Secular Homophobia

[Anonymous No.18240042]

Under a secular presupposition, are there truly any meat to a homophobic government?
Most things I search will mention how the consensus of social science is the arbitrariness of male-female marriage or how it isn't in any way detrimental to a child's development.
Are there even any philosophical and statistical validity to the Fruedian arguement of the necessity of masculine and feminine model in children beyond single parenthood?
Please give me literature about this topic, from books to journals, even ones about the validity of homosexuality.
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.18240067]

it's gay

[Anonymous No.18240097]

It literally leads to extinction, so any system that favours common good above the individual’s liberties would be against it. Also, most people feel naturally repulsed by the idea.

[Anonymous No.18240100]

>>18240042
>If there is no God, everything is permitted
Anyone taking secular humanism or secular morality seriously is a retard and should go back to watching twitch streamers
Now you can continue the thread

[Anonymous No.18240142]

>>18240097
>It literally leads to extinction
How?

[Anonymous No.18240148]

>>18240100
OP here and this is my core position.
I just don't want to package my view with a thesis on metaphysics and epistemology to say gay is bad because the reason I think gay is bad is because of my religion in the first place.
But if there truly aren't any secular defense for homophobia, it would be perfectly fine, I just don't want to be dishonest by arguing from that perspective.

[Anonymous No.18240153]

>>18240142
Men and women make babies together
Men and men cannot

[Anonymous No.18240160]

>>18240042
>arbitrariness of male-female marriage
Holy cow, how insane do you have to be to write that with a straight face? Seriously? I

[Anonymous No.18240166]

>>18240042
gays spread disease and reproduce by molesting children. That's reason enough to oppose them

[Anonymous No.18240167]

>>18240153
Two men not having a baby is not much of an extinction.

[Anonymous No.18240170]

>>18240160
>a straight face
I see what you did there

[Anonymous No.18240175]

>>18240167
Are you implying there's only two gays on the planet?

[Anonymous No.18240181]

>>18240175
Are you implying that all people on the planet are or ever would be gay?

[Anonymous No.18240191]

>>18240181
There's relatively more gays now than ever before, and it doesn't seem like they're going away.
If enough people in your civilization are gay, you will not be able to make enough babies, meaning your civilization will be replaced. That is extinction in the long term.

[Anonymous No.18240219]

>>18240170

[Anonymous No.18240221]

>>18240042
What is the basis of secular morality?

>social science
No such thing.

[Anonymous No.18240257]

>>18240221
>What is the basis of secular morality?
Anal sex, apparently.

[Anonymous No.18240538]

>>18240191
Then maybe straight people should breed more to compensate. Gays are still around 1% of society and yet the natality rates are plummeting in the entire developed world. Maybe the problem isn't in the gays...

[Anonymous No.18240548]

It's a mental illness that's created usually by early life sexual trauma and is comorbid with many other deviancies and mental issues. The lifestyles of these people lead them to early deaths very often. It's also very disgusting.

[Anonymous No.18240605]

>>18240042
*ahem*

[Anonymous No.18240621]

>>18240538
Oh I agree, gays are just a part of the problem, consumerism, alienation, immigration and anti-natalist propaganda are also part of it.
But "gay culture" becoming prominently advocated and no social restrictions on the behaviour definitely don't help. Lots of young people think they're gay but that's only because it's considered cool.

[Anonymous No.18240628]

>>18240097
why would you want faggots to breed though? that would just create more of them. better to let them be genetic dead ends

[Anonymous No.18240640]

in atheism , there is no truth, and no morality
science doesn't lead to truth and morality either
atheism = hedonism+metanarrative by humanists about how christian monarchies are evil

[Anonymous No.18240661]

>>18240166
>>18240548
>>18240605

[Anonymous No.18240857]

>>18240042
Procreation predates sexuality, the orgasm and romantic love. The orgasm emerged as an incentive to create offspring. To whatever degree homosexuality is genetic, it is a mutation with no clear benefit. To whatever extent it is a "choice" it has no benefit.

[Anonymous No.18240862]

>>18240628
If homosexuals bred, they would not be homosexuals and they would have no negative attributes.

[Anonymous No.18240873]

>>18240042
Well the two main points would be that is promotes the spread of sexually transmitted diseases and undermines masculine culture.

[Anonymous No.18240888]

>>18240042
>More chances of disease
>More chances of suicide
>Evolutionary dead end
>More unstable relationships
>More promiscuous
No need to invoke religion or any sort of metaphysics to argue against normalization (not to be confused with acceptance) of homosexuality.

[Anonymous No.18240896]

>>18240191
Under a 'secular humanist' government this is not really a problem. You do realize secular humanism is pro-depopulation and would rather see gene-spliced babies grown in vats.

[Anonymous No.18240995]

>>18240221
>What is the basis of secular morality?
Extension of life, and pursuing what is perceived as well-being. I don't think it can get any more specific than that without liberalism or religious/spiritual influence.

[Anonymous No.18241006]

>>18240628
That's not how genetics work.

[Anonymous No.18241023]

>>18240896
That's why secular humanism is retarded

[Anonymous No.18241032]

>>18240640
Truth is not dependent on supernatural beliefs. There's a difference between faith and knowledge. One could argue most peoples' epistemology is actually faith-based maxims, but that cannot be true, for example, of people convinced of Aristotle's epistemology of demonstrability.
Science leads to truths of the material and naturalistic world but cannot expand beyond them.

[Anonymous No.18241039]

>>18240995
That's not a basis though.
>>18240221
The basis of secular morality shouldn't really be called morality. Humans have certain virtues they adhere to despite whatever 'morality' a greater society molds them into. Secular morality must be based on things enshrined in human nature, and thus enshrined in the flesh. What this means is that anyone who tries to edit the human organism is permissive of all evil and shouldn't be suffered to have limbs.
>>18240042
There really isn't any basis for homophobia secularly though. You can be disgusted by homosexuals, and you can hate the current political movements based around them as well as their fetishization, but there isn't really a coherent reason to hate gays themselves.
>>18240097
>>18240153
Men and women make gay babies sometimes. People don't choose to be gay, hombre.

