/wg/-Writing General

[Anonymous No.18336176]

Any progress on your novels?

Previous thread:>>18328166

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft
>On Writing, Borges

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges

Related Material:
>What Editors Do
>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Suggested books on storytelling:
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

Suggested books on getting your fucking work done you lazy piece of shit:
>Deep Work
>Atomic Habits

Traditional publishing
> Formatting manuscript
https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/
> Write a query
https://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/
> Track your query
https://querytracker.net/

Other Resources
>General grammar/syntax/editing help
https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html
> When/where/how should I write?
https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers
> What software should I write with?
https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/
> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP monie
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650
> Be like Charles Dickens and write serially
https://www.royalroad.com/
> Basic overview of the Screenplay format
https://screenwriting.info/

[Anonymous No.18336258]

>>18336165
I'll summarise some publisher's submission requirements here because you're probably too lazy to look it up:
>Overland will not – except in special circumstances – accept submissions that have been previously published elsewhere, including on the internet.
Source: https://overland.org.au/submit/
>We do not accept translations or work that have been previously published in print or online.
Source: 32 Poets Submittable
>We consider only previously unpublished work. Writing that has appeared online for any reason, including social media posts, is considered to have been previously published and should not be submitted.
Source: Poetry Magazine Submittable
>We do not accept work previously published in print or online, including on blogs.
Source: https://islandmag.com/submissions
>We only accept writing that has not been published previously, whether in print or on the web.
Source: https://www.nereview.com/ner-submissions/

[Anonymous No.18336265]

>>18336176
All women are selfish whores who deserve rape.

[Anonymous No.18336518]

>>18336265
Not my Mum!

[Anonymous No.18336519]

>>18336265
any progress on your novels?

[Anonymous No.18336538]

>>18336265
Cancer. Stay on topic.

[Anonymous No.18336547]

>>18336265
A flawless sentence, keep building these up and you'll be golden.

[Anonymous No.18336549]

>>18336519
If my frog story was worthless, why should my novel be worth anything more?

[Anonymous No.18336583]

>>18336549
I'm pretty big in Frog Studies myself. As a litterateur with cross-disciplinary knowledge of amphibious biology and amphibian behavioural endocrinology, I can tell you right now how hard it is to merge the familiar tale of the frog with literature. Where can we move forward from that classic myth of the princess kissing a frog? Nowhere, I say, without something giving way first.

[Anonymous No.18336662]

>>18336583
>Where can we move forward from that classic myth of the princess kissing a frog?
Prince kissing a frog (boy frog)

[Anonymous No.18336744]

>Tomorrow was five minutes away. Edgar stood waiting in the storm porch of his home looking out to the quiet urban street. He knew his friend was close and on his way. The streets were glistening yellow from the fluorescent street lights and freshly fallen rain. The road was empty of life save for a lone ginger cat pawing its way across the street and into a neighbor’s garden. Edgar looked from household to household trying to spot any motion. His own family were asleep inside his home; his mother in her bed, his brother and sister in theirs. The near silence of the night provoked a sense of wonder in him. For company he had his own thoughts, the sound of his breathing, the muffled rattling of tree leaves, and the distant sound of lone vehicles coming and going along the motorway.

[Anonymous No.18336766]

>>18336744
>quiet urban street
This bugs me, consider removing 'urban' and replacing 'quiet' with 'empty'.

[Anonymous No.18336814]

>I study myself in the mirror, remarking at the cut of my hair, the color of my eyes, the shape of my nose. I take quick stock of all of my characteristics in the mirror and then examine my clothes, which are present. My mouth moves as I form the words and my voice has a sound to it. I try out a smile. The arrangement of my teeth has a certain indescribable quality, as do their coloration, which falls somewhere within the nominal range of normal human variance. I am, for all intents and purposes, undeniably a human being.

[Anonymous No.18336840]

>>18336814
Hi Bret, start writing again please.

[Anonymous No.18337175]

Anyone remembers that /lit/ has an ad on a collection of /lit/ writings? I was busy so I couldn't check it out but anyone has a link to it?

[Anonymous No.18337232]

I have a total brainlet question that I don't know how to word for Google (I am ESL unfortunately).
If I reference an organization/body that has "the" in its title do I capitalize "the?"
Example using a real world company TLC:
>I was watching The Learning Channel last night.
I wouldn't usually capitalize "the" but in this case it is part of the acronym making up the company name. Capitalizing it still feels wrong but that's just intuition on my end. I have no idea what the convention is.

[Anonymous No.18337253]

>>18337232
capitalization represents (roughly) import. if there were a category of TV channels called Learning Channels, you could leave 'the' as lowercase, since "the Learning Channel" would reference one of multiple Learning Channels without specifying which one. When there is only one, as is the case with TLC, "The Learning Channel" is proper.

[Anonymous No.18337266]

>>18337232
If the article is the first word in the name/title/etc, it has to be capitalized, but not if it's in the middle. (see The Lord of the Rings).

[Anonymous No.18337271]

>>18337253
or i could be off base. if you care about monarchy enough to capitalize 'queen,' you would write the Queen rather than The Queen. i suppose it's just because TLC's full name incorporates 'the,' where the queen's title doesn't

[Anonymous No.18337272]

>>18337253
>>18337266
Thanks. That was what was confusing me. I know stuff like "Knights of the Round Table" leaves "the" lower case.

[Anonymous No.18337419]

>don't give a fuck about characters, only care about the plot
>everyone is always saying characters should be at the core of everything

Should I even be writing? How do I learn to like writing characters

[Anonymous No.18337431]

>>18337419
Realize that there can be no plot without characters having motivations.

[Anonymous No.18337438]

>>18337419
balance it you idiot
some people will say plot is everything, some narrative, some characters
truth is every story relies more on one than the others, but all of them make use of everything

[Anonymous No.18337447]

>>18337419
Without characters there is no plot. This should be obvious. Have you never consumed any media at all? Be it books, manga, movies, theater, even music?

[Anonymous No.18337466]

NO PROGRESS

HAVENT WRITTEN IN MONTHS

DAY DREAM ABOUT MY STORIES ANWAY

HAVE NIGHTMARES OF BECOMING A FAILED WRITER AND ALL MY EX GIRLFRIENDS LAUGH AT ME AND I GET THROWN IN JAIL

I JUST FINISHED WHITE NOISE, IF THIS SHIT CAN CAUSE A MAJOR SHIFT IN THE LITERARY WORLD, ANYTHING CAN. I BET IT WAS REALLY GOOD 35 YEARS AGO.

[Anonymous No.18337507]

>don't care about characters
>don't care about plot
>don't care about theme
>don't care about motif
>don't care about anything except prose

[Anonymous No.18337510]

>>18337466
Don't worry anon, your ex girlfriends don't even remember you exist

[Anonymous No.18337529]

>>18337510
;-; they are happier without me and some are married now. I'd drink my sorrows away, but I think my kidneys are shot.

[Anonymous No.18337552]

>>18337419
Yeah, detectives, heists, mysteries, revealing corruption, etc..All those are about character motivations not characters themselves.

[Anonymous No.18337655]

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thank you for reading my creative writing.

[Anonymous No.18337700]

>>18337655
Saved

[Anonymous No.18337775]

>>18337431
>>18337447
I obviously have characters, but I don't love them, I'm not passionate about them, I don't care to write anything about them outside the plot they're serving. Their motivations are means for me to uncover the plot, they grow and develop through their arcs but conveying that is secondary to my goal.

>>18337438
But I'm thinking of stories I like that resonate with people and they all have a great focus on characters, it feels like I'm doing something wrong by sidelining them, that no one would care about the plot and the world because they don't care about the characters. I feel like my mindset is stuck and something needs to jog it in order for me to realize the value of a character-based approach.

>>18337552
>All those are about character motivations
Could you elaborate on this a bit?

[Anonymous No.18337782]

>>18337775
Anon your plot is simply what happens when the motivations and actions of your characters clash. You must understand this.

[Anonymous No.18337817]

>>18337775
Character motivation is why did a character do something, what did they resolve to do and for what.
A detective doesn't solve the cases just *to get to the truth*, they are motivated by something. A heist doesn't happen just because unless the robber is out of his mind.
Mysteries also have motivations of whoever created them. Same for corruption.

[Anonymous No.18337864]

>>18336176
If I ever make it as a writer, I'm buying my mom a fucking car.

[Anonymous No.18337869]

>>18337775
>I obviously have characters, but I don't love them, I'm not passionate about them, I don't care to write anything about them outside the plot they're serving.
Yes then, you should just give up. What's the point of writing characters that you dislike or find uninteresting?
People who read what you write will probably feel exactly the same.

[Anonymous No.18337929]

>>18337869
not everything needs to be about characters. i personally leave almost all of my characters as cardboard cutouts because that's what the rest of you are to me. like you say, why write things i find uninteresting?

[Anonymous No.18337959]

>>18337929
>that's what the rest of you are to me
Cringe

>why write things i find uninteresting?
If you're writing is for your own eyes then write whatever you want. If you're publishing, people don't want cardboard people that's boring AF. Even the most epic tales fall flat with uninteresting characters.

[Anonymous No.18338025]

>>18337959
yea bruh boring AF lmaooooo hella sus for u 2 thnk that ngl bruh lmaoooooooo. sus af u rite u rite

[Anonymous No.18338041]

>What a change this was to be in a good mood on Wish Mountain.

