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Is Ran a butchered adaptation of King Lear like people say? I thought it was pretty good.

>> No.18273840

>>18273831
First of all, Ran is not an adaptation of King Lear. That's a misconception.

>> No.18273863

>judging film adaptations by how close they are to the source material

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>>18273840

>> No.18273923

>>18273831
>>18273840
>>18273863
>>18273866
Ran isn't a butchered version of Lear.

It is enhanced.

>> No.18273982

>>18273866
Kurosawa mentioned in an interview that Ran wasn't based on King Lear, but rather a japanese legend or myth that closely resembles it.

>> No.18273991

>>18273831
Stop extrapolating your anglo shit to the whole world.

>> No.18274042

>>18273831
Ran is Kurosawa's best, can't convince me otherwise

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Is King Lear a butchered adaptation of The Chronicles of England, Scotlande, and Irelande by Raphael Holinshed like people say?

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>>18274042
>he hasn't seen rashomon

>> No.18275540

>>18274271
Rashomon is no Dodeskadan

>> No.18275570

>>18273831
Why don't you read the wikipedia before starting a thread?

>> No.18275666

>>18273831
Nobody says this

Ran is a masterpiece

>> No.18275683

>>18273831
Throne of Blood is the best filmed version of Macbeth.

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>>18273831
Ran is raw kino

>> No.18275978

>>18275683
Throne of Blood is incredible.

>> No.18275999

>>18273831
To any anons who have not seen Ran, go watch it now

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>>18273840
It is according to The Globe Guide to Shakespeare.
>>18273982
Provide a reference to the interview or, even better, the specific legend Ran is based on.

Either way, it deals with the same archetypes and themes using a similar narrative framework (you'd be arguing against the current to say Kurosawa wasn't at least significantly influenced by Lear). It's held up as one of the best films by one of the most highly regarded greatest filmmakers of all time. For that reason alone, I'd question whether I'd been filtered if I believed it to be "a butchered adaptation of King Lear" as said by...who exactly?

>> No.18276112

>>18274042
I haven't seen most of his filmography, but it's my favorite too.

Dreams, Maddaydo, Dersu Urzala, Dodeskain, Rhapsody in August, Kagemusha, Red Beard I all have to see

>> No.18276394

>>18274042
Ran is beautiful and has an epic scale but I think someone could argue it's stilted theatrical approach neuters any emotional impact of it's universal themes. Something like High&Low is also a masterpiece of technique and many people prefer the touching humanism of Ikiru.

>> No.18276498

>>18273982

It absolutely is King Lear but he decided to make it when he was learning about the Mori clan or some shit. It's not one or the other.

>> No.18276513

>>18276394
High & Low really caught me off-guard when I watched it. First half is this tense kidnapping drama, then it morphs into the most meticulous police film I've seen. Almost no silly theatrics; just depictions of intelligent police work.

>> No.18278054

Ran is fucking great
>>18275683
Thank you, I came here to ask if Throne of Blood was a good movie.

>> No.18279270

>>18279265
Nigga who cares about Uma? I'm a Kurosawa completionist who knows moonspeak and I've never cared to give that film a watch

>> No.18279292

>>18279270
Fuck, I wasn't expecting a reply that fast. Not even me to such a degree, hence why I wasn't gonna bother with that post. I'm just curious about it, unless I'm misremembering, being the earliest film he's credited in. I've watched all the rest of them so I figured why not.