Will explain Nietzsche to everybody who doesnt understand him

[Anonymous No.18344397]

[Anonymous No.18344410]

>>18344397
I have read all works by Nietzsche (multiple times) but I haven't read Schopenhauer. Where does Schopdaddy's influence make itself most apparent in Neetch's writings?

[Anonymous No.18344431]

>>18344397
What is the Will-to-Power
Is Nietzsche actually a "relativist"?

[Anonymous No.18344432]

>>18344397
His philosophy is simple why people have trouble understanding

[Anonymous No.18344445]

>>18344432
because people are ugly and hate life. especially on this board.

[Anonymous No.18344449]

To understand a philosopher is to understand why they were wrong.

Nietzsche believed the driving force behind evolution was the "will to power". He did not understand natural selection: progress is driven by competition not by inherent metaphysical forces. This applies to nature but also to economics, culture, morality and politics, the inapt systems die the apt prevail. No Übermensch is coming.

[Anonymous No.18344471]

>>18344410
I'd say his epistemology, his philosophy is the opposite of Schopenhauer, because Schopenhauer was where his thought begun.

[Anonymous No.18344475]

Did Nietzsche actually literally believe in the eternal return or is it just a hypothetical meant to test whether you have affirmed life or not?

[Anonymous No.18344480]

>>18344449
This is what low IQ looks like

[Anonymous No.18344488]

>>18344431
>What is the Will-to-Power
The desire for the drive of determination; to put it simply: when you have a goal, the will to achieve it is a manifestation of the original drive which is the will to power.

[Anonymous No.18344498]

Get this book and don't listen to OP.

[Anonymous No.18344500]

>>18344480
seethe

[Anonymous No.18344503]

>>18344498
Just read Deleuze's book lmao

[Anonymous No.18344520]

>>18344431
>Is Nietzsche actually a "relativist"?
No, but it depends on what you do with his proposals: his worldview was based on his hatred for the scientism of philosophy, him being the starting point of postmodernism occured because his worldview is a non-scientific one, but a wholly artistic one; people just use it as an excuse to deny reality, when its really about Nietzsche giving people the ability to make reality being whatever they want it to be. A group of people staring at abstract art and nodding along is the exact opposite of what Nietzsche imagined.

[Anonymous No.18344526]

>>18344500
You haven't read a word of Nietzsche. Want to know how I know? Because you seem to think "natural selection" (itself a "metaphysical force" which can't be seen) was not considered by Nietzsche. Nietzsche was acutely aware of Darwin's theory, because he read Darwin's work.
You also wrote this:
>progress is driven by competition
Directly after stating that the will-to-power was not the "driving force."
You're retarded.

[Anonymous No.18344534]

>>18344475
It's one of his artistic inventions of philosophy, they are real "in his world" so to say, they are like modes of choosing to live your life; I mean, you understand that most philosophers claim that all their knowledge is literal, right? Well, to Nietzsche, all of their proposals are just an expression of their worldview, so Nietzsches eternal return was an artistic expression of a literal realisation.

[Anonymous No.18344535]

>>18344498
Do you have permission to post that copyrighted material?

[Anonymous No.18344538]

>>18344526
In competition, slaves win by ganging up, not by becoming greater forces but by winning by numbers. Competition is always Becoming-Reactive. Read Genealogy of morals.

[Anonymous No.18344543]

>>18344449
it's quite clear you haven't read Nietzsche's refutation of Darwinian evolution

[Anonymous No.18344548]

>>18344449
nobody read this garbage post

[Anonymous No.18344557]

Can you please explain the concept of Ubermensch to me? I just don't get it. I always reduce it to what Raskolnikov admired to me.

[Anonymous No.18344561]

>>18344535
Don't tell the copyright gestapo.

[Anonymous No.18344567]

>>18344449

[Anonymous No.18344568]

>>18344538
So you not only botched Nietzsche but you also failed to even understand Deleuze's book on him? Embarassing anon...

[Anonymous No.18344580]

>>18344538
Yeah, no shit. Nietzsche talks about that explicitly. He never said the Übermensch was a guarantied possibility, if you actually read TSZ you'd remember that he presents two options to the Motley Cow.