[Anonymous No.18338068]

>>18338025
>yea bruh boring AF lmaooooo hella sus for u 2 thnk that ngl bruh lmaoooooooo. sus af u rite u rite

More cringe than the edgelord comment

[Anonymous No.18338113]

what is it about /wg/ that attracts the most genuinely braindead coterie of vanilla n*rmies that you can find on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.18338184]

I know you're supposed to write what you know but you ever worry that your insecurities will sink too much into your writing?
I have trust issues so I've casually written like three instances where the hero is betrayed. Would this be off-putting to the average reader?

[Anonymous No.18338196]

>>18338184
nothing wrong with having insecurities. there's absolutely, 100% nothing wrong with the insecurities playing into your writing. if you can't explore them through your writing, how can you?

[Anonymous No.18338287]

>>18338113
Hey friend! Glad you could join us!
We like focusing on the career that is authoring our own books or writing bite sized chapters for royal road. Pick up that pen and draw a path to your future!
Of course there are a lot of boards that are just for fun and I do enjoy a laugh or lose thread here or there, but we've got to be the best we can be!
You can do it champ!
(Seriously though there's usually only like a handful of us. Of course you're going to see similar stuff every thread. Think!)

[Anonymous No.18338306]

>>18338287
>t.

[Anonymous No.18338311]

>>18338306
Upvoted!

[Anonymous No.18338326]

>>18336176
Been too focused on finding a job. I've got two that I come back to. The first is Jordan Peele bait about an adoption clinic that kidnaps people and forces them to breed to create genetically superior babies that are sold off to rich families, majority black. The second is a VN about a guy that has to lose his virginity before 30 or die.

[Anonymous No.18338447]

>>18336176
>acceptance rate is just over 11 per cent
Is this good? How often do the rest of you get published?

[Anonymous No.18338455]

>>18338184
A scriptdoctor once said that the most interesting stories are based on the authors most embarrassing experiences. Being wounded is the most important quality of the hero. And the truer the wound, the more believable, the better. People love to see that kind of thing. Don't ask me why. He didn't know either. All he knew was that it sold.

[Anonymous No.18338475]

>>18338287
t.

[Anonymous No.18338485]

>>18338475
Holy shit this guy is retarded. Most autists aren't 'cold and calculating', they're screaming retards. Literal, screaming, retards.

[Anonymous No.18338529]

>>18338485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4yDVKidRqA
Like so?

[Anonymous No.18338589]

>>18338529
I dunno, that kid isn't typing like a screeching retard. Seems like it might be act. He turned out cute, and he's getting a degree - good for him desu. I was thinking more like... Louis Theroux's documentary, where the kid was barely verbal, and repeatedly hit himself.

Tried to find a YT video, but it seems YT is fucked again. It's sending me to the wrong videos when I click them.

[Anonymous No.18338613]

>>18338589
https://youtu.be/OL2fV_P4_CY?t=305
Well I just linked it because the dude has admitted he is autistic.
>degree
Anon, anyone can get a degree. I'm in a PhD and I have serious mental health problems. I think that says more about university than it does about my abilities.

[Anonymous No.18338618]

>>18338529
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4PTf7LgsIE

[Anonymous No.18338621]

>>18338613
>Well I just linked it because the dude has admitted he is autistic.
Yeah, but there are different degrees to which it effects people; his is clearly relatively minor. Most autistic people are really, really fucked.

Found it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_nhwLGkC5Y

[Anonymous No.18338627]

>>18338589
>desu
go back, retard.

[Anonymous No.18338637]

>>18338627
Stop being a candyass and fuck off desu

[Anonymous No.18338665]

>>18338618
>>18338621
Thanks for sharing, I'd seen the Theroux one but the other is new to me. Wow. Very intense. I've seen stuff like this in person. I hear that they can be very strong; one I knew was exceptionally tall and large. She used to hug my auntie until she didn't want to let go, until she almost suffocated her. Very sad to see, but I'm sure there's a very specific biological/neurological reason for the behaviours, abnormalities, and whatever the "spectrum" is.

[Anonymous No.18338678]

>>18337775
>no one would care about the plot and the world because they don't care about the characters
Yes.
How can you expect me to care about the world you've created when you haven't given me a reason to care about the people who live in it?

[Anonymous No.18338711]

>>18338665
Yeah, it can span broadly and widely... Autism has become a pretty much catch-all for non-neurotypical behaviour traits caused by something physiological in their brains. Lack of empathy, hyperactivity, obsessive compulsion... it all falls under autism now. Autism has become the sort of term 'pinhead' or 'retard' used to be, given how far it catches, but for some reason it's acceptable.

I don't see autism as a diagnosis because of the above. I see it as an umbrella term for 'this person will struggle. I teach kids. I've seen varying levels of effects of autism. You don't know the dysfunction of a kid if someone says 'they're autistic'. It just gives you a ballpark.

That guy saying 'autism is the normal' is batshit.

[Anonymous No.18338742]

>>18338711
>Autism has become the sort of term 'pinhead' or 'retard' used to be, given how far it catches, but for some reason it's acceptable.
That's interesting you say that because I realised the old word, "Mongoloid," was omitted from the DSM merely because it upset an entire group/nation of people. It seems like medical professionals aren't really interested in treating or diagnosing it properly, and will only change criteria/terminology if pressured to do so. "Mong" was very poor in describing anything anyway, but it makes one wonder if things have changed at all really.
>That guy
He's Varg (Burzum/Mayhem) and committed murder/arson of cultural sites (old Norwegian churches). I posted it as a joke, but I don't think he can be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.18338814]

>>18338742
>He's Varg (Burzum/Mayhem) and committed murder/arson of cultural sites (old Norwegian churches). I posted it as a joke, but I don't think he can be taken seriously.
Oh. The only Norwegian super terrorist I'm really familiar with is Breivik.

>"Mong" was very poor in describing anything anyway, but it makes one wonder if things have changed at all really.
That's the scary thing isn't it? They don't use lobotomies anymore, but shit, the pills they guzzle might as well be one. Therapy is the bizarre situation where one can capitalise on a want of friendship for profit. Catch-all terms are still used, and often in collocation with mass hysteria to perpetuate dependency on pharmaceuticals and health services... Hell, how many people suddenly had 'depression and anxiety' after awareness campaigns were launched? The rhetoric spun is 'people were simply UNAWARE they had depression and anxiety before', or 'they were too ASHAMED of it for it to be noted'...

I'm not so sure. I don't think 'brain medicine' has really changed. I think the term 'mental health' to describe behavioural, non-physiological impairment is barbarism and ludicrous. I really hate that term - 'mental health' - because if you have a health problem, you need a doctor. The cognitive-linguistic implication is that you, as the sufferer of mental health, do not have the agency to address the cause of that 'mental health' issue, which is normally an environmental thing, which in fact people do have the power to change.

I think we're still very, very primitive with these issues.

[Anonymous No.18339100]

>>18336176
I wish a light novel would work and sell in a western setting/English

[Anonymous No.18339124]

>>18338627
how new are you?

[Anonymous No.18339146]

>>18339124
far and away oldfag enough to never unwittingly trip a wordfilter

[Anonymous No.18339281]

The pill tube had disappeared back into her dresser drawer, buried under a mound of lingerie. She stood in front of the bathroom mirror, looking discontentedly at her breasts, pushing them around, squeezing them. The body is a punishment from God. When we die, invisibly the soul rises to heaven like a great warmth. She felt the iciness of her hands. A Spanish man's name tattooed on her right forearm. "What the hell are you doing, bitch?" Juan asked. He pulled up his baggy pants. The toilet flushed through the silence.

[Anonymous No.18339315]

>>18339100
No keep the west out.

[Anonymous No.18339635]

>>18339100
Explain

[Anonymous No.18339700]

Mother drove me and picked me up from school for ten years. This stopped when I got a driver’s license, a car. What the hell did we ever talk about? And why can’t I remember? Where would ten years of conversations suddenly go to, now that I am trying my best to get back to them, my hand somewhere fishing in the mud and mire of memory? Pretty soon I won’t remember anything at all. Then I will be dead.

[Anonymous No.18339718]

>>18339315
You don't want to read "I Got Reincarnated as an LGBT Adventurer in the level 100 BIPOC dungeon" or "My Little Sister's Neovagina can't Possibly be this Valid"?

[Anonymous No.18339898]

>>18339315
They're popular in France, specifically France I know that much. It's just a perception thing to some extent I suppose.
>>18339635
I've been working on a story for quite some time. I think it would be most natural published as a light novel with various volumes and the prospect of some pieces of character artwork or scenes is attractive for various reasons.

However it simply isn't practical because the closest thing western readers associate with pictures outside of children's books is graphic novels which are not what I would have in mind. On top of that Amazon fees become higher for having pictures located within their ebooks since it increases the size of the ebook. I did some research some time ago, and if I recall correctly for this reason there's some pricing differences between Amazon JP and what we're use to. While I would wish to present my story in a light novel format, it simply won't work, even when I would have the funding for said artwork.

[Anonymous No.18339922]

>>18339100
I think it has some form market in the west, and I think the biggest is probably the French. I think there's a publisher named Maho Editions that publishes them. The most well-known I think is Les Enfants de Gorre. As far as I'm aware though, it has no English translation and my French I learned in high school will probably fail me if I ever dared read it. Other than that prime example there's a few others but I haven't looked into them much.

