/sffg/ - Science fiction and Fantasy general

[Anonymous No.18363025]

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[Anonymous No.18363033]

sex books

[Anonymous No.18363052]

video games

[Anonymous No.18363058]

oh my god i love japanese video game girls so much

[Anonymous No.18363061]

Cuckoldry

[Anonymous No.18363082]

So, which self-publish book would /sffg/ recommend first to buy? I want to support self-publish authors, especially if they write fantasy and science fiction novels.

[Anonymous No.18363083]

Teach classical fantasy to your children or risk them turning into children of the rainbow by the state.

[Anonymous No.18363093]

>>18363082
Why not read literally anything else?

[Anonymous No.18363099]

>>18363083
You mean teach them good science fiction or risk them turning into magic pony believers?

[Anonymous No.18363109]

>>18363083
literally just don't be american and your children will turn out fine

it's better to let kids foster their own interest in literature anyway

[Anonymous No.18363116]

>>18363099
>good science fiction
Don't let your children become materialists. Materialism is a pathway to anti-natalism and suicide.

[Anonymous No.18363138]

>>18363082
I've been liking Soulship.

[Anonymous No.18363139]

>>18363116
Science fiction doesn't have to be materialistic. Don't believe the lies of those who would remove fantastical from science fiction under guise of *hard sci fi is better*. All that hides is laziness of writing a contemporary world with a flashy gimmick.

[Anonymous No.18363149]

>>18363139
All that *hard sci fi* hides*

[Anonymous No.18363224]

any books set in a fantasy or science fiction version of the gaza strip?

[Anonymous No.18363284]

>>18363025
>>18363058
kys

[Anonymous No.18363354]

>>18363284
seethe

[Anonymous No.18363361]

>>18363058
Baste

[Anonymous No.18363373]

If you haven't read all the classics then you shouldn't post on /lit/. This thread is a good example of this simple rule.

[Anonymous No.18363427]

>>18363373
I have read all the classics, that's why I've moved on to other stuff

[Anonymous No.18363449]

>>18363373
If you have read all the classics then you shouldn't be posting on /lit/. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.18363489]

Which will release first?
>Winds of Winter
>Doors of Stone
>Thorne of Emberlain

[Anonymous No.18363600]

>>18363489
winds of winter then thorne of emberlain
doors of stone isn't real

[Anonymous No.18363659]

>>18363600
Winds of Winter cannot be released by a fat aging man who has too much money, real life engagements and fans to sit down and mull over a convoluted plotline involving BILLIONS of point of view characters.

[Anonymous No.18363678]

>>18363659
yes it can.

[Anonymous No.18363680]

>>18363600
Rothfuss won't write Doors of Stone until Trump is in prison or something so it'll never happen. Thorn of Emberlain comes in October of this year and Winds of Winter is the one that's fake.

[Anonymous No.18363683]

>>18363082
Thank you for this anon, these look fun if nothing else.

On my part I have read Everybody Loves Large Chests and was pleasantly surprised - it really is a bait and switch with a mimic protagonist instead of just being about large booba in general, and it's fun to read from this perspective. It's also fun to see the author compare all the girls to prostitutes in appearance which filtered the fuck out of basically his entire female readership.

[Anonymous No.18363693]

>>18363678
The definition if insanity is to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.

GRRM fans have been insisting the book is right around the corner for years on end. You are all insane if you believe the book is actually coming. Winter has passed. It's June. Wake up, your family misses you, you're in a coma right now Jake.

[Anonymous No.18363737]

>>18363693
I'm not a grrm fan, but I have more faith in him than the competition simply cause I think he actually wants to finish. fatter and older men than him have finished books

[Anonymous No.18363898]

>>18363683
I personally got super sales.

[Anonymous No.18363952]

>>18363683
Isn’t that story free on Royal Road? Is there a difference between the Amazon and royal road one?

[Anonymous No.18363999]

>>18363952
I've only read the Royal Road version. To my understanding the amazon version cuts down on some of the sex/gore. (It gets surprisingly extreme at points).

[Anonymous No.18364002]

Thoughts on web serials?

[Anonymous No.18364007]

>>18364002
pretty cool

[Anonymous No.18364011]

Finished Fool's Fate.
After they got off the boat, the rest of the book was very good. Or once, Robin Hobb had enough material to justify the length. So the pacing was pretty good. The story went in unexpected directions. The ending was more happy than what I anticipated. It was pretty much a "happily ever after." The development of Fitz Chivalry made a lot of sense. That stuff about accepting your memories, and learning how to find order for your pain, and how if you try to close parts of yourself off you end up living a half life was all too true.

All said, I enjoyed it a lot. I'm glad I read it. Now with that being said, I refuse to read The Rain Wild Chronicles. I don't want anymore to do with dragons and their spinning eyes, or talking boats. And I don't want to read the next Ftiz trilogy either. I feel like his story came to a neat end. Why write more? It would be more interesting to hear about other characters from that world. Nettle, Swift, or even Rosemary. Fitz himself isn't a good character. And I'm afraid that Robin Hobb has explored this theme of addiction and rehabilitation as far as she can. If she continues the theme, then it will just be intolerable. And if she doesn't continue the theme, then we're stuck with raw Fitz, who is intolerable.

So now I'm stuck with nothing to read again.

[Anonymous No.18364017]

>>18364007
Thanks fren

[None !SFFG.n1h7M No.18364173]

>>18363025
The Lies of Locke Lamora, Gentleman Bastard #1 - Scott Lynch (2006)
I had dropped this when I first looked at it, but then I read it as a group read. I made it through the prologue this time, which at least a few have described as being very much a stumbling block to reading it, and finished the book. This wasn't a case where I felt like I was particularly missing out. Although it's a relatively well read and rated book by /sffg/, I don't find myself agreeing with the consensus opinion.
The setting is roughly 1600s not-Italy, as it doesn't take place on Earth. There's magic, and it's quite powerful, and very much regulated by its practitioners, not by governments.
As the protagonist is a thief, there's a focus on thievery, specifically of the con artist variety. I would've preferred the book to have been exclusively about these sort of schemes, but it wasn't. The narrative becomes too entangled in gang warfare and vengeance.
The story is presented through a split temporal narrative. One is the early years of the protagonist and in the other he's in his mid-twenties. These past interludes didn't add much to the story for me and I would've preferred in this case to have had a single narrative as it created problems of momentum for me. Because of this narrative choice, reading it felt like I was alternating between reading a novel and a collection of short works, as the interlude are not continuous and seem to have little overall relation to the present. Mostly they are to either justify what happens so that plot points don't "appear out of nowhere" or to provide "color" as it were to the world. This is fine, but surely there was a better way to accomplish both of these.
There were various times where I couldn't help but groan at how ridiculous some scenes were. I can only assume they were intended for a tv/movie adaptation and that they would look cool there at the expense of everything else. However, there were various parts that I enjoyed well enough, mostly when it focused on on details and deigned to focus on its supposed primary draw, the cons, but it wasn't nearly enough for me. This is to say that it was very uneven in most every way, which is unfortunate. There were so many baffling decisions that were made, one of which is consistently mentioning a character and how important they are but they never appear in the story, not even in the past interludes where the character really ought to have been.
The books after the first supposedly aren't as enjoyable if I'm to believe the random poster(s) in here, though that isn't supported by the ratings in the group. I'll probably eventually read more from this series, but I don't have high expectations and it's not a priority. It's a shame that I didn't read this in 2006, as I have little doubt that I would've enjoyed a good bit more at the time. I'll have to find books that are similar, but more enjoyable.
Rating: 3.5/5 (rounded down on GR)

[Anonymous No.18364200]

>>18364011
>All said, I enjoyed it a lot. I'm glad I read it. Now with that being said, I refuse to read The Rain Wild Chronicles. I don't want anymore to do with dragons and their spinning eyes, or talking boats. And I don't want to read the next Ftiz trilogy either.
autism

[Anonymous No.18364214]

Does sci-fi sell? I've got the inspiration for a sci-fi book I'd like to write kicking around in my brain but I've written some successful high fantasy junk that people really like and I had fun with, so I'm not sure if I should take the plunge or not.

