/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18279324]

Why did conservatism fail?

[Anonymous No.18279342]

Because it conserves progressivism.

[Anonymous No.18279357]

>>18279324
Conservatism is a distraction from actual right wing ideas that would work

[Anonymous No.18279382]

it didn't, conservatism is still doing exactly what it intended to do quite successfully. are you retarded or something?

[Anonymous No.18279390]

>>18279382
what it intended to do? being a meaningless controlled opposition with no power?

[Anonymous No.18279400]

Amerifats mainly

Because it rejects actual right wing ideas and forms as Monarch/Aristocracy/Fascism. It’s just liberalism-lite.
Read Yockey

[Anonymous No.18279407]

>>18279390
No, they conserve, like that time they voted to decriminalize homosexuality, allow free abortion and divorce or more recently when they supported a "based" tranny as a nominee...

[Anonymous No.18279411]

>>18279407
>republicans
>conservatives

[Anonymous No.18279417]

>>18279324
None of you stupid faggots even know what you mean when you say “Conservative”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_the_Vendée

Conservatism failed because of urbanisation. People no longer live on farms in such great numbers. It was destined to fail due to industrialisation, urbanisation, and city planning that could sustain millions of people. Peasants ditching farm tools to work in factories.

But yeah, I’m sure what you actually mean is the shit for brains American “conservative” movement which is just liberals who suck Israeli cock and like Ayn Rand while making hollow overtures to Evangelical petit-bourgeoisie retards

[Anonymous No.18279422]

>>18279417
This
Big cities always attract collectivists and commies

[Anonymous No.18279430]

>>18279390
thats just one part of it. at its core they exist for the benifit of parties in the government and industry, these are the only policies they stick too year after year, everything else is expendable and they play a game of pr where they continually compromise or abandon values in order to prop up those specific interests

[Anonymous No.18279435]

>>18279411
Unfortunately that's the common idea, and conservatives themselves don't seem too eager to change it.

[Anonymous No.18279436]

Conservatives have accepted revolutionary ideas, such as economic liberalism, freedom of expression, press and religion, democracy, etc... But they don't really like the consequences of such ideas, so they are bound to accept modernity at a slower pace than others.

[Anonymous No.18279438]

>>18279357
This. Conservatives have already accepted yesterday's progressivism and never maintain a principled stance on anything.
To be actually right wing in this day and age means there's little you would actually conserve.

[Anonymous No.18279450]

>>18279422
>commies are the opposite of conservatives
spotted the mutt, your conservatives are liberals and your commies barely exists

[Anonymous No.18279456]

>>18279324
it became a WASP thing

[Anonymous No.18279462]

>>18279450
American liberals are crypto communists who can't stop sucking china off

[Anonymous No.18279463]

>>18279422
Cities in Middle Ages were literal communes lol

>>18279436
Pretty much this. I don’t think it’s even fair to say a “conservative” movement exists anywhere in the west that isn’t an irrelevant freakshow. I feel like it stopped being a thing after 1914 but definitely after 1930. Really fascism became conservatism 2.0.

Americans have never in their existence had a conservative movement. Maybe in the form of Alexander Hamilton but not really. Anglos in general really. Anglos and Dutch have always been the most liberal actors of Europe.

[Anonymous No.18279469]

>>18279417
>no you can't formulate your own perception based on what is happening now and the people who call themselves conservatives and write about conservatism in the present
>you must use the definitions and paradigm of 18th/19th century textbooks

No, fuck off. Things change, people use these terms regardless of their initial definition. That's how language works.

The right in america refer to their leftist opposition as liberals, but the textbooks would say they're both liberals. But obviously they aren't the same, one is different than the - maybe not objectively left and right, but in it's smaller varied degrees it is still left vs right, and the right choose to label themselves conservatives and the left as liberals and progressives.

Regardless of how you see it, this is how the world is entrenching itself and these are the principles that are being acted upon in the world's biggest western nation. That has impact. Fuck your outdated aktually bullshit. You know full well that real leftists would not side with the republicans on any issue.

[Anonymous No.18279471]

>>18279462
You won't go anywhere by calling people who don't believe in class struggle "commies", learn about your ennemies and called them what they are. You are just like people who call anything they don't like "nazi" or "fascist".

[Anonymous No.18279479]

In liberal democracy conservatism always loses, most people are jealous losers so the endgame of democracy is always giant welfare state and communism

[Anonymous No.18279483]

>>18279324
Because "conservatives" are still liberals and liberalism is a failure.

[Anonymous No.18279484]

>>18279471
People who promote class warfare should be beat up like in Singapore

[Anonymous No.18279498]

Friendly reminder that you can't understand modernity without studying the huge influence that secret societies and esoteric movements had.

[Anonymous No.18279504]

>>18279484
I love east Asia so much. The Chinese approach to law and criminology approximates my own much more closely than cucked Anglo style permissiveness.