America's-wise, there's the Brazillian No Game No Life who banged some Japanese chick and moved there/knows Jap. And some series called American Kitsune.

[Anonymous No.18339929]

Thoughts on this excerpt?

[Anonymous No.18340035]

>>18339929
dunno why you're wasting your time desu

[Anonymous No.18340266]

what are you lads doing with your accumulated writings

[Anonymous No.18340270]

>>18340266
I post mine on scribblehub and royalroad

[Anonymous No.18340295]

>>18340266
Mine are on Amazon but I don't really do much at the moment. I have an author page that shows off my canvas art and my five books but I want to at least finish two more books before I do another hard publicity push.

[Anonymous No.18340296]

also, does anyone know of an online resource listing useful research books for writers setting their fiction in the past, organized by decade/time period, on broad social topics.

ie norman ohler's blitzed giving good coverage on the drug use social-sector during the thirties/forties, a compilation and chronology of titles that cover finance, homemaking, etc

[El Arcón No.18340300]

After about 20 years, I finished my novel in 2018.
https://www.amazon.com/Weather-Vane-Gedalia-Gershon/dp/1723762806

[Anonymous No.18340314]

>>18340296
I don't think there is one but I would love to be proven wrong. I always have to go search (sometimes not in English) for how things were done at x time. Like I have a character that can track game and is an ancient ghost so I am currently taking a crash course on how people tracked deer down in early Roman times.
It's kinda cool but it makes writing the character slow since he has to be accurate to his time.
I enjoy it though.

[El Arcón No.18340373]

>>18340296
>broad social topics.


On Certain Aspects of American Economics Relevant to 2021
http://762com.com/d0cs/papers/On_Certain_Aspects_of_American_Economics_Relevant_to_2021__v3-20210521.pdf
>We discuss contemporary socioeconomic issues in a frame of rhetoric beyond the Overton window. We analyze certain policies such as the minimum wage and federal tax structures. We describe a new set of wage and tax policies called normal policies and argue for their superiority over the comparable policy agenda framed by the Overton window. Coronavirus (COVID), racism, fascism, and nationalism are considered. While war followed by total reformation is certainly the best (only) solution to the present overarching societal malaise, for the purposes of scholarship we approach much of the material herein from a good faith vantage point assuming that the entrenched powers might ever permit any changes for the better to occur.


On Certain Aspects of American Economics Relevant to 2016
https://vixra.org/abs/1605.0166
>

This paper seeks to shine a light on some glaring economic problems of contemporary society. Too often economic issues are framed in the context of moral wedges that divide people. Here we select issues for discussion that likely can be solved and do not strictly require the resolution of any difficult moral quandaries. We show that certain popular debates are not so interesting because sufficient evidence exists to identify the relevant premises as true and false. We suggest an economic program based in part on hypothetical new energy resources that should guide the United States and the Earth's other national states towards a more equitable valley in the space of all economic configurations. This paper is intended to be persuasive and not purely expository.

[Anonymous No.18340420]

>>18340295

what are the elements of a hard publicity push?

[El Arcón No.18340447]

>>18340420
>what are the elements
Lead, also known as Pb.

[Anonymous No.18340554]

>>18340266
Let them sit on my computer.

[Anonymous No.18340586]

>>18339100
France and Spain read a lot of manga. South America likes anime, although the older ones like Mazinger and Saint Seiya and such. Russia reads a lot of isekai and LN like works, although mostly their own brand of it.

[Anonymous No.18340685]

What are the most relatable universal character goals that work well in fiction?

[El Arcón No.18340717]

>>18340685
RVENG

[Anonymous No.18340727]

>>18340685
survival

[Anonymous No.18340732]

>>18340420
When I'm ready I'll put a few thousand dollars into billboards, Amazon, and very likely hire an advertising firm to do things I wouldn't think of doing.
Ideally I want money in to outpace money out but it takes money to make money so when I have 7 done I feel that should give enough options for the push to be worth it.
Currently I have one full book done and half of the other. At seven I'll have two full stories done and a romance spin off.

[Anonymous No.18340782]

>>18340685
Same old goals as always. Road, Glory, Love, Revenge, Money and War.

[Anonymous No.18340980]

>>18340782
Road?

[Anonymous No.18340995]

Redpill me on worldbuilding a fictional universe

[Anonymous No.18341041]

>>18340995
If you don't create paracosms involuntarily through daydreaming, you're out of luck. You can manually create a world by planning it out on paper, but it will always be inferior to those from writers with fantasy prone personalities.

[Anonymous No.18341059]

>>18341041
It just is a lot of mental work in general, and it can get readily influenced by any media one consumes, but daydreaming is 75% of it really. The other 25% actually putting that daydreaming to writing. A lot of it should be stuff that never sees the light of day but is just for you to know in the back of your mind.

[Anonymous No.18341062]

>>18341041
bullshit. those are the people who make the most derivative cookie cutter garbage with elves and dragons.

[Anonymous No.18341067]

>>18340980
A travel story, a story about a wanderer, a story about reaching a distant goal, or personal growth from a to b.

[Anonymous No.18341243]

>dreamed of writing a webcomic since I was a kid
>couldn't learn to draw even remotely well no matter how hard I tried
>eventually gave up and became a novelist
>tfw years later even my writing has left me
>suddenly have the urge to try drawing
>remember that even at my intellectual peak I considered it hopeless
>literally no fucking hope
>give up both physically and mentally exhausted after two shitty doodles

[Anonymous No.18341359]

>>18340995
Do just enough that it doesn't overtake, or bog down, the story or characters but remember to keep it at least consistent. Mention past events (this is a trope called The Noodle Incident, not to say tropes are inherently bad, they're tools afterall) in dialogue here and there, leave just enough as drips in inner thoughts but don't go overboard and leave the rest to the reader's imagination.

If you're spending the last 6 years writing about the land the protag passes through, and all it's laws and customs and an in-depth history about the ruler and his family tree, then you're doing something very wrong. Refer to TerribleWritingAdvice for what not to do and don't spend all your time writing lore, most of the time readers won't give a shit about it anyway.

[Anonymous No.18341376]

>>18341243
Same here bro..

[Anonymous No.18341461]

>>18341376
Writing will always be there for you.

[Anonymous No.18341524]

>>18341461
it's not for me. It hasn't been in a long, long time

[Anonymous No.18341842]

>>18341524

you're writing some solid blackpill copy right now

[Anonymous No.18341873]

Is this thread still alive?
If I post some stuff (snippets and concepts) regarding a project I'm currently working on, will you anons give me some feedback?

I made a thread about this a couple of days ago, but it didn't raise any attraction quite unfortunately...

[Anonymous No.18341901]

>>18341842
anon, I don't know what to do anymore. I'm too afraid I'll try things because I'm too certain I'll fail. every failure piles up and every success is immediately forgotten

I haven't worked on my novel in months now. I stopped because my writing was getting worse and worse and I was having a harder and harder time even managing it. the despair I was feeling at what I was reduced to only mad me worse and worse and punished me until I couldn't keep going.

I don't want to be used up already, but I've got nothing left

[Anonymous No.18341922]

>>18341873
yes, and maybe

[Anonymous No.18341960]

>>18341922
Ok, here goes nothing. Here is a journal entry of a meta character I've made.

Mother Tellus weeps, her mortal children have fallen. In their lust for power they have gone back in time to what the young would call old, what the old would call ancient and what the ancient calls a myth... If I had to simplify it somehow, I remember the words of a riding desert warrior on my eternal journey: "...My world is fire and blood.", his steed a black mechanical beast and his eyes filled with pain. Perhaps in one way or another we are stuck in his shoes, our souls and our humanity shattered to the point that the only thing left is that primal instinct; the will to survive. We refuse to die even if Anubis, Nemesis, Jupiter, Raguel or Tuoni and Tuonetar themselves would demand that of us, I, if any can testify to that over the ages of time. However, having said all that it's clear that the world and the time we knew... It does not exist anymore. The memory of that yesterday will fade, withering away like everything must in due course. We only know this endless conflict, which I will struggle through as I always have, through war and death. Through hopes and dreams. Through pain and love, through the begining and the end.

My name is Æreton The Wanderluster, welcome to "Dark Tomorrow".

Yucatán, 22nd of April, 2048

[Anonymous No.18341969]

What's something you'd want one of, but not two of? Can be anything.

[Anonymous No.18342005]

>>18341969
heads

[Anonymous No.18342022]

>>18341873
I'm awake for another ~45 mins or so, then I need to go to sleep for work. I've only given feedback though like, twice in the last five threads.
Just focus on getting the ideas out of your head and on to paper. Even if nobody else likes your idea, if you like it, then you already have a fan.

[Anonymous No.18342037]

>>18342022
>Just focus on getting the ideas out of your head and on to paper. Even if nobody else likes your idea, if you like it, then you already have a fan.
Alright, thanks for the encouragement, anon.

[Anonymous No.18342057]

/wg/, I don't know how to set small manageable goals to make myself believe I'm capable of doing this. I'm not able to do what I thought was a small, manageable goal reliably any more

[Anonymous No.18342087]

>>18342057
I used to force myself to do a page a day. Every day. Document stayed open until I finished, writers block be damned. That is not sustainable but I got the book done.
Now I write 15 mins at work, 30 mins on lunch break, and when I'm watching youtube videos at home so I'm having a laugh while I'm doing my thing.
Will I finish eventually? Absolutely. It's taking a hot minute though. Then again there are days I'll feel the inner fire cast away the shadows and then bam. 15 pages in one day. That doesn't happen often though and I have no idea how to trigger it.