[Anonymous No.18364237]

savage divinity is the best royalroad series by far
>>18364214
I don't think it does

[Anonymous No.18364248]

>>18364214
For any artistic endeavor the vast amount of fame and profit go to a scarce few. Luckily, today more people than every before in the history of the Earth can make a living by writing. Why not you too?

[Anonymous No.18364262]

>>18364248
did you miss the
> but I've written some successful high fantasy junk that people really like and I had fun with, so I'm not sure if I should take the plunge or not.
? or can you just not read?

[Anonymous No.18364270]

>>18364262
>high school fantasy junk
>successful

[Anonymous No.18364318]

>>18364270
successful is successful. harry potter might not be high lit but it's inarguably successful. obviously financial viablitiy is the main concern, otherwise anon wouldn't be asking if sci-fi sells, if someone is seeking advice you should be respectful enough to give it on their terms.

[Anonymous No.18364330]

>>18364214
Define "successful"

[Anonymous No.18364371]

>>18364330
I wrote it in a bit over a month and made 7k before the next and might see another 3.5 if sales hit a certain number before this month is done with, though I won't see royalties until then. It's still good for something I did in a month of spare time at my own pace.

I get decent amounts of positive feedback and I'm probably going to set up a paymetreon or some gay shit.

[Anonymous No.18364429]

>>18364318
>>18364237
Thanks for giving me an actual answer.

[Anonymous No.18364452]

>>18364429
you're welcome babe

[Anonymous No.18364489]

>>18364371
Can i read it?? UwU

[Anonymous No.18364534]

>>18363025
Read
JJ Egosi

[Anonymous No.18364567]

>>18363693
That's not the definition of insanity. Maybe obstinate or bullheaded, but not insanity.

[Anonymous No.18364577]

>>18364567
Anon...

[Anonymous No.18364579]

>>18364577
he's doing it on purpose and you just fell for it

[Anonymous No.18364672]

Is there any fantasy that does the magical academy trope well? No Rothfuss thank you, I know it's a meme on here to pretend he's good to trick people into reading him but I'm just looking for comfy magic high school/college hijinks and not cuck porn thank you.

[Anonymous No.18364677]

>>18364672
>not cuck porn
leave this place at once

[Anonymous No.18364688]

working on my next book heres a sneak peek at the magic system

[Anonymous No.18364696]

>>18364688
That looks cheesy as fuck.

[Anonymous No.18364706]

>>18364688
How many times does it have to happen before you increase in rank?

[Anonymous No.18364709]

>>18364688
they play poker?

[Anonymous No.18364723]

>>18364709
they play, just not poker

[Anonymous No.18364726]

>>18364709
Oh sweet summer child. Never change.

[Anonymous No.18364734]

>>18364672
wizard of earthsea, it's not a huge part of the story though.

[Anonymous No.18364755]

>>18364688
Why are you plagiarizing Bakker? Get something new thief.

[Anonymous No.18364793]

>>18364688
Each school of magic derives power from different sexual fetishes. The most powerful of all is the cuck.

[Anonymous No.18364813]

sometimes I see sffg shit on a book I like and I'm like "shit, do they know something I don't? am I an idiot for liking this?" and then I see their reasoning, and realize that they're significantly more retarded than me

[Anonymous No.18364835]

>>18364813
I mean, look at this website, you have to be a bit retarded to even find your way back here on a regular basis

[Anonymous No.18364843]

>>18364688

[Anonymous No.18364844]

>>18364835
yeah, but I am a bit retarded too, that's why I give people the benefit of the doubt they might be less retarded than me

[Anonymous No.18364848]

>>18364844
in reality we're all equally retarded, just in different ways

[Anonymous No.18365087]

why do his currrent covers look so soulless?

[Anonymous No.18365094]

>>18365087

[Anonymous No.18365105]

>>18365087
>tfw started buying the UK hardcovers
>all my SA books are in the shitty gollancz sleeves now when the original american covers are much better

[Anonymous No.18365113]

>>18365105
oh wow, the difference in quality

[Anonymous No.18365124]

>>18364371
For being self-published, yes, but since you say royalties, I don't know what you mean. Romance and erotica sell the most by far. There are plenty of sales charts you can consult. Sci-fi sells less than fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18365145]

>>18365087
>why do his currrent covers look so soulless?
It's a mirror of his works.

[Anonymous No.18365155]

>>18365105
they both look like trash

[Anonymous No.18365224]

Reminder to read Mother of Necessity if you haven't.

[Anonymous No.18365234]

>>18365224
sell me on it

[Anonymous No.18365255]

>>18364173
Everything you describe is accurate, except for me, I found the disjointed flashbacks enjoyable. Didn't mind the direction the plot took either.
Obviously I liked the book more than you did.

Some of the criticism must be symptoms of the being planned out as a series, indeed two books follow and in the 3rd the character you mentioned being talked about, appears!
This was handled weirdly/poorly, I'll be the first to admit. Talking about his love interest so much just for her not to appear and Locke don't wanting to deal with any other women for 2 books.
Comes of as the silliest case of "the not gays" I've seen in modern literature (doubt that was the intention)

The book is also freaky in that it dedicated so much time to making a believable world, worldbuiling. And I don't mean the magic/alchemy ancient aliens things.
But rather describing the politics of the nobles, the rules of the gangs, the locations and functions in not-Italy and it's people. It was all very interesting to me.
World comes of as so very real, it's fucking WEIRD when the characters confront each other and acts over the top, like characters in a play conveniently delivering their lines, for maximum dramatic effect.
Gave me cognitive dissonance

[Anonymous No.18365268]

This reads like a novel. With music. Sound effects. I don't know about you guys, but I have trouble visualizing an apple in my head. Like I cannot even see the shape when I close my eyes and try my best. Literature has been hard since I was in school, never even finished any of the reading assignments. But now, now I have finally seen the light and they are Visual Novels. Very inclusive genre and I would like to argue for their inclusion in this thread from now on. Fantasy, Science Fiction and Visual Novels General.

