/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18335775]

Is Guenon /lit/'s spiritual and intellectual patriarch? Also pbuh

[Anonymous No.18335781]

>>18335775
Yes. Haters are mad because he refuted all of their favourite philosophers.

[Anonymous No.18335786]

>>18335775
No. If there ever is we're stuck

[Anonymous No.18335789]

>>18335781
Retroactively refuted them you mean brother

[Anonymous No.18335990]

>>18335781
give some examples

[Anonymous No.18336297]

>>18335990
All of them

[Anonymous No.18336307]

>>18335990
>The same trend is noticeable in the scientific realm: research here is for its own sake far more than for the partial and fragmentary results it achieves; here we see an ever more rapid succession of unfounded theories and hypotheses, no sooner set up than crumbling to give way to others that will have an even shorter life— a veritable chaos amid which one would search in vain for anything definitive, unless it be a monstrous accumulation of facts and details incapable of proving or signifying anything. We refer here of course to speculative science, insofar as this still exists; in applied science there are on the contrary undeniable results, and this is easily understandable since these results bear directly on the domain of matter, the only domain in which modern man can boast any real superiority. It is therefore to be expected that discoveries, or rather mechanical and industrial inventions, will go on developing and multiplying more and more rapidly until the end of the present age; and who knows if, given the dangers of destruction they bear in themselves, they will not be one of the chief agents in the ultimate catastrophe, if things reach a point at which this cannot be averted?

>Be that as it may, one has the general impression that, in the present state of things, there is no longer any stability; but while there are some who sense the danger and try to react to it, most of our contemporaries are quite at ease amid this confusion, in which they see a kind of exteriorized image of their own mentality. Indeed there is an exact correspondence between a world where everything seems to be in a state of mere ‘becoming’, leaving no place for the changeless and the permanent, and the state of mind of men who find all reality in this ‘becoming’, thus implicitly denying true knowledge as well as the object of that knowledge, namely transcendent and universal principles. One can go even further and say that it amounts to the negation of all real knowledge whatsoever, even of a relative order, since, as we have shown above, the relative is unintelligible and impossible without the absolute, the contingent without the necessary, change without the unchanging, and multiplicity without unity; ‘relativism’ is self-contradictory, for, in seeking to reduce everything to change, one logically arrives at a denial of the very existence of change; this was fundamentally the meaning of the famous arguments of Zeno of Elea

[Anonymous No.18336315]

>>18336307
>However, we have no wish to exaggerate and must add that theories such as these are not exclusively encountered in modern times; examples are to be found in Greek philosophy also, the ‘universal flux’ of Heraclitus being the best known; indeed, it was this that led the school of Elea to combat his conceptions, as well as those of the atomists, by a sort of reductio ad absurdum. Even in India, something comparable can be found, though, of course, considered from a different point of view from that of philosophy, for Buddhism also developed a similar character, one of its essential theses being the ‘dissolubility of all things ’. These theories, however, were then no more than exceptions, and such revolts against the traditional outlook, which may well have occurred from time to time throughout the whole of the Kali-Yuga, were, when all is said and done, without wider influence; what is new is the general acceptance of such conceptions that we see in the West today.

>It should be noted too that under the influence of the very recent idea of ‘progress’, ‘philosophies of becoming’ have, in modern times, taken on a special form that theories of the same type never had among the ancients: this form, although it may have multiple varieties, can be covered in general by the name ‘evolutionism’. We need not repeat here what we have already said elsewhere on this subject; we will merely recall the point that any conception allowing for nothing other than ‘becoming’ is thereby necessarily a ‘naturalistic’ conception, and, as such, implies a formal denial of whatever lies beyond nature, in other words the realm of metaphysics— which is the realm of immutable and eternal principles. We may point out also, in speaking of these anti-metaphysical theories, that the Bergonian idea of ‘pure duration’ corresponds exactly with that dispersion in instantaneity to which we alluded above; a pretended intuition modeled on the ceaseless flux of the things of the senses, far from being able to serve as an instrument for obtaining true knowledge, represents in reality the dissolution of all possible knowledge.