[Anonymous No.18342109]

>>18342087
my strategy was just 500 words a day. 500 measly words. most days I was averaging twice that.

then I slowed down. I couldn't meet goals every day. it was exhausting and the quality was getting worse and worse. It made me feel terrible. Some days I felt so bad from it I didn't manage to write a single sentence. Those days became more frequent and eventually I just stopped.

I've wasted 3 years of my life on a first draft of a novel that will likely never see the light of day

[Anonymous No.18342143]

>>18342109
Ah, so you've felt what I call the shadows too. You know you'd think it would get easier. I've put over half a million words down on paper this last decade and it still feels like I'm putting my soul into words and drains me like nothing else in this world.
The right mood does help a lot. I pray you don't have to wander the abyss like I do, but here's a song I like that helps me push.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttqnz-xnwWM

[Anonymous No.18342295]

>>18342109
>3 years of my life on a first draft of a novel
Doesn't sound half as bad. It probably takes at least 5+ year of consistent writing to be any good, whether you write one or ten novels during that time won't make that much of a difference; although it is important to actually finish shit.

[Anonymous No.18342336]

What are the most satisfying tried and tested character arcs?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18342343]

>>18342336

[Anonymous No.18342404]

>>18336176
Please add the names of the authors on these recommendations.

[Anonymous No.18342455]

>>18342343
this means nothing. it doesnt say anything specific

[Anonymous No.18342479]

>>18342455
>butterfly
>not being an obscurantist to mask her dilettantism
pick one

[Anonymous No.18342485]

>>18342479
I read that as dilatatism

[Anonymous No.18342506]

>write fanfic to practice writing
>one book becomes a trilogy with a what-if extra
>brain spirals into more fanfic ideas that demands me to work on them instead of my OC novels
At this point I'm tempted to just write fanfic smut for a living

[Anonymous No.18342839]

He charged his horse through the sleeping city. His shoulder ached. The belt cut his flesh like iron wire. Yet in the pouch lay only a meager letter. Suddenly, a shrill song struck his ear, drowning the rain and the running horse, growing louder and louder, like a hellish storm. And he thought he saw a fire at the mouth of the alley, first as large as a candle, then larger and larger, like a blazing tower, God's judgment – He opened his eyes. Barely a hand's width between him and the pavement. He felt the draft of the beating hooves and his imminent death, caught himself and pulled himself up at the last moment. It was only a dream. He had fallen asleep. In his ears the wind whistled like soft, crooked singing. He did not know where he was. His horse hurried on and on through the sleeping city. And the letter pinched his flesh like iron pincers.

[Anonymous No.18343452]

>>18342839
>And he thought he saw a fire at the mouth of the alley, first as large as a candle, then larger and larger, like a blazing tower, God's judgment – He opened his eyes
This sentence flows really poorly. Longer sentences like this really need to work to earn their keep. This one doesn't.

[Anonymous No.18343579]

>>18341901
Set a small goal instead.

[Anonymous No.18343644]

How often do you guys read your own writing? When I was a teenager I couldn't stand reading my own shit. But now if I look at something I wrote a couple months ago I impress myself, like "holy shit, did I write that? It's fucking beautiful."

[Anonymous No.18343703]

>>18339929
best one yet

[Anonymous No.18343705]

>>18343644
I have near-perfect recall of my own stories; if not word for word then at least for the parts which could possibly impress anyone. So no, I'm never impressed by anything I've written because I never forget the impressive parts. I can only find fault in retreading.

[Anonymous No.18343728]

>>18343644
That's the case with me now, at least half the time. Either it's "Holy shit, I did good on this passage," or "Yep, that's cringe but we can fix it."

[Anonymous No.18343805]

>>18340373
>you need to print money to inflate market cap
Tyler durden tier, better stick to writing rather than economics.

[Anonymous No.18343826]

>The night is another plane of existence entirely.

>It creeps in behind the day as an assailant obscured; first by tiptoe, then snatches! -- pulling the world into a place where the air oozes mystery and hidden secrets; where sight is blind and sound hints at great beasts, that might as soon eat you alive as pass you by.

>In such places, you must be grateful for what little light graces your eyes - the moon! That harsh mistress, in an eternal dance round and round and round; and the stars, fickle, flickering things that cannot compete in sheer majesty. They will light your path.

[Anonymous No.18343863]

>>18336176
I have no idea how to write a technologically advanced civilization in a medieval settings. I don't want to make my "chronos" a fucking steampunk, pipe, cog land. I want it to be more like the early Industrial society of England, but have no idea how this society will develop weird replicas of modern world...

[Anonymous No.18343934]

>>18343863
Don't try to explain it, just use the aesthetics and don't give it any more thought.

[Anonymous No.18343979]

>>18343863
Well, first, you can try to replace the historical power sources with magic.
Water wheels, wind mills, steam, oil, nuclear, etc.
Then think about how would that change society and international movements.

[Anonymous No.18344051]

>he uses ellipsis

[Anonymous No.18344069]

>>18343934
That's what steampunk writers do so no.
>Those cogs are here just for aesthetics, i don't know how they work my weird itteration of Big Ben, but it just work!
>>18343979
Thanks but there is no magic in the story. I also don't want to rely on magic stones, cores, ores, elemental stones etc.
Here's a scene what i am talking about.
Mc and his team needs to deliver arrival of a being like Cthulhu to all world. One of the team member is a character that's been called from modern world. He's a history freak and basically says they should go to "chronos" aka the city where the technology made in this world. He knows they can't build airplanes, zeplinnes, helicopters because the whole world is just entering something similar to an Industrial age. They will go to this city and the modern world team member will propose a making of air baloon and early first world war grenades. So meanwhile they can be fast at going at places they can also carpet bomb whatever tries to attack them from ground.

This city, shouldn't be a steampunkish city. Maybe i feel something similar to pic related can be used but i have no idea if it could work.

[Anonymous No.18344071]

>>18344051
Anon … why wouldn't you?

[Anonymous No.18344082]

>>18343863
It won't really be a medieval setting then anyway.

If a society speeds their development to Industrial England levels, others will learn/copy them pretty soon; or they will use their technical superiority to conquer them.

[Anonymous No.18344093]

>>18344051
I'm writing YA so it's okay.

[Anonymous No.18344100]

>>18344093
Anon... that's cringe...

[Anonymous No.18344107]

>>18344082
Indeed. I have already made my counter measures for these so i am prepared for this type of stuff on the story. I just need to imagine how this technology bastion in a medieval age would look without going too much steampunk.

[Anonymous No.18344112]

>>18344069
I was rooting for you until I read that. Garbage.

[Anonymous No.18344132]

>>18344112
Sure, this is just a draft i just made up, a scene for to make it understandable

[Anonymous No.18344176]

>May almost over
>still no progress
How do I get over the pit of depressive procrastination?

[Anonymous No.18344192]

Is this reddit prose?
>She wasn’t scared or shocked (a healthy load of adrenaline made sure of that), just confused. And, the girl had to admit, a bit disappointed, having planned to live a longer and more accomplished life than this. To make matters worse, even the circumstances of her death wouldn’t be anything noteworthy. Her friends and family won’t be able to say that Regan Smith died, let’s say, free-soloing a mountain. Or saving kids from a burning orphanage. Or by spontaneously combusting. No, it would be a car crash that did her in, like it did in so many other people before.

[Anonymous No.18344208]

It was like pulling teeth but I got my 500 words today. Hopefully it'll flow better tomorrow but progress is progress.

[Anonymous No.18344261]

>>18337507
how'd I make this post?

[Anonymous No.18344336]

>>18344192
As long as you are not writing an isekai story it's a good view of dead bed mentality.

[Anonymous No.18344473]

What's the appeal of isekai? I never got it.

[Anonymous No.18344481]

>>18344336
What's wrong with isekai? Other than the majority of them being not so good?

[Anonymous No.18344499]

>>18344473
McWagies and hopeless NEETs see Japanese authors getting big from isekai web novels and start romanticizing the genre. They view it as salvation and think they can replicate the Narou phenomenon on Retard Road. (They can't.)

[Anonymous No.18344532]

>>18344473
there is none. it's a nakedly derivative "genre" born of social media culture. i'm still pretty convinced that nobody actually reads isekai, it's just isekai writers promoting other isekai writers. the least-bad of them are the ones who corner the isekai-writer market and appear to have financial success.

[Anonymous No.18344542]

>>18344473
Jap society doesn't favor individualiam, so isekai will always be firmly entrenched in that region because it let's them self insert into a character that let's then express themselves and stand out in a other world society that values them

[Anonymous No.18344544]

>>18344336
>As long as you are not writing an isekai story it's a good view of dead bed mentality.
I'm not, but she does survive.

[Anonymous No.18344560]

>>18344499
>>18344532
I never knew isekai was such a menace outside of Japanese LNs, but I don't really visit royal road or stuff like that ever even though I maybe should a bit more.

Makes me feel a bit self-conscious that the story I write is in it's most technical sense a story about some isekai'd characters and some who aren't, but the tropes of isekai end there.

