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Give me a literature character who does not fit into any of these archetypes.

>> No.18261224

>>18261201
Moravagine
Des Esseintes
Oblomov
Bel-Ami

>> No.18261233

>>18261201
An actual 3-dimensional character fits in to more than one of these, and therefore, none of them

>> No.18261252

>>18261233
Name one

>> No.18261270

>>18261252
Do Raskolkinov or Ahab fit into just one of these?

>> No.18261339

Hercule Poirot

>> No.18261359

>>18261201
Is there an online quiz which gives you one of these? I want to affirm that I am a Magician Rebel.

>> No.18261373

>>18261270
Raskolnikov was a failed Rebel. i don't think the list is meant to be exhaustive though.

>> No.18261397

>>18261233
>>18261359
I had a look through OP's image and 4 stand out as applying most strongly to me. Creator, Sage, Orphan, Explorer.

>> No.18261450

>>18261270
Raskolnikov is a Caregiver.
Ahab is a Hero.

>> No.18261460

>>18261450
ahab is satan bro

>> No.18261483

>>18261450
>>18261460
Ahab is that which turns the apple into wine. Ahab is the snake upon the pyramid of gnosis.

>> No.18261507

Stoner

>> No.18261519

>>18261201
Floyd Knowles

>> No.18261697

>>18261201
Source on these 12 archetypes “by Carl Jung”?? Looks like something out of a some click bait self help new age site for women.

>> No.18261703

>>18261201
most generic doomsday villains
yes, some of them would fall under "magician" or "creator" or "rebel", but a lot of them just want destruction for the sake of destruction.
their goal would be "destruction", which is not on the table

>> No.18261781
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18261781

>>18261201
>Give me a literature character who does not fit into any of these archetypes

>> No.18261810

>>18261397
Ok

>> No.18261909

>>18261201
katniss everdeen

>> No.18261930

>>18261201
Those archetypes are so good at separating people that i fit into all of them lol

>> No.18261958
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18261958

>>18261201
https://www.psychologistworld.com/tests/jung-archetype-quiz

Post results.

>> No.18261969

>>18261450
>>18261373
Your views on Raskolnikov proves his point

>> No.18261995

>>18261930
Wow your a timing wasting perfectionist? A too trusting cynic? A pleaser of all who needs to fight?

>> No.18262016

>>18261201
The characters of story of the eye?

>> No.18262023

>>18261995
I have been a cynic for a long time, now i am much less. And yes, I am a time wasting perfectionist and a pleaser of all who needs to fight.
In fact if you ask anyone they will fit into most of those archetypes at the same time as well

>> No.18262027
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18262027

>tfw failed sage

>> No.18262028

>>18261201
The explorer looks to be superior out of the lot.

>> No.18262052

>>18261958
>repeatedly answer that I work slowly and that I am lazy
>get Hero
wtf?

>> No.18262057

>>18262052
Save me, I'm the innocent :D

>> No.18262084

>>18261201
Astrology for men: the thread

>> No.18262124

>>18261201
Innocent = bugman
Hero = SJW
Caregiver = cuck
Explorer = well adjusted
Rebel = nigger
Lover = cuck
Jester = coomer
Sage = NEET
Magician = schizo
Orphan = doomer
Creator = autist
Ruler = fascist

>> No.18262133

>>18262124
kys

>> No.18262237

>>18262124
(You) = faggot

>> No.18262278

>>18261201
Bob Arctor
Now kindly fuck off

>> No.18262300
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18262300

>>18261958
>barely talk to anyone, anxious all the time, neurotic as fuck, huge downer whenever I decide to talk
>Light hearted, sociable and fun to be around.
lol

>> No.18262304

>>18262133
>>18262133
They hated him because he spoke the truth.

>> No.18262318

>>18261697
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_S._Pearson
Created by this person building on the ideas of Carl Jung, but not by him himself.

>> No.18262347

>>18261270
not really good examples for a counterargument, anon.

