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Why do Leftist Philosophers refuse to understand that Hierarchy is natural and will always happen? You can't seek to destroy what is always naturally occurring.

>> No.18314263

>>18314245
you can't argue with leftists
they have to be killed

>> No.18314267

>>18314245
Why isn't the strongest or the smartest man always at the top of the hierarchy?

>> No.18314268

>>18314245
Because they are weak. Instead of becoming strong they seek to make everyone weak like them.

>> No.18314276

>>18314245
>You can't seek to destroy what is always naturally occurring.
Then what are you afraid of?

>> No.18314296

>>18314276
The means of which they're pursuing an pointless venture.

Socialist states have tried countless times to purge counter-revolutionaries in their pursuit and maintenance of Socialism but in the end they always give way to Capitalism.

Millions of 'Counter-Revolutionary' lives lost and yet they still surrender to the system they fought so hard to resist.

What's the point?

>> No.18314344

They hate hierarchy because they cannot succeed in it so they hide behind obscure language in it's place.
you see this is real time when their only able to fool midwits

>> No.18314354

>>18314267
Discipline. Luck. Corruption.

>> No.18314361

>>18314276
Because they seek to uproot literally all of society including my life and whatever meagre achievements I have in pursuit of something unattainable.

>> No.18314363

>>18314245
Are you implying Foucault wasn't in support of any hierarchy?

>> No.18314368

>>18314245
i hope you arent posting foucault as an example of such people

>> No.18314401

>>18314245
Have you ever tried to actually read Foucault?

>> No.18314414

Because they want to take over structures of power while claiming to be fighting domination, oppression, discrimination etc.

>> No.18314417

>>18314245
Leftists are an embarrassment, but if you're anywhere on the right you should be just as ashamed.

>> No.18314432
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>>18314245
>You can't seek to destroy what is always naturally occurring
>Viruses are natural so you shouldn't even try to get rid of them.

>> No.18314440

>>18314354
Are discipline, luck and corruption natural?

>> No.18314448

>>18314245
Why don’t you shut up and read Proudhon for once before spouting off this low wit pol shit?

>> No.18314458

>>18314432
The pursuit of the former takes lives for nothing, the latter saves lives.

Are you fucking stupid?

>> No.18314472

>>18314458
The state isn’t natural and that is why people are suffering all throughout history.
I know why you’re still so stupid

>> No.18314476

>>18314458
Don't make braindead assumptions like natural = good and I won't make braindead conclusions based on your braindead assumptions. The point being that the justification that hierarchies are good because they are natural and hard to get rid of is a fucking stupid take.

>> No.18314490

>>18314440
Discipline and corruption are just words we use to describe patterns of behaviour, in that sense they can be selected for by evolution and therefore, yes, are natural. I don't think I have to make an argument for luck; luck just is.

>> No.18314497

>>18314472
Dismantling the state and hierarchy isn't a solution, it's a coup.

>>18314476
And attempts at bringing the state down won't do anything but change what the state is in the end.

You two aren't getting the point, Anarchy is impossible and any attempts at bringing any society back to Anarchy is fucking stupid and will just bring the state back in the end.

>> No.18314518

>>18314490
Can discipline be teached just as corruption can be learned?

>> No.18314533
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>>18314497
excuse me have you read any leftists?

>> No.18314538

>>18314497
That’s not a coup. Replacing one state for another is a coup. Trying the more natural path is a sensible solution. Hierarchies ought to be based on merit alone. State and capital have made it a thing one buys or steals

>> No.18314540

>>18314518
>Can restraint be taught just as desire can be learned?

>> No.18314543

>>18314518
Is that a rhetorical question? What do you think?

>> No.18314550

>>18314497
I cant defend the whole spectrum of leftist thinkers, but I would argue that many leftist's believe in breaking down hierarchy in the marginal sense. In example, you can't eliminate hierarchy of the family, hierarchy of skilled professions, hierarchy of the smart and the lame, but you can make marginal improvements dismantling rigid hierarchy to make it more fair for everyone. Creating means for anyone from any background to do great things, ensuring equality of rights, securing basic assurances are all pretty progressive ideas that do not require everyone to be literally equal.
I think the whole "LEFTESTS WANT EQUALITY OF OUTCOME BUT THATS IMPOSSIBLE WHEN PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT" is a super shitty argument in bad faith.

>> No.18314554

>>18314245
Sometimes the smartest people are also the stupidest.

>> No.18314555

>>18314518
>corruption can be learned
Corruption is enabled by economics and the supreme value of accumulative currency

>> No.18314564

>>18314538
But what is the coup is the fact that a state always eventually comes out of anarchy, It is inevitable.

>> No.18314565

>>18314555
Drugs and sex are enabled by the supreme value of accumulative currency?

>> No.18314577

>>18314363
>>18314368
>>18314401
Why not explain what Foucault's thoughts on hierarchy are rather than act like a condescending woman?

