/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18382072]

Does anyone else feel a continuous pull towards this book? No matter what I'm interested in, inevitably I feel the urge that I need to read the Quran and understand the Quran and that to not do so is both a harm and a hinderance to my studies.

It just feels so impossible to read and I'm not sure if even reading it would give me the understanding that I'm seeking.
Am I alone in feeling this way?

It's such an important book for billions of people, entire civilisations that were influenced by the Quran and so many thinkers, poets and artists in the past and yet, it's just incredibly boring to get through and I hate myself for feeling this way.

[Anonymous No.18382078]

>>18382072
No, I do not feel such a thing. But then again I'm not a Moslim.

[Anonymous No.18382090]

>>18382078
I suppose it's like the meme of people saying that in order to study English literature you need to start with the King James Version Bible, I dunno...
It's probably retarded

[Anonymous No.18382092]

>>18382072
>Am I alone in feeling this way?
Yep.

[Anonymous No.18382161]

>>18382072
>It's such an important book for billions of people
Millions at best and not necessarily in a good way

[Anonymous No.18382174]

>>18382161
Hmm, that's fair
I just meant the general idea of the Quran in the islamic faith, I'd imagine most people would have heard quranic verses recited though even if they hadn't read or memorised the entire quran

[Anonymous No.18382391]

It’s beautiful when recited, which was how it was originally meant to be absorbed. The word “Quran” literally means The Recital.

https://youtu.be/D6KDxzZTF3c

[Anonymous No.18382412]

>>18382072
>feel a continuous pull
>inevitably I feel the urge
Do you just straight up not know what The Devil is?

[Anonymous No.18382514]

Yes, I have felt it. The continuous pull, to pick this book up.

It shouldn’t be picked up lightly. It should also be thrown out with great force

[Anonymous No.18382587]

I keep feeling the need to read the Book of Mormon not even out of any religious impulse but purely as a literary/historical work.

[Anonymous No.18382771]

>>18382072
No, the Quran is an inferior piece of literature, most Muslims just drone it out in arabic without knowing the contents, there is no value in the Quran you cant find in better books.

[Anonymous No.18382807]

>>18382072
Muslim here. The Qur'an is not meant to be read like most books cover to cover. Though if it's your first time reading it, it might not be a bad idea to do that, just to get familiar with the content. But normally it is best read in small sections slowly and carefully.

[Anonymous No.18382859]

>>18382072
Read Bible instead
Or idk go sit in a forest

[OP No.18382895]

>>18382655

Here's a pastebin to get you started
https://pastebin.com/CKbsaqE0

[Anonymous No.18383029]

I'm looking at getting the study quran, does anyone here know whether I should get the hardback, leather bound or paperback?
I want a sturdy volume but I'm not sure which is best, the prices are $99.5, $77.99 and $105.95 on sale in the previous order

[Anonymous No.18383030]

>>18382072
Have you read the bible?

[Anonymous No.18383301]

DAE think the quran sounds exactly like if Donald Trump tried to recite the bible?

[OP No.18383313]

>>18383029
Any particular reason you prefer the Study Quran to a classical exegesis?

[Anonymous No.18383352]

>>18383313
No reason, I just figure that a tafsir isn't what I want
For example the tafsir in your link is 6600 pages long which is way too long for an atheist who thinks Islam is wrong to spend on first reading

[Anonymous No.18383355]

>>18383313
Not him, but the Study Quran cites the commentaries of multiple classical exegetes.

[Anonymous No.18383378]

>>18382072
Yes, but pretty quickly I lost the pull while actually reading. No beauty really, just manipulation. Not the good feeling Christian kind either.

[OP No.18383389]

>>18383352
I would just by the first volume of it for $20. You will get a lot more out of that than tryna study the whole Quran in one volume

>>18383355
To put it in perspective, imagine a study Bible that cites Newton more than Augustine while basically ignoring Aquinas and Chrysostom. And with most of the commentary being done by someone who would be considered a heretic or infidel for most of history. Also imagine a supposed Christian wrote it but supported Napoleon's puppet monarchy over Spain (which he had a comfortable position under) claiming it is trad and rebellion against it was modernist and abhorrent

[OP No.18383399]

>>18383389
Oh, also imagine the only reason his study Bible gets such extensive coverage, despite his personally lacking the qualifications of a religious scholar, is that the educational facilities under Bonaparte shill it and his newspapers shill it

[Anonymous No.18383416]

>>18383389
Who are the heretical commentators?