[Anonymous No.18365276]

FUCK PATRICK ROTHFUSS

[Anonymous No.18365281]

>>18365268
>trouble visualizing an apple in my head.
for me it's like I'm watching a movie as I read
I feel my mind slowly go into auto pilot as my brain takes in the words and constructs it vividly into a scene in my mind

[Anonymous No.18365305]

>>18365234
It's a time loop fiction. Like Groundhog day but with magic. A young magic academy student finds himself stuck in and has to grow and discover the meaning behind it all.
Basically the best bits of progression fiction, that wish fulfillment itch, that revisiting of old challenges that are now trivial due to personal growth. Functional writing, nothing flowery or overwrought. Self-consistent power systems. No YA romance or the like. The protagonist always goes for the most efficient route or something close. In many fictions of power growth there's often a case where the protagonist grows very inefficiently, fails to use his power appropriately, or is just outright stupid for narrative convenience. This is not the case here. It's a protagonist with no special gift but discipline, and smarts, and a great deal of time.

Originally published on RR, it's finished and has been compiled into a pdf, mobi, and epub for easy reading.

[Anonymous No.18365309]

>>18365268
yeah I liked this but it got a bit overly miserable. grit is nice but no one was really endearing.

[Anonymous No.18365314]

>>18365305
sounds interesting, how long is the loop, or is it a do it till you die kind of loop

[Anonymous No.18365315]

*cucks you*

[Anonymous No.18365321]

>>18365305
that's mother of learning, not mother of necessity. and yeah, it's comfy.
>>18365314
a month

[Anonymous No.18365333]

>>18365309
Favorite character? At least for the family I had a soft spot for Nathan and his prophet route. Other than that, the leader of the chancellery was fun.

[Anonymous No.18365380]

>>18365276
PATRICK DOOFUS

[Anonymous No.18365405]

>>18365314
>>18365321
Shit right, Necessity is the Mother of Learning is how the idiom goes, the title is Mother of Learning.

The long term length of the loop is a spoiler; each loop is a month long.

[Anonymous No.18365411]

The Hobbit seems too violent to be a children's book. You have giant bears tearing off goblin heads and putting them on spikes and Gandalf shooting lightning bolts out of his asshole and setting wolves on fire.

[Anonymous No.18365414]

reading Codex Alera
the girl kissed my uncle

[Anonymous No.18365440]

>>18365333
gotta admit I stopped reading after I caught up, which at the time was right around when they broke the timeloop. I like zach, it's retard hero character done in a non-obnoxious way to me. also I liked zorian at the end, to me he came off as the author having flawed sensibilities, but at the end I really appreciated that he started out kinda shitty so he had room to grow as a person.

[Anonymous No.18365447]

>>18365333
>>18365440
wait shit I got people mixed up, I thought you were the mother of learning guy. fuck fuck fuck I have made a fool of myself.
I liked the brother guy, he turned out less of a douche than I expected.

[Anonymous No.18365453]

In my opinion, I recommend against reading Mother of Learning. It's got a solid foundation for sure, but three critical flaws that bring it down from greatness to something that's barely passible:

First, the lack of focus in the narrative. This is what really kills it for me. You could really call the bulk of MoL just an extremely extended training montage. There is some enjoyment to be derived from the protagonist grinding his power up, but it gets really tiring to read literally 500,000-some words in a row with almost no plot development. An absolutely staggering amount of time is spent on the MC powering himself up while doing nothing of consequence. It's kind of like "grinding in JRPGs: a narrative." This causes knock-on problems where despite being a month long, many loops are written off entirely, like "I spent 3 loops training my X skill," which is essentially three months hand-waved away. This shit happens constantly, and so it feels hard to be connected to the narrative at all. The author really likes to retroactively say "Oh, I tried X in a past loop and Y happened," which feels shallow. You miss so, so, so much from the protagonist's journey and yet you see with hyper focus t he immense amount of time he spends grinding.

Two, the lack of good characters. Pretty much every character in the work is forgettable or shallow, with only a few "secrets" to their name which exist to be uncovered as the loop progresses (primary example being his little sister). It could have been worse, but it's really staggering how you can find yourself so deep into MoL and like basically none of the characters. His hardass mentor Xvim is about the only likeable character, because he's the only one with a strong personality. Zach is affable, I guess, but there's basically nothing going on in his head at any given time. To be clear, none of the characters are offensively bad, they're just forgettable and not particularly likeable. You're never excited to see a character, nor is it ever hype to see the protagonist pick away at them over the loops - except Xvim, that is. Xvim is well and truly based.

Three, the terrible ending. It is a universally accepted fact that MoL's ending is terrible. People simply did not want to believe the ending was what it was. The author spends the entire work building up an admittedly compelling mystery for one character, and the answer to that mystery is so jaw-droppingly disappointing it boggles the mind. I can't say more for spoilers, but the more invested you get in the story, the more burned you're likely to get by the ending.

In conclusion, MoL is pretty disappointing. It's really good at grabbing you at the start, but then it just wears you down with a bunch of grinding and disappointing developments. I would really like to see more "time loop" fiction in the vein of MoL that learns from its mistake and has a much more focused narrative, better characters, and genuine payoff to the mysteries.

[Anonymous No.18365503]

>>18365453
>but it gets really tiring to read literally 500,000-some words in a row with almost no plot development.
there's very little of his training montage that doesn't play into establishing important characters that play into the end-game plot? I can see why someone would not like the very slow pacing(I personally like slow pacing) but it's not like there's all that much straight up fluff, it is all with overarching intent. and surely it's good that they handwave away stuff that's non-crucial to the plot, isn't that what you just claimed it shouldn't focus on?
I never finished it so I can't speak for the endings quality, but I got close enough that pretty much everything I remember reading getting reintegrated.
I will say it's not amazing, it's firmly in the b-tier of royal road fiction, I'd say the only ones I consider a-tier are savage divinity and maybe delve(even though the hero is a fucking soiboi)

[Anonymous No.18365597]

>>18365503
Admittedly, the concept of "plot development" is fairly loose, particularly when discussing time loops where any concrete progress is reset at the end of the month. However, what I'm trying to talk about in particular is... the feeling of events being meaningful, perhaps? Think of it like this. Zorian is immediately presented with some very serious issues: The invasion, the interference of Red Robe, and the specifics of the time loop, to summarize. With these three major things blasted in your face, you want to see meaningful progress on them, and we can kind of conceptualize the "plot" to be Zorian tackling these issues in particular. The result, however, is far from that. The "invasion" is largely solved offscreen with little protagonist involvement, Red Robe is a literal non-character that almost never shows up or is faced directly aside from the one instance at the end of Book 1, and almost the entirety of MoL is dedicated to him lazily "solving the specifics of the time loop" (the least interesting of the issues fwiw) in the background of his training montage. After running away from Red Robe at the end of Book 1, we have basically a whole arc of him wandering the countryside and accumulating information. I don't mind the "slow pace" of this, but it's hard to view this extremely languid power grinding and information accumulation has particularly strong "plot development." And that's basically the bulk of the work, since Red Robe is a terrible non-character.