“Don’t be a seditious retard, don’t cause trouble or disorder”. It’s very mature and forward thinking unlike Euro/American trannies who let negroes knockout game their grandparents to avoid “causing a racial incident”

[Anonymous No.18279509]

>>18279498
No you absolutely and definitely can lol. Free Masonry is just early modern era networking. Secret societies exist(ed) in virtually every agrarian civilisation. Avoid the occult, it will make you retarded - not because it has power but precisely because it doesn’t. It can be safely disregarded.

[Anonymous No.18279518]

>>18279342
Because the nature of progress is to make more informed decisions based on new evidence and better ideas. All human knowledge is advancing, and yet their stances on issues are calcified. It's absurd to think that a political philosophy founded on impeding social and economic progress would be the best to facilitate the maximisation of our collective well-being.

[Anonymous No.18279526]

>>18279324
Because the nature of progress is to make more informed decisions based on new evidence and better ideas. All human knowledge is advancing, and yet their stances on issues are calcified. It's absurd to think that a political philosophy founded on impeding social and economic progress would be the best to facilitate the maximisation of our collective well-being.

[Anonymous No.18279536]

>>18279518
>implying that the dildo conveyor belt of tranny capitalism is socially beneficial progress

[Anonymous No.18279542]

>>18279498
Right on, brother. I just hate when /lit/ isn’t historicist enough.

[Anonymous No.18279544]

>>18279509
I have read more than 100 books on the subject, so I am telling you, you can't understand modernity if you know nothing about secret societies and esoteric movements. A good entry point for you would be the influence of the Carbonari with the unification of Italy. The impact of Kabbalah on Marx is also pretty easy. If you are American, look into Ron Hubbard and the O.T.O.

[Anonymous No.18279547]

>>18279526
What is progress though? We build trains and now we have train collisions that can kill 300 people instantly.

We have gigantic skyscrapers and convenient aerial travel but... well... y’know

[Anonymous No.18279553]

>>18279526
>All human knowledge is advancing
only about useless stuff. The average man is becoming more and more retarded. And you are a perfect exemple of that with you retarded materialism.

[Anonymous No.18279557]

>>18279526
>whig theory
TOP KEK

[Anonymous No.18279559]

>>18279536
I have never heard of whatever that is, but by essentially every metric things improve in societies as they become increasingly liberal.
Of course, this doesn't mean increasingly "left", as communism is antitethical to liberalism.

[Anonymous No.18279562]

>>18279559
What metric? The standards of basic material comfort? But at what cost?

[Anonymous No.18279563]

>>18279526
Progress for the sake of progress doesn't mean anything
People have often commited atrocities with good intentions

[Anonymous No.18279567]

>>18279544
>I’ve wasted my time on this, therefore it’s right!

[Anonymous No.18279568]

>>18279553
Not true, look up the Flynn effect. Psychologists have to keep reseting the mean of IQ tests as it keeps increasing with every generation.

What's an example of a discipline where our knowledge is not advancing?

[Anonymous No.18279572]

>>18279568
>Flynn effect
Why do midwits keep name dropping this guy?

[Anonymous No.18279578]

>>18279563
Well - if you enjoy sanitation, hot water, electricity, living a long life, etc, I would say it means something.

Also the number of committed atrocities and overall violence in the world is decreasing.

[Anonymous No.18279579]

>>18279568
That's a man-made metric made by a degenerate discipline. True intelligence isn't appreciated in our current culture, only consumption is.

[Anonymous No.18279587]

>>18279562
Whatever metric you choose that is quantitatively measurable - Life expectancy, literacy rates, poverty. Pick one you think is desirable and look up the statistics, you'll likely find it's improving.

[Anonymous No.18279593]

>>18279578
We can have all that stuff without being replaced by brown and yellow Amazon drones as a sacrifice to the GDP god. There needs to be a conservative force in check that keeps things in perspective without selling the cow for a bag of magic progress beans.

[Anonymous No.18279596]

>>18279578
>equating technology progress to trannies in sports and education
retard

[Anonymous No.18279600]

>>18279544
Errrr... okay well yes, but that’s a little different. Didn’t think you were going in that direction lol.

Actually I take it back you’re absolutely right in a sense. I thought you were going somewhere different. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.18279601]

>>18279579
How do you define 'true intelligence'?
I think what most people consider intelligence are the variables measured by IQ - sptatial reasoning, pattern recognition, short term memory, verbal reasoning etc.

[Anonymous No.18279602]

>>18279587
What is the measure of a man? And what is a man worth?

[Anonymous No.18279606]

>>18279593
>There needs to be a conservative force
The only point of conservatism is bring the inevitable collapse slightly later

[Anonymous No.18279607]

>>18279579
>That's a man-made metric
As opposed to all those natural metrics floating about KEK

[Anonymous No.18279608]

>>18279596
Fox News has aired 126 segments on trans student-athletes. They could only find nine nationwide. I think this is a non-issue.