[Anonymous No.18344607]

>>18344580
I'm not the first guy, I was only saying that competition is not a fundamental aspect of the Will-to-Power, it is fundamental for Hobbes or Hegel but foreign to Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.18344615]

>>18344607
>competition is not a fundamental aspect of the Will-to-Power
Will to power combines external competition with internal drives competing with one another. It is entirely about competition.

[Anonymous No.18344618]

>>18344607
>I was only saying that competition is not a fundamental aspect of the Will-to-Power
It is a fundamental product of it. The will-to-power itself is merely the drive to supremacy and domination by whatever means, which implies conflict as a result when there are others with the same drive. Competition might not be fundamental to the WtP itself, but it is a pretty fundamental aspect of Nietzsche in general.

[Anonymous No.18344626]

>>18344526
>"natural selection" (itself a "metaphysical force" which can't be seen)

It's a simple mechanism present in any competing environment, nothing metaphysical about it.
Nietzsche did not understand evolution because the theory was really only complete with genetics (Mendel, Ronald Fisher).

[Anonymous No.18344667]

>>18344567
The people who think like this don't leave offspring and die. The people who don't, do leave offspring. Since every facet of our behavior has at least some genetic, biological component (hormones, etc.), that mindset tends to be weeded out. That does not mean humans are progressing towards a higher goal, it means niggers who fuck like rabbits are the future of humankind.

[Anonymous No.18344671]

>>18344543
Nietzsche never read Darwin.

[Anonymous No.18344673]

>>18344626
>mechanism present in any competing environment
That's called a metaphysic. Cause-and-effect is another example of metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.18344687]

>>18344667
We still had the potential to kill all niggers until our Western democracies decided to quash NSDAP Germany and Japan. It didn't have to end this way, if things went a little differently we might have gotten somewhere better.

[Anonymous No.18344690]

>>18344673
I guess the laws of physics are metaphysics too, in fact any statistic model trying to explain nature is metaphysics now.

[Anonymous No.18344693]

>>18344449

>To understand a philosopher is to understand why they were wrong

So if the philosopher is not wrong it means you can't understand him ?

[Anonymous No.18344714]

>>18344673
no it’s HARD science because it’s what academia says and they are the truth holders

[Anonymous No.18344719]

>>18344690
No, the laws of physics are specific instantiations of metaphysical ideas. That's why it's called meta-physics, because it abstracts from specific physical laws and figures out what they all depend upon to have any validity. Natural selection is likewise an abstraction from specific physical laws which enables one to state how self-reproducing matter operates in general, abstracting from all specifics.

[Anonymous No.18344753]

>>18344719

This. Metaphysics means to be above the realm of physics. Most often this means "outside" the world / existence.

Though in a very particular sense you could say that the laws of physics are metaphysics in the sense that they are not tangible. But nevertheless this would be a long stretch and a contradiction in terms.

[Anonymous No.18344786]

how would you explain the eternal return?

[Anonymous No.18344806]

I’ve read beyond good and evil, genealogy, and twilight- where should i go from there

[Anonymous No.18344822]

>>18344806
The Gay Science, The Antichrist, Ecce Homo, and Thus Spoke Zarathustra

[Anonymous No.18344894]

>>18344822
ok thank you anon

[Anonymous No.18344897]

>>18344786
Not OP. Nitzschean eternal recurrence is a way to look as life as if when you died you'd live this life all over again. This outlook serves to make one live their life well, considering they will be fated to experience it over and over and over again, forever.

[Anonymous No.18344924]

>>18344557
>Ubermensch
Its basically a purification of man one should strive to become, a purely "human" being, the complicated aspect begins with Nietzsches ever evolving viewpoint of what a human is and what element he identifies as "polluting" the pure human, the übermensch started out as a being of pure reason that is being held back by its primal side and origins, but later became a purely instinctive being, one constructed of the will to power and all the other fundamental intuitions of man; the point of it is to become a man-made set of instincts that are universally applicable to all situations in life, a straight forward way of interacting with life: in the most intuitive manner possible.

[Anonymous No.18344927]

>>18344786
Hello, I have already answered this one in a sense
>>18344534

[Anonymous No.18344943]

>>18344786
OP here again, this one explains the actual concept more in detail
>>18344897

[Anonymous No.18344981]

Test

[Anonymous No.18345254]

I don't know Nietzsche well by any stretch of the imagination, but I want to know your reaction to two criticisms of him.

