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[Anonymous No.18283012]

>"The philosopher of science Karl Popper (1902–94) argued that the seeds of repressive societies were sown by political philosophers themselves – Plato, Rousseau, Hegel and Marx."
what an absolute retard. dont share his opinion, even if thats true, is it a bad thing?
i heard leo strauss fucked popper in the ass with hardcore owns.

[Anonymous No.18283057]

This shit's retarded because you can just flip it and say
>no u
And it's the same.
>We [Jews/Nazis] cannot tolerate the beliefs of the [Nazis/Jews], because their belief is rooted in the intolerance of our own beliefs. As such, we must make [Nazism/Zionism] against the law so as to protect ourselves from their intolerance.

It's just picking your flavor of tyrant and being intellectually bankrupt enough to claim that those guys are the intolerable intolerants.

[Anonymous No.18283088]

>The Open Society and Its Enemies (Princeton Classics): With a new foreword by George Soros
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Open-Society-Enemies-Princeton-Classics/dp/0691210845/ref=pd_lpo_14_t_2/262-2020358-1346666?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0691210845&pd_rd_r=2975d6d1-5545-413b-bbd2-9978b7e08101&pd_rd_w=Qpd9R&pd_rd_wg=0vDDp&pf_rd_p=3366510f-1771-44b5-99e2-20c1889506ac&pf_rd_r=S3Q9AKE9JCC2AWEHDV4J&psc=1&refRID=S3Q9AKE9JCC2AWEHDV4J

[Anonymous No.18283103]

[Anonymous No.18283128]

Imagine basing your opinion on reviews and meme images

[Anonymous No.18283142]

By Popper's definition, his own field of study is a pseudoscience and not worth taking seriously.

[Anonymous No.18283149]

[Anonymous No.18283154]

>>18283012
>Karl Popper (1902–94)
Bitch ass nigga.

[Anonymous No.18283676]

>>18283012
It's pretty incredible how correct he was. Seethe pol tards

[Anonymous No.18283696]

>>18283012
> All of Popper's grandparents were Jewish

[Anonymous No.18283728]

>>18283696
You think Strauss is any different?

[Anonymous No.18283741]

>>18283728
No, he was wrong too

[Anonymous No.18283777]

>>18283012
>pictoline.com
I knew the Mexican guy who founded this site. He's Eduardo Salles, a guy who dropped out of graphic design at UNAM. He used to post funny stuff (pic rel) in the early 2010s on his website Cinismo ilustrado ("Illustrated Cynicism"). But then he became a wokefag and moved to Texas to create this leftie propaganda company called Pictoline.

[Anonymous No.18283793]

>>18283012
Wasn't pic related the nazi argument for their mistreatment of the jews? Does the cycle ever end?

[Anonymous No.18283820]

>>18283012
I am pretty sure this is a misinterpretation. When I read the poverty of historicism, what I took away was that the only thing that must be rejected is intellectual rejection. That is to say we should tolerate (for example) nazism. What we should not tolerate is any ideology that says we ought to categorically and dogmatically ignore other ideas. Aka, exactly what the goofball in that picture was trying to claim.

[Anonymous No.18283830]

>>18283793
Of course, but it's only bad when white people do it

[Anonymous No.18283834]

>>18283012
No Mr. Pooper,

You either have free thought and free speech, or you have thought crime and speech crime, there is no tolerant society that has to ban dissent and unpleasant ideas.

[Anonymous No.18283842]

*Nazis are sweating*

[Anonymous No.18283845]

>>18283842
>*Nazis are sweating*

[Anonymous No.18283865]

>>18283845

[Anonymous No.18284009]

>>18283088
wtf is bitly

[Anonymous No.18284063]

>>18283012
People wrote all sorts of stupid shit after the holocaust because it spooked them so bad.

People were blaming the holocaust on everything from Darwin to German romantics.

