I regret learning French and I'm quitting

[Anonymous No.18300624]

This language is extremely ugly sounding, half the letters are silent, and all words sound the same. The French are also rude pieces of shit. I can't believe I wasted a month of my life on this monstrosity. English and Latin are truly the only languages one needs.

I'm starting Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata

[Anonymous No.18300633]

>>18300624
>anglo faggot got filtered by a real language and lies about being enthusiastic about latin

cringe

[Anonymous No.18300640]

>quitting after a month of learning a language

[Anonymous No.18300648]

>>18300633
>angry baguette noises
English is more developed than French by miles, sorry not sorry.

[Anonymous No.18300656]

>>18300648
the ignorance of the eternal anglo is always shocking but not suprising
every caveman thinks his grunts are full of wisdom and melody

[Anonymous No.18300689]

>>18300624
Learn German

[Anonymous No.18300773]

>>18300689
German is good but there is truly no need to learn it if you speak English.

[Anonymous No.18300785]

>>18300624
French is the Chinese of Europe, horrible throat cancer

[Anonymous No.18300788]

>>18300624
All languages will slowly become obselete in comparison to English anyway

[Anonymous No.18300831]

>>18300633
they are always like that, fuck the anglos

[Anonymous No.18300872]

>名無しは日本語を話せない
>Aнoн нe гoвopю пo-pyccки
>Anon spricht kein Deutsch

seething anglo

[Anonymous No.18300878]

>>18300872
>нe гoвopю
нe гoвopит, retard

[Anonymous No.18300896]

>アノンは日本語を話せない
>Aнoн нe гoвopит пo-pyccки
>Anon redet kein Deutsch
seething anglo

[Anonymous No.18300912]

>>18300878
Moя кoшкa нacтyпилa нa клaвиaтypy

[Anonymous No.18300940]

>>18300912
нeт, ты пpocтo caм eщe хyёвo eгo знaeшь и тoлькo пытaeшьcя выeбывaтьcя

[Anonymous No.18300962]

>>18300624
just stay away from everything french. bar their women, france is a cesspit and everything french is a piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.18300996]

Being french myself, I feel a bit upset that ppl seems to think french is an ugly language. I mean, have you ever listened to the anime / disney songs in french ? I think they sound especially good. If I had to make a top of languages that sound particularly bad, it would go that way :

-German (not because it's rough, just doesn't sound good)
-Turkish
-British English (British have obnoxious accent I can't stand. American is ok)
-Russian

And I can assert that german doesn't sound good (it's a pain to learn). I really enjoy korean though, I think the language is actually really smooth. But it goes without saying that it depends a lot on who's the speaker.

[Anonymous No.18301070]

>>18300962
french women are quite vile mon ami

[Anonymous No.18301182]

>>18300996
>Being french myself, I feel a bit upset that ppl seems to think french is an ugly language.
Sorry to break the news for you anon, but the only people who think French is beautiful are French. Not even baiting, that's the reality. It's not as ugly sounding as, say, Dutch, but it's still nothing pleasant to the non-French ear. German isn't pretty either, but it's only worse then French in song, not in speech. Russian and other slav languages sound angry due to the all the dental fricatives, but at least they don't have any throat vowels that are the most disgusting sounds. The most beautiful living European language is probably Italian.

[Anonymous No.18301230]

>>18301182
Arabic sounds good though

[Anonymous No.18301335]

>>18300624
Português é o caminho.

[Anonymous No.18301358]

>>18300624
Italian is nice, it sounds very homely and German I know people don't like, but I find really beautiful too, just listen to Bruno Ganz here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BpY6I9ZR3A&t=39s

[Anonymous No.18301393]

>>18300624
>"learning" a language
>dropping it after a month
lol

[Anonymous No.18301409]

>>18301393
>he needs more than one month to learn a language
ngmi

[Anonymous No.18301437]

>>18300624
I'm also learning Latin but thats because I couldn't decide between Italian, French and German and instead of wasting time just decided to learn Latin and then probably Greek in the meantime

[Anonymous No.18302110]

>>18301437
Learn Latin and nothing else, brother.

[Anonymous No.18302421]

>>18300996
All of those sound good. French is just bad. A song is different, it can sound good because it's supposed to, normal people speaking is hideous. I wish some other dialect became prominent. Might be better than the P*risian dribble that came to be so influential.

[Anonymous No.18302434]

>>18300624
>half the letters are silent, and all words sound the same
kek exactly my first impression

[Anonymous No.18302441]

>>18300773
German is better than English.