[Anonymous No.18383445]

>>18383416
He probably means Shia commentators. This is the anon who frequently posts Wahhabi extremist threads, so no wonder he thinks everyone except ibn Taymiyyah and ibn Abd al-Wahhab are heretical, ignoring the fact that ibn Taymiyyah was put to jail in his own lifetime for heresy.

[Anonymous No.18383457]

>>18383445
Oh ok
Well I'm not interested in Wahhabism

[Anonymous No.18383481]

>>18382072
It's called demonic influence.

[Anonymous No.18383488]

>>18383481
Well I suppose it's the devils fault I find islamic civilisation so interesting lol

[OP No.18384034]

>>18383445
Ibn Taymiyyah was fully acquitted on every single charge of heresy. You are just making yourself look foolish to characterize considering perennialism as heretical to be Wahhabi.

[OP No.18384043]

>>18383416
al-Razi was the one I had in mind when I said Newton

[Anonymous No.18384119]

>>18382072
MUHAMMAD WAS A NABATEAN AND THE VERY FIRST QIBLA WAS TOWARD PETRA AND SO MUCH THINGS ABOUT 'MUHAMMAD' AND 'ISLAM' WERE WRITTEN BY MEN AT LEAST ABOUT 200 YEARS AFTER HIS SUPPOSED DEATH THE WHOLE SHIT HAS SO MANY LIES AND FICTIONS AND EVEN THE QURAN WAS TAMPERED HERE AND THERE IN THE PROCESS BY THESE PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CENTURIES

[Anonymous No.18384238]

>>18383030
Most people fell drown to the quran when the feel they realise that the words of the bible have been corrupted for a long time, so probably (at least that was my case).
Allah be with you, my friend.

[Anonymous No.18384297]

>>18384034
This board is obsessed with Guenon and Evola.

[Anonymous No.18384321]

>>18383488
No just shit taste

[Anonymous No.18384362]

Same but with Bhagavad Gita

[Anonymous No.18384520]

Yes

[Anonymous No.18384831]

I personally prefer Tabatabai's commentary on the Quran.

[Anonymous No.18384925]

>>18384238
If the Bible is a better books then the Quran, in size, quality, diversity of genre's, poetic and dramatic qualities, richness in language, age, depth, wisdom, then the Quran has been altered not the Bible.

[Anonymous No.18384944]

>>18384831
Isn't it like 10 volumes? I'm planning to but it will certainly take a while.

[Anonymous No.18384960]

>>18382072
>Does anyone else feel a continuous pull towards this book?
It's called demonic influence, OP. Go to church.

[Anonymous No.18384987]

You're overthinking it. It's on my to read list more so because I'm interested in authors that were influenced by it such as Rumi and Ibn al-Nafis but you are blowing it way out of proportion and this delusion is hindering your ability to enjoy the work. Maybe you think what you've read so far is boring because you have such high expectations that it can't possibly meet. Not every moment is going to feel enlightening meet the work where it's at instead of where you expect it to be and you'll enjoy it more.

source: I've experienced this with other important works of literature.

[Anonymous No.18386075]

>>18384925
That's the thing, the quran is the best piece of literature known to man, the bible is only decent at time.

[Anonymous No.18386206]

>>18382072
it's because islam is the only true religion

[Anonymous No.18386461]

>>18382072
There are essentially two television series, and one book that will teach you everything you need to know. The best way to start is with some movies that dramatically immerse you into the world of that time, and then to go through and read excerpts of Qu'ran & Hadith.

The first movies I would recommend are these:
>"Muhammad: Messenger of God" (2015) - covers his childhood
>"The Message" (1976) - Covers Muhammads mission after leaving Mecca to Medina


After you get the basic story, you can start looking at Islamic /lit/, and also engaging with partisan materials to understand differences between Sunni/Shia sects.

