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[Anonymous No.18334280]

A book to cope with the meaninglessness of life, the suffering-dissatisfaction inherent to the existence and the ephemerality of the phenomenal world?

To rediscover meaning, beauty, eternity.

[Anonymous No.18334283]

Stoner Williams

[Anonymous No.18334287]

Go outside

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18334323]

There are multiple meanings to life. Grab one. Or two

[Anonymous No.18334468]

>>18334280
Try lifting, getting friends and using drugs

[Anonymous No.18334470]

>>18334287
This, also have sex

[Anonymous No.18334475]

Grab one of mine.... :3

Or one.

[Anonymous No.18334517]

>>18334280
a short history of decay.

[Anonymous No.18334528]

>>18334280
Go to therapy, anon.

[Anonymous No.18334538]

>>18334280
Grow up teenager.
>>18334323
You too, old hag. Nietzsche? Stirner? Good Christ!

[Anonymous No.18334546]

>>18334528
>just let yourself be brainwashed by some jew/woman bro

[Anonymous No.18334558]

>>18334280
Did you purposefully describe how the Buddha described reality OP?

[Anonymous No.18334605]

>>18334280
If you've actually seen the meaninglessness of life, the ache of fleeting appearances, the true sting of the tangible, then it's already too late.
A book can't save you.
You want to love. You seek redemption in love, but can love win when all things are decaying before your eyes?
You want meaning. But you have already seen the liquor that meaning is. Your liver will do away with it in time.
Beauty? What of beauty? What taste of beauty have you known that has not left you in pain, in a daze of heartbreak and longing?
And eternity? What the hell is eternity? 24 hours is long enough, yet you still waste it. Day after day. Still unsatisfied.

You have reached the edge. No book can save you. No love can safe you.

There is nothing left.

[Anonymous No.18334644]

>>18334280
You’re blind to the truth if you look at the world and see no meaning. It’s everywhere, in everything. Your very existence itself is a defiance of the laws that guide our world, and you see no significance in that? No beauty?

[Anonymous No.18334646]

>>18334280
The Myth of Sisyphus

[Anonymous No.18334668]

>>18334644
Fuck...

[Anonymous No.18334672]

>>18334558
yes, except for anatta (I am more convinced by adi shankara's arguments) his analysis of dukkha impacted and convinced me a lot. Michelstaedter also, in the West, came to the same conclusions and delivered a magnificent analysis.

[Jim Profit No.18334674]

>>18334280
the bible

[Anonymous No.18334690]

>>18334605
i think there is a way. a way out in the eternal and unconditioned. but the way is so hard. as Michelstaedter would say:

>And the author continues, not leaving in peace the one to whom he addresses himself, imagining well that men, almost all men, will not fail to oppose him a multitude of arguments which are so many cries betraying their fear, the fear of death which pushes them to live without persuasion (cf. p. 77): "My legs are wobbly, and your path is impassable", and to these he answers: "There are the lame and the able-bodied - but man must strengthen his own hocks to walk - and go forward where there is no road. By the usual ways men walk in a circle that has no beginning and no end; they come and go, they compete, they hurry, busy as ants - perhaps they confuse each other, - but even if they walk, they are still where they were, for all places are the same, in the valley with no end. The man must make his way to reach the life and not to move among the others, to drag the others with him and not to claim the rewards that are not on the way of the men" (p. 73). Carlo Michelstaedter knows well that to the impossible we are all held, and that what he calls the "right to live" (p. 78) is only snatched away from us. 78) can be torn off only at the price of a constant work, infinite in fact: "For just as the hyperbola approaches the asymptote infinitely, so the man who, in living, wants to be in possession of his life, approaches the straight line of justice infinitely; and just as the curve, however small the distance from a point of the hyperbola to the asymptote, must be infinitely prolonged to reach the contact, so the duty of a man towards justice, however modest what he asks as right for himself in his life, remains infinite" (pp. 77-8).

