/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18272877]

any books about being ugly?

[Anonymous No.18272880]

the temple of the golden pavillion

[Anonymous No.18272882]

>>18272880
Really?

[Anonymous No.18272897]

re: picrel, if he puts on some lipstick and a little vest top, he'd have at least half of reddit gushing over him

book? Bukowski's acne problems play a big part in Ham on Rye

[Anonymous No.18272937]

>>18272897
>he'd have at least half of reddit gushing over him
as if that means he isn't nauseatingly ugly.

[Anonymous No.18272947]

Bible

[Anonymous No.18272952]

>>18272877
everything by Houellebecq

[Anonymous No.18272960]

>>18272877
Could becoming /fit/ save this poor lad?

[Anonymous No.18272961]

a book about elephant man dont remember the title

[Anonymous No.18272965]

>>18272877

[Anonymous No.18272968]

The Hunchback of Notre-Dame?

[Anonymous No.18272974]

>>18272960
If he lost weight, hit the gym, got a new haircut, read like a maniac, and got an okay job then he could find some roastie for sure as long as he has some degree of social skills.

[Anonymous No.18272978]

>>18272877
My diary desu

[Anonymous No.18273069]

>>18272974
this is so delusional i dont even know where to begin.

[Anonymous No.18273107]

>>18273069
Yet I have seen people looking almost like OP's pic in real life holding hands with women. Often very fat women, but still women.

[Anonymous No.18273134]

>>18272877
kafkas metamorphosis

[Anonymous No.18273178]

>>18272877
Mogs me

[Anonymous No.18273187]

My upcoming autobiography

[Anonymous No.18273220]

Just be white proven right again...He has a girlfriend.

[Anonymous No.18273313]

>>18273220
proof?

[Anonymous No.18273337]

>>18272974
>>18273069
It's not delusional, you need to go outside. Ugly men find women just not attractive women. He is ugly enough that he would also need some measure of power and influence for it to work but it could work.

[Anonymous No.18274260]

>>18273337
ugly women don’t count

[Anonymous No.18274304]

>>18272877
he's just fat and has bad skin. All easily fixable

[Anonymous No.18274318]

>>18272877
If he lost a LOT of weight, trimmed the pube beard, got a better haircut, fixed the acne -- he would look normal. Almost always, someone's ugliness is because of a lack of self care for their body.

[Anonymous No.18274375]

Cyrano de Bergerac

[Anonymous No.18274385]

>>18274260
You can't move the goalpost like that. The questions should be "Can he get a woman", not "can he get a women who according to some random dude on the internet is said to be above an arbitrary number on a hotness scale".

[Anonymous No.18274404]

>>18272965
Did you even fucking read it?

[Anonymous No.18274405]

WTF! I didn’t know Socrates was still alive!

[Anonymous No.18274412]

>>18274385
Agreed. >>18274260 you are moving the goalpost.

[Anonymous No.18274419]

>>18272974
delusional

[Anonymous No.18274425]

>>18273337
ugly women don't pick ugly guys. They pick below average guys, who still look "normal".

[Anonymous No.18274506]

>>18272877
here ya go
if you want fiction, precious bane by mary webb

[Anonymous No.18274508]

>>18274425
What is even ugly for you?

[Anonymous No.18274694]

>>18273337
This guy is beyond ugly though, he is arguably deformed.
You are right there is probably someone else of a similar look he could potentially form a bond with, but considering the anxiety and shyness both of them probably have, a little unlikely.
Let alone considering all the poisonous coomer media that will have totally warped their perceptions of what is normal.

[Anonymous No.18274828]

>>18274694
>he is arguably deformed
We cannot rule out that lens distortion and the moment he was photographed did not affect his look

[Anonymous No.18275914]

>>18274508
Somethign between awdf-34 and sadu-11

[Anonymous No.18275967]

>>18273107
Yes fuck ugly people manage to get partners. The point isn't that it's impossible. It's that simply being ugly makes it so difficult to do so (and really, to live at all). His problems are lifelong. No matter how hard he hits the gym, styles his hair, takes care of his skin he is going to immediately repulse 90% of people that interact with him.

