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Any books that will help me understand the mindset behind pic related? I don't get why I shouldn't want things to be easy instead of wanting to suffer.
If you suffer, you learn and make yourself more powerful and harder to break.
>>18296342Thinking that the opposite of ease is suffering is a huge logical misstep.
>>18296378What is the opposite of ease then?
>>18296393Challenge is struggle, to struggle is to suffer
>>18296396You ever notice that when a trip goes wrong or sucks or is difficult you remember it more fondly together? Things that are easy are forgotten and meaningless. Things that are painful, when shared, are memorable and bring joy to life.
>>18296409>you remember it more fondlyThis is highly circumstantial. A lot of my good memories are from events during which I didn't struggle in the slightest and everything was smooth sailing.
>>18296342An easy life is a boring one.
>>18296430This isn't true though. Boring for an outside observer perhaps, but who cares?
>>18296427>>18296421That's because you guys are fags. I want it to rain on me. I want to be cold. I want to not shoot my buck day one or get a fish easily. I want to run out of water and get through it through willpower. You guys clearly never go outside.
>>18296444>You guys clearly never go outsideBut I do. You're not being very convincing.
>>18296409That's why hiking with close friends is absolutely Kino.You struggle together, you get shit on by nature, but you have eachother.It is difficult, but the good kind of difficult.
>>18296450Nah, I doubt you even own a gun.
>>18296495You need to be 18 to post here.
>>18296442The people with those easy lives care, man evolved to struggle, you are the result of billions of years of biological programming to be bored and unhappy without struggle.
>>18296498I had 5 guns before I was 18. You're a fag.
>>18296507kek you sound like a massive tool
>>18296502>The people with those easy lives careAsk anyone who lives in relative comfort if they'd prefer struggle. Historically, I doubt struggling peasants would turn down an easy life because they "evolved to struggle".
>>18296514You sound like a fag. My parents were ranchers and I went to school and worked regardless of if I was sick or not. My mother called my stepdad a pussy for acting like covid was a big deal when they both got it. I am cut from a different cloth than you and will eat people like you when shit hits the fan.
>>18296521I cringed physically while reading this, good job
>>18296526If that's all it takes to make you cringe you probably haven't even gutted a fish in your entire life. You're a housecat.
>>18296539I'm married anon.
>>18296544Sure you are, friendo.
>>18296549I'm married and working while in school for a second degree. I'm from Arizona. I'm a lolbertarian with 8 guns. They breed people like me there. I'm living on the east coast so my wife can go to her graduate school and everyone is a weak, soft, little manlet.
>>18296342This is the only book you need anon
>>18296502We live in an era where fiction provides infinitely more compelling narratives than anything reality can possibly offer. There is nothing worth struggling with in this day and age, and modern struggle is as tasteless and boring as inaction, if not more: just take a look at the millions of motivated go-getters who believe life is a checklist and spout the same "motivational" platitudes day after day while they work towards meaningless goals.The more I go on, the more convinced I become that there is nothing to look forward to in this existence, and that reality should be treated as mere fuel for imagination, as imagination is more beautiful, more compelling, more colorful, more exciting and more engaging than reality can ever hope to be.
>>18296444>sitting on the internet with his dorito fingers
>>18296586I'm living in cuckistan right now with no public land. Back home I could go rabbit hunting whenever. Best you can do in the USSR that is this coast is trap crabs and fish. The nearest national park is 3 hours away and tiny. I hate this place so fucking much.
>>18296342Not a book but the Dark Souls series.
>>18296342>>18296396What about when you dominate a difficult challenge? Is it still "suffering"? Pain is unpleasant, but it is not 100% completely and irredeemably bad. It makes you stronger. Makes you rise to the challenge. Grow.
>>18296663Sure, it's nice to succeed at things. But when I do something like that, it's out of necessity, not for the challenge itself. If there is an easier or more convenient path, I'm taking it ten times out of ten, there's no reason not to.