[Anonymous No.18241049]

>>18241039
>Men and women make gay babies sometimes. People don't choose to be gay, hombre.
Sometimes they do, especially in woketopia. And gay people make no babies, which is the point. How society deals with that is a choice.

[Anonymous No.18241067]

>>18241049
Someone choosing to fuck men in the ass, unironically, does not make them gay. People fuck each other in the ass all the time in prison, but they're not kissing each other on the cheeks and cuddling in bed afterwards.
>Gay people make no babies.
So? This isn't feudal Europe, there isn't going to be a population crisis anytime soon. What your ilk should be worried about is breeding your race away by fucking niggers and nigger adjacents.

[Anonymous No.18241076]

>>18240042
Anyone who accepts naturalism will know that they aren't arbitrary at all, they have an evolutionary purpose.
Anyone who accepts naturalism must also admit that it can give no prescriptive ethical views, but only predictions of what will happen with each ethical system.
Anyone who accepts naturalism cannot, on the basis of it, discard any ethical system in itself, he can only offer good or bad consequences (when socially applied).
Therefore, no matter how arbitrary masculine and feminine are, unless you separate ethics from nature, you cannot ethically prescribe homosexuality as something to be accepted.

[Anonymous No.18241077]

>>18241067
>there isn't going to be a population crisis anytime soon
Eh? The entire world outside of Africa is going to have one by 2050

[Anonymous No.18241080]

>>18241076
Things in nature do gay shit all the time.

[Anonymous No.18241083]

>>18241077
That's not tied to being gay though.

[Anonymous No.18241085]

>>18240873
>promotes the spread of sexually transmitted diseases
This is probably true among homosexual men, partially do to frequency and variety of sex encounters, but the far opposite of homosexual women, whose STD rates are virtually nonexistent in most places

>undermines masculine culture
That's definitely dominant today in modernity, though I'm not sure why. I suspect partially responsible are Abrahamic religions suppressing the social factors of homosexuality so that what remained and dominated were the genetic/hormonal factors (though I'm sure other elements of culture were influential). Homosexuality facilitated masculine structures in some ancient cultures.

[Anonymous No.18241090]

>>18240042
Even using the word ‘homophobia’ is cringe and ZOG pilled.

[Anonymous No.18241098]

>>18241085
Masculinity has always been undermined. If you're a dude in power, you want to push narratives that trick other dudes into emasculating themselves. You say you're against toxic masculinity, but your actions say otherwise.

See the interactions between the African American/Jewish community and feminism. Jews and Blacks are the first to call out masculine culture, while containing in their cultures some of the most depraved rapists in history.

[Anonymous No.18241139]

>>18241098
Yes, I definitely agree regarding feminism. Most third-wave feminism I see today almost seems universally about emasculating men to become level with women, and liberally makes accusations of "toxic masculinity" while unable to differentiate or define any other type of masculinity.

I'm actually not very familiar with the AA/Jewish communities vs feminism or masculine culture. Do you mean they are hypocritical for having anti-masculine feminist views while idealizing their own cultures whose past went against that?

[Anonymous No.18241182]

>>18241139
Western jews have a strong connection to the academic feminist movement, and African Americans talk a lot about respecting women politically, but their culture runs contrary to it.

Hypocritical describes it. I wouldn't say it's necessarily specific to their cultures though. Men in power, like the Jews currently are, always act like this. Poverty cultures, which African Americans are, also do the same thing. See lower class Italian-Americans in the previous century.

[Anonymous No.18241211]

>>18240100
Secular morality is just increasing wellbeing and reducing suffering.
>"There's nothing to make people care about morality though"
There's also nothing to make people care about God or his will either. Any morality gained from religion isn't actually religious morality but socially enforced morality.
>If there is no God everything is permitted
Some things that ARE permitted and encouraged by God are absolutely awful so I wouldn't say your point matters. Another thing is even these things that God supposedly doesn't allow, he still lets happen anyway which kind of defeats the purpose.

And none of this gets around the fact that God doesn't actually exist.

[Anonymous No.18241221]

>>18240640
Theists just completely make things up in order to justify the other things that they've made up.

[Anonymous No.18241239]

>>18240042
Oversexualisation of a culture is what matters, homosexuality does not. Now you may say that the two are intertwined but you're missing the point. Two people of the same sex loving eachother doesn't have negative effects on society. The oversexualisation of society is hedonistic and is a cause/effect of its downfall.

[Anonymous No.18241254]

>>18240221
See: >>18241211

>>18241080
There's a difference between "it happens" and "it happens all the time". Animals also kill themselves but that doesn't make it natural.
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucn2KzCDnOY

[Anonymous No.18241258]

>>18240042
what the fuck kind of word salad are you posting. you're trapped using the terms of sociologists, who have been compromised for decades. they make the rules about "what is acceptable" using solely pseudoscientific methods without having the first clue about why cultural traditions and taboos exist. if anything they seek to subvert those cultural heirlooms in favor of their academic innovation. it's the way to fame and glory for them, damn the consequences to society or government at large.

a secular presupposition, i assume you mean an atheist/agnostic government, does not exist. the closest we've come is soviet russia, and that was an inhuman monstrosity. humans are inextricably linked to their cultural heritages. the vast majority of which view homosexuality as taboo or at least sublimated into an exempted category like mystics, which is just another kind of taboo. our laws in the west didn't spring from the ground, they came from minds set in medieval Christian norms. and it's not just the law: our virtues, as well, and vices. to find homosexuality that is tacitly approved of, and even then only for the "top" as an exercise in virility and overpowering a bottom, you'd have to go back all the way to the Romans. and i don't think you'd like their rules about summary execution.