[Anonymous No.18336327]

>>18335990
Kant (and by extension all German idealists), Descartes, Hume, the Buddhists

[Anonymous No.18336338]

>>18336315
>>18336307
In that very same book he argues that we should return to astrology, alchemy, and tribal nigger magic instead of focusing on modern science. He’s an idiot, and that’s why /lit/ likes him.

[Anonymous No.18336401]

>>18336338
>magic
You are the idiot. Guenon always said that magic is the most inferior of the sacred sciences.
Chemistry is a degeneration(materialization) of Alchemy, and astronomy is a degeneration(materilaization) of astrology.

[Anonymous No.18336408]

>>18336401

[Anonymous No.18336415]

>>18336401
The irony of your post and picture is astounding.
You are the emasculated basedboy trying to reclaim his sense of self by turning to ridiculous esoteric bullshit that allows you to feel superior to others with your "hidden" knowledge.

>unironically arguing for astrology
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.18336428]

>>18336338
He doesn’t say science needs to be abandoned but he argues against scientism and says that science should ideally be seen as not having more importance than it really has

[Anonymous No.18336450]

>>18336428
This. It's like almost no one has actually read him. These threads need to stop.

[Anonymous No.18336464]

>>18336450
>It's like almost no one has actually read him. These threads need to stop.
The more Guenon (pbuh) threads that are posted on /lit/, the more people end up reading him

[Anonymous No.18336474]

>>18336464
Well yeah, all the Evola and Guenon threads are just traditionalist astroturfing.

[Anonymous No.18336480]

>>18336415
>ridiculous esoteric bullshit that allows you to feel superior to others with your "hidden" knowledge.
No, is people like you who think that they are superior to the traditional peoples of the past, who think that humanity used to live in a dark age for thousands of years, until the modern discoveries appeared. Now let's see where your beloved modern civilization will bring us.

[Anonymous No.18336483]

>>18335775
Why yes Guenon is my spiritual father and teacher how could you tell?

[Anonymous No.18336502]

>>18336480
Yeah, just because I'm against retardism doesn't make me some whig history idiot.

[Anonymous No.18336507]

>>18336307
>>18336315
He doesn't refer to a single piece of scientific research or say why he thinks modern science produces "an ever more rapid succession of unfounded theories and hypotheses," he only states his opinions on what he thinks the consequences are of his assertion that he doesn't back up. There's nothing to rebut here because he hasn't said anything substantial.

[Anonymous No.18336615]

>>18336507
he is explaining the issues with process philosophy in that quote, not scientism

[Anonymous No.18336627]

>>18336507
>He doesn't refer to a single piece of scientific research

[Anonymous No.18336692]

>did he even read Dawkins???

[Anonymous No.18336713]

>debate me bro!

[Anonymous No.18336748]

>>18336615
He is literally talking about science in that quote:

>The same trend is noticeable in the scientific realm: research here is for its own sake far more than for the partial and fragmentary results it achieves ...

Then he goes on to say it produces "unfounded theories and hypotheses" without backing that up at all. Which theories and hypotheses and why are they unfounded?

[Anonymous No.18336770]

>why are they unfounded?

[Anonymous No.18336783]

>>18336692
>>18336713
>>18336770
>people who disagree with me look like this
How is it I can tell you are a virgin?

[Anonymous No.18336795]

>How is it I can tell you are a virgin?

[Anonymous No.18336803]

>How is it I can tell you are a virgin?

[Anonymous No.18336838]

>>18336401
Based. Seething trannies cannot comprehend Guenon (pbuh)

[Anonymous No.18336854]

>>18336480
>>It is people like you who are wrong for thinking people lived in a dark age for thousands of years
Yes Alex, I'll take what are the dark ages for over 9000!

[Anonymous No.18336980]

Yes. Pbuh.

[Anonymous No.18336991]

>>18336507

>We refer here of course to speculative science, insofar as this still exists; in applied science there are on the contrary undeniable results

t. scientist retard seething so hard he's unable to read.

[Anonymous No.18337003]

Pbuh

[Anonymous No.18337029]

>>18336428
For Guenon there is profane science(what we call today as science) and sacred science. Since magic is the lowest of sacred sciences, any profane science must be lower than that, in his view.