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/05/fox-news-aired-126-segments-trans-student-athletes-find-nine-nationwide/

[Anonymous No.18279615]

>>18279600
based humility poster

[Anonymous No.18279646]

>>18279593
I agree there should always be scepticism and hesitation towards radical changes in society, however it should be based on compelling arguments and evidence, not ignorance or unfounded personal greivances.

[Anonymous No.18279652]

>>18279601
True intelligence is a subtlety beyond measure because by definition it escapes examination and is always the force doing the examining. It evolves faster than we are able to comprehend it and it's arrogant futility to try and measure it as it changes.
>>18279606
The collapse is always the result of human fault, accepting it as inevitable is already being guilty of causing it. Real men of intelligence always find a way to survive until the next generation and find a happy balance of improving upon things without ruining their legacy.
>>18279607
Exactly my point. though. Man is flawed in their self assessment.

[Anonymous No.18279666]

>>18279646
So if I have a compelling argument for the further existence of White people, am I allowed to freely express it in this progressive utopia? Of course not, because our education system and mass media are designed to morph us into easily controllable common denominators that don't actual look toward novel, beneficial solutions, but rather to that which only benefits neoliberal corporations that pretend to care for equality while equally ripping everyone off. I have yet to see the evidence for the benefit of modern progressivism and the material comforts simply act as a bribe to keep us in our mediocre state.

There is nothing to actually advance toward, it's just the carrot on the ruling class' stick.

[Anonymous No.18279669]

>>18279608
So we should wait until it’s everywhere to do something about it? It will be too late when that is the case.

[Anonymous No.18279680]

Because time only moves in one direction

[Anonymous No.18279699]

Anyone else admire the Burmese military for the successful coup?

I like people who buck the bureaucratic consensus and take power to dictate their view of the world unto others. I’ve always despised democrats and people who let themselves be defined and cowed by the mob. “Public opinion” and “polling” is fake, unscientific bullshit anyway. This is what reactionaries should have done in America. They should recognised that they will never make being responsible and modest mainstream values in the US ever again due to hegemonic control of media and should have just declared a new government and said “Okay the country is fucked, this is year zero, we’re going to build something new from the ground up” but sadly that would have been bad for business.

[Anonymous No.18279717]

Conservatism builds successful societies, liberalism reaps the benefits and brings them to collapse, it's an endless cycle

[Anonymous No.18279720]

>>18279699
>Anyone else admire the Burmese military for the successful coup?
No? Totalitarianism is cringe, and you’re probably a fedora wearing edgelord

[Anonymous No.18279724]

>>18279717
>Conservatism builds successful societies
Imagine unironically thinking this. You probably think that primordial conservatism is Christian too

[Anonymous No.18279731]

>>18279724
All societies are built on family unit, liberalism wants to destroy it

[Anonymous No.18279741]

>>18279731
>All societies are built on family unit
A good portion of biblical morality isn’t even built on the family unit you fucking muppet. Have you ever read the Old Testament? It’s chuck full of polygamists

[Anonymous No.18279745]

>>18279324
The movement today lacks good leaders

[Anonymous No.18279746]

>>18279720
And you're a Starbucks sipping hippie

[Anonymous No.18279749]

>>18279741
Polygamy doesn't build stable societies, you need constant war to curb surplus male population

[Anonymous No.18279751]

>>18279745
>makes Baldwin Mald without even trying
How was he so based?

[Anonymous No.18279753]

>>18279746
Yeah, one in a functional society where the government can’t literally abduct and disappear me for any reason they see fit.

I thought conservacucks were against the GUBBERMENT? What happened?

[Anonymous No.18279757]

>>18279741
Why do you think marriage existed in almost every successful civilization?

[Anonymous No.18279763]

>>18279753
Now you are just gaslighting

[Anonymous No.18279779]

>>18279741
Polygamy was always taboo in the OT. Lamech, the grandson of Cain, was the first to commit this sin. Abram had one wife and banished his handmaid when he knocked her up instead of taking her as a second bride. Jacob only had multiple brides because he wanted to marry his first wife's younger sister but had to marry the older one first. Solomon was rebuked by God for his blatant polygamy and David brought a plague over his people by marrying one of his captain's wives. I could go on but the point is that God allows for a lot of sin in the OT because He understands that humans are flawed. In the NT, which is specifically Christian, Paul clearly outlines the monogamous family structure of the faith in his epistles. Only mormons and muslims still practice that sinful act to this day and even then it's not as common as you might think.

[Anonymous No.18279817]

>>18279666
There is no group of puppet masters that are dictating reality, we all just conform to it the reality we are in. "Neoliberal corporations" supply needs and wants, this creates wealth for everyone. If theres no need or want, they dissolve. There is no alternative system that doesn't have us all working on farms for 12 hours a day and still starving of malnutrition.