[Anonymous No.18302445]

>>18302421
>dribble
Take it to /sp/, unless you mean "drivel"

[Anonymous No.18302448]

>>18300624
>choosing languages to learn based on utility
Learn Finnish. It's far more beautiful than Latin or French.

[Anonymous No.18302449]

>>18300788
My hope is that with the politics of English in the EU, French and German continue to survive

[Anonymous No.18302468]

>>18300996
>-British English (British have obnoxious accent I can't stand. American is ok)
I prefer American English for the way they deal with plurals, for me "The team is..." (US) makes a lot more sense than "The team are..." (UK). But what I dislike about American English is the way they pronounce the T as if it were a D, for example, water becomes wudder, later becomes laydder, better becomes bedder. I don't like that, so I prefer UK English in this.

There truly isn't a perfect dialect, and I'm afraid that my English would seem like Frankenstein's monster if it's made out of different dialects.

[Anonymous No.18302477]

>>18300996
>-German (not because it's rough, just doesn't sound good)
German sounds very much like French. They even use the same faggy R.

[Anonymous No.18302486]

>>18300624
>I'm starting Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata
Way to go. Check out Scorpio Martianus YT channel.

[Anonymous No.18302492]

>>18301437
Based af.

[Anonymous No.18302657]

>>18302421
Out of the French varieties still spoken to some extent, which do you find the most pleasant? I agree that the standard Parisian French would sound nicer without the ugly guttural vowels but I assume other regions speak it better, no?
I've always liked the sound of Hungarian, even if I don't understand a word of it.

[Anonymous No.18302666]

>>18302657
France's French is too contaminated with English words (they don't even have a word for parking lot lmao). Québec's French is better and purer.

[Anonymous No.18302777]

>>18300624
>English and Latin are truly the only languages one needs.
Why limit yourself? add in ancient greek and german. They aren't that hard.

You are right about french though. Whatever benefits french literature and philosophy contain are outweighed by the suicidal depression such an ugly language brings to the non native speaker.

>I'm starting Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata
Based.

[Anonymous No.18302804]

French is both graceful and elegant. Allow me to demonstrate:

« Là ou ça sent la merde
ça sent l’être.
L’homme aurait très bien pu ne pas chier,
ne pas ouvrir la poche anale,
mais il a choisi de chier
comme il aurait choisi de vivre
au lieu de consentir à vivre mort.

C’est que pour ne pas faire caca,
il lui aurait fallu consentir
à ne pas être,
mais il n’a pas pu se résoudre à perdre
l’être,
c’est-à-dire à mourir vivant.

Il y a dans l’être
quelque chose de particulièrement tentant pour l’homme
et ce quelque chose est justement
LE CACA. »

[Anonymous No.18303236]

>>18302468
I'm sorry but wader (most Americans don't say wodder), layder and bedder are more true to the spelling of those words than wota, layta, and betta.

[Anonymous No.18303278]

>>18303236
If only we could have the explosive Ts of the British with the endings of the Americans. One can only dream. I wonder if such dialect exists.

[Anonymous No.18303990]

>>18303278
I'm sure they do

[Anonymous No.18303999]

>>18303236
Some brits pronounces them as wo a, lay a, be a

[Anonymous No.18304046]

>>18303278
That exists and it's called the Mid-Atlantic accent, but it was basically astroturfed by upper-class Americans that wanted to sound different from plebes so no one speaks it naturally.

[Anonymous No.18304078]

>>18300633
>real language
Try Russian. Your faggot frog language is laughing stock, any language that has less than 4 cases is barbarian-tier

[Anonymous No.18304150]

>>18302468
I am from Virginia and no one pronounces T’s as D’s.

[Anonymous No.18304165]

>>18304150
How do you pronounce the Ts in better/matter/water?

[Anonymous No.18304183]

>>18304078
Yet many Russian writers of the 19th century were francophiles. Living proof that sophistication exists regardless of language.

[Anonymous No.18304211]

>>18304165
Hm seems I pronounce better as bedder lol
https://voca.ro/199yUA3GyLDi

[Anonymous No.18304582]

>>18300624
You know, I once described the sound of French speech as the gurgling of a pack of hungry seagulls with a throat disease... And I had probably been exposed to French for no more than three hours at that time.
I don't know how stubborn (or thick) you have to be to hear French for more than a minute per day and keep thinking
>hmm yes, this is the kind of language I will benefit from learning
, for a month no less.
Hope you had fun learning how to count things in twenties...

[Anonymous No.18304639]

I will never get over the fact that such an awful sounding language such as French is so important for literature. I feel like I’m learning this shit at gun point just to enjoy several literature classics.

[Anonymous No.18304667]

Americans. Post a vocaroo of you pronouncing Merry, Mary, marry

[Anonymous No.18304680]

>>18304639
My exact thoughts.