[Anonymous No.18241268]

>>18241067
There already is a population crisis. Just because we have enough resources and space to fit people in doesn't mean we're not overpopulated. It would be much more optimal to have the world's population to be a third in size and yes I would volunteer to be a victim of the purge.

[Anonymous No.18241272]

>>18240097
>It literally leads to extinction
No it doesn't. Homosexuality doesn't mean you lose the ability to reproduce. And it maintains itself around a certain percentage anyways.

[Anonymous No.18241320]

>>18241182
Yes, I understand what you're saying now. While hypocritical it also illustrates a sort of falseness and hollowness of the movement, which is largely built by the upper classes/those in power, while anyone can pay lip service to it while completely ignoring their own inconsistencies.

[Anonymous No.18241322]

>>18241080
Did you not read? It doesn't matter how much or how little it happens in nature

[Anonymous No.18241357]

>>18241211
All of your points here are accurate. Especially the third - I admire Dostoevsky's work but I never understand how his fan club sees the "If there is no God, everything is permitted" argument as convincing. It's clear that even with belief in God, anything is already permitted - one just needs to perceive that their deity wills it, and convince the masses to follow suit.

[Anonymous No.18241448]

>>18240605
you stupid fucking faggot. your conception of life and Being are so shallow and rudimentary, you should be thrown in the fucking psych ward concentration camp and fed SSRIs till your dick drops off. ever heard of biological altruism? you really think human life is a baby making machine >>> ? you're no better than an r strategy rabbit fucking senseless in some dank hole. human are K strategy, retard. gay's exist to support the extended family, to raise offspring and help gather resources. and even that's a bloody simpletons idea of life. have you ever considered the teleology of intelligence? NEWSFLASH life isn't about reproduction anymore. LOL what a fucking imbecile. we're here as negentropic agents, faggot; to propagate intelligence across the universe. what is intelligence? the ability to play and win at games. reproduction is a mindless and inefficient strategy now. what a stupid, unsophisticated fool. you have no idea what you're a part of! you are a node in the grand network of intelligent life, but you think of yourself as some simplistic prokaryote endlessly multiplying into the void. HA! check out this guy! he's a fucking E. coli! a tiny speck of biomass on the face of the earth! why don't you actually THINK for once; use that big primate brain of yours. go on chap! it's okay! women are repulsed by you anyway; soo you might as well stop thinking about yourself as a means to some reproductive end and start conceiving of yourself as an end in itself. read a book! learn some math! contribute to the fight against entropy instead of seething at faggots behind your grimy monitor . . . they don't care about you one bit; they pass you in the street and avert their gaze, pretend you don't exist; because your existence is an insult to decency and taste. LOL I cannot stop laughing at your delusion! I would spit on your short, balding, skinny fat body after my faggot friends an I are done pummelling your acne ridden face; if I didn't pity you so. Check out this looser! get a life!

[Anonymous No.18241463]

>>18240042
>"homophobic government"

You mean good government? There is no level of "acceptance" that will make mentally ill homosexuals happy. They will always call a government homophobic, no matter how many concessions they receive. Yes homosexuality happens in nature and yes that includes mankind, but that doesn't make it properly ordered (suitable to the nature or good of a thing, namely man) or virtuous.

>Please give me literature about this topic, from books to journals, even ones about the validity of homosexuality.
Nicomachean Ethics. You didn't start with the Greeks and it shows.

[Anonymous No.18241518]

>>18240042
>a homophobic government
Sounds like an economics and sociology problem. Depending on the nation and depending on the sexual leaning of the population it could be argued that more children need to be produced to sustain a growth economy, or that less children need to be produced to create a lean economy. And that's not even getting into the quality of child rearing between heterosexuals vs homosexuals parents

Opinion Zone:
I find it easy to believe that homosexual couples at the current state would be sub-optimal due to a perceived correlation between homosexuals and not being well-adjusted people. However I see no reason why 2 well adjusted homosexuals would not be able to raise a child of similar quality to a hetero sexual couple.

Quality meaning: self-sufficiency, real economic surplus created, and quality of life

[Anonymous No.18241635]

>>18240042
aberrant hyjacking of motive which is prompted by a biological drive. i see it in the same way as watching nothing tv instead of learning a skill, simply a way to get dopamine rather than correlating the dopamine with some level of biological imperitive. its the same thing as recreational drugs or sugary food.

Its an excess prompted and facilitated by a indulgent society. Its not inherently bad, its just an aberration and i look on it the same way as someone with gold grills or 7 4k screens. it generally attracts an indulgent type, but at an even baser level. Its a fetish, and I see it as such.

[Anonymous No.18241826]

Wouldn't a true fascist government encourage homosexuality, as it functions as a way to incentivize undesirables from contributing to the future population?

[Anonymous No.18241852]

>>18241826
The only way faggots contribute to society is being good goy consoomers.

[Anonymous No.18241917]

>>18241826
As a pro lgbtq person this is ok
acceptance > tolerance >>>>>> intolerance
I think what a fascist government would do is establish that being lgbtq is not ok because they want idealized citizens

[Anonymous No.18241981]

>>18241448
>you really think human life is a baby making machine >>> ?
I've seen this faggot schizo in multiple faggot threads btw,writes the same way.
>>18241211
Way to miss the fucking point buddy,you're promoting a literal liberal.
Would you have liked it better if he correctly said ''morality is a spook'' and posted a Stirner?
He would still be right,and you would still be wrong.
Buddy,I'm not Christian,but you really don't belong on this site at all,go back to wherever you came from,assuming reddit or some youtube debate channel,either way,you're a loser.
>>18241357
They aren't,you've fallen into a pseud trap.