[Anonymous No.18344571]

>>18344544
Good. Maybe post accident power awakening or world view change story it is then. There was nothing reddit in that paragraph

[Anonymous No.18344573]

>>18344560
how not to write an isekai: don't actively decide to write in an "anime" style. don't call it an isekai. done. it's literally nothing to worry about; the definition of a literary flash in the pan, if it even qualifies as such.

[Anonymous No.18344584]

>>18344573
What even is an "anime" style? Like exaggerated actions or something? I actually have no idea.

[Anonymous No.18344599]

>>18344584
say you're big into anime and think it's the pinnacle of fiction. you want to write something that captures the fee fee's you get when watching your favorite anime. it's hard to quantify, but it's obvious when someone watches too much anime and tries to write.

[Anonymous No.18344601]

>>18344571
Alright, thanks!

[Anonymous No.18344604]

>>18344560
That's absolutely okay.
You can distinct isekai on the tropes of love, harem, self insert power hunger characters, uninteresting boring settings that are clearly resembles any fantasy setting (elfs, castles, orcs bad guy goblin bad guy etc.)
There was only one isekai that i actually found interesting but even that doesn't escape some bullshit tropes. Youjo Senki pulls a good isekai. Isekai writers should study that series. I genuienly think that is only original isekai so far i read.

[Anonymous No.18344620]

>>18344604
>You can distinct isekai on the tropes of love, harem, self insert power hunger characters, uninteresting boring settings that are clearly resembles any fantasy setting
But those are a part of a majority of western works that call themselves fantasy despite being medieval fiction with magic.

[Anonymous No.18344634]

>>18344620
Only difference is execution i guess. The modern jap, thinks dying and then realizing you now live in a better world is the core of this genre. It's just escapism through dying, western fantasy with magic is just the setting is already there. The characteristics are sure similar but the isekai is just escapism through real world.

[Anonymous No.18344644]

>>18344604
To me the primary trope of isekai is the main character being extremely relatable in the sense that they literally lived in our society and carry all the knowledge one living in it would have. I can see why an author would take that route as it makes the main character piss easy to write but also lack a distinguishable identity. Not really what I'm going for.
>>18344599
I think I get what you're saying while at the same time can't fathom how that would be a thing. It would just feel awkward on the page I think?

[Anonymous No.18344652]

>>18344634
A lot of isekai doesn't have dying. Instead it's teleportation, possession, soul/memory transfer, crossdimensional counterparts, etc.

[Anonymous No.18344689]

>>18344644
That's like asking the question of "What if you went to 1500s era.?" We as humans don't know everything. Just because the character getting shipped to a another realm doesn't make him/her omniscience. We just know partially about everything. You can't just go and say "man i can invent the fuck out of electricity" you won't do that because you just see the big electric towers but have no knowledge how they work.
That's what most isekai writers negledge with, god gives me cellphone so i can look it up, or i wished from god to know everything. It still proves my point that it's just a escapism through fantasy and most powerful version of it.

[Anonymous No.18344710]

>>18344689
Oh yeah, I wasn't disagreeing about the escapism bit at all.

[Anonymous No.18344783]

>>18344689
Basic knowledge of medicine and germ theory alone would make anyone at the very least a miracle healer during the times though.

[Anonymous No.18344800]

>>18344783
If he doesn't kill all the world by himself at that point. You forget that when europeans arrived at the new world, people of new world died en mass because of small pox. A modern man arriving at an isekai world kill a lot of people before even helping with his knowledge...

[Anonymous No.18344820]

>>18344800
>In Europe and Asia, mortality rates from smallpox were approximately 30%. In the Americas, mortality rates were higher due to the virgin soil phenomenon, in which indigenous populations were at a higher risk of being affected by epidemics because there had been no previous contact with the disease, preventing them from gaining some form of immunity. Estimates of mortality rates resulting from smallpox epidemics range between 38.5% for the Aztecs, 50% for the Piegan, Huron, Catawba, Cherokee, and Iroquois, 66% for the Omaha and Blackfeet, 90% for the Mandan, and 100% for the Taino. Smallpox epidemics affected the demography of the stricken populations for 100 to 150 years after the initial first infection.

[Anonymous No.18344849]

>>18344800
It's more likely they will die themselves since most of the shit is eradicated in our time, and unless someone is a soldier, they rarely get too many vaccines.

Though given the sanitary situation, I don't get the appeal for all the past settings either way.

[Anonymous No.18344895]

>>18344849
You kind of just brush over the implications of numerous species interacting in without fundamental advancements necessary for population growth, least in a fantasy setting I guess?

[Anonymous No.18345314]

>critiquing people's writing outside of /lit/
>literally everything i read is way, way worse than even the most braindead animefag on /wg/
>makes me unironically wistful for the comparatively masterful language of seminal /wg/ mainstays like Wish Mountain and Another Anime Story
is this how it works in general? are we actually significantly above the competency of the world of "writers" at large?

[Anonymous No.18345490]

>>18345314
Nah.

[Anonymous No.18345617]

>>18343863
Find all the glaring problems and inconsistencies with your setting so you can better fix/justify them. Get a detailed image of what you want to create and research what you want to emulate. I find https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/ a useful resources for these types of questions.

[Anonymous No.18345636]

>>18344069
You an ESL?

[Anonymous No.18345690]

>>18345617
I didn't know a page like that existed. Thanks a lot, i will think more on it.
>>18345636
No? I don't know what's that sorry.

[Anonymous No.18345767]

>>18336176
Practicing some free-writing in order to break out of the writers block.

Love that invites unfortunate impediments that removes any corrections maturity may have made. Starlight falls on dark barks in shadowy forests that exercise the poetry and the ideas held in the darkest recesses of the mind, unafraid of true expression if only made out and made mature. These ideas are occasioned by madmen and sophists who pleasure in nice wordsmithing has meant a bad bad bad sort of placement on what ideas they seek to espouse. This marriage of bad ideas that loves to alter the morality and removes the goodness well situated within the hearts of men, This star and worth and the sightless couriers that carry the lovegood chemicals that make the masses smile and adore those beside them.

[Anonymous No.18346166]

>>18345767
i don't even look at my freewrites. i sure as shit don't share them. the only thing anyone can do is bully you over that because it's not good. the shitty part is that when you get shit on for posting your shitty freewrite, it's completely unnecessary because your freewrite being shit says absolutely nothing about you as a writer. everyone's freewrites are shit 99.999999% of the time. their purpose is to just break down your mental barriers to putting words to paper. that's literally it, in and of itself. it's a meta-activity, not designed to produce anything at all except the mindset which produces things.

let's not normalize posting freewrites.

[Anonymous No.18346254]

>>18346166
I don't do any free writes really, is this odd?

[Anonymous No.18346586]

>>18346166
ah I didn't consider that at all, you're absolutely right anon, my bad.

[Anonymous No.18346599]

>>18341960
Haha get snubbed.

[Anonymous No.18346602]

>>18346254
Not that anon but I'd say no. Free writing may not be something you need to get the juices flowing. For me, it is how I discovered the idea for my first novel.

[Anonymous No.18346613]

>>18346602
it's also how i discovered the idea for the novella i'm working on right now, but the idea didn't actually come out of any of the content of that write, if that makes sense. like you say, it really did just get the juices flowing. i personally freewrite pretty frequently, especially when i sit down to write and i'm just not feeling it. it could be something about the freewriting itself, or it could even just be the ritual. either way, i find it helpful.

[Anonymous No.18346615]

>>18345690
ESL means "English Second Language", i.e., someone who knows English but isn't a native speaker.

[Anonymous No.18346625]

>>18346613
>the idea didn't actually come out of any of the content of that write
actually, i guess i take that back. a half-baked sneed permutation came to mind while i was writing. i later went back and tried to make it actually work and that became the seed for my novella.

[Anonymous No.18346661]

>>18344573
>>18344584
The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant is technically Isekai but it has no hint of weeb faggotry.

[Anonymous No.18346668]

>>18346661
yeah and it's a fantastic series from start to finish. it's profoundly different from a power fantasy though, and donaldson doesn't minimize covenant's real life.

[Anonymous No.18346723]

>>18346661
And it’s shit.

[Anonymous No.18346892]

>>18345636
Yes. I know, i made a lot of grammar mistakes here and there.

[Anonymous No.18346900]

>>18346668
>>18346723
Duality of man

[Anonymous No.18346943]

>>18346661
god I just want to write realistic weeb animal girls and mentally break them after the reader comes to like them

[Anonymous No.18347206]

i made a post last week with my unformatted draft.

if anyone who read it is here again, im about a third of the way through reformatting it as a screenplay format.

https://pastebin.com/3kdTwanv

my comic is mostly visual, so there's little dialogue for majority of scenes, so if im not using action lines correctly, or if there's a better way to format actions without dialogue, i would appreciate the advice.

ill post the rest of the screenplay draft when its finished, for now im only asking for format advice since that is what most who read it had a problem with.

thanks everyone who gave advice last week.

[Anonymous No.18347317]

What are good ways to hook a reader into your book?

[Anonymous No.18347333]

>>18347317
likeable character, over arching questions, and your first scene.

this is a pretty common question, id suggest just watching a solid days worth of writers/filmmakers youtube videos on how to make a story. they will all mention it at least once.

"story hooks"

[Anonymous No.18347447]

Should you never reuse character archetypes like the grizzled soldier? Does everyone cycle through a list of archetypes upon which they can never write again?