Also I've seen a video of him at some point and I'm pretty sure he has an IQ of about 50 so there's that.

[Anonymous No.18276056]

>>18275967
I never claimed that his life would be easy, that would be delusional for sure. I simply stated that he *could* get a partner if he did the things described in >>18272974

But if his IQ is 50 then yeah, he is fucked.

[Anonymous No.18276089]

>>18274318
>just take a shower bro
Will this meme EVER die?
All self-improvement only allows you to move on the numeric scale from say 5-9 (assuming SD). 10s are blessed by the gods and 1-4 are cursed.

[Anonymous No.18276097]

>>18274404
he's joking

[Anonymous No.18276204]

>>18272877
He's a bit charming.

[Anonymous No.18276222]

>>18276089
Not really a fan of personal hygiene, are you?

[Anonymous No.18276243]

>>18272960
I think if he looksmaxed he could reach something like what Henning Wehn looks like. Losing weight and clearing up his skin would do a fucking lot.

[Anonymous No.18276245]

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[Anonymous No.18276785]

>>18276243
He's ugly but handsome

[Anonymous No.18277284]

>>18272877
write one and we'll find out anon

[Anonymous No.18277500]

I was born with a cleft lip and palate. Had it fixed as a baby but I’m still ugly. Have a scar on my lip and a crooked nose.

I’ve made out with girls and felt them up before, but never had sex. Pretty sure they didn’t really like me.

[Anonymous No.18277538]

>>18272877
Frankenstein

[Anonymous No.18277854]

>>18272882
Yes, the protagonist of Temple of the Golden Pavilion is an ugly schizo. It's a weird book, I didn't really understand it. There are frequent passages about beauty and what beauty is and how it affects people but it wasn't very coherent, which may have been the point.

[Anonymous No.18277868]

>>18272877
Umberto Eco - On Ugliness

[Anonymous No.18277871]

>>18272877
I’m a girl and I have a fetish for really ugly guys

[Anonymous No.18278572]

>>18277871
Why? Are you narcissist?

[Anonymous No.18278576]

>>18277871
>I’m a girl
You will never be

[Anonymous No.18278634]

>>18277871
a cucking fetish eh?U woman are truly parasitical and evil.

[Anonymous No.18278740]

this one, my man

[Anonymous No.18280095]

>>18272877
Survival of the prettiest

[Anonymous No.18281450]

>>18277854
when you meet the buddha...

[Anonymous No.18281482]

>>18276245
:)

[Anonymous No.18281489]

>>18277871
L O N D O N
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[Anonymous No.18281496]

>>18274425
>They pick below average guys
maybe in the 90s that was the case. in 2021 you're either 7+/10 or NGMI

[Anonymous No.18282976]

He could move to Japan and star in Kimomen films.

[Anonymous No.18284025]

>>18277854
I thought the themes of the book were straight forward
>>18272880
Second this

[Anonymous No.18284046]

>>18272897
>Ham on Rye
I was going to say this.

[Anonymous No.18284080]

>>18272974
>as long as he has some degree of social skills.
You know by looking at him that he doesn’t. Also the standard for “social skills” is extremely high and extreme ugliness forms a positive feedback loop. Not that it needs to be justified, but being slightly awkward justifies someones life ending up in complete shit to all normies.
>Mentally fucked from a lifetime of living looking like a mutant troll creature?
>ah he just has a creepy personality

[Anonymous No.18284106]

I didn't realize people like this existed

[Anonymous No.18284112]

>>18272960
He could probably get a morbidly obese woman

[Anonymous No.18284295]

>>18273069
Ugly women exist too.

[Anonymous No.18284433]

>>18272877
Just don't be Irish

[Anonymous No.18284509]

>>18284025
>I thought the themes of the book were straight forward
Maybe I'm just retarded. I also read and enjoyed the Sea of Fertility but the ending absolutely filtered me and I have no fucking clue what Mishima meant by it.

[Anonymous No.18284517]

>>18284509
>Maybe I'm just retarded.
No, but I think you have to read it from the right perspective. A bit of prior knowledge on Japan's history/culture helps but (imo) most of the themes were universal.