[Anonymous No.18242104]

>>18241211
>Some things that ARE permitted and encouraged by God are absolutely awful
Also,just going to laugh at how ridiculous this ''argument'' is
You're trying to argue that something is ''awful'',which is a waste of time
Rape is awful?
Why?
Child rape is awful?
Why?
I could easily find these things to not be awful,but rather,quite pleasing,can you please explain me why they are awful?
You sound like someone that complains about human rights,pretending they aren't made up spooks.
I'm this poster btw >>18241981,and once again,your repulsive kind don't belong here,go back.

[Anonymous No.18242417]

>>18242104
what did I do wrong?

[Anonymous No.18242449]

>>18241981
>you're promoting a literal liberal.
I just used a meme picture.
>Would you have liked it better if he correctly said ''morality is a spook'' and posted a Stirner?
Well that wasn't what he said at all nor was it connected to the point he was making.
>He would still be right,and you would still be wrong.
No he isn't because he completely misunderstands secular morality and I never claimed that there was a "law of morality" in the universe.
As you said:
>Way to miss the fucking point buddy

>>18242104
>Rape is awful? Why?
Because it causes suffering. This doesn't mean that there's an inherent law in the universe that suffering is bad. It's enough that we agree that suffering is bad and therefore if rape causes it, then it is bad by our definitions of the word.
>You sound like someone that complains about human rights,pretending they aren't made up spooks.
You literally no nothing about me and have made wild assumptions about my beliefs. You are the master of straw man arguments.

[Anonymous No.18242469]

>>18240153
Artificial wombs will make w*m*n obsolete.

[Anonymous No.18242476]

>>18241211
Based

[Anonymous No.18242485]

>>18242104
Divine command theory does not solve the is ought problem.

[Anonymous No.18242645]

>>18241083
It's tied directly to the moral belief that all policies and social norms must have the objective of making everybody happy, even though from a biological perspective the main objective of a person is solely reproduction and the supposed "happiness" we feel like fucking a woman(direct attempt at making a baby), eating big macs(storing fat so you can survive to produce offspring), feeling nice after socializing (making bonds with others, which is has the same reproductive effect in mind) , is only directed so we can make babies - that's it. When you equalize homosexuality to heterosexuality and start normalizing it, you're explicitly saying there's fundamentally nothing wrong with infertility and having 0 babies, and with the effect of propagating this shit in schools and by social norms, this phenomenon worsens. Today in modern America, it's actually BETTER to be a homosexual than a heterosexual, because of the oppressor-oppressed narrative, so this even more accelerates this process. What you end up is just as predicted: in America 15% of Gen Z consider themselves LGBTQ+ (read: infertile) and the birthrates keep dropping...

https://abc7.com/lgbt-gallup-poll-gen-z-lgbtq-how-many-americans-are-gay/10367562/

[Anonymous No.18242651]

>>18240067
For you

[Anonymous No.18242693]

>>18240042
https://dailycaller.com/2014/03/25/all-the-gay-parenting-studies-are-flawed/

[Anonymous No.18242990]

>>18240100
>Anyone taking secular humanism or secular morality seriously is a retard and should go back to watching twitch streamers
What??? Ahahahahahah
The Abrahamitic Religions are the biggest perversions ever happened to earth ahahah.
Think about it, perversion comes from latin and it means "mis-use" or use something not the way it should be used.
Abrahamitic Religions use language as not it should be used like the biggest question "What is the meaning of life?" while you should ask "What is the meaning of meaning" instead since meaning is a human-created super-structure.
And what are you gonna do against the marxist left and gender theorist? They're CHRISTIANS (Muslim or Jews), even more CHRISTIANS (...) than you!
They're perverting the language to an higher level "12308 genders, I'm gender -fluid protoabroultrasexual" and that's not something AGAINST christianity IT IS THE FINAL STAGE OF CHRISTIANITY and anyone not aknowledging it is a fucking MORON.
No tell me "Please, F. O., tell me more" and I'll tell you more!

[Anonymous No.18243023]

>>18242990
Billions of animals, billions of race survived before CHRISTIANITY and they will survive after.
The "WE NEED IT, WITHOUT IT THE MANKIND WILL CEASE TO EXIST" is the biggest bullshit ever told.
Just look at the world before christianity.
Just look at india, roman empire, greek society.
India has never been a christian society... did it cease to exist?

You know what the truth is? Is that "WE NEED CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE WITHOUT IT CHRISTIANITY WILL CEASE TO EXIST"
moreover you can say "WE NEED GOD BECAUSE WITHOUT GOD, GOD WILL CEASE TO EXIST!"

[Anonymous No.18243057]

>>18242485
Neither does utilitarianism or anti-sufferingism.

[Anonymous No.18243064]

>>18243023
Who the hell are you talking to?

[Anonymous No.18243078]

>>18242990

[Anonymous No.18243090]

>>18243057
daimon resolve it all

[Anonymous No.18243097]

>>18243078
Yes, crogiolati sui meme pezzo di merda.
Rispondi nel merito se hai almeno uno spicchio di palle.

[Anonymous No.18243109]

>>18240042
i didn't read your shit jezebel thread, i won't read your shit jezebel threads, i'll never read the fucking SHIT you post next to pictures of whores, just fuck off and die!

[Anonymous No.18243123]

>>18242693
>https://dailycaller.com/2014/03/25/all-the-gay-parenting-studies-are-flawed/
Ahahahahahah YES!
OF COUSE THEY ARE WORST PARENTS THAN CHRISTIANS, BECAUSE THEY'RE EVEN MORE CHRISTIANS (LGBTQ+ final stage of christianity) AHAHAHAHHAAHAH

[Anonymous No.18243160]

>>18243123
What can a christian teach his child?
The only thing he/she can teach is to be afraid, not to have balls to actually achieve something, persuing a society of Christians without balls.

Keep avoiding porn, keep not masturbating, keep praying, keep going to the church, keep not using drugs (Drugs are bad, but my point is how do you teach your children about this shit).
Keep watching Jordan Peterson telling you "make a schedule and work hard!"