>> No.18262365

>>18261781
this a thread about Jung, anon

>> No.18262370

>>18261339
Sage

>> No.18262373

Any garden variety psychopath doesn't fit. "Transforming" is just vague enough to omit inclusion because psychopaths are not necessarily creative or interested in transformation choosing instead to operate using established and proven methods.

>> No.18262378

>>18261507
Seconded. Stoner is a strange amalgam of the everyday man and some virtuous traits.

>> No.18262413

>>18261703
Well, when you think about it, destruction can be seen as a type of transformation, so i think magician gone bad could apply in this case

>> No.18262466
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18262466

>>18262084

>> No.18262504

>>18262318
> Carol S. Pearson is an American author and educator. She
>She
Into the trash it goes

>> No.18262526

>>18261201
Shinji

>> No.18262529
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18262529

>>18262124
>creator=autist
Literally me

>> No.18262540

>>18261201
By using these you are simply reducing everything you read to match it to random stereotypes
You may think it makes you look smart, but you are the poorer for it

>> No.18262545

>>18262526
Orphan

>> No.18262550

>>18262545
shinji's flaw isn't cynicism

>> No.18262558

Holden Caulfield and don't say The Rebel

>> No.18262566

>>18262124
Nigga, you posting a corrupt interpretation, not what they represent

>> No.18262567

>>18262558
Orphan/caregiver

>> No.18262579
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18262579

>>18262124
>Ruler = fascist
So all roads lead to it then, huh?

>> No.18262581
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18262581

>>18262550
OP's chart sucks ass. Shinji definitely fits the orphan.

>> No.18262609

>>18262581
oh, definitely fits in that version

>> No.18262620

>>18262581
well wait, Shinji doesn't command respect at all, and he isn't a "survivor" either. he's incredibly weak and falls apart all the time. he's also not particularly empathetic (other than a few key moments). Maybe he's just the orphan without any strengths

>> No.18262633
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18262633

Anasûrimbor Kellhus

The Darkness That Comes Before is true literature. On the one hand epic fantasy/sci-fi of the highest tier, and on the other an exploration of Blind Brain Theory that makes it a solid philosophical work. Nothing else in the genre comes remotely close.

The biggest success is having such an utterly alien character/villain/hero in Khellus and the other Dunyain.

The internal monologue of The Survivor is like reading Hegel while on LSD.

>> No.18262667

Lord Sepulchrave

>> No.18262671

>>18262466
Why does this image have the Sepirot when the high tiers are all secular existentialism and Eastern traditions popular in the West?

Where is the Kabbalahic, Gnostic, Hermetic tier with Jung and Plato leading upwards to the Gnostics on to the Zohar, Eckhart, Hegel, and Boehme?

>> No.18262717

>>18261781
zodiacbro....I kneel

>> No.18262723

>>18262620
I dunno. The word 'orphan' makes me think of Oliver Twist; he and Shinji are definitely akin.

>> No.18262742

>>18262671
because its all about the monomyth, so it picks from different traditions, parts like a puzzle.

>> No.18262814

>>18262633
>On the one hand epic fantasy/sci-fi of the highest tier
True

>exploration of Blind Brain Theory that makes it a solid philosophical work
His takes on the mind are dogshit, his only good philosophical insight concerns language, structural symbolism, and sociological insight about idolotry

>Nothing else in the genre comes remotely close.
The Engineer trilogy, The Wizard Knight, The Dying Earth, King of Elfland's Daughter, and Phantastes are all at least as good or b etter, though you can argue that the last 2 aen't in the same genre.

>Kellhus
Ruler fits best I think

>> No.18262859

>>18262300
Lookin’ cool!

>> No.18262913

>>18262814
Khellus isn't motivated like a ruler though. The rule is a tool he jettisoned when he no longer needs it.

>> No.18262921

>>18261201
Frodo Baggins.

>> No.18262935

>>18261201
what would be Meursault?