[Anonymous No.18347485]

>>18347447
looking at characters in that way is very 2 dimensional.
if you have a story about a bunch of veterans you're going to have many "grizzled soldier" types in one room for many scenes. so no, you can reuse the same archetype, they are still individuals and have different ambitions or issues to face in any given story.

Tolkien had the main character of his series be a hobbit as the unlikely hero to already superior fighters and adventurers.
tom clancy continues to write book after book on different groups of "grizzled soldiers"
anime and manga continue to use the same bland 14 year old as a starting point to step in the shoes of for every Shonen.

as long as the character works well as an independent, it doesn't matter if you can describe them as a common archetype. its when that archetype is there only personality trait does it make it feel bland or repetitive.

[Anonymous No.18347557]

>>18336176
Things seem to be going well, thanks OP! It's really a case of psyching myself up for working and getting progress. It's odd - the task seems so daunting when I'm not working on it that it makes me certainly want to stop. Cutting it into tiny little pieces helps, I suppose.

[Anonymous No.18347625]

>the realization that you're about 6 chapters off from finishing a character's arc
I dunno how to feel about this bros...

[Anonymous No.18347713]

>>18347447
Archetypes are merely molds that help the reader try to identify a character with some preconceived notion, it is then up to you as the writer to both satisfy the reader's preconceived notions or surprise them in a positive way (not necessarily meaning a way that makes them sympathize with the character). I just think of it as molds, but every character is their own person too.

[Anonymous No.18347722]

>>18347625
character arcs are for animefags sorry

[Anonymous No.18347726]

>>18347722
Does that mean literature like Hamlet is anime, then?

[Anonymous No.18347731]

>>18347722
Is this just shitposting or actually a thing? I read general information that western audiences look more for plot and setting driven stories rather than characters.

[Anonymous No.18347736]

>>18347722
Animefags are the only ones writings so...

[Anonymous No.18348103]

show me your anime now

[Anonymous No.18348160]

>>18348103
ok https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/31062/saga-of-the-cosmic-heroes

[Anonymous No.18348211]

What are the best fable story outlines to rip off? I like the Farmer and the Viper. Any other cool ones?

[Anonymous No.18348228]

>>18348160
>Happ-Schwarzenberger
kek

[Anonymous No.18348249]

>>18348160
am i dumb or is the grammar slightly off in the first chapter?

[Anonymous No.18348251]

>>18348249
Grammar is fine. Don't know what you're seeing.

[Anonymous No.18348258]

>>18348228
It's kinda meta, she is slightly annoyed being reminded that her surname is lousy.

[Anonymous No.18348262]

>>18348103
I mean as long as we're cuddling up with a good book.
On another note I'm not too far from page 100. I might do something silly to keep it fresh but we'll see.

[Anonymous No.18348293]

wow this thread has gone to complete shit. i guess psueds decided to nuke it just so animefags wouldn't be able to discuss anything.

[Anonymous No.18348350]

>>18348293
What do you mean? It's been okay recently. Could be far worse with insane schizo posting like the anime OP.

[Anonymous No.18348367]

>>18348350
Stop taking the bait.

[Anonymous No.18348391]

>>18348350
>It's been okay recently
with bait like this? >>18338113
yea sure.

[Anonymous No.18348400]

>>18345314
We're the best cesspool on the internet. But really, people here are (generally) not underage nor sensitive to honest criticism. Chan users are more resilient and motivated to pursue their craft for its own sake, no upvotes needed. /wg/ is, or at least was, focused on critique and improvement.

[Anonymous No.18348435]

>>18348400
>pursue their craft
yeah their craft of shitting up royalroad with even more faggy anime isekais

[Anonymous No.18348467]

>>18348293
i wish! the animefags persist. no regrets on the salted earth attitude though, they deserve nothing more.

[Anonymous No.18348547]

Is Harry Potter an Isekai?

[Anonymous No.18348551]

>>18348547
yes

[Anonymous No.18348572]

Hello I’m new here and I’m thinking about writing a book about my experiences. Without trying to sound egotistical or braggadocios I am a walking medical miracle. I shouldn’t be alive but I am. I’ve had people come up to me and ask about me writing a book or them helping me write one, my doctors are like celebrities in the medical world and they are basically my friends so I can get good interviews stories etc… I just have no idea how to go about this. Do I write a rough draft and take it to an editor or go straight to an editor or someone and tell them the story and have them help me form it? Any good beginners guides or something? If I go on joe rogan to promote it I’ll shout you guys out

[Anonymous No.18348578]

>>18348467
Go actually write something with all your free time faggot.

[Anonymous No.18348594]

>>18348547
>>18348551
no

portal fantasy =/= isekai

>hurr is alice in wonderland an isekai?

[Anonymous No.18348607]

They're unironically, literally, the same thing. Yes, Alice and Harry Potter are isekai/portal fantasies.

[Anonymous No.18348618]

A picture is worth a thousand words.
Why would you dedicate your life to juggling phonemes instead of embracing superior and more artistically pure storytelling formats?

[Anonymous No.18348627]

>>18348618
Bait like this is why animefags are superior. No one really cares about writing here anymore.

[Anonymous No.18348658]

>>18348618
the fuck is a phoneme
speak english you maniac

[Anonymous No.18348745]

>>18348607
Harry Potter is extremely the case seeing as its escapism for bullied kids becoming the chosen one. It fits the bill straightaway.

[Anonymous No.18348759]

>>18348607
You're a moron

[Anonymous No.18348764]

>>18348618
Good that a book has 100k+ words then.

The superior and more pure medium is music but I got too late into it.

[Anonymous No.18348822]

TELL ME RIGHT NOW
Is "Termetuous" a word?! I've heard it used, and have a good understanding of the word, but when I search for it I find nothing! Help!!!

[Anonymous No.18348833]

>>18348822
sounds cool idk use it

[Anonymous No.18348941]

>>18348822
You're a writer, faggot. Use whatever words you want, just make sure the meaning of the made up ones is guessable in context or even explained by the characters.

[Anonymous No.18348975]

>>18336176
BLACK LIVES MATTER
>BLACK LIVES MATTER
BLACK LIVES MATTER
>BLACK LIVES MATTER

[Anonymous No.18348988]

>>18348975
Indeed, they do, brother.

[Anonymous No.18348997]

>>18348594
It is

[Anonymous No.18349008]

>>18348941
>>18348833
You're right. Thanks guys.

[Anonymous No.18349085]

>>18348997
retard

[Anonymous No.18349133]

>world population is 8 billion
>let's assume that half of them buy my book at 1$
>I would have 4 billion USD
>tax and whatnot
>have 1 billion USD left for my retire fund

[Anonymous No.18349142]

>>18349133
>inflation hits

[Anonymous No.18349154]

>>18349133
>asteroid hits

[Anonymous No.18349190]

>>18348572
Get a ghostwriter.

[Anonymous No.18349196]

>>18349133
Kek , half the world wouldn't read it.

[Anonymous No.18349203]

>>18349133
>let's assume that half of them buy my book at 1$
Half of them don't even have the money for that. Around one billion only speaks English in the first place, likely half as many at a level to read a book in it. Let's be very generous and assume your story would be interesting enough for half of these and we're still at pretty solid 250m ... but you'd have to get their attention somehow, and we're down to 250 people unless you're already e-famous. After the Amazon cuts you're down to 150 bucks or so. Might just cover the costs for the cover artist.

[Anonymous No.18349246]

>>18340300
How many have you sold?
Please give some positive respond.

[Anonymous No.18349248]

>>18340732
Fucking whore, you’re no artist.

[Anonymous No.18349265]

>>18349085
Ad hominem isn’t going to make you less wrong.

[Anonymous No.18349306]

>>18349190
I’m a good writer I just need outside feedback

[Anonymous No.18349322]

>>18337864
what's a fucking car?

[Anonymous No.18349346]

>>18336176
I finally started writing a novel, but I feel like a fraud. How do I overcome?

[Anonymous No.18349375]

Did you know that Royal Road has achievements, like a video game on Steam?

[Anonymous No.18349380]

>>18349375
Yes, anon, we get it, you hate it Royal road, because animefags write more than you. Can you please stop with this petty bullshit already? It’s getting tiresome.

[Anonymous No.18349384]

>>18340300
>>18349246
he's sold one more, I just bought his book

and you've been working on it for 20 years? how old are you

[Anonymous No.18349391]

>>18349380
> someone talks about RR
> some autist: REEEEE some non sequitur about animu

[Anonymous No.18349425]

>>18340300
> literary zeal, and colorful characters
> literary zeal

Did you write the description, anon?

[Anonymous No.18349448]

>>18349425
the ebook and the paperback have different descriptions, strangely. he replaces zeal with flourish for the ebook

> From medieval fantasy to ultra-high tech, The Weather Vane is a fast-paced adventure full of fun and excitement, literary flourish, and colorful characters

[Anonymous No.18349468]

>>18349448
The reviewers only having one review (and one shizo take) doesn't help the cause either.

[Anonymous No.18349506]

>>18349468
yeah, the review that references to what I assume is a /sci/ meme torpedoes any chance of the book gaining legitimacy. Might as well have named the book Sneed by Chad N. G. Thunderpen. Still, if someone from /wg/ writes a book and puts it on Amazon, I'll buy it

[Anonymous No.18349516]

>>18349306
>I’m a good writer
Have you written a novel before? Or how do you know that you're a good writer?