I don't know what you think the argument for the existence of "white people" (however you define that) is, but I am fairly confident it is baseless. For one, there is no evidence of a white people dying out, or experiencing any sort of extermination.

Even still, of course you can express it. You have that freedom. You won't be arrested or anything, assuming you live in America. But everyone else possess the freedom to criticize, fire, or socially ostracize you. That is their freedom.

What you are arguing for is a set of laws where there are in-groups, whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups, whom the law binds but does not protect.

[Anonymous No.18279851]

>>18279817
You say that there are no puppet masters dictating reality, but then move on to say that people who express a certain belief deserve to be ostracized and destroyed by a corporate system which is predicated upon keeping humanity reliant on a ceaselessly expanding urban dystopia that's slowly killing our humanity under the guise of "freedom". You have defined the in-group as the neoliberal puppetmasters as and have given them complete authority to cement their power and narrative control over the masses. Well done, agent Smith.

[Anonymous No.18279863]

>>18279851
Can't reason with these npcs and their doublethink

[Anonymous No.18279873]

>>18279863
>mfw awake but at what cost?

[Anonymous No.18279946]

>>18279526
You're ignoring the other side of that coin, which is that technology and liberalism move so fast that profound changes are made before their long-term consequences can be appreciated and/or adapted to. There needs to be a force of restraint which keeps us grounded in time-tested social formulae until we understand what changing/discarding them really means for our existence.

In my estimation, -only- a philosophy which restrains and subordinates the forces of social/economic/technological 'progress' to higher values can facilitate such a maximization.

[Anonymous No.18279952]

>>18279324
It succeeded. You just misunderstood what it was actually trying to do.

[Anonymous No.18279978]

>>18279324
It allied itself with capitalism

[Anonymous No.18279987]

>>18279504
English law only works for English people

[Anonymous No.18279997]

>>18279646
>personal grievances
don't sell white people your 99c stiff upper lip theory while minorities GET REWARDED to ait their grievances.
Now go back.

[Anonymous No.18280002]

>>18279987
Woah there buddy. You seem to be implying there are some kind of innate differences between people. That's racist, ya know? We conservatives fully condemn racism and white supremacy and believe that all humans are blank slate economic units who can be uprooted and placed in another country with no deleterious effect.

[Anonymous No.18280234]

>>18279851
>>18279863
It's hard to argue against what you said because you don't really have a point to begin with. I'll try and take it piece by piece.

>"You say that there are no puppet masters dictating reality, but then move on to.."

Nothing you said following contradicted the first point, that there are no puppet masters.

>"..deserve to be ostracized and destroyed by a corporate system.."

I didn't say deserve, I just said that's people excercising their freedom.

>"a corporate system which is predicated upon keeping humanity reliant on a ceaselessly expanding urban dystopia"

Humanity is reliant on food and shelter, whether an economic system supplies it or people somehow manage it themselves. Quality of life has never been higher, so I wouldn't call it a dystopia. I also don't think it is ceaselessly expanding. It is necessary to expand until poverty is alleviated and everyone achieves a basic standard of living, then the economy will transition. Read the literature on 'Circular Economy'.

>slowly killing our humanity under the guise of "freedom"

How is humanity slowly being killed exactly?

>"You have defined the in-group as the neoliberal puppetmasters"

No I didn't. In my view there is no "in or out" groups. I guess you could say people who subscribe to the dominant culture are the "in-group", but there's no clear boundaries.

>"and have given them complete authority to cement their power and narrative control over the masse"

Not really. There's many "narratives" which either more or less closely align with the truth. I don't know what the "Neoliberal narrative" is (I'm assuming again you're referring to the dominant culture), but it pretty closely tracks reality. Not all "narratives" are equally valid. You have some peddled by, say, right-wing media, which are completely detached from reality, and you others that are more less the accurate way of seeing our collective history and circumstances. At this point and time, Liberals have a complete monopoly on objective truth.

[Anonymous No.18280317]

>>18279568
Dutton debunked this you fucking reatard

[Anonymous No.18280359]

>>18280317
He didn't debunk it, he reviewed 9 studies that contradicted the flynn effect. It may have slowed down or reversed in 7 countries, it is difficult to say why, but there is still a wealth of literature in support of it.

[Anonymous No.18280383]

>>18279324
conservatism doesn't work without Christianity and modern right wingers threw it away to become secular bugs

[Anonymous No.18280384]

>>18279817
>There is no group of puppet masters that are dictating reality,
read manufacturing consent
>supply needs and wants
wrong, they create them through advertisement
>this creates wealth for everyone
during the on-going pandemic the 1% is richer while the rest is poorer
>There is no alternative system that doesn't have us all working on farms for 12 hours a day and still starving of malnutrition.
There is. Study more political history/philosophy
>I don't know what you think the argument for the existence of "white people"
Whites deserve a homeland that isn't invaded by people widely different from their culture and ethnicity.
>For one, there is no evidence of a white people dying out, or experiencing any sort of extermination.
Ethnic mixing will lead to the death of diverse ethnic groups. The Han chinese did this, more many centuries, in a process comonly know as 'sinicization'.
>You have that freedom
There is no such thing; it's a bourgeois dogma.