[Anonymous No.18337188]

>>18337029
I know he talks about profane/sacred sciences in Crisis of Modern World, but which book does he discuss magic being the lowest form?

[Anonymous No.18337247]

Guenon and Evola have inspired me to take up TradCath

[Anonymous No.18337255]

>>18335775
He's an idiot and only two groups of people post him: election tourist zoomers shitposting, and election tourist schizos who take it seriously.

[Anonymous No.18337454]

>>18335775
>Guénon
>patriarch
Well he wasn't the father of his wife's children, so...

[Anonymous No.18337467]

>>18337247
>revealed religion
>traditional
pick one, retard

[Anonymous No.18337522]

>>18337188
>but which book does he discuss magic being the lowest form?
I think he does in more than one book, one being "Perspectives on Initiation". Magic is related to phenomena and the material domain, nothing to do with metaphysics and initiation.

[Anonymous No.18337607]

>>18337522
Interesting, thanks. I just started by Guenon journey

[Anonymous No.18337638]

I will open a bar inspired by Guenon. It shall be named: based pub.

[Anonymous No.18337724]

>>18337638
make it a hookah bar

[Anonymous No.18338658]

>>18335775
Hell no on the spiritual patriarch.

[Anonymous No.18338670]

>>18336338
>In that very same book he argues that we should return to astrology, alchemy, and tribal nigger magic instead of focusing on modern science.
holy based...

[Anonymous No.18339607]

YES!

[Anonymous No.18339991]

>>18336338
the virgin profane science fan vs the chad sacred science enjoyer

[Anonymous No.18340176]

>>18336338
>he argues that we should return to astrology, alchemy, and tribal nigger magic instead of focusing on modern science
based, return to sacred comfiness

[Anonymous No.18340195]

>>18340176
this is like the night school

[Anonymous No.18340238]

>>18336338
>He’s an idiot, and that’s why /lit/ likes him.
There is a significant population of /lit/ that loves esoteric mysticism. I will admit I like and am drawn to that too, but you have to be able to back out and acknowledge its not correct over actual science. Alchemists havent produced medicine.

[Anonymous No.18340252]

>>18340238
>I will admit I like and am drawn to that too, but you have to be able to back out and acknowledge its not correct over actual science.

[Anonymous No.18340298]

>>18335775
Let's take the example of Guénon's erstwhile position that Buddhism is reducible to nothing more than a heresy of Hinduism.
He was, essentially, the only one to hold such a position - and we now have to deal with Guénonfag spamming Shankara threads on the premise of "Buddhism wrong Shankara right" because of it.
Guénon is obviously valuable when it comes to some of the core principles of Traditionalism, but let's frame it this way - Coomaraswamy, Schuon, Evola, Pallis - fuck, even Alan Watts - disagreed with Guénon on his stance against Buddhism. Ironically, Guénon never contended that Christ was a heretic of Judaism by the same merit that he claimed Gautama was a heretic of Hinduism. What gives?
The Traditionalists proper (particularly to the exclusion of Evola) argue for the necessity of an exoteric path, whilst acknowledging the limitations and contingencies of each exoteric path.
All of the contention surrounding differences between Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta can be boiled down to those contingent elements of exoteric paths. Contingencies which melt away in the light of the universal, exoteric Truth.
The more I mull this over, the more I think Guénonfag might be controlled opposition, a concern troll to misdirect and disorient those of us here who are earnestly seeking the Truth.

[Anonymous No.18340309]

>>18340298
universal, *esoteric Truth
my bad. I'm kind of wankered right now lol

[Anonymous No.18340401]

>>18340298
Guenon retracted his stance on Buddhism as Hindu heresy

[Anonymous No.18340426]

>>18340401
I know, within the last two years of his life, and at the behest of the multitude of people I referenced. Alas, given how little time he lived after the fact, he had no time to retract his prior statements, and we now have to live alongside Guénonfag and his shit-stirring.