First, it's always bothered me how clearly reactionary Nietzsche is. You almost feel that he affirms "aristocratic values" (I don't know how else to put it) merely as a rejection of socialist/democratic/christian thought. But this is exactly slave morality. Thoughts?

Second, how does Nietzsche justify will-to-power in such strong terms? One reasonable interpretation of will-to-power is that it's just some psychological phenomenon, which is fine. But it seems like he gives it cosmic significance, which seems absurd.

[Anonymous No.18345299]

>>18345254
>But it seems like he gives it cosmic significance
Let me refine that. I view evolution of the first cells from inorganic matter as a complete accident. But I get the feeling Nietzsche would view that same event as the expression of some primordial will. Seems bizarre, and a bit desperate.

[Anonymous No.18345336]

>>18345254
>but I want to know your reaction to two criticisms of him.
He never centralized the concepts he vaguely used to replace god as a deconstruction of the value and idea of god.
He never stumbled onto deism as a concept and let it influence him.

[Anonymous No.18345337]

>>18345299
>I view evolution of the first cells from inorganic matter as a complete accident
What do you mean accident?

[Anonymous No.18345342]

>>18344397
Is this catboy deleuze?

[Anonymous No.18345522]

What type of government would nietzsche support.

[Anonymous No.18345563]

>>18345337
When you roll a die, the question of which side comes face up is decided by small details. Amount of oil on your hand, the exact momentum you initially give it, details of the surface it lands on, etc. It is customary to refer to such a situation as an "accident", or "random". Same with protocells. That lipids in some ancient pool of chemicals came to arrange themselves into spheres depends on many details that have no metaphysical significance.

[Anonymous No.18345573]

We are not yet of the right generation to understand

[Anonymous No.18345580]

>>18344410
Niedaddy is like 'am incel subhuman and I know it' whereas shop daddy is more of an 'am incel and it's woman's fault'. Step above. Read Freud.

[Anonymous No.18345698]

>>18344567
Profit isn’t exclusively monetary or material, it is generally beneficial to take actions only if one will gain something that can be subjectively measured to be more than the energy put into it. For example, an artist might not finish a painting if he realizes it isn’t his style anymore, meaning if he does finish it he will be at a loss on time and energy when he could have started another painting. He will “profit” if he finishes a painting he does enjoy. A hunter will profit if the animal provides him enough calories to make up for calories spent, and a tribe will decide whether or not to attack another tribe based off whether or not the gains will make up for the losses. Marxists really are pseuds.

[Anonymous No.18345703]

[Anonymous No.18345796]

>>18345563
>That lipids in some ancient pool of chemicals came to arrange themselves into spheres depends on many details that have no metaphysical significance.
If you can talk about "metaphysical significance" with regards to the evolution of eukaryotic multicellular organisms from the first prokaryotes, then you can do the same with the formation of a lipid membrane or RNA.

[Anonymous No.18345810]

>>18345580
>Read Freud.
>Read refuted pseudoscientist
Nobody takes freuds works even serious anymore lol.

[Anonymous No.18345877]

>>18345796
>If you can talk about "metaphysical significance"
But I don't. That's why I find this whole will-to-power thing so arbitrary.

[Anonymous No.18345929]

will I understand zarathrusta if I haven't researched nietzsche before?

[Anonymous No.18346098]

>>18345929
Yes.

[Anonymous No.18346735]

>>18345810
plenty psychoanalytic concepts are still used in continental philosophy and they have their roots in freud even of reducing everything to penis envy and fucking your mom is rejected

[Anonymous No.18346738]

>>18345929
No. Literally one of the worst places to start.

[Anonymous No.18346873]

>>18344397
Does anyone else think that Neetch would be better off staying christian, lecturing at university, marrying a nice trad girl and have some kids - instead of fucking gay prostitutes, getting syphillis and going crazy right after turning 40? Life - that he praised so much - fucked him hard. I think he was an untermensch.

[Anonymous No.18346896]

>>18346735
I know people who study psychoanalysis, who firmly would disagree.