[Anonymous No.18280390]

>>18279324
It didn't trigger the libtards enough.
>>18279342
Also this

[Anonymous No.18280407]

Conservatives lost as soon as they embraced democracy, in a society with universal suffrage the overton window always moves only to the left

[Anonymous No.18280475]

>>18280234
Your reddit spacing is atrocious and the only reason you think I don't have a point to begin with is because you're a raging hypocrite that begins at the conclusion that you are correct and works backwards from there. The fact that you can't see the diabolical nature of the neoliberal hegemony means you won't be convinced by facts and have to resort to painstaking pilpul instead of just making an easy, coherent point.
>At this point and time, Liberals have a complete monopoly on objective truth.
Point proven. Globohomo works for you, therefore you exalt it as your ultimate good and literally can't comprehend existence outside of the funko pop utopia that sustains your naturally weak being. Our forebears were much stronger and more fulfilled, with larger families and healthier lifestyles. Modern comforts have only lead to sedentary lifestyles that increase our reliance on the system instead of perfecting the natural man as he is supposed to be. Your perfect world will fall like every other civilization before it and when you only have yourself to rely on, you'll realize just how weak the system made you.

[Anonymous No.18280547]

>>18280475
Pretty much, these people are so deeply indoctrinated, that they don't see their opponents as wrong, they see them as evil.

[Anonymous No.18280565]

>>18280359
>It is difficult to say why
Because it isn't real, lol

[Anonymous No.18280567]

Conservatism, as we have long discussed, is dead. Though perhaps it doesn’t seem that way, because its corpse is seen ambling about with a caring look on its decomposing face.

I do not speak of neoconservativism, which was always colonial progressivism, which spoke the conservative dialect, but only as a mechanism to gather more arms for its side. With the rise of Trump, neoconservatives threw off the mask and have rejoined their comrades.

Let’s instead look at a small slice of applied conservatism. Actually, two such slices, since they reinforce one another.

Trump recently appointed Richard Grenell as acting director of national intelligence. He was up til then the Ambassador for Germany. Grenell is open about his preference for sodomy, and as reported by the NYT, he was the one leading the “global push to decriminalize homosexuality.”

This in itself is neither here nor there, except to show Trump is in the conservative camp, at least partially. The real example is in this tweet about Grenell by Guy Benson, who identifies as a conservative journalist.

The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah was also “historic & significant.”

Benson, like Grenell, favors sodomy, which, as tradition has it, is a most vile sin that cries out to Heaven for justice. Benson is also under the delusion that he is married to a man.

Conservativism therefore isn’t aligned with tradition.

Now the second slice, this time from another self-identifying conservative, who has a piece in the Washington Examiner about a celebrity who is touting his child (the celebrity’s child) as a “transgender”.

[Anonymous No.18280568]

Because conservatism drives the speed limit. Its just slower progressivism

[Anonymous No.18280581]

A transgender is a person everybody knows is pretending to be or is delusional enough to believe he or she is the opposite sex. To say transgender woman of a person instead of just woman is to acknowledge the truth. If people really believed a transgender woman was a woman, they would not use the prefix.

This is effeminacy, a characteristic trait of zombie conservatism. Of course the father should have reacted with hate: hate the sin, hate the loss of sanity in his child, hate the culture that supports the lie. The father should in no way countenance the lie. If the child is truly delusional, then get the child help.

As an aside, we can ask: help from whom? Therapists? Recall the “recovered memory” panic of the late 1990s, a panic that led to jailings, loss of families, heartbreak, all because of idiot therapists who entertained the asinine theory that people can “recover” memories. The memories were always of a terrible nature, of course. And it’s now those same therapists driving tranny madness.

Internally identified? Skip that, and focus instead on Polumbo’s implict acceptance that older people can be “transgender”, or even can be “gay”, as if these were different kinds of creatures. People are similar to normal human beings, but have a different essence or nature, that difference in being “transgender” or “gay” is just like difference between male and female.

Polumbo—and Benson, too—thus has lost the argument. He is a progressive. He does not disagree with any progressive idea, he only quibbles about timing, about when a person’s madness becomes real.

That thing that unites Benson and Polumbo, and conservatives in general, is that they have bought the progressive idea that truth can only be known by appealing to the masses. They don’t see, as reactionaries or neo-reactionaries do, that human nature is fixed and not fluid, that human nature cannot be legislated away.