[Anonymous No.18284068]

I think you could also understand it as the "friend/enemy distinction" from Carl Schmitt. This causes people's brains to short circuit but it just seems like common sense

[Anonymous No.18284138]

>>18283012
Imagine actually read Popper instead of post meme and leftoid propaganda

[Anonymous No.18284219]

>>18283012
Isn't this just ripoff of Schmitt?

[Anonymous No.18284223]

>>18283820
The goofball is selling Marcuse under guise of Popper. Not really a goofball if you think about it, but it doesn't make it much better

[Anonymous No.18284230]

>>18283142
like 75% of the philosophers born after 1900 just talk about how philosophy is a waste and no one should bother doing it then do it for the rest of their lives

[Anonymous No.18284239]

>>18284223
Oh, he isn't a goofball, he is a slimey subversive liar? Fuck the goofcunt. Misinterpretation is okay, ive certainly had my share, but not when it is deliberate. That is inappropriate behaviour.

[Anonymous No.18284260]

>>18283057
fpbp

[Anonymous No.18285751]

>>18283088
Nobody tolerates terrorism though and nobody gives them a chance. Not even turkey and other Muslim countries

[Anonymous No.18285756]

>>18283012
>The philosopher of science [had an opinion outside of philosophy of science.]

That's nice.

[Anonymous No.18285876]

>>18283777
Huh

[Anonymous No.18285885]

>>18283012
>even if thats true
Of course it's true, all tyrants need ideologies
He forgot the horde of little christcuck scribblers sucking off Constantine, tho

[Anonymous No.18285941]

>>18283012
Why should a society be tolerant in the first place?

[Anonymous No.18286037]

>>18283012
>is it a bad thing?
Indeed. If it's true, then political philosophy is based and has an actual use to the world.

[Anonymous No.18286070]

The sheer hubris of them. Just don't be an hypocrite and accept that tolerance isn't really possible in the long term in a societal level. At least otger ideologues are honest about it, but I guess neoliberals really want to pat themselves in the back, in awr of how tolerant they are, as if that is virtue

[Anonymous No.18286079]

>>18283057
Except not at all because what Nazis targeted weren't just the beliefs of Jews, it was the Jewish people themselves, who didn't actually target nazis. I'm not going to engage with you because you're a fucking idiot but hopefully someone will read this and not fall for your brand of stupidity

[Anonymous No.18286092]

>>18285885

Extreme hubris of him to pretend philosophers PREDATED political movements. They were products of their time just as much in a more complex interplay than his mind could grapple back then. Someone thinking Rousseau actually had a hand in prescribing revolution rather than describing it is a tool and should get out more

[Anonymous No.18286093]

>>18285876
His company made the OP image, see the corner

[Anonymous No.18286150]

>>18283149
>spelling errors in a poltard pic
color me surprised

[Anonymous No.18286174]

>>18283128

[Anonymous No.18286187]

>>18286150
>color

[Anonymous No.18286332]

>>18286174
based

[Anonymous No.18286373]

>>18286070
>sheer hubris
>an hypocrite
>in the long term in
>in awe
>as if that is virtue
God this board fucking sucks

[Anonymous No.18286381]

>>18285751
That's because there's still a lot of chuds and bigots in our society.

[Anonymous No.18286382]

>>18286150
>you misspelt the plural form of the jewish word for cattle that we call you
oh no

[Anonymous No.18286406]

>>18286373
>an hypocrite
Br*tish "people" actually write like this. I've seen it in academic papers and published books (no, not self-published ones). It disgusts me.

[Anonymous No.18286414]

>>18286150
>not realizing duality is a convenience for ones in charge.
>not realizing that it doesn't matter who you hate, as long as you hate your enemy, you will make the people at the top rich.

[Anonymous No.18286427]

>>18286079

>we want an ethnostate for jews

a-ok!