[Anonymous No.18346904]

Sometimes Nietzsche's views on the subject seem borderline Behavioralist or Materialist, reducing it down to what it does, what it Wills, whatever. Other times he indulges in inwardness in a Schopenhauerian way, relying on intuition, sensation, gut feelings, etc. Is there a contradiction here, or no?

[Anonymous No.18346938]

How is amor fati/eternal recurrence different than stoicism? Especially in application and practice, as Nietzsche's distinction sounds superficial

[Anonymous No.18346940]

>>18346873
As cliche as it might sound, it is undeniably true that the brightest flames burn out the fastest. He himself may not have had the chance to experience a long and fulfilling life, but the contributions he made to the world will ensure his legacy lives on far into the future.

[Anonymous No.18346951]

>>18346873
No, but I do think that your post is bait.

[Anonymous No.18346958]

>>18344520
Can you explain the "hatred for the scientism of philosophy" part? From what I've read he proposes a few times the scientific outlook as desirable and superior, an expression of the will-to-Truth. He compares it favourably with the illusions of theology and theology influenced philosophers.

[Anonymous No.18346964]

>>18346938
>Not merely bear what is necessary, still less conceal it--all idealism is mendacity in the face of what is necessary--but love it.

[Anonymous No.18346969]

>>18344431
>Is Nietzsche actually a "relativist"?
He's a perspectivist, so yes.

[Anonymous No.18347011]

This thread is fucking awful. I despise every one of you and hope you die choking on your own vomit.

[Anonymous No.18347022]

>>18345810
Do you know what was refuted about Freud were not the fundamental aspects of his theory, right?

[Anonymous No.18347315]

Y’all are retarded. Deducing a societal meaning out of Neetch is impossible. The foundation of Nietzsches work is the great man theory, which he got from jerking off to the Greeks and Romas. Everything which he writes is for the possible “higher types”, which in his time was the echo of Napoleon. This is where this quote of his comes from that goes like: the meaning of society is to bring forth one or two of these grey man. It goes kinda like that, but I can’t be bothered to look it up rn. Basically Nietzsches Ethics can be reduced to the sentence: What Napoleon wants is more important than what 10 Million people need. Think about what would have happened if Napoleon had been an altruist, basically living for other people and not himself, “Napoleon” as such wouldn’t have happened. That is the philosophy of Nietzsche. To create Napoleons

[Anonymous No.18347514]

>>18347315
This is true, all faggots on here, /pol/ etc just think about it alot because they themselves have nothing to show for themselves, so they cling to these higher matters as though they will achieve anything without doing shit.

[Anonymous No.18347543]

>>18344397
>explain Nietzsche to everybody who doesnt understand him
Some shitty ill and weak retard who wrote all his books while SITTING AS GAY AS FUCK RETARDED KEK WHILE CHAD FUCKED STACEYS AND SEETHING ABOUT THIS

[Anonymous No.18347864]

>>18344397
Can I read him without starting with the Greeks? Except for plato of course everybody ahould read plato

[Anonymous No.18347901]

>>18344397
Explain his relationship with Wagner.

[Anonymous No.18348192]

>>18344397
Did Nietzsche ever write about Gnosticism? I feel like he would consider the demiurge a heroic figure, and consider the Good God to be life denying. Is this a reasonable assumption to make?

[Anonymous No.18348216]

>>18348192
It's a very simple transposing of what Nietzsche says in other areas onto Gnosticism. Nietzsche insulted Christian or "3/4th Christian" (paraphrasing) mystics a lot, so his views on Gnosticism would probably be something similar.

[Anonymous No.18348246]

>>18344397
How is his will to power and ubermensch concept of dealing with nihilism not transparently false when he, the originator the theory, drove himself to total insanity and mental breakdown trying to demonstrate it?

[Anonymous No.18348275]

>>18348246
>Nietzsche was trying to demonstrate how he is an Ubermensch
Lol when? But he did succeed in his own will to power.

[Anonymous No.18348303]

>>18344667
> it means niggers who fuck like rabbits

They only do that because they are being funded by the west. No more funding=no more fertilizer/farming=starvation=population control. We need to stop funding them.

[Anonymous No.18348310]

>>18344567
I find it funny that Marxists think they can prescribe an alternative to capitalism. Those nomadic farmers didn't just one day figure it all out in a room somewhere.