[Anonymous No.18340624]

>>18340298
>Let's take the example of Guénon's erstwhile position that Buddhism is reducible to nothing more than a heresy of Hinduism.
Guénon first believed this to be so, but then later he came around to agreeing with Coomaraswamy that original Buddhism was more or less teaching the same doctrine as Advaita Vedanta, and that it was a spinoff or continuation of the Upanishad teachings through another format. However even after revising his opinion on Buddhism, Guenon wrote in edited editions of first book that the later medieval Buddhist schools which Shankara criticized represented degenerations of Buddhism and that they had lost understanding of the original ostensibly quasi-Advaitic teachings of Buddha, and then Guénon wrote about later Tibetan and Chinese Buddhism becoming traditional again via them being cross-fertilized with Tantric Shaivism and Daoism respectively. The Buddhist schools which Shankara criticized included the Sarvastivada, Sautrantika, Yogachara and Madhyamaka, so that Guenon wrote that in his first book implies he still thought that at least these 4 later Indian schools were wrong on some level, just because Guénon said original Buddhism was traditional doesn't mean that he thought Nagarjuna, Vasubandhu etc was pointing to the same truth as Advaita.

>Guénon is obviously valuable when it comes to some of the core principles of Traditionalism, but let's frame it this way - Coomaraswamy, Schuon, Evola, Pallis disagreed with Guénon on his stance against Buddhism.
Schuon and Coomaraswamy actually agreed with Guenon later in his life that Buddha was trying to point the way to an Upanishadic Supreme Self via extreme apophatic negation, all three men believed that the later Buddhist schools who viewed Buddha as completely denying the Atman whatsoever (this is most Buddhist schools) misunderstood Buddha's teachings and that the secret meaning of his doctrine was the Supreme Self or Paramatman.

>differences between Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta can be boiled down to those contingent elements of exoteric paths.
That's ignoring the nuances of the situation, some schools of Buddhism are completely opposed to Advaita on numerous points of ontology, epistemology, logic etc, in these schools when you examine their metaphysics in detail you have to do massive cope and mental gymnastics to think that it's pointing to the same eternal truth as Advaita, Daoism, Sufism etc. There are a number of Buddhists schools and thinkers which can be reconciled with Advaita etc but that's a separate conversation, and in any case they are a minority within Buddhism. And the Buddhist adherents of most of these schools who specialize in them will deny they agree with Advaita. If you just think "muh Coomaraswamy liked Buddhism therefore all Buddhism is good" that's ignoring important points like that Coomaraswamy, Guenon, Schuon etc would have all thought that all the arguments of every Buddhist school against the Atman's existence were all wrong.

[Anonymous No.18340692]

>>18340624
First off, high quality post, thanks for responding to me.
As far as the widespread denial of the Atman within Buddhism, of course it's problematic from the esoteric perspective but hopefully you can understand in exoterism, that these Buddhist schools of thought pushed against the concept of Atman as it is misconstrued as an identification with the contingent ego as such.

At the moment, I'm not directly practicing any specific tradition, yet I'm drawn to Zen for its emphasis on breaking through the wall of constant intellectualising and rationalising.

[Anonymous No.18340848]

>>18340624
I agree. Nagarjuna specially comes off as demonic/asuric.

[Anonymous No.18341271]

>>18340692
>that these Buddhist schools of thought pushed against the concept of Atman as it is misconstrued as an identification with the contingent ego as such.
Multiple Indian Mahayana thinkers and at least one Tibetan thinker attempted to specifically argue against the Upanishadic Atman consisting of eternal unchanging consciousness and not just the 'ego' self, although none of these Buddhist thinkers correctly describe the doctrine of the Advaitic Atman and successfully critique it, I have read their critiques and most of them among other mistakes assume that for the Vedantist Atman the changing contents that are presented to the conscious Atman are the same as the Atman/consciousness Itself and they try to find contradictions in Advaita because of this, even though its a position which Advaita denies.

[Anonymous No.18341287]

>>18341271
In your opinion, do you think I could pursue Zen with this in mind in a manner where the contention is a moot point?

