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How are animals supposed to increase their karma? Is a carnivore animal supposed to go like "nah I'm not eating today" until it accumulates good enough karma to be reborn as a human or whatever? Are herbivore animals inherently superior to carnivores for example, as they don't kill for food? In fact, herbivores seem to be almost perfect as far as morality goes, even better than humans.
I find myself with the metaphysics of this religion but the moral part feels shoehorned, or "Upaya" for simple people who don't know better. Also, these questions might apply to other dharmic religions as well, but I'm not familiar enough.

>> No.18308070

as an animal it will have no control over its karma things will play out as they do and whatever karma is generated in that life along with previous will be calculated in next rebirth

>> No.18308071

>>18308045
>increase their karma
You have a pop culture understanding of what karma is rather than the philosophically rigorous one. Read the Gita.

>> No.18308090

>How are animals supposed to increase their karma?
escape from the non-human rebirth destinies is notoriously difficult, essentially impossible
>Are herbivore animals inherently superior to carnivores for example
no
>In fact, herbivores seem to be almost perfect as far as morality goes
they rape, they kill one another, their entire life is a pursuit of desire (the desire for food and sex)

the bureaucratic beancounting notion of karma is silly, personally

>> No.18308097

>>18308070
what can be played

>>18308071
i understand karma as the momentum of actions. i can't understand how an insect is supposed to change the momentum of it's actions, it will oscillate as a lower life forever.

>> No.18308106

>>18308097
"Lower" animals have a much simpler dharma than humans. They are literally powerless to do anything but to act according to it.

>> No.18308431

>>18308045
>How are animals supposed to increase their karma?
Beings end up as animals and other lower beings by accumulating negative karma in the first place, and that karma is slowly consumed over many births into lower realms, going gradually higher and higher until most negative karma is burnt and you end up back into a human birth.
Being born as a god is exactly the same, you burn your good karma until you end up back on earth.

>> No.18308562

>>18308045
>How are animals supposed to increase their karma?
they don't, the animal realm is a place to get rid of bad karma, accumulated by giving in to your primal instincts
human realm is petty much the only place were you can get new karma, good or bad
the trick is to get the neutral one, that's the one that will not send you anywhere, that's how you glitch the system

>> No.18308577

>>18308045
>How are animals supposed to increase their karma?
Simply, they don't. It's why a human birth is so fucking lucky. The Jataka Tales have stuff about a dog chasing a cat around a Stupa several times and thereby accidentally accumulating the last bits of merit to get a human birth, but the Jataka Tales aren't some kind of academic metaphysical text but are instead a sort of mythological one.

>> No.18308643

>>18308562
i remember reading about this neutral karma in the pali canon but i thought it to be contradictory with elsewhere where positive karma is seen as the goal. how do i get neutral karma? meditation i suppose? isn't good actions a bad thing if they detract you from this neutral karma?

>> No.18308665

>>18308643
Are you referring to the whole "merit vs good karma" thing? "Good karma" is a later terminological import from Hinduism, wherein "good karma" can result in you being reborn as something higher up the chain than human, which a Buddhist doesn't want because Gods and such live in super-human bliss with super-human lifespans and abilities (the highest entities living for stupidly long periods of time and essentially being omnipotent, but when they die oh boy do they suffer). So a Buddhist tries to achieve "merit", which is karma aimed specifically at being reborn as a human monk so you can life a life conducive to enlightenment.

Meditation, read sutras, do good deeds, support monasticism, etc. I suppose you can conceive of it as "Tactically being a bad boy, but for Buddhism" but I don't think it's helpful to think of Karma as a bunch of plusses and minuses on your report card because it actually isn't.

>> No.18308690

>>18308071
Are Buddhist and Hindu concepts of karma identical?

>> No.18308778

nice feet

>> No.18308784

>>18308690
Not exactly but on a surface level they are similar, at least to the point where questions like these are asked.

>> No.18308791

>>18308045
>bro, are we meditating today? i hope you been studying those sutras

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18308847

>Excuse me sir, do you have a moment to talk about our great teacher Siddhartha Buddha and his message of loving kindness :)

>> No.18308920

Animals are basically in a 'hell realm' as far as Buddhist cosmology goes, which isn't permanent but difficult to be reborn out of

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18308934

How do they all get so buff when they just sit for hours and end and eat leaves all day?

>> No.18309066

>>18308665
How does one achieve direct knowledge of rebirth?