The point is not to work hard, the whole point is to delegate power to the HOLY DAIMON motherfuckers, MYTHOLOGY instead of your IDEOLOGY full of shit.


You're pursuing IDEOLOGIES and you will die within them when they will collapse face to face to the HOLY DAIMON eheheheh

[Anonymous No.18243185]

>>18240042
Philosophical positions, in fact, favor male-male relationships. I refrain from saying gay because there isn't necessarily sexual attraction involved; rather, the male form is deemed to be more beautiful than the female. In any case, a very common universal philosophical trend is a position that women are only worthy through an extension of their uterus; men are better suited to any task other than giving birth

[Anonymous No.18243188]

>>18243160
Stupid IDELOGIZED Crybabies, Christians, LGBTQSASDO and whatever has come from your abrahamit ASS

You're brain is being colonised by the clergy, some of you by the old one (Christian, catholic, muslim) and some of you by the new one (MARXIST LEFT, LGBTQS, LOVE AND PEACE, PALESTINE CRYBABIES)

AND WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU'RE TEACHING PEOPLE "HOW TO DO THINGS SO THE SOCIETY DOESN'T COLLAPSE"

AN ABRAHAMITIC SOCIETY (Christcucks, islamcucks jews) and a POSTABRAHAMITIC SOCIETY (LGBT ecc) IS NOT GONNA DIE, CAUSE IT IS BORN DEATH IN THE PRINCIPLE YOU MORONS

[Anonymous No.18243199]

>>18240100
>everything is permitted
Including the persecution of fags, just because they're disgusting.

[Anonymous No.18243208]

>>18243188
But society used to work in the past..,

YES BECAUSE HITLER KALKI DID UNLEASH THE FUCKING DAIMON, BUT IT DIDN'T LASTED LONG ENOUGH and now YOU ARE PAYING

Keep avoiding porns, you scumbags
PORN IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT, cause it lasts 10 minutes you cum and that's it ...

BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE JORDAN PETERSON VIDEOS, ALL THOSE CHRISTIANS ON TV AND ON YOUTUBE? YOU WATCH HOURS AND HOURS OF BULLSHIT AND WASTE TIME

IS WAY BETTER TO WASTE A LIL BIT OF SPERM THAN A LOT TIME TO CHRISTIANITY

THE HOLY DAIMON HAS CALLED

[Anonymous No.18243213]

>>18243208
CHRISTIANS WHAT HAVE YOU ACHIEVED?

THE HOLY DAIMON IS LAUGHING AT YOU

[Anonymous No.18243217]

>>18243213
I just invented the term "holy daimon" I'm not referring to any magical bullshit or whatever

[Anonymous No.18243218]

Homosexuality is a threat to the human race, literally
If everyone just turned gay we’d die off in a generation

[Anonymous No.18243224]

>>18240097
You can force breed women. Childless women are a bigger cause of extinction than guys having fun with each other.

[Anonymous No.18243241]

>>18243218
>Homosexuality is a threat to the human race, literally If everyone just turned gay we’d die off in a generation
Catholic priesthood is a threat to the human race, literally If everyone just turned priest we’d die off in a generation
Being a soldier is a threat to the human race, literally If everyone just turned soldier we’d die off in a generation
Mathematics is a threat to the human race, literally If everyone just turned mathematician there would be no labourer

[Anonymous No.18243249]

>>18243241
Fallacious comparison.
The whole point of the priesthood is that it’s only for a select few

[Anonymous No.18243252]

>>18243218
This is the evil seed of totalising ideology,
where everything has to be totalised.

This is the KANT MORAL SIN, but as far as you told it I can say it's more of a CUNT MORAL SIN, you little cunt.

PRAISE TO THE DAIMON

[Anonymous No.18243260]

>>18243249
Fallacious comparison.
The whole point of the homosexuality is that it’s only for a select few

Go watch how mother nature works, you idiot.

Homosexual are free from having children and the should have access to the shamanic roles.
Da Vinci, Turing. Michelangelo, etcetera.

[Anonymous No.18243263]

>>18243260
Gays reproduce through child molestation. They won’t stop if you don’t prevent them from doing it

[Anonymous No.18243271]

>>18243260
You think mother nature works like your stupid ideology or it is a complex system?

We would know everything about everything yet we know nothing, because of complexity and the best way to dominate complexity is to know what NOT TO LOOK FOR, and you are looking for the wrong thing.

KYS FAG

[Anonymous No.18243277]

>>18243249
priesthood sounds very jewish

[Anonymous No.18243278]

>>18243263
In percentage priest are more likely to commit child rape

[Anonymous No.18243286]

>>18243263
Also if your ideology teaches children that "NO SEX IS PROHIBITIVE" then 3/4 of the psychological death sentence is your fault and only 1/4 the rapist.

[Anonymous No.18243290]

>>18243278
They also love to have homosex parties.

[Anonymous No.18243301]

>>18243290
So what?

Your totalising dumb brain cannot understand that reality is complex? That homosexuality doesn't lead directly to child rape?

Yes most of the child rapist are homosexual, but most of the homosexaul are not child rapist (and if those children suffer is 3/4 fault of your ideology and teaching on sex).

[Anonymous No.18243308]

>>18240042
Secular anything is nonsense. It only exist in so far as you let it influence your mind and are controllable. If you are free thinking enough and strong enough, you can evade, or enforce your will upon the system. I have my own moral standard based on ideas of objective beauty in accordance with a deistic belief in god, but generally I think morality is nonsense. “Hur dur homos can’t make kids, homos spread disease, homos reproduce by molesting kids etc. etc. etc.” Who fucking cares what these guys think they have no power and even if they did (in place of the Zionist Masonic plantation a bunch of conserva-Christ nogs) they could probably be easily avoided if you had the Will. Do what you wish, wanna oppress people, fine, if they want to retaliate or act in the shadows fine. Not like neoliberal god is gonna judge them for being “racis” or consercuck god will torture them for liking boys. Also that woman is ugly.