>we want an ethnostate for whites

OY VEY ANNUDA SHOAH

[Anonymous No.18286579]

>>18286079
>I'm not going to engage with you because you're a fucking idiot
The cope of someone unable to defend their points. You act like the Israel hasn't extrajudicially abducted and killed political adversaries that threatened their Zionist regime. Any extreme ideology will kill the other given the chance once they have power, always has been.

[Anonymous No.18286584]

>>18283149
>Hindenburg handing power over to nazbol Lenin
Now I have seen everything

[Anonymous No.18286598]

It's such a shame that Karl Popper is so ingrained in today's popular consciousness for some reason. If someone talks about tolerance you hear this, if someone talks about Plato the first thing you hear is foundation of totalitarianism, if you talk about epistemology/science, the first thing you here is talk about falsifiability and pseudo-science. Most people haven't even heard of Karl Popper but they still know about his ideas as if they were universal truths. I would guess they are more popular than Kant's ideas nowadays because they are so appealing to pseuds and neoliberal ideology.

[Anonymous No.18286608]

>>18286598
It is, Popper can largely be skipped.

[Anonymous No.18286665]

>>18283012
pic related is literally self refuting
the only way to be tolerant is to be intolerant! no, that does not mean that we are intolerant, it's different when we do it!
Popper was a retard, his philosophy of science was also fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.18286825]

Tolerance is weakness disguised as virtue.
The fact that you contradictorily need intolerance to defend tolerance is proof of this. Tolerance cannot stand on its own, it needs authoritarian measures like censorship and propaganda to prop it up.

[Anonymous No.18286903]

>>18286825
not a commie, im the complete opposite
but yes, i agree

[Anonymous No.18287050]

>>18283012
>Karl Popper
More like Kaka Pooper lmao

[Anonymous No.18287095]

Why should I care about tolerance? I care about freedom.

[Anonymous No.18287180]

>>18287095
Freedom from what? Freedom has to be qualified in opposition to something. If you just say "freedom" that could be referring to anything.

[Anonymous No.18287284]

>>18286079
stop coping
>>18283057
fpbp

[Anonymous No.18287293]

>>18283777
Don't worry one of these days he comes to mexico i'll have a nice chat with him

[Anonymous No.18287547]

>>18284230
They also assure you what they are doing is not philosophy at all, but a new revolutionary field they themselves invented that transcends philosophy. Heidegger, Nietzsche and Wittgenstein are all guilty of this.

[Anonymous No.18287600]

>>18283057
Not really, because some ideologies are explicitly aimed at destroying the right to free speech etc, meaning they are objectively less tolerant than others, so it's totally valid to say 'we should exclude these particular ideologies based on this general condition'. E.g. in both these pictures
>>18283012
>>18283088
you would be correct to disallow these ideologies, and prevent them from participating in the democratic system and so on, as they pose a threat to the system itself. Whether or not an ideology is antidemocratic can be up for debate, but the idea of banning antidemocratic ideology isn't itself contradictory

[Anonymous No.18287692]

>>18287284
>woahhh bro they boycotted German goods!! literally the same as genocide!!

[Anonymous No.18288737]

>>18287600
Who are you to say that this specific ideology is right or wrong, you are asserting your own judgement as infallible and thus negating any way of discussion, by itself you are negating democracy.

[Anonymous No.18288986]

>>18283012
Popper is a retard along with Russell and should be ignored completely

[Anonymous No.18289099]

>>18287600
Then you're sacrificing freedom of speech and freedom of ideas as well retard. Popper is tacitly admitting that tolerance is not a maintainable ideology, in order to make it "work" you have to be something of a hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.18289180]

>>18286598
One of the most malignant cretins the human race has ever produced. he's still downstream from Voegelin though

[Anonymous No.18290137]

>>18288737
based LoGH poster

[Anonymous No.18290280]

>>18287692
Yes.