[Anonymous No.18334693]

>>18334668
It is true beauty to be given a gift such as life, and use it to spread love to your fellow man.

Love transcends all realities and dimensions, and is ever lasting. And the fact is can only be given by something who is finite, and mortal, makes it so special.

[Anonymous No.18334697]

>>18334644
I have this feeling sometimes, in front of a Terrence Malick film.

[Anonymous No.18334883]

>>18334644
Just because something exists doesn't give any meaning for its existence, as the cycle will end, the thing will cease to exist as if it never did and time will continue going forward. Nothing would have changed whether the thing existed or not.

Finding beauty in the momentary experience is one thing, but it is foolish to give it meaning beyond that

> defiance of the laws

It is not, for something to exist is as natural for something not to exist. Both are part of the same laws, one cannot be right while the other one is not.

I feel the sentiment and I used to think that way too, but for some, myself included it is actually easier to accept that there is no meaning rather than dwell on it forever in your head and never find it

[Anonymous No.18334893]

>>18334883
>Just because something exists doesn't give any meaning for its existence
it depends on your ontology and your metaphysics. if you are aristotelian for example, the mere existence of a thing presupposes its meaning (its finality). pic related.

[Anonymous No.18334920]

>>18334280
Can you pinpoint the reason you haven’t killed yourself when faced with this realization? If you can’t then keep living unaware of what is truly driving your actions. Otherwise, submit to the thing that is deeper than your surface level ego narrative, even if you can’t truly understand it.

[Anonymous No.18334927]

>>18334920
>Can you pinpoint the reason you haven’t killed yourself when faced with this realization?
I am too cowardly, I guess

[Anonymous No.18334968]

>>18334893
If we drop down a level below, to the human, then it doesn't negate the fact of meaninglessness. The experience of something from our perspective has meaning in the moment, but after the experience ends that experience does not have anymore meaning in the context of Self.

You can stop to smell a flower and enjoy its aesthetic beauty and get joy from it, but when you walk away that becomes meaningless. We are nothing but a collection of experiences all of which end, therefore human existence as a whole, is meaningless.

There are many ways to skin this cat though

[Anonymous No.18334992]

>>18334920
>truly driving your actions

Not OP, but what is truly driving your actions anon?

[Anonymous No.18334993]

>>18334690
So trying to reach an ideal is the best way to go even if you never can make it? That sounds right honestly, but I can’t escape the feeling that this pursuit wouldn’t be as explicit and debilitating in a natural context. I ask because it seems like you might have considered this: Is there any benefit to this pursuit whatsoever to live in a nebulous, unmanageably complex world so divorced from your nature?

[Anonymous No.18335032]

>>18334968
>If we drop down a level below, to the human, then it doesn't negate the fact of meaninglessness
aristotelian metaphysics is not atomistic, and therefore does not necessarily go "below the human". it considers more the wholes than the parts. since individuals humans are primary substances, just like atoms, they do have their own teleology. it is top-down, not bottom-up.

[Anonymous No.18335034]

>>18334992
I can’t understand it whatever it is, but I’d guess that it is something like this: Sensations like pleasure, pain, shame are less real than other “sensations” that you experience in this plane. Some type of experience we have here might justify the rest of it. When I have tripped balls before, I am in a place that I know I have always been and always will be on some level that is infinitely better and more real than what I am explicitly aware of in day to day life. I know, personally, I would have killed myself if I hadn’t been made aware of it. It is like how normies can’t even understand why anybody would ever even think about offing themselves in the first place. There is some part of you that the words going through your head could never conceptualize. I don’t know if that makes any sense, but it is so fucking clear to me at some times.

[Anonymous No.18335225]

>>18335032
>>18334893
I don't think you can equate a things end, finality, or its purpose with meaning for its existance

[Anonymous No.18335246]

>>18335225
Teleology is however that: the finality of a thing, therefore literally its sense. There are two ways to explain the existence of a thing: by its causes or by its finality. For Aristotle, finality is a form of causality, it is the final cause. It is the goal, the meaning of a thing.