[Anonymous No.18349522]

>Bosun Bicklesworth

[Anonymous No.18349551]

>>18349248
I couldn't sleep so I checked the thread to see this. I'm kind of lucky. I would have missed it otherwise.
A lot can happen between now and the publishing of that seventh book. Advertising may not even be necessary. Then again perhaps it will.
As you can tell advertising is not a talent I possess. However those that see the art that I create deem it so, so they might disagree with you there.
Have a good night friends. May both our dreams bring more inspiration upon the shore of our collective shadows.
May the darkness become ink for your pen, and the light your paper.
G'nite.

[Anonymous No.18349582]

This is the prologue chapter to a not-XCOM not-fanfic I'm planning to put on Royal Road.
Any opinions?
>https://pastebin.com/BGhrxrLL

[Anonymous No.18349627]

>>18349582
I'm hooked, and I want to read the rest of the story, this is coming from someone who dnf after chapter 1 for 80% of the sci fi genre

[Anonymous No.18349668]

>>18349582
>https://pastebin.com/BGhrxrLL
yes. Fuck yes. This is why i keep coming here i think. That occasional actually well executed good idea. It has the perfect amount of hard sci fi technobabble, very Clarke-esque. ygmi.

[Anonymous No.18349674]

>>18349582
honestly you should sell it, put it on Amazon and it'd sell like hotcakes

[Anonymous No.18349679]

>>18349627
>>18349668
>>18349674
Well this was unexpected. I'm happy you guys like it!

[Anonymous No.18349719]

I'm just not feeling it. It's so nice outside, why should I be cooped up indoors writing?

[Anonymous No.18349720]

>>18349668
Was excited to read it after this post but I didn't find it too gripping. Though the writer is obviously competent which is a nice change too.

[Anonymous No.18349725]

>>18349719
You can write outside too.

[Anonymous No.18349729]

>>18349725
No I can't, there's no electricity for my compumamoter out there

[Anonymous No.18349735]

>>18349582
There's a noticeable continuity gap between Sophie being asleep and Sophie reading the printout. I think it would be best if you address her waking up directly.

I think it would be nice if we stayed a little longer with Sophie and her reaction to the discovery. As it is now, I feel like we're switching perspectives a beat too soon.

[Anonymous No.18349736]

>>18349719
Nobody cares.

[Anonymous No.18349739]

>>18349736
You cared enough to respond.

[Anonymous No.18349741]

>>18349739
Because you're shitting up the thread with your post. So fuck off.

[Anonymous No.18349753]

>>18349729
>2015+6
>got no tablet or laptop
Anon, what the hell. Besides, you at least have a phone, no?

[Anonymous No.18349761]

>>18349741
Had I truly read it correctly? Had the petulant child truly thrown yet another tantrum? He had, he most certainly had. How to respond? How to calm him down? How many more sentences could I write that begun with the letter h? History would have to be my judge.

[Anonymous No.18349774]

>>18349761
>Blogposter shitting up the thread
Like clockwork

[Anonymous No.18349775]

>>18349761
You blogposters are just cancerous

[Anonymous No.18349783]

>>18349735
Thanks, I was a bit worried about the perspective switches too. Shouldn't be too hard to fix though.

[Anonymous No.18349810]

>>18349761
Do you know where we are? You recognize it, don't you? That's right, we're in your mother's kitchen. Take a sniff. Mommy was cooking. Mhm mhm, smells delicious, don't it. It sure does. They're probably eating right now - your parents - and you're not with them. Isn't that doozy. Well, well, well. Why don't you take your pants off. It's awfully hot in here, with the cooking and all. Take 'em off. Show me your little willy, your tiny peepee, boy. Yes, yes, there it is. Good boy.

[Anonymous No.18349816]

>>18349810
Nice. It looked like build up for a "I'll bang your mom" joke but had a somewhat surprising ending.

[Anonymous No.18349823]

>>18349774
>>18349775
On Sunday, May 30th, Reginald had finally had his fill of it. First it had been the anime posters; they had come like thieves in the night to the board and staked their claim. At first he had tried to fight it, pleading with others to see the harm the weebs could do.
“They will ruin the whole thread! Look at them and their anime pictures!” he cried, but it was but the cry of Cassandra, heard but not heeded. Soon anime pictures appeared in the OP and in other posts also, and anime writers stalked the thread at all hours, posting their cringe-inducing drivel with impunity, with none but Reginald to oppose them.
“It was a losing battle to begin with”, he wrote in his journal, “for was this website not weeb country from the very founding?”

But it was on that Sunday at the end of May that it happened, that which he could no longer endure, a threat greater even than the weebs. It was the blogposters! Speaking of their idle days and idle deeds, without an iota of literary content to give! Reginald had written many things that day, and discussions of high calibre were being had by himself and Hastings, the weebs were asleep or inebriated, and they had the run of the place for once. And into this good company ran the blogposters with their pictures of cats and their senseless attentionwhoring. No more, no more! cried the heart of Reginald, as he set finger to keyboard and called them out. He had lost to the weebs, but he would not, could not! lose to the blogposters.

[Anonymous No.18349826]

>>18349810
Was it an uncle who did it?

[Anonymous No.18349852]

>>18349720
oh i guess i made the mistake of getting someone's hopes up! Well it was intended more as a morale boost to the guy who wrote it rather than to... give others a proper representation. I personally like this type of sci-fi a lot, and maybe it's cause i like clarke and chrichton (and dislike almost everyone else).

[Anonymous No.18349868]

>>18349346
Just keep writing, change the fuck out of everything that even you won't understand at some point where did you took reference

[Anonymous No.18349907]

>>18349823
What are you even on about?

[Anonymous No.18349914]

why do so many royal road/isekai/xianxia authors write like they're actual sociopaths? their characters almost never try to form connections with other characters or are driven by anything but self-interest under the guise of being analytical or "realistic"

[Anonymous No.18349925]

>>18349914
How many have you actually read? Because barring a few examples, none of what you said is true.

[Anonymous No.18349949]

>>18349907
An unthinkable scenario. Someone had mocked him! Reginald twirled his moustache and pondered how to retort. He poured himself some brandy and sipped it. No, nothing came to mind. No witty comeback, no elaborate word games with which to dazzle and confound. Reginald’s mind was empty of all intelligent responses.
“Bah!” he spat, throwing the brandy into his fireplace. The glass shattered and the flames jumped as the liquid fed them. Instant regret overcame him, a momentary spike of temper and a valuable glass had been lost, and on the morrow the pieces would have to be scooped up from the ashes. But that was a worry for another day. For the moment Reginald had to find a way to give answer to the challenge before him. He walked to his desk, his silken robes rustling. His left hand rose to his temple, his fingers combed through his hair. What a thing, what a bloody old thing! The fingers of his right hand tapped at the keyboard.
“What are you even on about?” he wrote. That would send the for a spin, by Jove!

[Anonymous No.18349952]

>>18349949
Alright my schizo friend. Just remember to take your meds when you had your fun. You really need them.

[Anonymous No.18349957]

>>18349823
>>18349949

[Anonymous No.18349963]

>>18349957
"You're gay." I nodded.

[Anonymous No.18349976]

>>18349925
most of them

[Anonymous No.18349983]

>>18349914
Because they are power fantasy, and bad take of stupid cliches. If you have looked deeply into chinese novel, manhua books that there are always families that try to bully other weak families, people always use their family name to overcome anything, people mock other people. They are selfish creatures hence comes the selfish writing. You can see the fundamental wrongs of a society by looking what they keep writing. Japs, chinese and koreans write stupid escapism, power fantasy through dying and gaining powers suddenly. On the inside they want to get rid of theri overburdened late stage capitalist societies moral degradiation but have no idea, so they just escape to their fantasy and while doing that, making one or two bucks at the same time.

[Anonymous No.18349990]

>>18349983
Pretty based. We should start doing that more here in the west.

[Anonymous No.18349992]

>>18349952
Ah, but there it was! The answer had been staring at him from the wall of his study all along. Uncle Eldred’s portrait! That was the very thing! Had not Uncle Eldred suffered from mental illness? Schizophrenia, was it? Yes, there was something none could fight. Reginald had but to accuse his opponent of being a schizo, and thus would he win the whole argument!

“Alright my schizo friend. Just remember to take your meds when you had your fun. You really need them.”

A grin spread on Reginald’s face, showing off the crooked teeth common to his family. There! Now let’s see the little bastard bounce back from that trouncing! Oh ho, if only Hastings and Lomax were here now to see this! Their congratulatory pats on his back and a few raised glasses of sherry would make victory taste all the sweeter. But wait! Could not screencaps be taken and saved for later usage? Now there was a thought. It made him giggle a little to himself. Perhaps the thread could still be saved. Victories such as this were rare, true, but they could be long remembered if saved for posterity and those records frequently visited. Reginald took out his pipe. He would enjoy a smoke in the foyer and then sup on some cold chicken from last night. What a fight he’d had today! He’d slain a primordial bull, even like Mithra had. The pen was truly mightier than the sword.

[Anonymous No.18350027]

>>18349990
Do what? Copy their morally degraded viewpoint of world, only having worth in society if you are high on ranks, always point fingers at people so they can never develop mentally, use our family names without achieving anything individually, escape to our mind instead of developing as a community with self worth?
Nah those are too much overwork, let's just copy their based light novels so we become based like them.