There are a some good Shi'ite tv series / movies that reproduce an extremely accurate account of the histories because of the accurate historiography of that sect.
>"Mukhtar Nameh" (2010) - 40 ~1hr episodes.
>"Imam Ali" (1997-1998) - 22 ~1hr episodes
>"Ali Nebras" (2010) - Movie 1hr 30mins


The Shi'ite biographic television series titled "Mukhtar Nama" is particularly excellent. Some episodes are available online with english subtitles, but you might have to look around a bit. This series covers the period after the Rashidun Caliphate, and covers the rebellion of Mukhtar Thagafi against the Umayyads. This series does an incredible job of framing the psychology of the era, and the general tenets of the earliest Shi'ite community, and why it has lasted so long.

There is one Sunni source that I would recommend, and that is "Omar" (2012) a 30 episode series that follows the life of one of Muhammad's companions. It is very modern, and frames some interesting episodes of Islamic history. I felt that the historiography felt accurate until Muhammad's death in this series, after that there are many inconsistencies with the shi'ite tradition.

The best book I can recommend on the Islamic tradition is "The hidden secrets of Karbala". But I would advise at least watching Mukhtar Nameh before reading this. It also explains why certain aspects of the "Omar" series are blatant historical fabrications. Watching all of these series, and then engaging with the literature will help you visualize and understand the chronology of early Islamic History.

After that I would recommend a documentary by Dan Gibson titled "The Sacred City", who asserts that Mecca was once located in Petra, Jordan. Engaging these materials will put you within the upper 1% of scholars in Islam today. Even if you don't speak Arabic.

[Anonymous No.18386493]

>>18382072
Is that Hyrule Historia?

[Anonymous No.18386609]

>>18386461
>Shi'ite
>accurate historiography of that sect

[Anonymous No.18386618]

>>18386609
Leave it to a Sunni to post furry pictures...

[Anonymous No.18386623]

>>18386461
pedo prophet.

[Anonymous No.18386647]

>>18386623
This is a myth, Aisha wasn't married until after her menstrual cycle. She was set aside for Muhammad by her father because Muhammad was the most powerful man in Arabia. She wasn't actually brought to the marital bed until after her first menstration, the Hadith makes this very clear. Such a practice was common archaic custom across many cultures.

The only source that says that Muhammad married a 6 or 9 year old Aisha is Aisha herself. There are no other sources that give us her age. She was a spiteful and bitter woman who was losing a war against Muhammad's cousin, so she was trying to frame Muhammad as a pedophile to the young Arab soldiers who were not familiar with him. She was a petty bitch that had a horrible relationship with all of Muhammad's closest friends. Everything that came out of her mouth is suspect.

[Anonymous No.18386661]

>>18386618
If you say so

[Anonymous No.18386694]

>>18386647
This. She was also constantly quarreling even with Muhammad, peace be upon him and his family. She is even admonished by Allah in the Qur'an.

[Anonymous No.18386737]

>>18386694
>>18386647
Sounds like big cope to me.

[Anonymous No.18386776]

>>18386737
This is a hadith of Umar from Sahih Bukhari, Book 6, Volume 60, Hadith 435:

>For the whole year I had the desire to ask 'Umar bin Al-Khattab regarding the explanation of a Verse (in Surat Al-Tahrim) but I could not ask him because I respected him very much. When he went to perform the Hajj, I too went along with him. On our return, while we were still on the way home. 'Umar went aside to answer the call of nature by the Arak trees. I waited till he finished and then I proceeded with him and asked him. "O chief of the Believers! Who were the two wives of the Prophet who aided one another against him?" He said, "They were Hafsa and 'Aisha." Then I said to him, "By Allah, I wanted to ask you about this a year ago, but I could not do so owing to my respect for you." 'Umar said, "Do not refrain from asking me. If you think that I have knowledge (about a certain matter), ask me; and if I know (something about it), I will tell you." Then Umar added, "By Allah, in the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance we did not pay attention to women until Allah revealed regarding them what He revealed regarding them and assigned for them what He has assigned. Once while I was thinking over a certain matter, my wife said, "I recommend that you do so-and-so." I said to her, "What have you got to do with the is matter? Why do you poke your nose in a matter which I want to see fulfilled.?" She said, How strange you are, O son of Al-Khattab! You don't want to be argued with whereas your daughter, Hafsa surely, argues with Allah's Apostle so much that he remains angry for a full day!" 'Umar then reported; how he at once put on his outer garment and went to Hafsa and said to her, "O my daughter! Do you argue with Allah's Apostle so that he remains angry the whole day?" H. afsa said, "By Allah, we argue with him." 'Umar said, "Know that I warn you of Allah's punishment and the anger of Allah's Apostle . . . O my daughter! Don't be betrayed by the one who is proud of her beauty because of the love of Allah's Apostle for her (i.e. 'Aisha)."