>> No.18314579

>>18314472
> suffering
since this is /lit/ and this is a literary reference...
The Rules of Attraction by BEE
> He was probably a townie. She had actually gone to bed with a townie. I'm not a virgin anymore, she thought again. The townie winked at her, didn't bother to introduce himself, and then told her this joke he had heard last night about this elephant who was wandering through the jungle and who stepped on a thorn and it hurt a lot and the elephant was having trouble pulling it out so the elephant asked a rat who was passing by to 'Please pull the thorn out from my foot' and the rat made a request: 'Only if you let me fuck you.' Without hesitation the elephant said okay and the rat quickly pulled the thorn from the elephant's foot and then scrambled up behind the elephant and began fucking. A hunter passed by and shot the elephant, who started to moan in pain. The rat, oblivious to the elephant's wounds, said, 'Suffer baby, suffer,' and kept on fucking. The townie started laughing and it was a joke she wished she would forget, but it has stayed with her ever since. It was beginning to dawn on her then that she didn't know which one she had (technically) lost her virginity to (though odds were good that it was the film student from N.Y.U. and not the townie), even though that seemed to be beside the point for some reason on this post-virginal morning. She was vaguely aware that she was bleeding, but only a little. The guy from N.Y.U. burped in his sleep. There was vomit (whose?) all over Lorna's trashcan. The townie was still laughing, doubled up naked with laughter. Her bra was still on. And she said to no one, though she had wanted to say it to Daniel Miller, 'I always knew it would be like this.'

>> No.18314581

>>18314577
Foucault never argued for or against hierarchy, he just explains how it works.

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>>18314565
You don’t know what corruption is yet.

>>18314564
When the few intimidate and coerce the many into being their slaves, and the degenerate worship their authority. And yet they complain about them too.

>> No.18314587

>>18314245
wagie loves his cagie. keep making your boss the big money

>> No.18314588
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>>18314245
They are againts hierarchy because they can't imagine themselves at the top of one
>Foucault pic
Which work of his have you read?

>> No.18314590

>>18314554

He had a chip on his shoulder. He loved philosophy but hated it at the same time. That's why he constantly sought to subvert it. Luckily for us, he lived the life of a degenerate (just like his master Nietzsche) so his literary production stopped fairly early :)

>> No.18314591

Hidden in all leftist ideology is tyranny and shame.

>> No.18314598

>>18314581
Yeah but that doesn't get people to post, right?

>> No.18314607

>>18314472
btw this sounds like some weird Marxist-Buddhist angle
it's called
> polluting the law (Dharma)
because Marxism is shit and Buddhism is ice cream

>> No.18314609

>>18314472
People suffer for want.

>> No.18314611

>>18314590
N bomb wasn't that much of a degenerate. He studied literature most of the day and went for walks.

>> No.18314612

>>18314550
Although I agree that many leftist thinkers are more nuanced in their views on hierarchy than people think, you must keep in mind that the majority of leftist footsoldiers online (think Twitter, ANTIFA types, ResetEra, etc.) do genuinely desire equality of outcome, and they're who normie rightists engage with on a regular basis.

The vast majority of people, left and right, have never actually tackled writers like Foucault.

>> No.18314613

>>18314588
>150IQ
>anarchists are all whiner babies who want to ruin everything
wow real convincing

>> No.18314618

>>18314586
Communism isn't a viable solution either.

>> No.18314624

>>18314245
they dig their own graves just like christcucks.

>> No.18314627

>>18314624
Amen, brother.

>> No.18314628

>>18314538
>Hierarchies ought to be based on merit alone.

Merit at what? No matter what you set the gauge for, you'll still complain it isn't fair.

>> No.18314631

>>18314612
Ah see I thought this was a thread about leftist philosophers not foot soldiers

>> No.18314632

>>18314448
Shut the fuck up you faggot tranny

>> No.18314635

>>18314550
>ensuring equality of rights, securing basic assurances

Where does this 'ensuring' of rights come from? Who is doing the 'securing' of assurances?

>> No.18314639

>>18314613
That...that's literally what they are.

>> No.18314648

>>18314472
Why are you here?

>> No.18314650

>>18314245
leftists cannot be philosophers
https://odysee.com/@Realfake_Newsource:9/Transhuman-Nonbinary-Interspecies-Vegan-Climate-Inequality-EXPLAINED,-in-less-than-ONE-minute!:4

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>>18314609
People suffer because turds and their bullies keep people in want.

>>18314618
You don’t understand what that even is.

>>18314628
Parents over their children, teachers over their students, experts over novices. A child like yourself might whine that life isn’t fair, but a decent parent will teach you

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>>18314639
Can't wait to see the butters effort post since she stopped posting right after that

>> No.18314658

>>18314635
>da guberment i guess im rong!
I'm not arguing against all hierarchy, I'm arguing against some hierarchy and making the case that most leftist aren't the hippie utopian idiots people make them out to be

>> No.18314660

>>18314631
I'm just explaining why you will come across

>"LEFTESTS WANT EQUALITY OF OUTCOME BUT THATS IMPOSSIBLE WHEN PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT

For the rest of your life.