[Anonymous No.18243310]

Some men are cute

[Anonymous No.18243312]

It is in fact biologically advantageous to have two male parents. If we examine, for example, swans, we see that homosexual pairings are considerably more powerful than heterosexual pairings. The security granted to them by this dynamic offers them greater material prosperity amongst other things.

Unfortunately for contemporary society, while there are homosexuals in nature, there aren't any faggots

[Anonymous No.18243318]

>>18243290
Please, I ask you, to give me a strong argument against homosexuality.

Because I LOVE TO HATE people, especially other races, muslims, christians etcetera.

If you give a single valid reason to hate homosexual people (not the LGBTQASDKJNAS idelogised ones) I will send you 50$ in btc right now

[Anonymous No.18243322]

>>18240100
>If there is no God, everything is permitted
The only right answer

[Anonymous No.18243334]

>>18243301
Because it's disgusting. Priests are supposed to be pure but they fuck each other in the ass in secrete. I don't trust any organized religion or really any secret society.
>>18243318
cringe homo

[Anonymous No.18243337]

>>18243308
>enforce your will upon the system.
This is what prosperity means, not "FOLLOW THE STUPID IDEOLOGY" shit.

I you love yourself you should think more like this guy.

[Anonymous No.18243345]

>>18243334
cringe homo is your argument?

You don't like money, don't you?

[Anonymous No.18243349]

>>18240166
>>18240097
>>18240153
>>18240166
And why should I care about this? If there is no god... in a secular scenario... as long as I assert my will and get away with it it wouldn’t fucking matter. I could die at 110 years old never tried for my crimes and I could dude knowing there wasn’t some Christ-nog god to beat me for doing so.

[Anonymous No.18243363]

>>18243349
You missed the whole point!

If those people know then they acknowledge their waste of time on stupid idelogies

[Anonymous No.18243373]

>>18243345
I don't need your pozzed coin

[Anonymous No.18243388]

>>18243373
you can't just debate with a person that isn't the lgbtq furry you're debating all day long in your head

[Anonymous No.18243395]

>>18243337
>I you love yourself you should think more like this guy.
Yep. Literally just do what is best for yourself in spite of god and satan, good and evil, right or left. Self preservation and self satisfaction is the only feasible true gospel.

[Anonymous No.18243408]

>>18243395
you "totalised" my thought, once again those people that totalise everything are disgusting.

If is not X then it is Y, right? That's how it works!

Go back to high school, nigger

[Anonymous No.18243409]

>>18243312
>It is in fact biologically advantageous to have two male parents
Nothing against fags but from an objective stand point nah.

[Anonymous No.18243425]

>>18243408
I’m not trying to totalizator anything, I’m just trying to explain my own views on things in relations to others commentary.

[Anonymous No.18243432]

>>18243425
you are this guy

[Anonymous No.18243437]

Since you all moral people like to quote Dante, here is his biggest enemy's poem:

If I were fire, I would consume the world;
If I were wind, then I would blow it down;
If I were water, I would make it drown;

If I were God, t'would to the depths be hurled.
If I were Pope, I'd have a lot of fun
with how I'd make all Christians work for me;
If I were emperor, then you'd really see -
I'd have the head cut off of everyone.

If I were death, then I'd go to my father;
If I were life, I'd not abide with him;
And so, and so, would I do to my mother.

If I were Cecco - as in fact I am -
I'd chase the young and pretty girls; to others
Would I leave the lame or wrinkled dam.

[Anonymous No.18243439]

>>18243432
?

[Anonymous No.18243445]

>>18240042
>meat to a homophobic government
No, not really. From a purely secular standpoint a countries peoples are replaceable units whose acceptability is determined by their economic contributions and not their personal life or interests. Even on a "family" level the secular argument is still economically focused by attempts to justify ot denounce based on things like expected lifetime earnings of people who grew up under a given parental arrangement.
In the secular world homosexuality like all things is as acceptable as the group is economically powerful.

[Anonymous No.18243479]

>>18243445
>In the secular world homosexuality like all things is as acceptable
A lot of things in modern secular society aren’t acceptable like “racism.” It’s just the system allowing whatever keeps it going like corporatized LGBTQ crap.

[Anonymous No.18243538]

>>18240042
> is the arbitrariness of male-female marriage or how it isn't in any way detrimental to a child's development.
This is because modern social science rejects teleological social norms that would have been considered the basis of being "well-adjusted" 50 years ago. If there's a p=0.005 match between kids who grew up with homosex parents and not wanting to have children themselves, the researchers would not identify that as detrimental to the child's development. Basically, the bounds of what is considered "correct behavior" is so wide that how do you even measure that it's not detrimental to a child's development? Probably basic material measures like suicidality, which aren't good metrics because suicide =/= "Improper development", it's just one aspect of it.

Male-female marriage ensures that regardless of the sex of the child, they have a readily accessible role model to determine proper male or female behavior in society. That's why, for example, many trans people have had abusive, violent, or absent parents, and therefore get improper impressions of either a) what is and isn't acceptable behavior for men/women in society, or b) how to express traits of the male and female sexes in society. This can happen even if the parents AREN'T strictly abusive/violent. E.g, from this article:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culture-mind-and-brain/201811/why-is-transgender-identity-the-rise-among-teens
>To meet the diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria, a child typically needs to have shown observable characteristics of the condition prior to puberty, such as “a strong rejection of typically feminine or masculine toys," or “a strong resistance to wearing typically feminine or masculine clothes." Again, 80 percent of the parents in the study reported observing none of these early signs in their children.