Cont.

[Anonymous No.18386781]

>>18386737
>'Umar added, "Then I went out to Um Salama's house who was one of my relatives, and I talked to her. She said, O son of Al-Khattab! It is rather astonishing that you interfere in everything; you even want to interfere between Allah's Apostle and his wives!' By Allah, by her talk she influenced me so much that I lost some of my anger. I left her (and went home). At that time I had a friend from the Ansar who used to bring news (from the Prophet) in case of my absence, and I used to bring him the news if he was absent. In those days we were afraid of one of the kings of Ghassan tribe. We heard that he intended to move and attack us, so fear filled our hearts because of that. (One day) my Ansari friend unexpectedly knocked at my door, and said, "Open Open!' I said, 'Has the king of Ghassan come?' He said, 'No, but something worse; Allah's Apostle has isolated himself from his wives.' I said, 'Let the nose of 'Aisha and Hafsa be stuck to dust (i.e. humiliated)!' Then I put on my clothes and went to Allah's Apostle's residence, and behold, he was staying in an upper room of his to which he ascended by a ladder, and a black slave of Allah's Apostle was (sitting) on the first step. I said to him, 'Say (to the Prophet ) 'Umar bin Al-Khattab is here.' Then the Prophet admitted me and I narrated the story to Allah's Apostle. When I reached the story of Um Salama, Allah's Apostle smiled while he was lying on a mat made of palm tree leaves with nothing between him and the mat. Underneath his head there was a leather pillow stuffed with palm fibres, and leaves of a saut tree were piled at his feet, and above his head hung a few water skins. On seeing the marks of the mat imprinted on his side, I wept. He said.' 'Why are you weeping?' I replied, "O Allah's Apostle! Caesar and Khosrau are leading the life (i.e. Luxurious life) while you, Allah's Apostle though you are, is living in destitute". The Prophet then replied. 'Won't you be satisfied that they enjoy this world and we the Hereafter?' "

[Anonymous No.18386870]

>>18382072

[Anonymous No.18386928]

>>18386647
Buddy I remember girls getting their periods in the fifth grade

[Anonymous No.18386943]

>>18386928
Around the age of 12 is fairly normal. Archaic people did not have taboos around this. As soon as a woman menstruated she could begin producing children. Personally, I think it's gross, but this was universal custom from Europe, to Africa, to Asia all through the antique world. Particularly if the male suitor was very wealthy, fathers would try to lock in those marriages as quickly as possible because it meant political influence & power.

Boomer midwits have no comprehensive basis for understanding this epoch of history. The mindset and moral compass was completely different than it is today.

[Anonymous No.18386971]

>>18386870
>we shall produce a thousand similar
well?

[Anonymous No.18387237]

>>18382072
I want to read it.......so I can shit on Mudslimes.

[Anonymous No.18387777]

>>18382391
An ode to the demiurge.

[Anonymous No.18388238]

>>18382072
No.

[Anonymous No.18388399]

>>18382072
Read The Bible before reading The Quran

[Anonymous No.18388429]

>>18388399
Why?
I'm not currently interested in the literature that the Bible inspired or influenced so what's the point?

[Anonymous No.18388440]

>>18384238
You do know there were multiple versions of the Quran, right? The Bible is better preserved because it was widespread, unlike any other book.

[Anonymous No.18388560]

>>18388429
ummm maybe because the Bible influenced the Koran

[Anonymous No.18388570]

>>18388560
It really wasn't

[Anonymous No.18388973]

>>18382078
This.

[Anonymous No.18388983]

>>18388570
>>18388560
...?

The Bible is required reading if you are a muslim. Especially if you are a Quranist, who believes in the Quran.

You need to match up the events of the Bible with the events of the Quran, because some of the events of the Bible are told in more detail in the Quran, which gives further proof to its authenticity :3

[Anonymous No.18388998]

>>18388983
?
I'm not a muslim, I think Islam is wrong