[Anonymous No.18284542]

>>18284517
What would you say those themes were? I took from it ideas and themes such as
>having a physical deformity or an impediment like a stutter can become a focal point for the disabled person in question and act like a tumor on their identity, in some ways they become their disability
>coping with the absurd and inexplicable elements of life beyond human understanding
>exploring different forms of beauty (semi-permanent types like statues and architecture vs fleeting beauty like music or dance)

[Anonymous No.18284549]

>>18272877
The positive canthal tilt saves him. He is unironically more attractive than people with clear skin, and less bulbous features who have negative tilts because he doesn't give off the aura of weakness and being a prey animal.

[Anonymous No.18284550]

>>18284542
Oh yeah, and of course, the theme of being haunted by expectations and creating fantasies to cope with shattered expectations. Such as when the protag (frankly I don't even remember his name) expects the Golden Temple to be larger than life, then sees it and finds out that it's just a building and some grounds, but then ends up with this specter mutating and hanging over him, constantly disrupting his life and becoming a focal point in his life.

[Anonymous No.18284564]

I’d suck him off. I bet he has a big ugly monster dick

[Anonymous No.18284629]

>>18284542
Just my perspective but seems everything was interwoven into the theme of duality which is a strong theme of Zen.

Beauty of the sublime (Mizoguchi's idea of the temple) versus his first encounter with the temple where he considered it an ugly disappointment. His preference for the model of the temple compared to the temple itself, as the model would be closer to the sublime (the ideal image of the temple that could never exist).

Mizoguchi's hope that the temple be destroyed by the war despite his admiration for it. The beauty of the temple was that it was an evancescent entity. When it was spared by the war it became a permanent entity but was observed to become less of an entity.

Mizoguchi's enjoyment of the feeling of flesh that causes the taking away of flesh (the incident with the prostitute and the American soldier at the temple)

The postwar period being more evil than the war itself.

The duality of the relationship between Mizoguchi and Tsurukawa, where Tsurukawa was the positive filter to Mizoguchi's negativity.

The Zen superior's humanly traits of vice (sex, cigarettes, food). The ideal superior would be someone that is removed from all those human vices and practices austerity

The light of the city revealing its darkness (Mizoguchi seeing and reflecting on the city illuminated by light for the first time after the war)

Probably some other examples but that's what sticks out

[Anonymous No.18284635]

>>18284629
Nice post. Thank you for sharing anon

[Anonymous No.18284729]

>>18284629
>>18284635
Sure.
I think the other lens would be the historic one.

The destruction of the temple in a fire is perhaps symbolism for the destruction of Japan during the war, a lot of which burned during the bombings. The phoenix at the top, a symbol for resurrection, is the rebuilding of Japan during the post war period.

Perhaps, the temple stands for the traditional history of Japan, and its destruction may symbolize the destruction of traditionalism and Japanese culture. Japan lost the war and was rebuilt under the modern soulless strong arm of the foreign enemy. The phoenix, perhaps the spirit of the Japanese, is what survives and is reborn despite the destruction of the building.

Mizoguchi as a character seems to also be central to this historic lens. He's strong armed into hurting his own by the foreign enemy (prostitute incident) for which he feels pleasure. This may very well be pointing at the population of Japan that was compliant to the wishes of America/Allied powers in the rebuilding of Japan. Perhaps a criticism of those displaying compliance to the postwar conquest.

Additionally, he is the one that ofcourse sets fire to the temple, essentially a symbol for Japan until that point, and after conflicting emotions is satisfied with the result at the end of the story. The chilling final phrase of the story "I will live", may be the collective voice of a post war Japan, watching the burning down during the war, and contributing to the fire through complacency in the post war.

[Anonymous No.18285216]

>>18272880
good rec
>>18272882
yes

[Anonymous No.18286013]

>>18272877
my twisted world

[Anonymous No.18286035]

>>18272877
Skylark - Kosztolányi

[Anonymous No.18286066]

Grenouille is ugly as sin: scabs, scars, a club foot, incel like personality, etc...

[Anonymous No.18286358]

>>18272974
in my experience reading isnt attractive at all.