My ideal version of MoL, and to be fair I recognize I'm basically being a smug fuck who's claiming to know better than the author here, is one with a much more intense battle of wits between the MC and Red Robe. Every loop should matter, no hand-waving away literally months and months (early on in the story, he says "I went through 4 more loops", and just like that there's a 4 month time skip right at the start of the story), every day of every loop should be important to the story (barring of the course the classic narrative consideration of cutting travel time and the characters shitting in the bathroom or whatever). The disjointed feeling that arises in MoL as the author constantly time-skips and drags his feet through barely relevant training sequences absolutely killed it for me, and there was basically no tension for the entire work as a result. All that MoL gains for its time skipping is a "realistic" growth of power, but the costs are way too high in my opinion.

They're very different works, but I think the classic work of Japanese literature Re:Zero shows a much better execution of time loops in fantasy fiction. Every loop in Re:Zero matters, there's always intense conflict between the MC and the antagonists in the loop, there's no literal months handwaved away as he trains in sword-fighting or magic or whatever, etc.

[Anonγmous No.18365625]

can someone explain to me the impetus behind making the Tleilaxu a separate group from the IXians?
is it something that comes into play after God Emperor?

[Anonymous No.18365671]

>>18365625
>is it something that comes into play after God Emperor?
Yeah, the Tleilax is expanded upon in Heretics
Ixians stay the I Fucking Love Science dudes all the way and are generally more open to exchanges, while the Bene Tleilax are gigaparanoid autists who perfected biotech.

[Anonγmous No.18365704]

>>18365671
>Yeah, the Tleilax is expanded upon in Heretics
>Ixians stay the I Fucking Love Science dudes all the way and are generally more open to exchanges
that's kinda disappointing, I wanted to see what sort of threat the IXians could cook up

[Anonymous No.18365751]

>>18364672

[Anonymous No.18365764]

>>18365276
Honestly yea fuck this guy, gimme the third book asshole

[Anonymous No.18365782]

>>18364672
Interested in any answers to this as well

[Anonymous No.18365903]

>>18364672
>>18365782
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26892110-the-library-at-mount-char
Really weird and dark.

[Anonymous No.18365915]

>>18365411
it was a different time.

[Here's your Cosmere adaptation(...) No.18365921]

Kelsier from Mistborn in Fortnite
Kelsier from Mistborn in Fortnite
Kelsier from Mistborn in Fortnite

[Anonymous No.18365935]

>>18365921
That design could be straight out of any Star Wars media released in the last 30 years.

[Anonymous No.18365940]

>>18365921
I didn't think most Fortnite players would be literate

[Anonγmous No.18365944]

>>18365935
just like Sanderon's writing

[Anonymous No.18365961]

>>18365903
Interesting, thank you anon

[Anonymous No.18365964]

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck Pay Walls
Fuck Pay Pigs
Fuck starting a blog and not keeping your word
Fuck Incommunicado
Fuck Delays
Fuck Excuses
Fuck You.

[Anonymous No.18366036]

>>18365921
gonna cry? shit and piss hmm?

[Anonymous No.18366048]

>>18365940
The 12 year olds who play Fortnite also happen to be Sandersoy's primary demographic.

[Anonymous No.18366057]

like a song of ice and fire, what are some fantasy series that aren't afraid to kill off main characters? want something where no one is safe and plot armor can only take you so far

[Anonymous No.18366108]

>>18365315
>You have been measured, and found lacking.

[Anonymous No.18366109]

>>18366036
kek

[Anonymous No.18366124]

Would you guys be interested in reading my novel in progress? It’s high fantasy with a touch of gnosticism.

[Anonymous No.18366140]

>>18366048
sandersoy demographic is 20-35 redditors

[Anonymous No.18366169]

>>18366048
That would explain their reactions when they are confronted with more mature themes like cuckoldry and homosexuality.

[Anonymous No.18366187]

I never visit this general but it reaffirms my thoughts on 4chan general threads.

[Anonymous No.18366193]

Don't care.

[Anonymous No.18366238]

Dead thread

[Anonymous No.18366242]

Any books got an Earthbound vibe to them?
I don't mean just some whimsical adventure. The kids are pretty fleshed out and their PSI abilities are pretty well understood but a lot of the other things aren't explained quite so well but the go well with the theme anyway. Like the soundstone and all the singing, and Moonside, and the End of Time.
Hmm... Maybe I do mean just some whimsical adventure.

[Anonymous No.18366283]

>>18366242

[Anonymous No.18366288]

>>18366238
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.18366302]

>>18365105
I've learned to stop caring about editions after a few authors decided to write an additional book in a series I've already finished.
No way I'm wasting time and money to have the whole Dark Tower series from the same edition .

[Anonymous No.18366304]

Why does Sanderson trigger midwits so much?

[Anonymous No.18366318]

>>18366302
at this point I'm just gonna wait for the box sets

[Anonymous No.18366332]

>Why does Sanderson trigger midwits so much?

[Anonymous No.18366334]

>>18366057
every story has plot armor. asoiaf is just very good at hiding it.

[Anonymous No.18366338]

>>18366332
>this fat
>vegan
physically impossible.

[Anonymous No.18366354]

>>18366338
Modern vegans are doing it for morals instead of being accidentally vegan because of health. You get the same with keto retards.
>UMA DELICIA BACON, CHEESE AND EGGS

[Anonymous No.18366361]

>>18366338
Try only eating Oreos, Chips and Pepsi and you will see.

[Anonγmous No.18366365]

Ghanima is best Dune girl, FACT!!!

[Anonymous No.18366366]

>>18366361
Oreos aren't vegan

[Anonymous No.18366385]

>>18366366
>Oreos aren't vegan
I will wait while you google it.

[Anonymous No.18366387]

>>18366385
Not who you're talking to, but they're not vegan.

[Anonymous No.18366395]

>>18366385
I googled it, and I said that because I thought the filling was dairy or marshmallow based
but nah, the only thing not vegan about Oreos is that they come into cross-contact with milk. So you're consuming tiny, microscopic amounts of milk.

[Anonymous No.18366401]

>>18366387
>>18366395
https://twitter.com/peta/status/971071761436561410

I accept your defeat.

[Anonymous No.18366408]

>>18366401
Why would I believe PETA, who loves to lie and kill animals all year long when I can just check the Oreo site?
https://www.oreo.co.uk/faq

>Are OREO cookies suitable for vegans?
>No, OREO have milk as cross contact and therefore they are not suitable for vegans.
I do not accept your defeat, as I do not care whether either of us knows about Oreos.

[Anonymous No.18366633]

>>18366169
Cuckoldry isn't a mature theme it's a shitty fetish.

[Anonymous No.18366676]

>>18366057
Joe abercrombie

[Anonymous No.18366787]

>>18365087
His current artists arent as skilled or adventurous/stylized as that artist
Plus that cover unfortunately didnt sell well compared to the retarded ya cover

[Anonymous No.18366842]

>>18365268
aphantasia?

[Anonymous No.18366863]

>>18363082
Crimson Queen trilogy was pretty good.

[Anonymous No.18366892]

[Anonymous No.18366893]

>>18366057
>asoiaf
>not afraid of killing mcs
>cat is like literally the only POV character to die since Ned and even she came back to life
ASOIAF’s rep for killing characters is almost entirely due to the TV show killing off non POV characters who were more important on the show, POV characters do not die.