[Anonymous No.18348378]

>>18345254
> it seems like he gives it cosmic significance

He does.
>The will to accumulate force is special to the phenomena of
life, to nourishment, procreation, inheritance-to society, state,
custom, authority. Should we not be permitted to assume this
will as a motive cause in chemistry, too?-and in the cosmic
order?
Not merely conservation of energy, but maximal economy in
use, so the only reality is the will to grow stronger of every
center of force-not self-preservation, but the will to appropriate,
dominate, increase, grow stronger. -WTP pg 367

>If something happens thus and not otherwise, that does not
imply a "principle," "law," "order," [but the operation of]11
quanta of force the essence of which consists in exercising power
against other quanta of force.
Can we assume a striving for power divorced from a sensation of pleasure and displeasure, i.e., divorced from the feeling
of enhanced or diminished power? Is mechanism only a sign
langnage for the internal factual world of struggling and conquering qnanta of will? All the presuppositions of mechanistic theory
-matter, atom, gravity, pressure and stress-are not "facts-inthemselves" but interpretations with the aid of psychical fictions.
Life, as the form of being most familiar to us, is specifically
a will to the accumulation of force; all the processes of life
depend on this: nothing wants to preserve itself, everything is
to be added and accumulated.

Not sure how much I agree with him. I don't know enough about physics to refute him. But it seems it's just an interpretation of physics more than a proposition. And it seems he's just exploring the idea more than saying "this is fact, this is how it is and fuck anyone who disagrees.
Like, "here is how the physics of matter can be interpreted" Through the framework of power you can basically sum up physics as different entities accumulating/exercising power over one another through the physical laws. The physical laws themselves are laws dictating the nature of "power" down to the atomic level.

[Anonymous No.18348431]

>>18348378
Furthermore he explores the idea of pleasure and displeasure being the feeling of power/weakness.

When you feel "happy" it is because you've acquired a certain degree of power sufficient enough for you at the time. Even if your happiness is simply being alone in the wilderness' not having "power" over anyone...that you are *powerful* enough to be alone and peaceful in a wilderness and resist the stresses of your environment keeping you social, engaged, or trying to kill you, is a sense of *power* at bottom and that is what gives you happiness or peace of mind (pleasure). Consequently, if you do not get a chance to live alone in a wilderness, maybe because of other societal factors, or you find the wilderness unbarible because of predators trying to kill you, ect, and you feel displeasure, at bottom the displeasure is coming from a feeling of a lack of power to exert your will sufficiently enough within your environment such that you can get what you want (what you want is enough power to exert your Will which he argues is a "will to power"). Thus, he says, pleasure/displeasure are just a human psychological manifestation of the primordial feeling of power/weakness.

Again I do not know enough about this situation to say for certain whether any of this is objective fact, but it's fun to contemplate and explore.

[Anonymous No.18348454]

>>18344397
Can you make him harder to understand?

[Anonymous No.18348485]

>>18348454
See Heidegger.

[Anonymous No.18348616]

>>18344786
>>18344897
>>18344534
Those who think Nietzsche's eternal recurrence is theoretical and merely instructive rather than a core part of his philosophy are making a mistake.

Consider in Zarathustra, the part where thine titular character describes standing at a gateway inscribed with 'The Moment' and the road leading to the gateway runs infinitely rearward. The point is that things are finite while time is infinite. In the course of an infinity, all finite things have happened and will happen. In an infinite time, all finite things have necessarily already happened.

Nietzsche's idea of will to power in fact owes its existence to the idea of eternal recurrence. Namely, that force is finite and constitutes the essence of the world. The essential finitude of beings is not negated by the infinitude of time. If time is infinite, then all finite things must necessarily have the chance of happening again and of already have happened.

Nietzsche says those who don't adhere to the doctrine of eternal return are the "fleeing ones" and not fit for tomorrow's existence. His idea is that you are free only when you become free and so recognize and act on your will. Whenever one properly thinks the doctrine of eternal return, that is the moment in which a man can act as well to power.

Those who think eternal return can choose to be swept away in it or to become its master. For Nietzsche, becoming its master through will to power is the cure to nihilism.

TL;DR: Stop looking at porn.

[Anonymous No.18348628]

>>18348616
>Those who think Nietzsche's eternal recurrence is theoretical and merely instructive rather than a core part of his philosophy are making a mistake.
>TL;DR: Stop looking at porn.
These are the only sentences I read, what the fuck are you talking about anon.