[Anonymous No.18304743]

>>18304183
You mean Pushkin? Yeah he spoke exclusively French up to the age of 7 or something which was a common practice among Russian nobility. His nanny taught him Russian. Who else though?

[Anonymous No.18304753]

>>18304639
Just read them in English...

[Anonymous No.18304761]

>>18304046
I've heard about this. That's the one they used in Hitchcock movies (and other Hollywood movies) from like the 50s, right?

[Anonymous No.18304774]

>>18304743
Tostoy put French dialogue in War and Peace and Anna Karenina was obviously influenced by Madame Bovary. French was like the Latin of its day or the English of today.

[Anonymous No.18304863]

>>18304761
Correct, mostly because Hollywood actors were upper-class (the accents were not put on specifically for the movies).

[Anonymous No.18304971]

>>18300624
>starting Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata
Based.
In fact it's way more logical (i'm a native french), latin is basically french and learning latin is easy because llpsi is a thing (that's the best learning material ever, and can let you learn latin in 30-60 hours).
After that, read latin chronogically (you have to collect the books first though, but it's not to hard, i can post the on mega if you want), then learn a bit of italian with the italian llpsi (forgot the name but it's by the same book) so you can read italian athenaze, then read through greek in the same way (greek is optional though).
Once you're fluent in latin, learning french become jokingly easy (in fact, you can even start from old french which is not that hard once you have latin and read the canon in order in the same way as the other until you reach modern days.)
In fact, once you know latin lerning any other language is kind of like learning a variant of the language.
There are tons of reasons to learn french though, out additions to the western canons are quite important and if you're good ennough you'll eventually be able to watch Kaamelott which is one of the best thing ever.

[Anonymous No.18304998]

>>18300624
>getting filtered this bad
LMAO leave this board faggot

[Anonymous No.18305020]

>>18300624
Ah, and if you go for lingua latina get every books and complements in the serie and read them in order, tha way it'll be easier and you'll get more voca and reading practice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oJctKy_r6s
Thet due give excellent advice in this video, he also have a set series of video where he reads the chapter aloud, thay are a wonderful companion to the book and i suggest listening to them after every chapter.
Do the pensa, and if possible the exercitum,It is doing the exercitum that eventually lead me to think in latin i think (sooner than i would have by just reading).
Good luck from france.

[Anonymous No.18305063]

>caring about how a language sounds

this is a literature board you faggot, at least criticize the grammar or something

[Anonymous No.18305091]

>>18305020
this guy's latin sounds like anglo dogshit, he should kill himself

[Anonymous No.18305279]

>>18300996
German is not rough, when it's well spoken it sounds more sofisticated than French.

[Anonymous No.18305298]

>>18300996
I’m inclined to side with you on the grounds that when I hear British English I want to bash someone’s head with a block of cement. If only British dialects existed English would be the ugliest language, bar none.

[Anonymous No.18305320]

>>18305091
>t. seething papist

[Anonymous No.18305424]

>>18300624
I was thinking of learning French so that I could be trilingual but french people annoy me, their language just sounds cool in music

[Anonymous No.18305504]

>>18305091
is you deaf? it sounds italian.

[Anonymous No.18305760]

Honestly I've never found a language to sound particularly nice , but I've started to like some things about Japanese grammar while learning it. Verb conjugations are really intuitive for instance, and they function really well with particles. What I hate about their verbs is the sheer amount of combinations involving 込む、張る、切る、上げる, 取るetc. that just combine with another verb to mean something specific, but it's very hard to remember what each one means. Ex. 張り上げる means to raise your voice and 切り上げる means to bring something to a stop (like a conversation), but unless you really focus on remembering them you will mix them up.

という and って as quotation particles is also pretty ingenious and makes free-flowing expression really smooth since you can just keep chaining stuff indefinitely. It takes time to get the hang of but it's a cool system.

[Anonymous No.18305840]

>>18300896
It's nihongo ga hanasenai not wo you fucken weeb. Don't accuuse other people of being monolinguals when you clearly are one yourself

[Anonymous No.18305870]

>>18301409
It is literally impossible to learn a language in a month. The fact that you think otherwise means that you're a filthy monolingual who doesn't understand what it means to learn a language.

[Anonymous No.18305880]

>>18305840
In this case either particle works.

[Anonymous No.18305894]

>>18305091
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMfnw6oBq9w

desu this one is miles better if you want to listen to real Latin

[Anonymous No.18305915]

>>18305880
The potential form is intransitive. Only ga makes sense. Just accept that you're wrong man.