This is also telling because trans behavior is not considered mental illness and would not necessarily be counted as a sign against being "well adjusted", but consider that the symptoms of it are classical signs of a maladjusted child: willfully disobedient and antisocial behavior, unqualified rejection of social norms of the society around them, animosity toward or against the self. If these get dismissed as not being "signs of improper development" then what do you think social scientists are actually using to MEASURE the supposed child development in the supposed consensus they have? And even importantly, if, for example, as a gay man my family life is much more unstable, do you think that's quantified by studies that are explicitly controlling for the impact of homosexuality? The answer is, it isn't. Family stability is controlled out. Regardless of the fact that lesbians, for example, have extraordinarily high rates of domestic physical and sexual abuse, which is an enormously negative environment to raise a child in, the supposed consensus would still say that being a lesbian has no impact.

[Anonymous No.18243897]

>>18240042
What in the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.18244528]

>>18240042
>Secular Homophobia
What does this even mean?

[Anonymous No.18244551]

do gays ever stop and realize they're attracted to literal shit-holes? do they ever look at a toilet and think "this is where I was?"

it's just so patently unnatural, it's no wonder they're all deeply unsettled

[Anonymous No.18244862]

>>18240042

[Anonymous No.18244873]

>>18244551
Why are heteros so obsessed with anal sex? I am gay and I have no interest in it and never think about it, but you freaks are always going on about bumming and buggering. Obsessed.

[Anonymous No.18245567]

>>18243349
Why are you here? Fullfill your primal desires, do drugs and kill yourself. There is no god and your life is utterly meaningless. It is what you argue for, so why do you not live out your deepest fantasy and end yourself on a high note?

[Anonymous No.18245590]

>>18240067
fpbp

[Anonymous No.18245674]

>>18240042
Firstly homosexuals aren't born but are created by disfunctional environments. Eliminate disfunctional environments and you eliminate the most vocal and overbearing homosexuals. Secondly homosexuals are sexual deviants, proven by their widespread participation in fetish/bdsm lifestyles, their pedophilia and the spread of disease in their communties. Finally they also cannot raise children properly as they have massive amounts of substance abuse, the aformentioned pedophilic tendencies; this is proven by the fact that the adoptive children of homosexuals are more likely to be obese; intellectually impared, depressed and homosexual, which again proves that the homosexual is an abuser and created by a deeply flawed environment, homosexual begets homosexual, pedophile begets pedophile

[Anonymous No.18245844]

>>18245674
>this is proven by the fact that the adoptive children of homosexuals are more likely to be obese; intellectually impared, depressed and homosexual
Source

[Anonymous No.18246072]

>>18241448
Meds, buddy

[Anonymous No.18246120]

>>18242449
Doesn't rape cause suffering due to how society looks at rape? If rape were accepted it would cause less suffering. Also doesn't half of female rape victims have the best sex of their life when they are being raped?
Doesn't the obese person suffer when he tries to cchange diet and become healthy again? He will die earlier, sure, but how do you compare the amount of suffering near the end of his obese life with the suffering towards a healthier and longer life? What if he suffers more in the latter situation?
My point would be: isn't suffering subjective and influenced by external factors?

[Anonymous No.18246137]

>>18245844
It's from a study with like 12 people lol. Mostly lesbians

[Anonymous No.18246151]

>>18245844
this is true, not for the reasons you think, but because it’s much easier to adopt a disabled child than an abled child, especially if you are gay

[Anonymous No.18246472]

>>18240042
The concept of "homophobia" as an intrinsic moral evil in and of itself ironically presupposes a Christian concern for the victim/outsider.

[Anonymous No.18246689]

>>18240100
Doing good feels good. People were good to each other before god, and they will be after the concept is lost in time.

[Anonymous No.18246707]

>>18240042
I never needed God to call someone a faggot.
>>18244873
>Why are heteros so obsessed with anal sex?
Americans.

[Anonymous No.18246801]

>>18241254
This Luke Smith guy is a fucking moron. To cure societal addiction he concludes making it harder to obtain will fix everything. Man is an overopitionated pleb.

[Anonymous No.18246873]

>are there truly any meat to a homophobic government?

[Anonymous No.18246889]

>>18242104
>what is the probability that the next ball you take from a box will also be gold?
pls explain:
Do you choose from 1 out of 3 boxes at random, after taking a sneak peek at the golden ball? Or do you discard that box after seeing the golden ball (making it 1 out of 2)?

[Anonymous No.18247052]

>>18241254
but suicide is natural

[Anonymous No.18247098]

>>18244862
Good goy! Don't breed and die of aids!

[Anonymous No.18247114]

>>18244862

[Anonymous No.18247117]

>>18240100
yes, all system of morality are ultimetly based off arbitrary spooks

[Anonymous No.18247140]

>>18247114
hmm do i listen to plato or this chinless wonder. i just can't decide

[Anonymous No.18247143]

>>18241211
it is more often the case than the contrary that the suffering of one yields benefit to another

>awful
the meaning of this word for you must necessarily be relative, you cannot ascribe something the attribute of 'awfulness' as if it is a transcendent value when you reject objectivity
in fact you cannot logically make a claim regarding anything; your existence must be no more than that of a mechanical, organic system of inputs and outputs

[Anonymous No.18247147]

>>18244862
Fuck Plutarch for being such a faggot, people think ancient greece was all about faggots because of shit he wrote on things that happened before his birth

[Anonymous No.18247176]

>>18240191
We have techniques to manage that. The real question isn't siring, but the mare to be bred. I don't know how the dynamic in lesbian couples would work on average, I suspect one of the two would elect to play the role of the mother, and so in the best case and worst case you're removing a very small portion of the fertile soil. Some 1.7% might safely be considered removed, which may well fall into the category of marginal and inconsequential. It is somewhere between 3-5% of a population that identifies as gay globally. Now how people are recruited into homosexuality whether by the heritable or by election is where your real question is, the small fraction of non-producers growing to a great number is the real concern but only under the assumption that the base rate is moveable.