[Anonymous No.18366933]

*tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.18366998]

>>18366893
>>cat is like literally the only POV character to die since Ned and even she came back to life
Jon

[Anonymous No.18367005]

>>18363025
>Sanderson makes /lit/ cucks seethe simply by existing

Yeah I’m thinking he’s based

[Anonymous No.18367009]

>>18367005
Based on what?

[Anonymous No.18367016]

>>18367005
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.18367020]

>>18367009
RAFO :)

[Anonymous No.18367021]

>>18367016
I am the one who quotes.

[Anonymous No.18367065]

I am the one who cucks.

[Anonymous No.18367068]

>>18364200
Obsessively finishing every series you start is surely a sign of mental issues. A normal person stops reading when he wants.

[Anonymous No.18367075]

>>18364237
The best story in there is Beware Of Chicken.

[Anonymous No.18367081]

HIGH FANTASY: A READING GVIDE

FOVNDATIONAL WORKS
>The Odyssey (Homer, 8BC)
>Metamorphosis (Ovid, 8AD)
>One Thousand and One Nights, or the Arabian Nights (Unknown)

PROTO-FANTASY
>Phantastes: A Fairie Romance for Men and Women (George MacDonald, 1858)
>The Well at World’s End (William Morris, 1896)
>The Gods of Pegana (Lord Dunsany, 1905)
>The Worm Ouroboros (E.R. Eddison, 1922)

THE EARLY PERIOD
>The Conan the Barbarian stories (Robert E. Howard, 1932-1936)
>The Jirel of Joiry stories (C.L. Moore, 1934-1939)
>The Hobbit: Or There and Back Again (J.R.R. Tolkien, 1937)
>The Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser stories (Fritz Leiber, 1939-1988)

THE CLASSICAL PERIOD
>Titus Groan (Mervyn Peake, 1946) & Gormenghast (Mervyn Peake, 1950)
>The Dying Earth (Jack Vance, 1950)
>The Broken Sword (Poul Anderson, 1954)
>The Lord of the Rings (J.R.R. Tolkien, 1954-55)

THE LATE CLASSICAL PERIOD
>The Elric of Melnibone stories (Michael Moorcock, 1961-)
>A Wizard of Earthsea (Ursula K Le Guin, 1968)
>Deryni Rising (Katherine Kurtz, 1970)
>The Chronicles of Amber series (Rodger Zelanzny, 1970-1991)
>The Riddle-Master of Hed (Patricia A. McKillip, 1976)

THE MIDDLE PERIOD
>The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, the Unbeliever series (Stephen R. Donaldson, 1977-79)
>The Book of the New Sun series (Gene Wolfe, 1980-83)
>The Belgariad series (David Eddings, 1982-84)
>Magician (Raymond E. Feist, 1982)
>The Lyonesse Trilogy (Jack Vance, 1982-90)
>The Black Company (Glen Cook, 1984)
>Legend (David Gemmell, 1984)

THE EARLY MODERN PERIOD
>Dragon Prince (Melanie Rawn, 1988)
>The Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn series (1988-93, Tad Williams)
>Tigana (Guy Gavriel Kay, 1990)
>The Wheel of Time series (1990-2013, Robert Jordan & Brandon Sanderson)
>A Song of Ice and Fire series (only the first three books) (George R.R. Martin, 1991-2000)
>The Last Wish (Andrzej Sapkowski, 1993)
>The Monarchies of God series (Paul Kearney, 1995-2003)
>The Farseer Trilogy (Robin Hobb, 1995-1997)
>The Malazan Book of the Fallen series (Steven Erikson, 1999-2011)

THE MODERN PERIOD
>The Blade Itself (Joe Abercrombie, 2006)
>The Lies of Locke Lamora (Scott Lynch, 2006)
>The Name of the Wind (Patrick Rothfuss, 2007)
>The Mistborn trilogy (Brandon Sanderson, 2006-2008)
>The Broken Earth trilogy (N.K. Jemisin, 2015-2017)

[Anonymous No.18367092]

>>18367081
>modern period
>magumbocore

[Anonymous No.18367094]

>>18367081
Boy that modern list is fucking terrible

[Anonymous No.18367111]

>>18367081
That Modern Period
;;;/

[Anonymous No.18367119]

>>18365224
>>18365305
>>18365321
It was really boring in the middle. 6/10 overall.

[Anonymous No.18367133]

>>18367092
>>18367094
>>18367111
NEW BAD OLD GOOD

[Anonymous No.18367142]

>>18367133
Not particularly, but those particular books are bad. I don't fault them their place assuming this is a lousy of influence, it's just a shame that the good options aren't better marketed

[Anonymous No.18367151]

>>18365305
>Originally published on RR
It was published on fiction press. A dead website.

[Anonymous No.18367164]

>>18365503
It's pretty funny to me that you defend the story despite not liking it enough to at least finish it.

[Anonymous No.18367169]

>>18367142
what are these "good options"?

[Anonymous No.18367184]

>>18367081
Add R Scott Bakker, The Prince of Nothing and the Second Apocalypse to the Modern period, you nitwit.

Or better yer, give Based Bakker his own category: APOTHEOSIS OF THE FANTASY GENRE.

[Anonymous No.18367197]

>>18367184
Bakker already has a category. It's called cuck porn.

[Anonymous No.18367221]

>>18367197
>You have been measured, and found wanting.

[Anonymous No.18367233]

>>18367221
>Only the biggest cocks for my wife.

[Anonymous No.18367237]

>>18366408
look up what cross contact means
it only means it's produced using machines that may come into contact with non-vegan stuff, the term is mostly used for allergies where it actually makes at least a bit of sense
i don't know any vegan who goes quite that far in their retardation

[Anonymous No.18367243]

>>18366242
None, then?
Any decent books about psychic powers at all?

[Anonymous No.18367250]

>>18366338
Oreo's and french fries are vegan.

[Anonymous No.18367257]

>>18367243
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56616571-shards-of-earth
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40803025-cage-of-souls

[Anonymous No.18367283]

>>18367133

[Anonymous No.18367289]

>>18367133
Name of the Wind and Mistborn are young adult books (unlike the rest of the list?)
Name of the Wind is notable for being awful, and incomplete.
No one with a mind, would in good faith recommend The Broken Earth Trilogy

I don't dispute The Blade Iself or The Lies of Locke Lamora being notable modern High Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18367294]

>>18367169
The Chalion series, Redemptions Blade, and the Codex Alera would be preferable i think

[Anonymous No.18367296]

>>18367257
>shards-of-earth
I'm reading this RIGHT NOW
I am happy to report that it does not at all feel like the book with spiders or squids

[Anonymous No.18367311]

>>18366140
Just because plenty of dumb manchildren read it too doesn't make it the main demographic.

[Anonymous No.18367320]

>>18367289
The sequels to locke lamora are just so much worse, i find it difficult to recommend the first book

[Anonymous No.18367327]

The Goddamn fucking cat.

[Anonymous No.18367329]

>>18367289
Lies of lock lamora has been getting worse with every book, and book four is coming out on the near side of forever

[Anonymous No.18367338]

>>18367296
I finished it a few days ago. Thought it was great and ended on a high note. According to Tchaikovsky, he's already finished writing the second book and is halfway through writing the finale. Feels good reading SFF from authors who don't just sit on their asses for 20 years.