[Anonymous No.18306413]

>>18305915
https://tatoeba.org/
https://kakolog.jp/
Try searching some random strings with を + potential and が + potential, there are plenty of results for both. You may be right but I can't really find a better way to check, I'll ask my Japanese friend later when I get a chance.

[Anonymous No.18306438]

>>18300648
Anglos can't think properly by essence, why would you trust any judgement you formulate yourself?

[Anonymous No.18306465]

>>18302666
> Satan defending the last bastion of Catholicism in N.A. (no sacrificing goats at an altar to Marie doesn't count you fucking savage)
Weird flex but merci ben, mon gars!

[Anonymous No.18306568]

>>18306413
I used a dictionary:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/dojg/dojgbasic.html#basic%E3%82%89%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B(2)
>1. In potential expressions, if there is an experiencer, that noun phrase is usually marked by は and the object of the action by either が or を
>2. In general, the choice between が and を seems to depend on the degree of volition expressed in the action the experiencer takes. That is, if his volition is high, を is preferable.
Although it seems either is acceptable, not being able to speak something is not volitional, so I guess が makes more sense.

[Anonymous No.18306610]

>>18300624
Putain de merde, le francais est un des langues la plus proche d'anglais, quel un retard

[Anonymous No.18306621]

>>18304753
>translations
miss me with that shit

[Anonymous No.18306841]

>>18305870
Of course it its, but that means immering 10 hours every day.

[Anonymous No.18306845]

>>18306610
ce sale attarddé lol, cassos retourne manger tes hamburgers et fait pas yech.

[Anonymous No.18306854]

>>18300996
I really like the different accents of English personally, both the Brits and Aussies. As for French I think it can be a beautiful sounding language, but almost exclusively when a woman is speaking it. The best is a French woman speaking English though, that shit is smooth.
t. American

[Anonymous No.18306858]

>>18305760
Hey, i'm learning japanese, i can read visual novel and understand every line but grammar wise i'm having a lot of difficulties with "conjugations".
when learning english, i ignored tense in the beginning until i eventually got it and i'm doing the same thing with japanese but it's really getting bothersome, any grammar ressources you could recommend to get past that?
(i know of dolly, imabi, and tae kim btw).

[Anonymous No.18306903]

>>18306858
I really didn't need to use much more than tae kim but this should help some
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/dojgmain.html
You can also get a plugin like Rikaichamp/Rikaikun that will let you know some conjugations that are attached to words (but not always, it fucks up some stuff like がち or まぎれ, especially when it combines with something other than the simple verb stem). Also you can find Japanese verb conjugation sites that will just give you every major conjugation for a verb to remove all doubt. Verbs are actually one of the more intuitive parts about Japanese, if you have any specific questions I can try to answer.

[Anonymous No.18307605]

>>18300996
There is exactly one nice-sounding French accent, which is the upper-class Parisian one. And while it is actually very pleasant to hear, everything else, from Normand to Provencal to Quebecois, sounds like a guy with a bean bag in his mouth trying to deal with his smoker's cough.

It's like if you hear the queen speaking rp english and you think it's a beautiful language, but then you go to London and literally everyone besides her and her family are going 'OI GUV SHOINE YER BOOTS THEN BLIMEY TOIME FER ME FISH AND CHIPS INNIT'

[Anonymous No.18307622]

>>18301393
It's called not falling into the sunk cost fallacy.

[Anonymous No.18307629]

>>18306465
>the last bastion of Catholicism in N.A.
There are Catholics in the US and Mexico as well.

[Anonymous No.18307644]

>>18302777
>ancient greek
> not that hard
Ancient Greek is literally one of the hardest languages one can learn. Not only it has few cognates for an English speaker, it also offers exceptionally poor materials to work with. Yes, this is slowly changing due to the wonderful work of Luke Ranieri, but there still is no real analog of LLPSI for Ancient Greek. I'm not saying one shouldn't learn it. I do. But let's be realistic and don't push people into work they're unaware of. On the other hand, Latin, if done right (LLPSI), might be seriously the easiest language to pick up.

[Anonymous No.18307818]

>>18305870
I'm actually bilingual. I learned English in a month when I was 5.

[Anonymous No.18308021]

>>18306841
No it isn't. Unless you think that getting to the level of a tourist counts as fluent. It depends on the language of course, but learning a language takes years. Those books that bait you with "learn a language in 3 months" are selling you a lie.