>> No.18262948

>>18262921
Innocent rebel

>> No.18262997

>>18262300
no shit. Jungian psychology is just as much pof a pseudoscience as Freudian lies.

>> No.18263029

Guy Mannerling

>> No.18263057

>>18262300
The archetypes were never meant to be personality types for people.

The self posseses images of multiple archetypes. Every man has the Shadow and the Anima. Tests like that aren't what Jung had in mind at all.

>> No.18263318

>>18261224
>Oblomov
>Des Esseintes
>Bel Ami
based
I'd add the narrator of "hunger" by Knut Hamsun.

>> No.18263369

>>18261507
This.

>> No.18263402

>>18261201
Bateman

>> No.18263414

>>18261450
>Raskolnikov is a Caregiver.
did we read the same book?

>> No.18264271

>>18262997
both contributed significant theories to psychology and their ideas resulted in a wealth of art in western culture. I doubt there's very many people in 20xx who choose to study Freud and Jung who also don't realize how fringe their ideas are in modern clinical settings. You're not saying anything that hasn't been said before

>> No.18264406

>>18261224
>Des Esseintes
Definitely Creator archetype in my opinion

>> No.18265779

>>18261201
me

>> No.18265810

>>18261958
>Self: Joker
>Persona: Hero
Which literary character is like this?

>> No.18265846
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18265846

>>18261958
>sociable

>> No.18265851

>>18262023
only if you ask someone with little self-knowledge

>> No.18265910

>>18261201
Jesus Christ (PBUH)

>> No.18265983

>>18261201
The fuck is this picture? Is there some Carl Jung book I didn't read that this pic is based on? Excuse my ignorance if I happen to be wrong but:

This pic seems to imply there are only twelve archetypes according to jung which is flat out wrong. There is "theoretically" an infinite number of archetypes, although the major ones have been defined and explained by Jung and not a single of these appears in any of his works. The closest are the Jester (that being called "The Devil" in Jung's works) and the Innocent (that being called "The Child" in Jung).

>> No.18266083

>>18265983
Nigger.

>> No.18266096

>>18261201
Rolling

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18266208

>>18261958
Also I hate Jung.

>> No.18266212

>>18262365
he's making fun of Jung you absolute mong

>> No.18266216

>>18264271
>both contributed significant theories to psychology
psychology is bunk.
>and their ideas resulted in a wealth of art in western culture.
muh japanese video games, muh "everything is freudian if you narrow it down"

>> No.18266223

>>18262466
This is some Satanic black magic bullshit.

>> No.18266437

>>18262378
Just curious, how so? I've read similar lit to Stoner like Notes from the Underground, part of Confessions of a Mask, and Confederacy of Dunces but none of the protagonists display traits I can apply to a virtuous life. I pity them but they don't inspire me to action. Been staying away from doomer core so I wasn't planning on reading Stoner but you got me curious.

>> No.18266938

>>18262300
we live in a society

>> No.18267510

>>18261201
Everyone that has ever lived have behaved in accordance with all 36 of the attributes mentioned at some point.

>> No.18267539
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18267539

>>18261958

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18267808

>>18266208
>>18267539
Kek, sup fellow grandpas

>> No.18267841

>>18261201
>on a bike
>off a bike
>>>Give me a literature character who does not fit into any of these archetypes.

>> No.18267846
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18267846

>>18261958

>> No.18267871

>>18262347

Not really a good counter counter argument, double anon.

>> No.18267899

>>18262052
>>18262300
>>18265810
>>18265846
>>18266208
>>18267539
>>18267846
Thanks for the (You)s suckers!

>> No.18267939

>>18261201

Judge Holden
Mordred
Yossarian
Heathcliff

>>18261397

I'll engage: why?

>> No.18268474

>>18267939
Yossarian is the orphan

>> No.18268613

>>18262466
gay shit

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18268665

>>18267808
good day old boys

>> No.18268697

>>18262935
I was wondering the same thing, I think he fits into the rebel, although it’s not a perfect fit