This crisis, like all crises, is spiritual. Conservatives don’t see that. Reactionaries do. This is why conservativism fails, and will continue to fail. It accepts the same basic premises as progressivism.

[Anonymous No.18280591]

>>18280547
It has to be a jew or some kind of asian bugman, I refuse to believe somebody with a living soul would have such little self awareness.

[Anonymous No.18280602]

>>18279324
You can't operate against an ideology while restricting yourself to its ideological playpen.

[Anonymous No.18280612]

Trying to be measured or ruled against an ideology that will want to win at any cost and literally thinks youre fucking evil is a losing strategy.

[Anonymous No.18280655]

>>18279817
>>18280234
These are reddit posts,unironically,ignore them to preserve your braincels
The guy probably get's his politics from a fucking debate streamer

>How is humanity slowly being killed exactly?
Unironically read Ted K and Jacques Ellul's Technological Society
In this order,Ted K is extremely basic,even when not compared to Ellul.
Continued technological advancement will always lead to a ultra-efficient dystopia,which will ''slowly kill humanity'',or atleast enslave the human population.

>>18280384
This post gets -almost- everything right.

[Anonymous No.18280664]

>>18280602
nice

[Anonymous No.18280705]

>>18280383
Wrong. Conservatism is nothing more than the assertion that good things take time to create but are easily destroyed. Theism while parallel to that thought is not a requirement to conservatism.
>t. not an atheist

[Anonymous No.18280706]

>>18280655
Hey, I'm 384. I'm open for criticism, what did you not agree with?
Also, Jacques Ellul is always a good recommendation for everyone that disagrees with the Neo-liberal bugman present in the thread.

[Anonymous No.18280800]

>>18280706
you're too nice for this place, so I will call you a faggot
faggot

[Anonymous No.18280831]

>>18280800
lol, fuck you limp dicked cunt. Tell me your criticism mf, haha

[Anonymous No.18280954]

>>18280384
>read manufacturing consent
I've read it. It's okay, it's accurate enough about America, but not so much the rest of the world. Who even follows MSM other than boomers at this point?
>wrong, they create them through advertisement
Some, sure. Advertising is nowhere near as powerful as people think it is. There is a bunch of studies showing commercial TV advertising may actually no effect on consumer choices.
https://review.chicagobooth.edu/marketing/2019/article/why-power-tv-advertising-has-been-overstated
>during the on-going pandemic the 1% is richer while the rest is poorer
I'm not saying the system is perfect, I'm in agreemnt with Liberals, we need to tax these people more and distribute wealth more effectively.
>There is. Study more political history/philosophy
Name it
>I don't know what you think the argument for the existence of "white people"
"White people" are not an ethnic group
>Ethnic mixing will lead to the death of diverse ethnic groups
To stop this you would have to restrict peoples freedom. I think totalitarianism is a non-starter. Anyone can date or have kids with whoever they want, it's their choice and no one elses.
>diverse ethnic groups
Diverse cultures matter, diverse ethnic groups don't.
>here is no such thing; it's a bourgeois dogma.
There it is, the dumbest thing I'll read today

[Anonymous No.18280959]

>>18280547
I don't see them as evil, just wrong.

[Anonymous No.18280971]

>>18280475
No one is forcing you to live with modern comforts. Do whatever you want, no one cares. But you can't control other people and the society they choose to build and inhabit.

[Anonymous No.18281038]

>>18280954
>we need to tax these people more
HAHAHA good luck with that
you mean the middle class, as usual, will take the brunt of it while big money banks are sitting in tax heavens, foreign banks, assets liquidated elsewhere, even fucking planned bankruptcies to avoid paying tax

[Anonymous No.18281039]

>>18279987
Self-control only works for people who have self control

[Anonymous No.18281041]

[Anonymous No.18281050]

conservatives in the west have failed to conserve anything over the last 50 years. they compromise and then are told that compromise isn’t enough 20 years later because there is this implicit assumption that history moves leftward and what was once an ok compromise is now not enough by virtue of time alone. In actuality that original compromise allowed things to continue in that direction in the first place which is a self fufilling prophesy. this isn’t helped by the fact that most conservatives in power (especially the GOP) have no actual incentive to fight to maintain traditional conservative principles because they conflated capitalism and the economy with conservativism when the goldwater republicans took over.
America has no traditional conservative party, it has a market liberal party which directly traces its lineage to 19th century liberalism and a more mixed economy party that has a leftist, radical element which it uses as an attack dog and tool to shape culture and discourse to its benefit but doesn’t actually give any power.

[Anonymous No.18281084]

>>18279342

[Anonymous No.18281091]

>>18280954
>>18281038
Doesn't know laffer curve
Most taxes are paid by upper 20%

[Anonymous No.18281098]

>>18281041
Based and Black Pilled
Surprised he's still on twitter

[Anonymous No.18281104]

>>18279469
> You know full well that real leftists would not side with the republicans on any issue.
gun ownership

[Anonymous No.18281130]

>>18280954
>white people are not an ethnic group
pilpuling this early in the morning Rabbi?

