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18307953 No.18307953 [Reply] [Original]

It's all subjective bro. You can't tell me what my will to power is.

>> No.18308314

Retard

>> No.18308324

what do you mean "what if"? Of course ressentiment is an expression of the will to power. It is how the slave rebels against the master. The point is that it ultimately leads to nihilism, because it requires the ressentimentalizing subject to devalue this world and posit a higher world beyond this one which rewards them for being meek and so forth.

>> No.18308337

>>18307953
based retard who hasn't read nietzsche

>> No.18308488

>>18308314
Maybe retardation is part of my will to power as well? It got you to reply to this retarded thread, didn't it? That means I exerted influence, or power, over your behavior.

>> No.18308614

Does Nietzsche ever contradict himself, or posit ideas that are self-contradictory?

>> No.18308619

>>18308614
Nope, never happened. Not once.

>> No.18308642

>>18308324
>The point
What point? If it's your will to power it's your will to power, there is no better or worse, good or evil.

>> No.18308662

>>18307953
but nietzsche's point was precisely that ressentment can be considered as an active, power seeking force. Reread Genealogy of Morals.

>> No.18309006

>>18308662
>ressentment can be considered as an active
It's you who should reread it, ressentment is a reactive force, as opposed to active. This sentence has no place in Nietzsche's philosophy

>> No.18309137

>>18309006
Its not opposed to the active, it creates, imposes its own view of the world, creates such mystifying concepts as "subject", "justice", "equality" etc. The first mention of ressentiment in the book literally starts off by accenting its active aspect:
>"The beginning of the slaves’ revolt in morality occurs when ressentiment itself turns creative and gives birth to values"
I know youre probably trolling, this reply is mostly for those who havent read it.

>> No.18309167

>>18308324
/thread

>> No.18309531

>>18308324
What happens if you're Evola and you posit a world beyond this one which rewards you for being a powerful, war-loving aristocrat? Is this the master's ressentiment against the ruling slave? Have things become fully historically inverted?

>> No.18309554

>>18308324
>It is how the slave rebels against the master.
Like how Nietzsche chimped out against Socrates and Mainländer? Hmmmmmmmm

>> No.18309559

>>18309137
Active doesn't mean just creative. Then all action would be active, and their would be no reactive action. Active is the expression of the self, whereas reactive is being shaped by some other self, i.e. receptive to someone elses expression. Ressentiment, in Nietzsche's philosophy, is reaction to someone elses self-expression. That ressentiment then becomes creative does not make it then active, since it is not intrinsic to yourself. This is basic Nietzsche. The whole point of becoming who you are is casting off as much of this reaction possible and overcoming them. This is an effect of the will to power, obviously.

>> No.18309560

>>18308614
He contradicts himself from book to book but seemingly doesn't give a fuck. Pretty based if you ask me

>> No.18309571

>>18308662
Nigger reactive doesnt mean non power seeking, lol

>> No.18309596

>>18308614
Nietzsche never really posits anything as true. He starts in a completely skeptical position and then gives out his theory.
Metaphysics is impossible, but what if the world was like this?
Morality isn't objective, but what if everyone really wanted this?
Truth doesm't exist, but what if this was like this?
Etc. Etc.

>> No.18309597

>>18309531
>What happens if you're Evola and you posit a world beyond this one which rewards you for being a powerful, war-loving aristocrat?
Then you're like Muslims for Nietzsche, a higher type and a member of the warrior class rather than the slave class.

>> No.18309604

>>18309559
You seem to be caught up in the dualism of "either reactive or active". Ressentiment is first of all of course an reactive phenomena. The man of ressentiment is someone who reacts, this "phase" is the raw state of ressentment. But it is capable of becoming active, creative, seeking power. This state of ressentment interests Nietzsche, when seething people start creating ideals, values, concepts. The ressentment in fully reactive and "raw" form is something entirely stupid and Nietzsche links it to the "explosive" substance.
>>18309571
that is my point precisely. Reactive people can become power seeking in their own way.

>> No.18309725

>>18309006
>reactive force
shut up Gilles

>> No.18309774

>>18308642
>What point?
There are active and reactive forces that work differently.

>> No.18310023

What's wrong with positing a world beyond this one?

>> No.18310043

>>18310023
its not wrong, its just a cope for those who cant deal with this world.
>whats wrong with cope?
nothing's wrong with it. It can be bad if these ideas poison otherwise active, healthy, smart individuals who could be better off not believing in copes.

>> No.18310049

>>18309774
So what? What does that matter? Why is active inherently "better" than reactive? Isn't everything reactive, technically speaking, if you consider the human organism as merely a product of its environment?

>> No.18310124

>>18310049
Do you also ask "so what?" when physicists tell you about the laws of motion, mass, force, etc.?

>Why is active inherently "better" than reactive?
Who said anything about one being inherently better?

>> No.18310159

>>18310043
Everything's a cope for nihilism anyway.
>who could be better off not believing in copes.
According to what? Isn't Nietzsche a relativist?

>> No.18310160

>>18310124
>Who said anything about one being inherently better?
Whoever stated it was "the point." There is no point of physics, just as there is clearly no point of Nietzsche's philosophy. It's pure nihilism, no matter how much he wants to wrap it up in silly verbiage.

>> No.18310190

>>18310160
Nietzsche's Genealogy is a historical study of morality. It's like Machiavelli's Prince in this sense. There is a point, clearly.

>> No.18310238

>>18310159
what does nihilism have to do with this?
>According to what?.
according to me

>> No.18310260

>>18309531
the will to power has nothing to do with "domination", but "control", in the same sense that an artist doesn't dominate his tools but fuse with them and the world that will result from that symbiosis.
Evola didn't get Nietzsche; nor he get anything; he was a retard.

>> No.18311321

>>18307953
The jewish priests who created slave morality were much more powerful than any non-resentful, complacent slave. The big problem with being a man of resentment is that you are other focused instead of self focused.

>> No.18311802

>>18310159
Nietzsche was a perspectivist. But it's different from the passive, defensive relativism that mosy people engage in (e.g. "you can't say one ideal is better than another") that's typically an excuse for lazy thinking. He believed you should assert your ideals and be unafraid to call them better.