>>18296342What’s the statue in this image? I want to see the fat fuck belly it’s hiding
you imbecilic CUR. You bitch-hearted WRETCH. You addlepated unredressed belch of flippant banality.I WISH TO FATE that I could suffer even for a second like Nietzsche so that the Will might show Its Power to all the world. I would count myself the luckiest creature to have ever existed if The Will were to deign use me as Its pitiful instrument so that IT might be Glorified. If through my sufferings which THE WILL ITSELF the literal ONE which Was and Is and Will Be took such interest in seeing that I suffered I was able to demonstrate Its ultimate Nature and the Power of Its Magnificence that baulks all human knowing and puts to shame all celestial accounts of grandeur, I would weep with joy that the Will had chosen a wretch such as I to demonstrate it. I am nothing and It is All; and if my rationality fails to properly pronounce this, then let my suffering and sorrow be such a testament!But you. You pitiful little lickspittle meme-ified Untershepherd. You little element of homeostasic philosophy whose highest notion is the seeking for truth. You can't even conceive the sort of dreadful Majesty that THE WILL commands. You can only convert one of the most profound explications of how It Which Is reigns supremely over All into a glib little shitpost in hopes of (you)s. You dust mite glancing off of a herdist's shit!I would consider myself blessed beyond all generations if the Will were to give me even half the misery he heaped upon Nietzsche so that even one mind might look upon it and see the Will's wrath and glory and tremble to know that It is Power. And even if I were to languish to the same extremities as Nietzsche where I dare to inexcusably attempt to justify myself to It who is Power itself, still I would ensure some crevice of my detestable heart be continually pouring out praise and counting itself blessed to be crushed by such a Will. For even the Whim of the Will is superior to man's most noble idea.
>>18296342That one book that Stirner wrote.Suffering as a virtue is stoic cope for neglecting the ego. It's a very effective method of lying to yourself.
>>18296342For the satisfaction of having overcome.
>>18296680>But when I do something like that, it's out of necessity, not for the challenge itself. If there is an easier or more convenient path, I'm taking it ten times out of ten, there's no reason not to.That's because you like the easy life. However, there are also people who do not fear difficulty, as well as people who deliberately seek it out. A lot of people like to go beyond the norm and to pursue ever greater strength. I am sure you can understand that.
>>18296520Says the bugman while he spends every waking moment medicating against and distracting himself from the mediocrity that is their lifeyour reply is like a drug addict defending their dependency, of course things look that way from the inside, that doesn't mean you aren't a pathetic and coping failure
>>18297219You're absolutely seething. Keep spinning that hamster wheel, deluded faggot.
>>1829657699.99999999999% of all people have no control over themselvesthat is the fundamental meaning and worth of 'struggle' and it is a cause that is always worthy regardless of the vacuity of the era one occupies of course nothing could be more repellant a suggestion to the disenfranchised, the 'agent slaves' one calls co-humanity furthermore I would suggest that one living in an age that produces no art exists at the very meeting of the tensions of need and opportunity
>>18297219If you think there's anything worth struggling for and working towards in this day and age, you're the coping bugman
>>18296576thats why countries with those imbetted fictions have higher suicide rates and more mental illness. If humans cant find something to struggle against they manufacture one inside themselves
>>18296342It builds character to go through rough patches
>>18296721It's youthful Hercules
>>18296342Talking about this to most Americans is just like talking with a wall. Literally, their culture is founded on hedonism, the obscene food portions, the drive thru so you dont have to make the "effort" of walking in the McDonalds. Weapons that are treated like toys, and the list goes on and on. >>18296576>reality should be treated as mere fuel for imagination, as imagination is more beautiful, more compelling, more colorful, more exciting and more engaging than reality can ever hope to be.While traditional myth creates a subworld that begins with the essential and spontaneously human and allows its untrammeled expansion; modern imagination does the opposite: creates a subworld that subverts the essentially humane and weakens the spontaneous by depicting transgressive novelties.
>>18296502>1 in 10 medicated for depression in Iceland wtf is going on there?
>>18297493lack of sunlight
>>18296342I see it as taking the scenic route to your destination rather than the quickest route.
>>18297496>happiness>meaningHow about neither, and opting for satisfaction?
>>18296342I bet the guy who said that doesn’t even live by his words.