[Anonymous No.18348780]

>>18345703
You know what Nietzsche said,,,

[Anonymous No.18348796]

>>18348780
https://youtu.be/IfonhRkfaf0

[Anonymous No.18348991]

>>18344397
I'll never understand the idolizing of a man who was a failure in life in almost all respects, and whose half-hearted philosphy only worked to inspire the Holocaust and 20 different racial supremacy ideologies due to misunderstanding his simplistic, stupid view.

[Anonymous No.18348993]

>>18348991
>failure in life in almost all respects
>one of the most famous thinkers ever

[Anonymous No.18349007]

>>18348993
Famous to who? Nazis and teenagers who haven't gotten out of their angst? This is the issue with many philospher, I've found. Many have simply never surpassed their teenage angst. They see the average man and think they are sheep, think they are cowards or lesser when in reality they've learned the hardest skill to master; that is to simply move on. Nietzsche died alone, loveless, and insane. His work deserves looking into, but to latch onto nihilism, or any philosphy for that matter, is a mistake. Even Nietzsche himself said that the greatest punishment to a teacher is to be merely a pupil, which may have been his best philosphical statement.

[Anonymous No.18349014]

>>18349007
It's apparent you haven't gotten over your pubescent years by your thinking that you're somehow so much smarter and more mature than every intellectual over the past century. Or do you think Russel was a great philosophical mind?

[Anonymous No.18349035]

>>18349014
I don't think I'm smart, I honestly don't think I'm average, I just refuse to listen to the words of another man, and one who never found the happiness he expects others to find.
Philosphy is fascinating and worthwhile, but when we buy into this nonsense it becomes, essentially, spiritual self help. For what? Does it make me a better person to believe in the will to power? Do I transcend humanity? In Nietzched opinion yes, in reality it doesn't. We all live, we all die, and we all try to find meaning. He didn't, that much is clear if you know his life. That is unfortunate, but why would I sit by and waste my time on an ideology that didn't even work for it's creator?
Make your own opinions, make your own theories, find your own meaning and morality. It may not be right, and it probably isn't, but at least your not regurgitating he words of an unhappy man.

[Anonymous No.18349084]

>>18348991
>>18349007
>>18349035
Why do you comment about authors you haven't read?

[Anonymous No.18349186]

>>18349084
Look to the bottom of my second post again. My agreement with some principles does not mean I can dislike others. His views of intellectual superiority and subjective morality, for example, have led to tragedy on multiple occasions.

[Anonymous No.18349193]

>>18349186
You get a lot of things wrong in your posts, so your reading is either incomplete or you didn't follow most of what you read.

[Anonymous No.18349704]

>>18345810
He hasn't really been refuted, he has however, become more irrelevant for modern psychological praxis. But, through recent discoveries made in neuropsychology, a branch of psychology focusing on the same things as Freud, ergo, man's inner emotional field, it looks as if Freud's theories are going to be redeemed by finding a biological basis for them.

[Anonymous No.18349863]

>>18348616
>>18348628
>rather than a core part of his philosophy
it can be both dumbass

[Anonymous No.18349901]

Hey OP can you define

>Amor fati
>Eternal return
>God is dead
>Last man
>Nihilism
>Ressentiment
>Transvaluation of values
>Tschandala
>Übermensch

[Anonymous No.18349920]

Hey OP what's your background?

[Anonymous No.18349933]

>>18346969
This. Nietzsche comes right out and says he's a relativist, he just uses different terminology.
Maybe Nietzsche does have some useful insights about sociology and politics, but his blatantly relativistic philosophy turns me off from all that. If he can't even get the fundamentals right then I won't bother.

[Anonymous No.18349937]

>>18347315
>Think about what would have happened if Napoleon had been an altruist, basically living for other people and not himself, “Napoleon” as such wouldn’t have happened. That is the philosophy of Nietzsche. To create Napoleons
In other words, a Nietzschean world would be a smouldering ruin full of psychopathic anarchists, perpetually backstabbing each other in order to fulfill MUH WILL TO POWER

[Anonymous No.18349943]

OP you should've used a trip so we can follow your posts. By the looks of it, OP left mid thread but his replies were good.