[Anonymous No.18341324]

guenon converted to islam, therefore he was automatically dumb

[Anonymous No.18341332]

>>18336401
>sacred sciences

[Anonymous No.18341339]

>guenon converted to islam, therefore he was automatically dumb

[Anonymous No.18341343]

times guenon was refuted
>refuted when he got kicked out of university for writing an "I love cryptobuddhism" essay as his thesis instead of writing a source criticism and sylvain levy said "That's very nice but you were supposed to write a source criticism, you are just repeating outdated theosophical interpretations of advaita vedanta into the upanishads like an amateur enthusiast, you can still appreciate advaita vedanta and finish your thesis properly, the two aren't mutually exclusive you know" and he replied "I love cryptobuddhism"
>refuted by bataille in footnote
>refuted by evola about kshatriya
>refuted by coomaraswamy about buddhism
>refuted by himself by being a muslim hindu accepted by neither muslims nor hindus because he was really a crypto-buddhist
>refuted by his main representative on this board being a faggot who sees "guenon was refuted" and has to rush to his defence like guenon is his waifu
>refuted by his main follower Frithjof Schuon starting an amerindian-themed sex cult in Bloomington Indiana where he was repeatedly accused of fondling underage girls while he was naked, and making people's moms dance naked in front of them while he jerked off
>refuted by his other follower Hossein Nasr being a CIA informer

[Anonymous No.18341356]

>The shadows grew deep as the sun set over the warm Cairo market, the smell of hookah smoke, spices and camel dung wafting through the palm trees and fires roasting animals over the ponds and fields into the windows of incense-scented humble dwellings furnished with luxurious carpets and plants. Contortionists, soldiers, catamites, madmen, beggars, saints, students, slaves, dancers, assassins and bureaucrats teemed throughout the evening tinged with electric air that hummed with cicadas. Rene Guénon exhaled a cloud of opium smoke and gazed across the room at his ever-expanding collection of Sanskrit literature. His young wife entered into the room through the bead doorway.

>She dropped her robe to reveal intricate henna tattoos covering her lithe nude body. She walked over to the low couch he was laying on and straddled him. Rene gradually emerged out of nididhyāsana back down to the baseline state of constant samadhi that he had been in for the past 8 years. It was time for the non-volitional and divine līlā of the Supreme Being to dance forth in ecstatic bliss. Sakti sought union with her dear Shiva. She masterbated him as he sucked on her perky tits. Guenon lay back and Sakti mounted her Lord. Bliss shined like sunlight from the One illuminating them both. Adam and Even were one in Paradise again, the mutual embodiment of al-Insān al-Kāmil and all his wives. The primordial state revealed itself as having existed all along. Rene become the All. Being and becoming simultaneously disappeared and the perfect bliss entered into itself. God shone forth in eternal plenitude, hypererotic sexual union experienced as tranquil observer. Brass windchimes singing an enchanting harmony in the breeze.

>Rene began to feel energy rising through his chakras, he immediately concentrated his third eye and clenched the subtle nerve running from the tip of the penis to the bottom of the spine. His time spent training in the Parisian suberbs with master Ho Shi-Quan had paid off. He reversed ejaculated into his chakras, Qi energy poured fourth into his body. Rene and his wife both went into a ten minute long trance accompanied by a perpetual dry orgasm. Purusha melded into Prakriti, both giving way to the Tao. Rene entered into a state of fanāʾ; the la petite mort a ritual reenactment of Prajapati's atmayajñá. The evening call to prayer was calmly sounded from by a muezzin from the minaret of a nearby mosque. The stars twinkled over the cold night as cheetahs chased hares over grassy dunes overlooking the nile, men pissing on fires, reading texts by candlelight. Cotton and silk, anise, heavy eyeliner, garlic breath hidden with rose water, tall tales, secret meetings of initiations and schemes.

[Anonymous No.18341390]

It starts out with a Frenchmen in Paris who watches Napolean conduct a rally before setting off to Waterloo. Invigorated by the emperor's assurance of victory, he later bears a son hoping he could follow in his footsteps and become a renowned architect who would fashion skyscrapers that rivaled Gustave's masterpiece, the Eiffel tower. Unfortunately the Grandest of all Architects bestowed upon our hero a disproportionate facial structure which would haunt him most of his life. In a cruel twist of fate, this apish aesthetic would only be matched by our hero's mark of lineage: Guenon (monkey).