[Anonymous No.18367341]

>>18367329
>>18367320
Would you want GRRM stricken from early modern period for the same reason?

[Anonymous No.18367343]

>>18367341
If it were a quality list, maybe. If it's influence based then he's very obvious in his spot

[Anonymous No.18367345]

>>18367338
>Tchaikovsky, he's already finished writing the second book and is halfway through writing the finale
What a literary beast

[Anonymous No.18367349]

>>18367289
Mistborn is waaaay worse than Rothfuss' middling and meandering blandness.

[Anonymous No.18367355]

>>18367283
Not really how I imagined Severian, desu...
The heck is that cover?

[Anonymous No.18367369]

Worm is literally the only good webfiction (and maybe Pact). Wasted medium, desu. People will cope and try to say retarded chinese shit or cringe as fuck litRPG or japanese cultural viruses can even be allowed to get near a real book, but no, sorry, it's hopeless. Even Worm was a fluke if you think about it. If it didn't spawn the cringe following it has maybe people from here would consider it a good fiction book.

[Anonymous No.18367385]

>>18367341
Grrm at least put out a couple decent sequels before the decline

[Anonymous No.18367449]

>>18367355
Here is Japan's take on Urth. Sevarian in his royal longue on the spaceship with the vacuum-gear on.

[Anonymous No.18367457]

>>18367369
I'll ask this honestly anon, and I hope you think about it honestly. What's more likely: in the 10 years since Worm started, literally no other writer in the entire world posting their fiction online has made anything good; or you just being close-minded? You will have to admit, if not to me then to yourself, that you haven't even read 1% of the web fiction online, probably not even skimmed more than a few synopsises of most. Why would you want to deny yourself access to so much media you might have fun with if you keep a more open mind? Why bother blatantly virtue signal your own ignorance by saying the one thing you like out of the like maybe 5 things you've read is the only good thing out there?

[Anonymous No.18367480]

Is Riftwar worth a read?

[Anonymous No.18367533]

>>18367457
But i did read a lot of webnovels, that's why i think it's wasted. Don't come here and try to say shit like WTC, fucking HP FANFICTION, some progression fantasy trash, both chinese and western, or some japanese shit with terrible prose and caricatured characters can compete with Worm. It can't, it doesn't get even near the same level of characterization or feel. Something like Mother of Learning can be fun, but that's it, it's fun, after you read it you put it aside and forget about it.

I liked Mushoku Tensei, btw, but only because it was my first isekai and it was like 2014 or something. Some scenes hit right, but like almost every other web novel you just forget about it until someone talks about it.

I can say Worm is on another level. I actually learned some things about how to write characters and how to create an opressive atmosphere. The characters also stayed in my mind for a long time.

Shame it was a fluke and wildbow actually devolved as a writer. Let's also not talk about the fanbase of web novels, it makes me cringe in real life.

[Anonymous No.18367538]

>>18367369
>capeshit with a female MC
thanks but no thanks

[Anonymous No.18367547]

>>18367538
Read it, my waifu taylor is a good character.

[Anonymous No.18367561]

>>18367547
no way fag

[Anonymous No.18367579]

>>18367561
Just ignore it's about superheroes and go with it. Good existentialist MC and a good opressive atmosphere that complements greatly our own hell world. It's a timely fiction if you think about it.

[Anonymous No.18367582]

>>18367533
Worm isn't even that good, which is what weakens your post so much. Flat characters and meme-tier plot that's only kept going by a series of escalating action scenes. It's not that Wildbow devolved, it's that people were just blinded by the cool worldbuilding of Worm and didn't see how bad it really was.

[Anonymous No.18367595]

>>18367582
Plebs and illiterate redditors care about worldbuilding in worm or in general, i don't. I think it's not even there, to be honest, and i think it's better that way. The author wanted a secreted society so he put it there, wanted superheroes or other worlds etc and put it there. It may be "worldbuilding" but it's not reddit shit or sanderson worldbuilding, if you catch my drift. The retarded fanbase is all over it, and i think that's fucking sad because worm isn't about that at all.

I also don't think it's some masterpiece, just on the level of actual good books you can read, something i don't extend to other web novels.

[Anonymous No.18367677]

>>18367081
need to add Beowulf to 'foundational works'

[Anonymous No.18367694]

>>18367449
What the fuck lmao. Looks like it's for a trashy light novel

[Anonymous No.18367704]

>>18367081
We should put together a degree program for Fantasy Literature, and this list would be a great place to start. Reminds me of pic rel

[Anonymous No.18367707]

>>18367327
It was so hawt when the king wanted to breed his daughter.

[Anonymous No.18367714]

>>18367707

[Anonymous No.18367722]

>>18367704
that paper is a joke right?

[Anonymous No.18367754]

>>18367722
Why do you ask this if you already know the answer?

[Anonymous No.18367759]

>>18363025
https://www.deviantart.com/uthp/journal/The-Legend-of-Twilight-Zelda-Princess-part-I-348420007

[Anonymous No.18367771]

>>18367704
It's a single sub genre of fantasy, and half its contributions are meandering garbage. Imagine requiring wheel of time and not even mentioning Till we Have Faces, it would be a worthless degree

[Anonymous No.18367772]

>>18367081
Be completely honest /sffg/, how many of those books have you read?

[Anonymous No.18367780]

>>18367772
Ten, and i have no desire to pursue it any further

[Anonymous No.18367783]

>>18367771
>It's a single sub genre of fantasy
true, although looking at it, it has some other fantasy works in there (the conan stories and the fafhrd/gray mouser stories are classic sword and sorcery, while the broken sword and thomas covenant books are proto-grimdark)

[Anonymous No.18367795]

>>18367772
None rofl

[Anonymous No.18367810]

>>18367771
its better than this shit
>https://www.wired.co.uk/article/best-fantasy-books-novels-series

>31 of the best fantasy books everyone should read

>Who Fears Death, by Nnedi Okorafor (2018)
>A Court of Thorns and Roses, by Sarah J. Maas (2020)
>The Power, by Naomi Alderman (2017)
>The Fifth Season, by N. K. Jemisin (2016)
>Riot Baby, by Tochi Onyebuchi (2020)
>Kindred, by Octavia E. Butler (2018)
>The Lies of Locke Lamora, by Scott Lynch (2006)
>Earthlings, by Sayaka Murata (2020)
>Circe, by Madeline Miller (2018)
>Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn, by Tad Williams (1988 to 1993)
>Malazan Book of the Fallen series, by Steven Erikson (1999 to 2011)
>The First Law Trilogy, by Joe Abercrombie (2006 to 2008)
>The Golem and the Djinni, by Helene Wecker (2013)
>Dune, by Frank Herbert (1965)
>The Dark Tower series, by Stephen King (1998)
>A Song of Ice and Fire, by George R.R. Martin (1996)
>Good Omens, by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman (1990)
>Rivers of London series, by Ben Aaronovitch (2011)
>The Wheel of Time series, by Robert Jordan (1990-2007)
>The Gormenghast series, by Mervyn Peake (1946-56)
>His Dark Materials, by Philip Pullman (1995)
>The Book of Dust, by Philip Pullman (2018)
>The Dresden Files, by Jim Butcher (2000)
>Perdido Street Station, by China Miéville (2000)
>American Gods, by Neil Gaiman (2001)
>A Wizard of Earthsea, by Ursula Le Guin (1968)
>The Farseer Trilogy, by Robin Hobbs (1995-1997)
>The Accursed Kings, by Maurice Druon (1955-77)
>Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell, by Susanna Clarke (2004)
>Mort, by Terry Pratchett (1987)
>Black Leopard, Red Wolf by Marlon James (2019)

[Anonymous No.18367828]

>>18367810
What an incredible mix of great books and absolute fucking dreck. Seriously, Sarah J Maas?