>>18296564all you have written about yourself may be true but what did anon cringe is that you had to justify yourself in an anonymous weaving basket forum on the internet where literally nobody cares
/fit/ are intentsely emasculated faggots with gender dysphoria and transgender “girlfriends” hyping each other and pretending like they aren’t completely powerless and unable to change the world around them. Yeah bro, congrats, you’re super jacked... and work as an IT job and take orders from a woman that you don’t dare talk back to. It’s pure projection and cope.>t. Someone who exercises but isn’t a 70 IQ dipshit stocking shelves and posting Nietzsche quotes on 4chan
>>18297718Almost certainly not. /fit/, Bronze Age faggot, and all the others are so embarrassing. None of these guys are forming “body building warbands” and raising Amazon warehouses like the steppe nomads and pirates they claim to be. It’s so insanely pathetic. Just more tough guy posturing. I imagine a lot of these guys are going to off themselves in their late 30’s, earlier 40’s once reality begins to set in.
>>18296576Very well put!
>>18296576Lemma: Imagination and fiction is not meant for meaningless escapism, but to conjure dreams and ideals that we turn into a reality through action. No matter how slim the chances are.
>>18297435>While traditional myth creates a subworld that begins with the essential and spontaneously human and allows its untrammeled expansion; modern imagination does the opposite: creates a subworld that subverts the essentially humane and weakens the spontaneous by depicting transgressive novelties.Good point. Not sure if transgressive, I'd say it's more like out of the reach for most, yet very real (for few) at the same time that's the magic souce. American dream. Celebrity worship. Power trip fiction.The herd is indoctrinated with false hope with a bar far too high, and the herd gets disillusioned with the subsequent impossibility once the reserve of ambition burns out. In the past kids didn't dream of becoming knighted. Now everyone wants to be a youtuber. But both are about as likely.
>>18297340I lost my personality after going through rough patches. I don't see how that experience built character for me, asides from being numbed to most things in life. A plus and a minus that cancels out to a zero at the end of the day.
>>18296396oh, forgive me, I didn't realize I was conversing with a retard
>>18296342Metaphysics of war
>>18296430Boring, modernist, bing bing wahoo gamer mindest.
Un ironically Atlas Shrugged. Shit book but kinda fits your needs. Also not literature but Sekiro.
>>18299386t. bugmen whose brain is so pozzed they can't ever hope to understand what they just replied to and are probably 100% convinced they refutedyou will go on like that for the rest of your unremarkable life
>>18297493Winter is long and dark and spent inside generally, people get cabin fever.>t. Used to live there
>>18296342Because you're trying to signal and look tough for your imaginary internet peers.
>>18299439I know what I replied to. The mindset of a modernist cattle mainlining self-help books about masculinity and productivity coated in a thin layer of "trad" aesthetics. It is an entirely, uniquely, liberal obsession with 'grinding' and you are no different from some pajeet obsessed with Elon Musk except your shallow understanding of the past, Tradition, and masculinity has framed your conformity as rebellion. You are so far away from actually understanding what you think you do it is comical. But that is what you get when you read Nietzsche's Wikipedia entry and see a meme with a marble statue in it.
>>18299601>productivitystopped reading thereyou are so sad and dumb
>>18299613Smart move, as you would have no response anyway. Very good optimization of your time, you have been assigned +2 alpha points as calculated by our Struggle-O-Matic meter.
>>18299629You have been assigned +2 pleasure points as calculated by our Utility-O-Matic meter for defending the utilitarian status quo.
>>18299660Lmao, I never made a positive case for anything, much less fucking utilitarianism. You're just playing with yourself now.
>m-m-muh challenge!Get over yourself.
>>18299667Don't beat around the bush, faggot. We all know what you really think.
>>18297435>Talking about this to most Americans is just like talking with a wall.Boomers and their ciphers >>18297903>>18299601sneed Ok troon>>18296521Baste
>>18297582How is satisfaction different from happiness, though?
>>18299672How’s life at home?
>>18296409>when a trip goes wrong or sucks or is difficult you remember it more fondly togetherall i read here was fondling and sucking on the tip. fuck i'm such a filthy coomer
>>18296576>We live in an era where fiction provides infinitely more compelling narratives than anything reality can possibly offerlmao maybe if you're a fucking retarded manchild. go read some history, fucking harry potter or whatever the fuck you read can't even compete