The first act has him enrolling into Catholic school where he excelled in mathematics. He would however be bullied by his classmates to no end, driving him to dark places. Everyday he walked up the entrance of the city's hall and gazed upon the words of the building 'Liberté, égalité, fraternité'. Troubled by this adage was he, for how what is brotherhood among his tormentors? What is equality among his disfigurement? What is liberty among the prison of outward appearance?

'No more' he utters.

In the second act, he drops his previous ambitions and begins a new path. A path that would bring meaning into his world and answer the question: Why the long face? He delved into the Occult where he worshipped Satan himself. This though, still had him hungry for more. He went on to Gnosticism and then embarked on a study of Oriental traditions. Ever so close did he come to true nature of his being, he needed a spark. That spark would be in the form Theosophy. Guenon snuck into a grim mansion owned by Blavatsky in order to request the ultimate meaning. To his amazement, Blavatsky herself was summoned directly in front of him. She challenged him in a cosmic debate, to which Guenon agreed. Unable to outwit her, he concedes and tells her that he will leave immediately. However, he cunningly pilfers her sacred scrolls on his way out. Guenon knew what had to be done and modeled his ideas and framework after Blavatsky's stolen texts. This would later be known as Traditionalist School.

In the final act, he was greeted by Sufi spiritual leaders who were impressed by his analysis of Shankarian texts. They urged him to move to Cairo and join their order. However he would have to know for certain if this would be the right decision. He climbed the peak of the Eiffel tower, for elevators are modern inventions, and pleaded with God 'why have thou made me look like this O Creator'. God revealed himself and spoke unto him thus: 'I have made you monke because only you have the power to return to monke'. It was right then that Guenon came to the conclusion that western society will never be saved so long as they have proportional faces. Guenon realized that Cairo may be the only escape from this western hellish nightmare. And it was. For Guenon, Cairo was the promised land he was searching for all those years and for good reason: They looked like him.

[Anonymous No.18341413]

>It is precisely because Amrita has a quality so divine that it is proper to subject oneself to all that it entails and therefore also to its arduous preparation, and to put it on the table before food, so that it may be not found lacking in quality. This, of course, is perfectly in harmony with the doctrines of almost all traditional schools. Thus it is urged that the divine nectar be milked and consumed as a Sacrament by the initiated.

He then says:
>Without dwelling on the matter any longer, we will only note that while mating, a European male can (at best) be expected to produce far less of the nectar than a Negroid male of comparable stature, and that this difference in aptitude will certainly be passed on through the generations.
...
>Other so-called 'uses' of the diluted and 'Westernized' Amrita, we must point out, are among the most simple of 'occultic' devices, of a purely pragmatic nature; there are no spiritual functions involved in its use. It is also the most highly priced Amrita ever sold anywhere in the world; this facilitates not the proper transfer of Amrita as part of the traditional initiation rites, but a degeneration thereof to the point of caricature.

Later, in his correspondence with Evola, he simply states:
>Concerning Amrita and it's preparations, of this perfect medicine a single dewdrop sufficeth, and this may be true. Yet it is humbly and with all deference and worship my opinion that every drop generated (so far as may be possible) should be consumed.

[Anonymous No.18341425]

>>18335775
Not everyone on here is an incel pal

[Anonymous No.18341428]

this nigger is named after a monkey

[Anonymous No.18341435]

>>18341428

[Anonymous No.18341448]

>>18341287
Yes, I think you can, some of the Chinese Chan stuff that the later Zen is derived from like Huangpo gets pretty close to Advaita at certain points. The Chinese and other East-Asian Buddhism stopped engaging with non-Buddhist Indian philosophy unlike the Tibetans so there's nobody in Chinese or Japanese Buddhism who specifically says that the Upanishadic Atman is wrong and they disagree with it, the subjects that the east Asian Buddhism focuses on are sort of removed from the intra-Indian religious debates. You may also want to look into the works of Korean Zen Buddhists like Jinul. There's some stuff in Zen that I appreciate and also stuff that I disagree with, you can follow any or most systems while still having certain reservations about them, if it doesn't seem to be true or otherwise lead to meaningful and valuable experiences/insights then you can move onto something else.