[Anonymous No.18247214]

>>18247140

[Anonymous No.18247232]

>>18240042
What the fuck am I reading and why does it have any replies?

[Anonymous No.18247265]

>>18247214
i too can write words on a screen with no sources and cite it as fact

[Anonymous No.18247320]

>>18247265
Keep seething homo

[Anonymous No.18247332]

>>18245567
Because I don’t posses all those desires. I have other goals.

[Anonymous No.18247354]

>>18247114
Lol just cause you don’t like Jews doesn’t mean you have to agree with the long gone SS

[Anonymous No.18247397]

>>18247265
Don’t try to justify your action to people who hate you my friend. It’s like conservatives who try to explain to liberals how they are “not racis.” Just make sure to stay alive and do what you wish in life before the void. In all honesty this place isn’t really good for anyone, and is a waste of time when you could be pursuing your passions, no matter how profane or divine they are, and I say this for myself too. When I think about it there is no real point in arguing with anti-homos online they pose no threat in our (((society))). Perhaps we are simply trying to relive in a bastardized way the thrill a homosexual would feel in a less degraded society, there’s less fun if there is no risk. That was rebellious once but it no longer is, but this is still a opportune time to spite society in other ways. But regardless it’s a waste of time To be here, why browse /lit/ when you can read books? If you can’t have the comfort of a cute boy, you can have the comfort of a good book, and it wo by argue with you, you can take what you want from it and make something better. I learn the most arguing with books in my head not in this fucking honey pot.

[Anonymous No.18247401]

>>18240067
KEK

[Anonymous No.18247415]

>>18247397
>and it wo by argue with you
and it won’t argue with you

[Anonymous No.18247422]

>>18247397
>"just don't argue bro, keep yourself on echo chambers and keep telling yourself that you are right"

[Anonymous No.18247444]

>>18247422
>keep telling yourself that you are right"
Yes. You people don’t offer anything better so fuck off.

[Anonymous No.18247454]

How the fuck are we even at this point?

[Anonymous No.18247479]

>>18240042
The amount of mental gymnastics required to be more or less okay with men fucking each other in their shit holes is proof that homophobia is natural and healthy. It takes YEARS of comprehensive conditioning for people to tolerate homosexuality. Clear your mind for 10 seconds and think about it calmly. It's fucking disgusting. Simple as.
t. Agnostic, homophobic, racist.

[Anonymous No.18247496]

Despite making up only 2% of the population, 40% of convicted pedophiles are homosexuals.

[Anonymous No.18247503]

>>18247479
More like the amount of mental gymnastics to argue for anything from a secular stand point. At least make up some god to scare people. Your not trying.

[Anonymous No.18247508]

>>18247503
>More like the amount of mental gymnastics to argue for anything from a secular stand point

Are these >>18247320 >>18247496 not enough for you?

[Anonymous No.18247514]

>>18247454
simple
>OP mentions homosexuality in some way
>innevitable "homosexuality is bad because degeneracy"
>innevitable "well actually the greeks were gay" reply to the last one
>innevitable "well actually the greeks hated the gays" reply

[Anonymous No.18247515]

>>18247503
>noooooo you have to give a reason!!!
I did. I sense, I react. It's gross. SIMPLE. AS.

[Anonymous No.18247569]

>>18247508
No

[Anonymous No.18247574]

>>18247515
And I wanna do it. Simple as. The inherent key chaotic nature of reality allows us both to do whatever we wish even if conflicting. You prove my point.

[Anonymous No.18247582]

>>18247422
there are ways to expose yourself to different ideas that are far more edifying and informative than arguing with retards on 4chan

[Anonymous No.18247594]

>>18241211
Get over yourself you stupid faggot.

[Anonymous No.18247606]

>>18240042
>Under a secular presupposition, are there truly any meat to a homophobic government?
No
>Please give me literature about this topic
Literature in the research sense is not the kind of literature this board is for. Calling it literature is a misnomer, in fact.

You are all feeding the troll, retards

[Anonymous No.18247611]

>>18243109
>i'll never read the fucking SHIT you post next to pictures of whores
Perhaps a bit too mean, but the sentiment is not said enough. Nothing bores me more than pictures of random woman.

[Anonymous No.18247627]

>>18247582
Yes? It's subjective. You're free to be a faggot and I'm free (in theory) to think of you as a disgusting subhuman.

[Anonymous No.18247635]

>>18247627
it's really funny to me how every reply to me in this thread assumes I'm gay

[Anonymous No.18247647]

>>18247635
Actually I intended to reply to >>18247574 with >>18247627.

[Anonymous No.18247655]

>>18247627
>You're free to be a faggot and I'm free (in theory) to think of you as a disgusting subhuman.
Good. So we’ve reached an agreement, thus proving what I said to be the truth.

[Anonymous No.18247673]

>>18242645
>majority is bisexual
Bis always end up in straight relationships and have kids, they just kiss same sex people for attention for a few years before getting there

[Anonymous No.18247682]

>>18247655
Yea in a Godless world of endless subjectivity, ANYTHING is acceptable. Woohoo, stunning victory.

[Anonymous No.18247917]

>>18243278
lying troon, rate of pedophilia among priests is 4% and at least 15% among homosexuals

[Anonymous No.18247956]

>>18243439
>>18243479
>>18246873
>>18247397
>>18247569
>>18247655
>tranime

[Anonymous No.18248190]

>>18240042
Only argument is a utilitarian authoritarian one - people must reproduce and must do so as dictated by government.

[Anonymous No.18248593]

>>18240042
If your a straight guy and you are actually worried about the act of homosexuality, you are gay. Some of the most image obsessed men in the entire universe remove themselves from getting pussy on purpose and they like it! Leave them to it.

[Anonymous No.18248676]

>>18240153

>shoot cum from peepee
>put cum in hand
>push cum into hoohoo