[Anonymous No.18367865]

Why do women like Philip Pullman so much? Is it their natural inclination towards satanism?

[Anonymous No.18367898]

>>18367828
I tried reading her previous series because I thought it might be fun in a so-bad-its-good way but I couldn't make it more than a few pages in

[Anonymous No.18367948]

>>18365255
That is very silly indeed for her not to appear until the 3rd book.

> It was all very interesting to me.
Yeah, if it didn't have that I would've rated it significantly lower than I did. That's what I enjoyed the most by far, easily.

> like characters in a play conveniently delivering their lines
They really did seem like that, which is why I said that I assumed it to was for an adaptation, but maybe that's just how it would've been regardless.

> Gave me cognitive dissonance
Very much so.

[Anonymous No.18367950]

>>18367694
It's a cultural thing...

[Anonymous No.18367965]

>>18367449
I wonder how other fantasy covers are in Asia.

[Anonymous No.18367966]

Enders game was a solid read or ready player one.

[Anonymous No.18367969]

>>18367704
it everyone on /lit/ actuslly read this basic high school tier, introductory literary canon, this shitty board would be infinitely better

[Anonymous No.18367971]

>>18367771
if you were going to put together a 'required reading' list for a degree in fantasy literature, what would you put on it?

[Anonymous No.18367973]

>>18366334
Different anon here. I've read a few stories where the viewpoint character dies and it switches to someone else.

[Anonymous No.18367984]

>>18367828

[Anonymous No.18367997]

>>18367984
Top tier slampig, no doubt

[Anonymous No.18368125]

sometimes it feels like people forget that winds of winter isn't the final book in the series. i always see people on the internet talk about tWoW like it's going to conclude multiple storylines and reveal all the answers where the show dropped the ball, but there's still a whole entire book after that one.

[Anonymous No.18368133]

>>18368125
thank you for reminding me; I was going to ask /sffg/ if I can get away with just reading the first three GoT books?

[Anonymous No.18368137]

>>18368125
A DREAM OF SPRING
As in anyone who think it'll ever be released is id dreaming and needs to spring into reality.

[Anonymous No.18368144]

>>18368133
Yeah. The next two are just worldbuilding. And damage control.

[Anonymous No.18368159]

>>18368133
You can get away with reading NONE of them even!

[Anonymous No.18368195]

>>18364200
Tintaglia is super annoying, and I don't want to deal with her or anything related to her ever again.
The Pale Woman was right. Dragons shouldn't exist in the world. The only reason she was considered a villain, was for the fact that Robin Hobb kept piling up evil deeds one after another, making The Pale Woman cartoonishly evil. If she had only stuck to the plan of ridding the dragons, without all the extra shit, then she would be the hero of the story.

I'm not going to read about Robin Hobb's dragons. They suck.

[Anonymous No.18368210]

Is Watt's Firefall deserving of the hype?

[Anonymous No.18368227]

>>18368210
No. Don't let the dedicated poster supporting it here change your mind.

[Anonymous No.18368266]

>>18368227
retard

[Anonymous No.18368268]

>>18368266
cope

[Anonymous No.18368291]

>>18368133
It was originally a trilogy. Book 4 and afterwards are weak bloated sequels.

[Anonymous No.18368404]

Was Iurt Vonnegut right about SF writers being part of social in groups?

[Anonymous No.18368425]

>>18368404
Mr. Vonnegut misunderstands; we argue the definition not to bind ourselves to one another, but to exclude faggots.

[Anonymous No.18368436]

>>18368404
Well, he's right, Many famous writers called their works science fiction because it allowed them complete freedom with none of the fairy tale stigma carried by sword and sorcery/fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18368441]

>>18366048
*Reading level. Like the other anon said man children love him too.

[Anonymous No.18368445]

what do you guys listen to while reading?
I love just having a random playlist of movie soundtracks going in the background, sometimes they go together so well it's like they were made for each other.

[Anonymous No.18368453]

>>18367369
>Worm
>Good
Lmao, you need worms in ur fuckin brain to enjoy reading Worm.

[Anonymous No.18368455]

Fuck you guys

[Anonymous No.18368466]

>>18368425
But that was barely the case during the Golden Age of Sci Fi when anyone could get published in Sci Fi mags.
>>18368436
Well anyone writing about technology was not even seen as literary anymore, so I guess sci fi was a stigma of its own.

[Anonymous No.18368468]

>>18368445
Usually nothing, but sometimes stuff like dungeon synth.

[Anonymous No.18368471]

>>18368445
Everything and anything additional is distracting and detracting from my experience.

[Anonymous No.18368474]

>>18368468
yeah, I used to be able to read books in silence too
but then I got tinnitus...

[Anonymous No.18368481]

>>18368445
ambient rain sounds
clears my head of my own thoughts and have no lyrics or melodies to distract me

[Anonymous No.18368482]

>>18368474
Do you play in a band? Work in construction? Go to concerts/clubs a lot?

[Anonymous No.18368498]

>>18368482
mostly genetics if I had to guess
though through my childhood I've watch a lot of jets take off up close since my dad was in the airforce

[Anonymous No.18368502]

>>18368474
F. Try white noise or really low outside ambiance vids I guess.

[Anonymous No.18368506]

I think maybe DnD ruined fantasy genre for men. Anybody else had that feeling?

[Anonymous No.18368511]

>>18368466
And now we have another stigma for fiction
>oh it's made up so anything can happen
>what are these technologies, I don't remember them from the news/movies, this book is made up, I'll go read about big guys blasting their enemies with lasers and FTL navies.
Preferrably set in a world that is shoddy and dreary as that reader imagines the real world to be, based on the news.

[Anonymous No.18368512]

>>18368506
>for men
For me*
Wtf

[Anonymous No.18368542]

>>18368506
Yeah I wanted to read about Svartalfheim in the Prose Edda but it was ruined by Dark Elves and Dwarf archetypes from DnD, which are like simulacra of Tolkien/mythology.

[Anonymous No.18368568]

>>18368542
It sure was a bad idea for me to play it before reading LoTR.

[Anonymous No.18368589]

>>18368542
>>18368506
I mean, the dwarves in Norse mythology are craftsmen and miners. Tolkien saw that, copied the homework of Snorre, and made a Christian redemption story.