[Anonymous No.18341456]

"1 The Buddhists answered him, “Are we not right in saying that you are an Advaitin and have a demon?” 2 Guénon answered, “I do not have a demon, but I honour Brahman the Atman, and you dishonour me. 3 Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it, and he is the Knower. 4 Verily, verily, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.” 5 The Buddhists said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon! Shankara died, as did the Jivanmuktas, yet you say, ‘If anyone keeps my word, he will never taste death.’ 6 Are you greater than our father Shankara, from whom we borrowed and changed his teaching, who died? And the Jivanmuktas died! Who do you make yourself out to be?” 7 Guénon answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is Brahman who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is your God.’ 8 But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. 9 Your father Shankaracharya, peace be upon him, rejoiced that he would see my retroactive refutation. He saw it and was glad.” 10 So the Buddhists said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Shankara?” 11 Guénon said to them, “Verily, verily, I say to you, before Adi Shankaracharya was, I AM.” 12 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Guénon hid himself and went out of the Ashram."
حوليات البلاغة التقليدية (English: Annals of Traditionalist Argumentation); vol. III, p. 642.

Note: This rhetorical technique, of which René Guénon is famous for—most notably in his historic deployment of it against the process philosophy of Alfred North Whitehead[2]—is an adaptation of a similar technique invented by the presocratic philosopher Parmenides. The λόγος ὀπίσω (lógos opísō), "backwards reason", is commonly defined as an argument issued against another argument, retroactively from the point of reference of that argument.[3]

[Anonymous No.18341462]

>>18341343
hylics seething!

[Anonymous No.18341465]

>hylics seething!

[Anonymous No.18341481]

[Anonymous No.18341489]

>>18337467
Have you even read books on Perennial Philosophy?

[Anonymous No.18341526]

>>18341343
>>refuted by his main follower Frithjof Schuon starting an amerindian-themed sex cult in Bloomington Indiana where he was repeatedly accused of fondling underage girls while he was naked, and making people's moms dance naked in front of them while he jerked off
>>refuted by his other follower Hossein Nasr being a CIA informer
Citation needed

[Anonymous No.18341658]

>>18341481

[Anonymous No.18341706]

>>18341339

[Anonymous No.18341754]

Whats all this monkey business?

[Anonymous No.18341915]

>>18337247
based

[Anonymous No.18341962]

>>18340624
>There are a number of Buddhists schools and thinkers which can be reconciled with Advaita etc but that's a separate conversation, and in any case they are a minority within Buddhism. And the Buddhist adherents of most of these schools who specialize in them will deny they agree with Advaita. If you just think "muh Coomaraswamy liked Buddhism therefore all Buddhism is good" that's ignoring important points like that Coomaraswamy, Guenon, Schuon etc would have all thought that all the arguments of every Buddhist school against the Atman's existence were all wrong.
My problem with these Buddhist schools is that they are basically violating the Buddha's own doctrine given in the Tripitaka. Arguing about metaphysics, ontology, and so forth, is exactly what Buddha said not to do, and he stated that he holds no position on any truth in these domains. The only truth he held as necessary (and as one which is most propitious for Nirvana) is that Samsaric life is unsatisfactory. I'm tempted to cite one of the actual suttas where he states it almost just as literally as I just did.

[Anonymous No.18341971]

>>18341481
>tfw Guenon discovered a new monkey species hitherto unknown to man
based...

[Anonymous No.18342548]

>>18335775
no, Evola is
no one here reads guenon, he's to boring and contrived, Evola onthe other hand, you have "revolt against the modern man" and "ride the tiger" threads every day

[Anonymous No.18342553]

>>18336401
this is the kind of people who don't wanna get the covid vaccine

[Anonymous No.18342567]

>>18341287
dude there's only one way to pursue zen and that is going to a dojo and practice, this mental masturbation will lead you nowhere

[Anonymous No.18342569]

>this is the kind of people who don't wanna get the covid vaccine

[Anonymous No.18342577]

>this is the kind of people who don't wanna get the covid vaccine

[Anonymous No.18342591]

I had COVID back in January, felt like a slightly severe Flu. Got over it in 2 weeks, if you aren't suspicious of the whole thing by now you really are a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.18342601]

>I had COVID back in January, felt like a slightly severe Flu. Got over it in 2 weeks, if you aren't suspicious of the whole thing by now you really are a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.18342602]

>>I had COVID back in January, felt like a slightly severe Flu. Got over it in 2 weeks, if you aren't suspicious of the whole thing by now you really are a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.18342604]

>>18342601
Not a right-winger.

