I was an idiot for sure.

>> No.18385873

>>18385832
>I ended up broken. Been having depersonalization/derealization for 5 months now
Get real

>> No.18385879

>>18385873
I wish

>> No.18385906

>>18385372
religious experience is a vulgar and dumbed down form of the poetic experience

>> No.18385912

>>18385906
Literally the opposite

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i pet a cat today and it made me think some things about ultimate reality and all that

>> No.18385943

>>18385920
Based

>> No.18385954

>>18385412
Oh butterfly, it's so alluring adorable, the way you act defiant over things you don't understand. I cant wait till we marry and I teach the wonders of this world.

>> No.18385955

>>18385920
:))

>> No.18385964

>>18385712
why's that anon

>> No.18385991

>>18385832

Shrooms are nowhere near as dangerous as Salvia and DMT, but you still have to consider set and setting, as well as dosage and experience.

Salvia and DMT can completely fuck you up regardless of what you do, they have dissociative properties.

>> No.18386020

>>18385912
asians and even niggers (including iranians and arabs) have a much more developed and varied religious experience than europeans, but their poetry is nowhere near to ours. the medieval mystics where are women and peasants. i think it's pretty clear the difference between poetry and religion in terms of biological hierarchy.
the greeks for instance didn't even bother to pass their religious texts on to us. this is why a well-formed civilization could change religion so fast from the 4th century AD, because in europe only peasants cared and do care.
this is what nietzsche meant when he said : zarathustra is not a prophet or a madman, hear the halcyon tone of his voice.
halcyon (halkyonisch) = poetic

>> No.18386045

>>18386020
>but their poetry is nowhere near to ours
Says you. Rumi is the highest rate most read poet in the west. Religion precedes poetry and highest form poetry is derived from religious experience even in the West, prime example is Paradise Lost. Poetry without the prime mover is dull and bland