[Anonymous No.18350029]

>>18349957
This is only valid in America though

[Anonymous No.18350050]

>>18349992
the silent supporters of Reginald kept watching from the sidelines. In a way they admired his foolhardiness, this Don Quixote of /wg/. But they knew better than to join him in his plight. They knew he was destined to lose. After all, the gods themselves...

[Anonymous No.18350059]

>>18350029
Yeah, it's a pretty pointless photo, I only posted because how useless it really is.

[Anonymous No.18350083]

>>18349868
Thanks, that's actually good advice.

[Anonymous No.18350087]

>>18350027
It's too late friend. We have to dance the heathen dance. Me on the bottom right.

[Anonymous No.18350108]

>>18350087
Noooo stop pulling my beautiful hair and beard you fiend, i still have isekai power fantasies i have to write noooooo

[Anonymous No.18350126]

>>18349516
Ive written a number of short stories and a novel in college that were praised by my professors/peers. Nothing published. I’m just saying in my eyes I have the potential. Ive never written anything like a biography or memoir. I need help condensing or focusing the story, then promoting it and getting it sold or published things like that. I am partially disabled so this would be great source of income for me if I could sell my story (not my primary reason for wanting to do the book)

[Anonymous No.18350142]

>>18350126
Protip: if people you like tell you you're good, chances are they're just being polite and don't actually like it.

[Anonymous No.18350145]

>>18350142
Shh... let him live in his delusion.

[Anonymous No.18350152]

>>18350126
My middle grade teacher said my story was great even though it was shit. They’re just being polite, anon.

[Anonymous No.18350185]

>>18350029
Just ignore that image.

[Anonymous No.18350191]

>>18349133
Severely overestimating your chances.

[Anonymous No.18350231]

>>18348578
It’s sad really, when you think about it..

[Anonymous No.18350242]

>>18339100
It does well in sites with writing so there's a clear market for it.

[Anonymous No.18350251]

>>18346599
Dubs of truth.

[Anonymous No.18350255]

>>18350126
What if they're only telling you that you're good because you're the disabled medical freak kid? Like how people are fake nice to amputees, literal retards, kids with cancer, etc

[Anonymous No.18350265]

>>18350255
Give him a break, he needs the moral boost.

[Anonymous No.18350269]

>>18344481
It breaks the immersion of any fantasy world by having a character who's not from that setting take centre stage. It's a copout for those who can't realize a setting without injecting self-inserts or modern day references. Do your world building, design the characters within that world as well as some events, then ask yourself if you need a character from another setting.

[Anonymous No.18350272]

>>18350126
Just give it a try and write your novel. If it doesn't work out, you can always get someone else to help you.

[Anonymous No.18350273]

>>18350272
Don’t encourage him.

[Anonymous No.18350279]

New thread.
>>18350276

[Anonymous No.18350287]

>>18350265
If that anon is reasonablely attractive and has a "respectable" visible disability, he can sell his books based on that alone, his books don't even have to be good. Normies love supporting medical freaks

[Anonymous No.18350296]

>>18350287
Personality is the selling point here, and I doubt that anon has it to sell his book.

[Anonymous No.18350299]

>>18350269
Eh, you're comparing apples and oranges. Isekai is simply a twist on the fantasy formula. There is no fundamental problem with it. A main character getting caught up in a world he doesn't belong in is a classic staple of fairy tales and fantasy. I think your immersion is broken for two reasons: 1) Most isekai seems to be badly written. 2) You have a personal dislike for this kind of twist.

[Anonymous No.18350315]

>>18350296
I don't think he needs personality. Assuming that he's attractive, all he just needs is to publicize his disability and he'll be rolling in sales. If he's actually a pretty grill, even better. Something like this

> Westlake Teenager Publishes Book to Inspire Other Children With Dyslexia

At just 15 years old, a teenager from Westlake is already a published author. Her mission to help others is #SomethingGood.

Karlayna Platt, a sophomore at Westlake Academy, just published her first book last week called "Inspire Your Power."

It's a passion project born from her journey with dyslexia. Platt was diagnosed with the learning disorder in the 3rd grade.

“My parents thought I was struggling a little because I would get frustrated. I have a twin sister and she was a little ahead of me,” she said. “I was really confused. I didn’t really know what was going on but I just remember being frustrated with myself and not understanding why I couldn’t pick up topics as fast as everyone.”

With the help of teachers, family and friends, Karlayna has worked hard to make sure her diagnoses didn't stop her from living life to the fullest. Outside of classes, she is active on her high school volleyball team and does community work through the National Charity League.

And more recently, she was able to turn her challenges into a way to help others. This year, she was assigned a school project on any topic of interest.

What started out as a journal filled with her writings transformed into a full-fledged book.

“As I was going through it, I realized that I was creating something more for empowerment and confidence. So it just turned into this book that is really to inspire children and to let them understand that they can do anything that they want," she said. “It’s incredible. I never thought that I would become a published author!”

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/something-good/westlake-teenager-publishes-book-to-inspire-other-children-with-dyslexia/2574270/

[Anonymous No.18350374]

>>18350299
>There is no fundamental problem with it
You're right. I've always said that any premise can be written well if the author's prose and characters are up to scratch. I think the only reason I'm not a fan of the genre is because the protagonist is never as interesting as the characters from the new world. It makes me wonder why they're even a part of the story when their removal would give me more of what I like about those kinds of storys.

[Anonymous No.18350415]

>>18349196
exactly, but the other half would

[Anonymous No.18350425]

>>18348467
Agreed. Animefags would have everyone here write as they do: bland, safe, pedestrian. I've been watching the dynamics of this general for a bit and I'm inclined to mostly lay fault at the feet of the animefags, who seem to be the only people who have strict ideas on what writing "should" be. It seems like every time I catch a big argument in progress, it's some anon basically saying "well, you don't HAVE to write in the midst simplistic way you possibly can," while the animefags screech and bait and kvetch over how their personal aesthetic is tantamount to scripture and that anyone who has the utter pretension of trying to write something more ambitious is a "pseud" who's NGMI.

I can totally understand why animefags are a scourge here, and over the short time I've been around this general I've developed a pretty intense distaste for the way they try to drag everything down to their level by stating their opinions as writing fact. Maybe that's the only way they feel like they can compete, I don't know. Either way, animefags don't really belong on this board. Surely there's some discord or subr*ddit that'd suit them better.

[Anonymous No.18350434]

>>18348572
>If I go on joe rogan to promote it I’ll shout you guys out
Under no circumstances are you to publicly advertise us. God knows we've already got enough retards and dilettantes here to fill the bleachers of a small stadium. The writing isn't important at all for nonfiction. It just needs to be readable. Don't use words like "braggadocious" in nonfiction.

[Anonymous No.18350453]

>>18350434
what about words like termetuous?

[Anonymous No.18350710]

>>18350453
I think they both Suck and Fuck but neither Seed nor Feed.

[Anonymous No.18350782]

>>18350315
> With the help of teachers, family and friends, Karlayna has worked hard to make sure her diagnoses didn't stop her from living life to the fullest. Outside of classes, she is active on her high school volleyball team and does community work through the National Charity League.

They talk about dyslexia like she's paraplegic or something...

[Anonymous No.18350949]

>>18350782
Kek

[Anonymous No.18351135]

>>18350425
>animefags don't really belong on this board. Surely there's some discord or subr*ddit that'd suit them better.
literally an anime website.

[Anonymous No.18351198]

>>18351135
I don't have a problem with anime itself. Animefags, however, are fucking worthless. They are to literature what picrel is to anime. Hell, just watch the actual fucking video. This is a direct analogy.
>https://youtu.be/XP5lz2CYNR4

[Anonymous No.18351206]

>>18351198
Forgot picrel

[Anonymous No.18351347]

When writing rhetorical questions in dialogue do you ended it with a question mark?

[Anonymous No.18351586]

>>18336176
Just send off my “fantasy” piece which is really just a Snorri Sturluson fanfic

[Anonymous No.18351706]

kind of a vague question, it probably doesn't even matter as much as i think it does.

so there's the rule of thirds, not only for taking photos but also for for stories.

for example, chekhov's gun. if its shown in one scene it should be shot in the climax. shawn of the dead uses this as a literal gun. questioned in act 1 if it really fires, brought up in question again before the climax, and then finally shot and used as a weapon in the climax for the rest of the film.

more loosely, in community, throughout the show "Beetlejuice" is said three times across multiple seasons, and on the third time its said towards the end of season 3 someone is dressed as Beetlejuice walks through the background of the scene.

in my story im writing, i have these androids who turn on and shut off with a distinct tone playing. once to show they are androids activating despite their organic appearance, a second when it deliberately shuts down for a passing storm, a third time when one is killed, and a forth when the twist comes that a main character is an android themselves when killed by the protagonist.

im wondering if i should only stick to three times the activation sound is used, and that having it any more would be too obvious that it plays a bigger role, or too redundant.

[Anonymous No.18351743]

>>18351706
Then add something else besides the sound. What is making that noise, endoskeleton joints, engine? And rather than counting, use what you want when you want. A novel is not screenplay, it doesn't have to follow a strict formula.

[Anonymous No.18351782]

>>18351743
its a graphic novel, already written in screenplay format funny enough.

as for what is making the sound, think of it like turning on windows 95.

i think i will just take out the shut down tone from number 2. the tone is important so the twist of the character being an android is more shocking all of a sudden without making it terribly obvious through the story that you need to count the times its used. it wouldn't make the biggest difference, but I like subtle details.