[Anonymous No.18335263]

>>18335225
I don't see how? The feeling of meaninglessness comes from the idea that your life is accidental and worthless. If you exist for a reason, for a purpose, if your existence has a sense and a direction, it has a meaning.

[Anonymous No.18335290]

>>18334280
Create a family

[Anonymous No.18335308]

>>18335263
>If you exist for a reason, for a purpose
>If you exist for a reason
>if you exist
>if

I am not the OP and don't really have any angst or existential depression about not having any meaning. But here are my two cents:

A life while it exists may have meaning and a life is a collection of experiences. The experiences while they are happening have meaning in their own existence, just like Aristotles Teleology stipulates, but after they end they don't. The only meaning they had was existing.

I don't think the purpose for existence is transitive. You cant equate meaning from individual experiences that make up you into a whole of you.

Eg. I have a biological purpose to eat, drink and reproduce but it would be depressing and reductionist if you say that's my meaning. Pure materialism.

Is there any other meaning than surviving and fucking?

[Anonymous No.18335357]

>>18335308
>>if
I have provided a book arguing for this metaphysics above.

>A life while it exists may have meaning and a life is a collection of experiences. The experiences while they are happening have meaning in their own existence, just like Aristotles Teleology stipulates, but after they end they don't. The only meaning they had was existing.
In Aristotle's view, it is not the experiences of an individual that are the source of meaning. It is the individual himself, who is a primary substance, who has a purpose, who exists for a reason.

[Anonymous No.18336211]

>>18334280
Simply stop thinking about it retard

[Anonymous No.18336730]

>>18334883
>Finding beauty in the momentary experience is one thing, but it is foolish to give it meaning beyond that
The moment is all there is. There is nothing beyond that. The moment is all there is and ever will be, I agree, and looking beyond that is foolish, but not what I’m claiming to be the way.

[Anonymous No.18336767]

>>18336730
I feel like I’m being a bit vague with this, so let me continue.

The beauty of the moment is what I’ll claim to be the “purpose” of existence. But I don’t like the word purpose here, it conveys a sense of should, or objectivity, when I don’t think that’s the case at all. It’s completely okay and no one will stop you if you let everything else besides the beauty of the moment captivate your attention, but if you feel lost or confused, it’s because of those distractions that have taken your focus away from the present moment. The present moment is where life exists and if you are not focused on your life then it’s grounds for not seeing the beauty in the world.

[Anonymous No.18337226]

bump!

[Anonymous No.18337269]

>>18334538
Perhaps projecting harder will solve your problems

[Anonymous No.18337622]

[Anonymous No.18337952]

>>18337622
Can you really make a rational jump into religion?

[Anonymous No.18337973]

>>18334280
Just stare into Seinfinity and be healed, friend.

[Anonymous No.18338073]

>>18337622
dogshit chart

[Anonymous No.18338145]

>>18334287
I live in Toronto. Going outside makes it worse. Much, much worse.

[Anonymous No.18338216]

>>18334287
This.
>>18334323
Also this.

[Anonymous No.18338224]

>>18334280
Just hold a piece of poo in your hands

[Anonymous No.18338426]

>>18338224
This as well.

[Anonymous No.18338916]

>>18334280
Invent your own meaning faggot, or just stop fucking caring, its easy, I did it, feel great.
But to recommend something, stoicism. good luck.

[Anonymous No.18338997]

>>18338224
the pajeet dilemma

[Anonymous No.18339645]

There is more wisdom in your body than in deepest philosophy. -Neetch

Go out, meditate, exercise. Checkout alan watts on yt.

[Anonymous No.18339685]

>>18334280
start with the pajeets

[Anonymous No.18340338]

bump

[Anonymous No.18340470]

>>18334280
Who cares?

[Anonymous No.18340609]

>>18337622
The fact that people may have taken this to heart as serious advice pains me greatly.

[Anonymous No.18341327]

>>18335290
>life is a painful, meaningless puzzle
>lets solve it by making more of it

Nah