[Anonymous No.18281135]

>>18279342
More or less this.

[Anonymous No.18281145]

Case in point for this thread is all these Republicans in Congress talking about the border wall because its safer for migrants to come legally than chaotically. Nothing about the American people.

[Anonymous No.18281148]

I will never understand conservatives who think they've lost or liberals/leftists who think they've won. All the modern conservative needs to do is sit back, relax, and watch global warming/climate change do all the work for them. There can be no globalism if the delicate network of goods which it is built on top of collapses. There can be no social media if the electrical grid is unstable and frequently turned off for fears of fire risk. There can be no transgenderism if medical supply chains collapse and the complex set of hormones, surgery and medical expertise needed for those treatments becomes unavailable. To survive, liberalism will need to solve the greatest crisis in human history, while conservatives can just let it happen. So to me, "blackpilled" conservatives are morons. They should be thrilled, it's the rest of us who are in deep water.

[Anonymous No.18281201]

>>18281148
>be thrilled that if you get geographically lucky and have enough firepower you may be able to LARP as the Amish before you die

[Anonymous No.18281212]

>>18281148
>falling for the climate change scam

[Anonymous No.18281220]

>>18281201
It will be rough for everyone, but afterwards, it'll be a world of Amish-level societies. The conservative dream, no?

>>18281212
>scam
I wish

[Anonymous No.18281230]

>>18281148
Yes eventually leftism and communism will fail because it goes completely against nature, but conservatives should try to fight back next time so they don't collapse again

[Anonymous No.18281247]

>>18281084
Haha, what a cute horny fella

[Anonymous No.18281317]

>>18281148
Based

[Anonymous No.18281344]

>>18279324
Because base determines superstructure. Base is Capitalist, so superstructure is globohomo progressivist bullshit.
Conservatists are denialist cucks who want to keep their cherished Capitalism, but evacutate mass consumption, mass immigration, transgenderism. It's retarded, because one goes along with the other. It's anti-natural to separate Capitalism with it's culture. To live happy, one has either to revel in Capitalism and it's stupidity, or knowing that only Capital abolition will bring true change.

[Anonymous No.18281388]

>>18281344
Capitalism is sustainable as long as you tell the losers demanding equality to fuck off

[Anonymous No.18281432]

>>18281388
Here we go. Typical conservative. Capitalism demands equality. So it can exploits everybody the same, pressure labor prices down. Also, Capitalism like equality, because a King, or a Lord, has power independantly of money. Thus, the Capital has to abolish nobility, which it did, and abolish kingship, because the king is powerful even if he doesn't have Capital. An other solution is to make the king part of the Capitalist elite, that's what happened with the english royal family. These people are only king and queen in name. In reality, they are Capitalist.

[Anonymous No.18281498]

>>18281432
Free market economy works as long as you don't have to pander to stupid majority

[Anonymous No.18281514]

>>18281432
I actually agree with the other guy.
Equality is delusional, people are not equal and by insisting that they are everybody is saddled with the same responsibilities. Why should everyone contribute equally, when some have more than others?
The bottom 50% of earners SHOULDN'T contribute 50% of taxes. Rather, the top 10% of earners should bear 90% of the tax burden.
The strong have an obligation to protect the weak, which in Capitalism translates to the obligation of the rich to subsidize the unproductive lifestyles of the poor.
By promoting equality, you are absolving the strong from any responsibility, leaving the weak to fend for themselves.
Hence I'm firmly opposed to it.

[Anonymous No.18281516]

>>18281498
Capitalism has already chosen. It's favorite political State is the republic. I mean, isn't it obvious? Almost all countries in the world have adopted the republic, and those who
still haven't are shitholes.
Again, it's easy why Capitalism has chosen the republic: the republic is perfect for Capitalists to buy laws. A few millions dollars in members of parliament pockets, and here you go. You have your law. A Fuhrer, autocrat, King, cannot be bought that easily, and that's why Capitalism tend to overthrow those, and replace them by a republic.

[Anonymous No.18281525]

>>18281432
>capitalism demands equality
retard
Free markets existed in the old world, too. You're oversimplifying a complex issue to fit your faggoty worldview.

[Anonymous No.18281535]

>>18281514
>the strong have an obligation to protect the weak
says who? why should it necessarily be this way? are you christian?

[Anonymous No.18281540]

>>18281516
America is barerly a republic anymore, the founding fathers would have been disgusted if they saw what it become

[Anonymous No.18281546]

>>18281514
I don't promote equality. Marx himself wasn't a believer of equality. It's plainly written if you read Critique of the Gotha program, Chapter I.
However, Capitalism promotes equality, Have you ever wondered why Capitalism pay every wage slave factory worker the same? It's not logic, because those wage slaves aren't equal. There necessarily must be some who work harder, faster than other. But Capitalism consider that every factory wage worker, has the same wage. It suits Capitalism very well, because it spare Capitalism to make differences, and pay the better worker more. So for Capitalism, even worker get minimum wage. More profit.