[Anonymous No.18368617]

>>18368589
Generally, because of that, I always prefer going for books that are more oriented to medieval stuff than fantasy. Martin might be a weirdo, but it works for me.

[Anonymous No.18368625]

>>18368474
>Tinnitus
Probably caused by stress.

[Anonymous No.18368756]

>>18365268
My gf is like that but she didn't have any problems reading. I gave her the apple test and she was able to do some rotation with significant effort, but typically doesn't get any visuals when she reads. I asked her about it a while ago and she said she gets through by situational understanding and feeling, and that dialogue heavy books are more enjoyable if that makes sense.
>>18365276
Fuck that fat pedo cuckold. I hope he gets raided by the fbi
>>18365751
He said no cuck porn anon
>>18365921
>A Mexican with an entire face
How is that supposed to be Kelsoi? Also, fuck sanderfag
>>18367081
>Nigger Kang Jemisin
Decent taste up to that point. Corum and Hawkmoon should be included under Moorcock imho, and Madwand/Changeling and Dilvish under Zelazny
>>18367772
All but 5 or 6 towards the top of the list
>>18368481
This sounds comfy af. I'm gonna give it a try

[Anonymous No.18368780]

>>18366633
cucking has been a dramatic trope since literature and storytelling was invented, only babies throw a fit when a story contains it

[Anonymous No.18368837]

>>18368780
Stop defending cuckoldry.

[Anonymous No.18368838]

>>18363093
The same reason people play games like undertale and minecraft? At least back in the day before they became huge successes.

Why would you NOT support small authors? Are you the kind of person that just watches Marvel movies? Mass produced media is garbage.

[Anonymous No.18368891]

>>18368838
Do you not?

[Anonymous No.18368925]

What's the best cyberpunk for someone (i.e. me) who read 2/3 of Neuromancer and hated it?

[Anonymous No.18368931]

>>18368837
I'm not defending cuckoldry, just like I don't defend murder. but if it happens in a story, you have to be a literal toddler to have an issue with it.

[Anonymous No.18368935]

>>18368925
why do you have to read cyberpunk if you don't like it?

[Anonymous No.18368945]

>>18367237
No one does. It's like having someone who refuses medicine for the same reasons.

[Anonymous No.18368958]

>>18368935
I think he's trying to force himself to like it.

[Anonymous No.18369029]

Friendly reminder that if you want to live in a Cyberpunk dystopia you can move to LA.

[Anonymous No.18369041]

>>18369029
Why not New York City? I mean just look at this.
https://youtu.be/_O3i_qgvAxE

[Anonymous No.18369048]

>>18369041
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24jufNhuUSI

[Anonymous No.18369054]

>>18369041
>>18369048
We're already living in a cyberpunk world, aren't we?

[Anonymous No.18369082]

>>18369041
>>18369048
Good to know we are half way there to a dystopian future.

[Anonymous No.18369127]

>>18369082
I can't wait until we fully live in a ancap society.

[Anonymous No.18369150]

>>18368838
>Why would you NOT support small authors?
Time and money is limited, so I would rather give both to more deserving authors.

[Anonymous No.18369174]

>>18369150
Okay, Disney shill.

[Anonymous No.18369201]

>>18369150
Then don't complain when the state of fantasy and science fiction novels are shit.

[Anonymous No.18369214]

>>18369174
>>18369201
The vast majority of sci-fi and fantasy novels have always been shit.

[Anonymous No.18369221]

>>18369174
This is your brain on anime.

[Anonymous No.18369242]

>>18369221
How is it anime to support independent authors?

[Anonymous No.18369255]

>>18368838
There's a reason why the Avengers is often called the American Iliad. Self-publishing material can't compare to it.

[Anonymous No.18369284]

>>18367081
>cuckporn-free list
Yeah I'm thinking based

[Anonymous No.18369306]

>>18369255
Greek's epic is a great war of conquest, heroes and battles, intervention and manipulation of Gods, all end in man's folly and tragedy.

America's epic is a set of good guys fighting bad guys, set to comic relief, latex suits and dumbed down to the common denominator so it can be sold to the masses as entertainment in a capitalist system, where the measure of the epic's success is in dollars.

[Anonymous No.18369319]

>>18369306
Yes, anon. The avengers is the American Iliad. Don’t know why you had to reiterate what he said.

[Anonymous No.18369322]

>>18369255
>comparing Iliad to that popcorn flick.

[Anonymous No.18369327]

>>18364173
>>18365255
Huh, you guys are hard man. I found it very engaging and exciting all through out after the prologue. Liked the con artistry especially and that the magic wasn't too present.

[Anonymous No.18369344]

>>18369322
The Iliad was just popcorn story for the Greeks

[Anonymous No.18369363]

>>18369344
Yeah, but Iliad is a popcorn story that had to have food for thought to get popular. And it's likely to be about heavily mythologized real events. Avengers are made for entertainment only.

[Anonymous No.18369364]

>>18369344
This but unironically.

[Anonymous No.18369379]

>>18369344
At least someone has the balls to say it.

[Anonymous No.18369415]

>>18369363
>Avengers are made for entertainment only.
How is that any different from the Iliad? It's literally a story to be told and entertain from it.

[Anonymous No.18369454]

>>18369415
There isn’t any real difference.

[Anonymous No.18369504]

>>18369214
Okay, and? I still want to support independent authors. Don't know why you find that hard to believe.

[Anonymous No.18369510]

Worldbuilding fags have ruined fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18369519]

>>18369510
Makes you wonder if they would have liked quests at all.

[Anonymous No.18369526]

>What if instead of telling a decent story I just gave you an 5,000 page exposition of the setting of my DnD campaign

[Anonymous No.18369542]

>>18369526
Sounds great. No longer need to pretend there's a story to be told.

[Anonymous No.18369573]

>>18368210
Not sure what "the hype" is but I read both books a few months ago and they left an impact

[Anonymous No.18369577]

>>18369542
If I don't pretend there's a story, though, then I can't show off my fancy character names, like my MC Svörrhte.

[Anonymous No.18369598]

>>18369577
A locality in skane county in sweden?

[Anonymous No.18369615]

>>18369577
>MC Svörrhte.
Svarte Aske

[Anonymous No.18369621]

>>18369598
>>18369615
I was just making something up by combining Szeth and Kvothe and adding more letters and umlauts.

[Anonymous No.18369631]

>>18369621
Try using Swedish and Finnish language for fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18369643]

>>18369621
Just do what this anon says >>18369631 it has more realism to it.

[Anonymous No.18369646]

>>18369631
If I were to write I would just use English as a basis.

[Anonymous No.18369652]

>>18369631
>>18369643
Also I was making a joke here >>18369577 >>18369621. It always stands out to me when people use names that seem too "made-up."

[Anonymous No.18369662]

>>18369652
Ah okay.

[Anonymous No.18369666]

New thread
>>18369663

[Anonymous No.18369681]

>>18369662
I guess it backfired since it sounded too real, lol. How ironic.

[Anonymous No.18369692]

>>18369681
Indeed, wonder how many times that actually happens.

[Anonymous No.18370251]

>>18369150
Spot the retard who actually thinks getting picked by editorials is proof of quality.

[Anonymous No.18371045]

>>18369255
It's not.