[Anonymous No.18342612]

>>18342569
>>18342577
>>18342591
>>18342601
>>18342602


lol this level of samefaging is hilarious, the guenonfag got triggered hard

[Anonymous No.18342615]

>>18342612
Okay schizo.

[Anonymous No.18342616]

>>18336480
Modern laziness and ignorance are a darkness more absolute than the dark ages. However, modern communications technology facilitates discussion between the increasingly rare interested parties which leads to unprecedented levels of progress across every field imaginable. You may not like it, but this is what peak civilization performance looks like: a staggering amount of progress with nobody attuned to appreciate the effort.

[Anonymous No.18342693]

>lol this level of samefaging is hilarious, the guenonfag got triggered hard

[Anonymous No.18342708]

>>18336991
What does he mean by "speculative science"?

[Anonymous No.18342711]

>>18337638
No alcohol, he was a muslim

[Anonymous No.18342766]

>I had COVID back in January, felt like a slightly severe Flu. Got over it in 2 weeks, if you aren't suspicious of the whole thing by now you really are a brainlet.
>this is the kind of people who don't wanna get the covid vaccine
>lol this level of samefaging is hilarious, the guenonfag got triggered hard

[Anonymous No.18342774]

>>18342766
Le enlightened centrist has entered the chat.

[Anonymous No.18342794]

>>18342766
Nice selfie, tranny.

[Anonymous No.18342806]

>>18335775
nigga look like Luigi lol

[Anonymous No.18342814]

>Le enlightened centrist has entered the chat.
>Nice selfie, tranny.

Now, I won't be doing this any longer, for (You) are the most tiring of all people.
>inb4 you's so[y]jack me

[Anonymous No.18342818]

>>18342814
Lol the tranny is mad. Go seethe and dilate.

[Anonymous No.18342826]

>>Le enlightened centrist has entered the chat.
>>Nice selfie, tranny.
>Now, I won't be doing this any longer, for (You) are the most tiring of all people.
>>inb4 you's so[y]jack me

[Anonymous No.18342827]

>>18342814
Surely children are the most tiring of all people. Learn how to think and write before you post on this board again.

[Anonymous No.18342832]

>>18342818
>projecting your inner tranny

[Anonymous No.18342838]

>>18342826
Lol another tranny has entered the chat.

>>18342832
No u

[Anonymous No.18342846]

>>18342838
>No u

[Anonymous No.18343088]

>>18341356
>the smell of hookah smoke, spices and camel dung wafting through the palm trees
lmao

[Anonymous No.18343649]

>>18342806

[Anonymous No.18343874]

>>18341356
Kek. Source?

[Anonymous No.18343877]

>>18343874
is fake bruh

[Anonymous No.18343891]

>>18343877
I know, but I want to read more like this.

[Anonymous No.18343895]

>>18335775
Summarize Guenon and Evola for me. I will catch all the nuances. Just give me a run down.

[Anonymous No.18343916]

>>18343895
No

[Anonymous No.18344015]

>>18343895
Priest caste gang versus warrior caste gang

[Anonymous No.18344018]

>>18344015
>*Merchant Caste gang had entered the chat

[Anonymous No.18344020]

>>18343895
Evola
>action good, ride the tiger
Guenon
>contemplation good, smoke the kush

[Anonymous No.18344021]

>>18344018
Stop subverting traditional societies mister merchant.

[Anonymous No.18344032]

>>18344021
It’s because of the merchant caste are we able to have this discussion right now

[Anonymous No.18344067]

>>18344032
>implying thats a good thing

[Anonymous No.18344075]

>>18344067
It’s through the merchant caste shall we revitalize the priestly and warrior castes.