[Anonymous No.18281566]

>>18281535
It's just a natural way of thinking. You can't expect women, children, the crippled, the sick, the old and the infirm to work as hard as able-bodied young men now can we?
Equality likes to pretend that everyone is born with the same mental and physical capacities when this is simply not true. Those that have been blessed by nature should put their talents to use, otherwise they go to waste.
Equality makes demands that only a fraction can meet, leaving everyone else to fend for themselves.
It's only logical that the strong and capable push harder than everyone else, otherwise society falls apart.

[Anonymous No.18281571]

>>18281525
>Free markets existed in the old world, too.
Yes and who demanded the concentration of Capital and power, faggots? The migrants? Women? The socialists (I'm not even a socialist, i'm for money abolition)? No. Those who demanded this fusion in the money creation, as well as in big oil, big pharma, military complex, Monsanto, as nothing else than... the Capitalists. How can you create a free market, if the rich will always want to fuse their interests, in order to be more efficient? Stop living in a fantasy world. I also fantasized in a free city world, with independant rich free cities. The thing is, it doesn't work like that, and Capitalists will concentrate into quasi monopolies, controlling the market, and then also using the State as their tool to control the population.

[Anonymous No.18281596]

>>18281540
>America is barerly a republic anymore, the founding fathers
You means those free-masons? Perhaps they would have been very proud.

[Anonymous No.18281597]

Theres no excuse to being an unironic conservative in current year (unless you're a rich capital/business owner). They're literally retarded sheep.

[Anonymous No.18281620]

>>18281597
Capitalists are the ultimate gatekeepers of the Capitalistic mode of production. When shit hit the fan, and society crumbles, Capitalism use them, as a last joker, in order to bring back order. Then, when order has been brought back, the Capital gets rid of the autocrat. Many examples in history. Napoleon Bonaparte. Napoleon III. Mussolini. Philippe Pétain (the republic voted him full power, then, 5 years later, judged him for treason, lol).

[Anonymous No.18281629]

Edit: Conservatives are the ultimate gatekeepers

[Anonymous No.18281634]

>>18281597
> literally sheep
Fucking kill yourself you illiterate faggot

[Anonymous No.18281637]

To be fair, this also work with bolshevism.

[Anonymous No.18281644]

>>18281571
This is the dumbest thing I've read so far today.

[Anonymous No.18281659]

>>18279324
Republicans and Democrats are both liberals.
So they just conserve liberalism.
Liberalism is a sin.
Repent and submit to the Pope!

[Anonymous No.18281676]

>>18281566
I don't think it's right to burden the noblest of us with feeding weak wretched fools who aren't even related to them.

[Anonymous No.18281687]

I see the AI has entered the thread. I'm out.

[Anonymous No.18281694]

>>18281634
I dont know what else to call them. Conservatives in america (who are majority working/lower class) get led around like sheep into dumbfuck positions like actively protesting pro labor/union legislation. They bemoan taxes on the rich, and any social welfare, public education, or healthcare. They're unfathomably cucked.

[Anonymous No.18281744]

>>18281516
>Almost all countries in the world have adopted the republic, and those who
still haven't are shitholes
The most developed countries in the world are constitutional monarchies retard (Netherlands, Norway, Japan, UAE, Sweden, Denmark, etc.)

[Anonymous No.18281746]

>>18281694
Conservatives are usually more concerned with moral and social issues, a lot of them are completely indifferent to economics

[Anonymous No.18281792]

>>18281746
Rightfully so.
>muh numbers
kys

[Anonymous No.18281794]

>>18279324
It failed because hedonism is easier than the alternatives and the masses are sheep

[Anonymous No.18281834]

>>18281792
>muh numbers
You spend most of your life working. Labor conditions and wages are essential to quality of life and you have an entire voting block smooth brains voting to make it worse for themselves and everyone except for the rich (who they delude themselves into thinking are on their side)

[Anonymous No.18281835]

Friendly reminder
https://spandrell.com/2017/11/14/biological-leninism/

[Anonymous No.18282102]

>>18280971
Wrong, there is no escape from the techno tranny liberal cucktopia you drool for.

[Anonymous No.18282107]

>>18281835
Based
Learning about Bio Leninism was one of my biggest redpills

[Anonymous No.18282189]

>>18281834
Quality of life is not about increasing the rates of consumption and shitting. I fucking hate materialistic bugmans like you.

[Anonymous No.18282206]

>>18280954

>>18280655

[Anonymous No.18282226]

>>18279324
https://legacy.gscdn.nl/archives/images/suicide_note.pdf