[Anonymous No.18290310]

>>18283865
Very cool guy

[Anonymous No.18290405]

>>18286825
Yep, its the ideological equivalent of "I can resist anything except tentation." Even a Nazzi could say "I tolerate every opinion that does not criticize my ideology." this is the hypocrisy and incoherence that liberalism is entirely based on. Popper is a pseud and a dumb jew.

[Anonymous No.18290438]

>>18283057
It's incoherent because objective intolerance supposes natural rights, to be intolerant means to transgress these rights. The democratic liberal/republican society people like Popper want does not believe in natural rights of this sort, it is founded on notions of popular sovereignty delegated to representatives as the source of determining rights and justice. This is a state of flux since the popular will changes and it is hard to even ascertain what this will desires in any given situation because it is not united. So theoretically speaking the entire thing doesn't make sense, the definition of an intolerant act is changed if by an act of intolerance the popular will is altered, you can literally bully your way into legitimacy by trampling on rights until you have redefined their meaning. There are no absolute inalienable rights, you can try to set up a constitution but this will be interpreted by new people each generation, by some specific insittution anyway, and such a constitution is undeniably anti-democratic in some sense.

In practice obviously the will of the people, such as it can be said to exist, is often ignored by these states(eg. if you took a popular vote they'd decide otherwise), but that doesn't change that because the legitimacy of the state is founded on this notion of popular will you can remove and add rights however you like as long as you claim it is following this will, and since the concept of popular will is itself extremely vague if not incoherent then you can usually do whatever you want, no matter how tyrannical, if you claim it is 'for the people'.

Obviously the entire thing is pretty much a meme because 'the people' taken as a whole can never be in power. To even try to conceptualize this is to destroy the very meaning of the word power.

[Anonymous No.18290697]

>>18286598
Popper appeals to an idea we mostly understand intuitively about justice, namely

>There are shitheads who, if not stopped, want to shoot people in the face, rape, and steal stuff.
>We can't have those people running around and have a society worth a shit, because we shouldn't have to worry about all that, so we should do SOMETHING about that.
which in practice usually demands imprisoning them, banishment, war, or killing them, because we're not aware of any way we can consistently and conveniently reform and reintegrate shitheads back into society when they've done something wrong.

So saying
>we mustn't tolerate intolerance
Is just a dressed-up polite society real answer to
>Jails, banishment, wars and killing people are all ALSO horrible -- how can you justify them?
Which if you remove the dressing of the answer, is
>The shitheads are worse, we're coming out ahead.

So ultimately it's feels versus feels. How much you you care about the shitheads depends a lot on
>Are you a shithead?
>How bad was the shithead, really?
>How bad is the punishment for a shithead, on average?
>ARE they worse?

And ultimately either you're gonna lean with Popper and say
>Meh, fuck 'em
Or you're going to think he's an asshole throwing a bunch of people you probably like under the bus.

[Anonymous No.18290848]

>>18283057
look up what "paradox" means idiot

[Anonymous No.18291886]

>>18290697
>There are shitheads who, if not stopped, want to shoot people in the face, rape, and steal stuff.
I wonder if there are certain populations which are more prone to this type of behavior compared to others.

[Anonymous No.18292085]

>>18291886
"prone" is doing a lot of work there.

I could make you "prone" to grabbing at your anus if I shoved a lit candlestick up your ass, but that doesn't mean it's a thing you'd normally be "prone" to, now does it?

[Anonymous No.18292095]

intolerance nor intolerance of intolerance can be tolerated

[Anonymous No.18292211]

Open society is a myth because every regime censors opposition.

[Anonymous No.18293790]

>>18283012
In the context of the actual work and the time it was written it's pretty clear that popper was talking about not tolerating communists. Therefore I declare him based.

[Anonymous No.18293847]

>>18283012
someone who is tyrannically tolerant would impose their tolerance on others, thus preventing people like Hitler from being intolerant
popper a shit

[Anonymous No.18293849]

>>18293790
i prefer communism over liberalism
t. "fascist"(?)