[Anonymous No.18349959]

>>18349937

Nietzsche clearly stated that "will to power" doesn't mean "domination".

Stop it pseud.

[Anonymous No.18349970]

>>18344397
It's my understanding that the master morality is also something that the ubermensch is supposed to overcome. So why do people read Nietzsche and then interpret it as a master morality being superior to a slave morality?

[Anonymous No.18349981]

>>18349959
Nietzsche was also a relativist who did not believe in objective truth. Why should people follow what Nietzsche said word for word, when Nietzsche himself claims that truth does not exist, everyone has their own "truth", and truth is merely a subjective belief that another, more powerful person imposes upon you?

[Anonymous No.18350001]

>>18349981
Why would you follow what people say word for word, dumbass?

[Anonymous No.18350013]

Where should I start with him.

[Anonymous No.18350017]

>>18350001
You can't even address the points I've made but you're calling me a pseud and a dumbass. Babby's first philosopher crush, you read Nietzsche (probably because you follow BAP or some other twitter e-celeb who references Nietzsche) and thought Nietzsche had it all figured out, now you're realizing he didn't and you're mad.
I think we're done here.

[Anonymous No.18350031]

>>18350017
What a thoroughly embarrassing post to make.

[Anonymous No.18350053]

>>18350031
Can you explain why you disagree with what I said? No, you can't? OK then.

[Anonymous No.18350074]

>>18350053
Nietzsche wasn't trying to make retards like you follow him word for word. He was trying to avoid that.

[Anonymous No.18350223]

>>18349035
Nietzsche isn't wrong though because he doesn't presume anything. He doesn't even posit anything. I don't think he ever says that life is this way or that. Nietzsche is more of a poet, prophet and preacher than a philosopher giving out guidelines.

[Anonymous No.18350326]

>>18344397
Why did he write "My Sister and I"
was he an incestfag?

[Anonymous No.18350363]

its so hard being a Nietzsche fan, his threads are always so fucking shit. Its like a local circus for retards who want to use as many cliches and retard takes as possible

[Anonymous No.18350421]

>>18350363
almost like his followers are a bunch of clowns
almost

[Anonymous No.18350464]

>>18350326
he didnt

[ἉΔΙΟΤΕΛΟΣ No.18350481]

>>18349943
these are by me
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>>18346896
I will post under this name to distinguish ma posts

[ἉΔΙΟΤΕΛΟΣ No.18350491]

>>18346938
Stoicism means you accept everything externally, which developed into lack of emotion, amor fati means also accepting everything internally, such as rage, sadness, madness etc.

[ἉΔΙΟΤΕΛΟΣ No.18350503]

>>18350481
*my

[ἉΔΙΟΤΕΛΟΣ No.18350523]

>>18350491
It allows you to act on your emotions and thus grants you free will of interacting with the world, you accept everything and can now do whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.18350663]

>>18344397
in Wahrheit und Lugen im ubermoralischen Sinn, Nietzsche says that language is a doubling of reality and that the patterns we see in language, that is, what we call truth, is not present in reality, which is no more than a heap of singular things without structure. Now isnt that a bit stupid? How can something (language) spring out of nothing (the purported reality)?

[Anonymous No.18350750]

>>18344449
>driving force behind evolution was the "will to power"
>progress is driven by competition
These are literally the same thing. Competition is a metaphysical force.

[Anonymous No.18350767]

>>18344397
Explain it to me then. Please mind the condition that i have not learned the alphabet yet.

[Anonymous No.18350807]

>>18350013
Learn ancient greek, studie the greeks, learn German, read nietzsche.
Simple as

[ἉΔΙΟΤΕΛΟΣ No.18351277]

>>18350663
I think you projected your agenda onto this, he never specifically says "nothing", its pretty straighforward: language is a sloppy, "unscientific" way of imitating reality to metaphysically materialize it, so you can manipulate your enviroment through application of "language".

[Anonymous No.18351404]

>>18349937
What would have happened to Goethe if he had not lived for his work? This whole power thing is kinda weird

[Anonymous No.18351419]

>>18351277
please read the text before trying to explain it next time you try

[Anonymous No.18351504]

>>18344410
>larp
He literally names him in Birth of Tragedy

[Anonymous No.18351516]

>>18351504
dumb nigger, I know he mentions him in multiple works. im talking where can we see Schopenhauer's philosophy in Nietzsche's work.
dumb fucking goy, learn to read.