[Anonymous No.18308027]

>>18300648
>more developed
expand

[Anonymous No.18308129]

Learning mandarin or japanese for reading seems more fun specifically because theyre so different from english

[Anonymous No.18308158]

Beethoven is the closest composer to Bach

[Anonymous No.18308163]

>>18302657
The rest of French is too influenced by P*risian and has been for hundreds of years. The invention of the French nation in modernity and the state's aggressive homogenisation of its subjects was the end unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.18308169]

>>18305063
here's a pity (you) for your failed bait

[Anonymous No.18308222]

>>18304165
>>18304150
>>18302468
>>18304211
It's not a [d]. It's much the same sound (phonetically) as alternate realisations of R or the default R in some English dialects and in many other languages.
>intervocalic flapping is a phonological process found in many varieties of English, especially North American, Ulster, Australian and New Zealand English, whereby the voiceless alveolar stop consonant phoneme /t/ is pronounced as a voiced alveolar flap [ɾ], a sound produced by briefly tapping the alveolar ridge with the tongue, when placed between vowels. In North American English, /d/, the voiced counterpart of /t/, in such positions is also frequently pronounced as a flap, making pairs of words like latter and ladder sound similar or identical. In similar positions, the combination /nt/ may be pronounced as a nasalized flap, making winter sound similar or identical to winner.

>In phonetics and phonology, an intervocalic consonant is a consonant that occurs between two vowels. Intervocalic consonants are often associated with lenition, a phonetic process that causes consonants to weaken and eventually disappear entirely. An example of such a change in English is intervocalic alveolar flapping...
>In North American English the weakening is variable across word boundaries, so that the /t/ of "see you tomorrow" may be pronounced with either tap [ɾ] or [tʰ]. Some languages have intervocalic weakening processes fully active word-internally and in connected discourse: e.g. Spanish /d/ regularly pronounced [ð] in both todo [ˈtoðo] "all" and la duna [laˈðuna] "the dune" (but [ˈduna] if the word is pronounced alone).

Originally in English many voiced/unvoiced pairs of consonants were not distinct phonemes either but would be realised intervocalically as voiced. Th was only one sound in previous English rather than two as it is now. Th in words like breathe and seethe was originally intervocalic because the vowels were pronounced. Now the vowel works as a way to tell us its voiced (as usually th at the end of words is unvoiced).

[Anonymous No.18308973]

How do i get over the feeling that i am obligated to keep studying a language?
I dabbled in Russian on/off for 4 years and i honestly couldn't give a shit about anything Russia-related whatsoever anymore. I don't naturally immerse myself in the language and i have to make a huge conscious effort in order to find something remotely interesting to keep focus. Even if i do find something, my motivation lasts for a week tops.

[Anonymous No.18309078]

>>18305091
>sounds
Literally who cares? You're not going to converse in Latin anyway
>b-but my recited poetry
NGMI

[Anonymous No.18309742]

>>18309078
it matters ok?

[Anonymous No.18311058]

>>18301182
couldnt agree more

[Anonymous No.18311081]

>>18300773
>not wanting to be able to speak the native language of dietrich hollinderbaumer

cringe

[Anonymous No.18311106]

>>18301358
the most beautiful german i have ever heard (spoilers for the tv series dark tho) -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0j9r5qUgEg

[Anonymous No.18311127]

>>18300624
Learn Polish.

[Anonymous No.18311138]

>>18308973
If you give yourself a natural reason to keep learning then it will be easy. Make a Russian friend/girl friend, sign yourself up for a Russian competency exam, live in Russia for a few months, etc..

[Anonymous No.18311872]

>>18305760
I couldn't agree more with you. The more I learn Japanese, the more I realize that this language is great in terms of everything, unlike English or German which I learned from scratch. Everything in Japanese just seems very logical and it really feels like that you can just say anything you want. Vocabulary are massive and every words can be connected although like you said, it's a bit too much.

[Anonymous No.18312072]

>>18311872
Somali is very similar to Japanese

[Anonymous No.18312667]

>>18308021
To the level where you start thinking in the language and can read with a monoloingual dictionary, yes it's possible and on the verge of stoping using dictionaries, of course it's possible.Of course you won't be fluent but you'll understand the majority of what you're reading and be able to deduce most things from context.
It will take more time to get to the 30000 passive vocab of a native and stop seeing unknow grammar though.
Romance language are an excepetion though, you can definitely pick them up in a month if it's not your first.
in the end it's all about the hours you put in, and you can put 300 hours in a month if you're autistic enough.

[Anonymous No.18312980]

>>18304183
The original Anglophiles were all Fr*nch. Cope more.

[Anonymous No.18313095]

>>18300624
Why french? Why not Russian?

[Anonymous No.18313372]

>>18313095
russian is horrendous

[Anonymous No.18313789]

>>18300624
Learn Italian or Spanish, anon. Those languages sound way better