[Anonymous No.18351519]

>>18349933
What does he get wrong?

[Anonymous No.18351536]

>>18351516
HEY. Do NOT call me NIGGER. I am not a NIGGER. You see shope in Nietzsch because he mentions him by name, he literally demarcates what he draws from Shope for you, you rude jerk. That is what I was trying to say. So STOP being MEAN to me and do not call me NIGGER.

[Anonymous No.18351562]

>>18344410
In Nietzsche's critical tone, early usage of the will, and views on Kant and Hegel are the parallels I have come across between him and Schopenhauer.

[Anonymous No.18351564]

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[Anonymous No.18351584]

>>18351564
Please stop

[Anonymous No.18351599]

>>18344397
You don't understand him.

/thread

[Anonymous No.18351655]

>>18351419
great argument retard, been really fun reading this thread

[Anonymous No.18351695]

>>18350523
That doesn't make sense

[Anonymous No.18351916]

>>18344786
The deepest expression of the hyperborean will.

[Anonymous No.18352770]

>>18344397

[Anonymous No.18352827]

>>18344786
>how would you explain the eternal return?
something movement something perpetuum mobile something

[Plato No.18353883]

>>18349970

[Anonymous No.18354048]

I don't care what Bataille said, this incel was a racist and his philosophy directly lead to national socialism.

[Anonymous No.18356082]

bump

[Anonymous No.18356112]

>>18354048

You're pretty dumb.

Nietzsche's philosophy didn't lead to national socialism. It existed before Nietzsche even became popular. After Nietzsche's death, his sister modified his works as to fit Hitler's views, that's why a lot of people think Nietzsche was a german nationalist.

He actually despised it, he didn't like the society he lived in and saw it as decadent compared to the ancient greeks.

Stop being a retard.

[Anonymous No.18356127]

>>18344432
He's a mainstream philosopher and normies are just really stupid and really unlearned.

[Anonymous No.18356163]

>>18345254
retard

[Anonymous No.18356694]

>>18351655
This was a suggestion, not an argument. Maybe the fact you don't know what an argument is, is part of your problem.

[Anonymous No.18357072]

>>18350663
Grammar, like math, is a construct of the human mind that operates off its own logic that does not necessarily line up with how the universe operates. Heraclitus basically said the same.

[Anonymous No.18357588]

>>18344520
Nietzsche is hardly the starting point of postmodernism. If you trace it back, postmodern thought was already established by hegel. and the first time a discussion about postmodernism as "overcoming of modernity" entered the mainstream was in the 1920 (funnily enough both in europe and japan simultaneously, and in both cases...) precisely in hegelian terms.

[ἉΔΙΟΤΕΛΟΣ No.18357623]

I suck cocks.

[Anonymous No.18357874]

>>18357623
>I suck cocks.

[Anonymous No.18357896]

>>18357623
nietzschebros...

[Anonymous No.18357911]

>>18357623
>>18357896
samefagbros...

[Anonymous No.18358845]

>>18350017
>probably because you follow BAP or some other twitter e-celeb who references Nietzsche
That sounds like projection to me

[Anonymous No.18359954]

>>18345580
>devolves thought into peepee poopoo
yep sounds like that pseud Freud.

[Anonymous No.18359960]

>>18349937
How do you take that from Nietszche at all...? The Ubermensch isn't a destroyer, the whole premises is built on concepts of self-creation.

[Anonymous No.18359973]

what did nietzsche mean by 'How to Philosophize with a Hammer'?

[Anonymous No.18359987]

>>18357623
Fellow nietzschean here, can confirm cocksucking is the key to understanding the ubermensch.

[Anonymous No.18360060]

>>18350017
>>18358845
Whats wrong with BAP? Bronze Age Mindset was a fun read that had some good concepts in it.

[Anonymous No.18361927]

I don't care what that crazy nigga Bataille said; Nietzche was an INCEL and his philosophy directly led to the formation of National Socialism.

Muh free men and society of aristocrates. Yeah that's fascism.

[Anonymous No.18362203]

>>18361927
good