/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18226079]

Do you think 4chan and shitposter culture generally is a culturally significant event that will have far reaching effects as a result of the generation of young men it influence? Or is this just some random flash in the pan we’ll forget a decade from now if they shut it down?

[Anonymous No.18226090]

>>18226079
I dont think its a question up for debate. It obviously is. from both popular terminology as well as down stream influence in cultural trends and shit.

[Anonymous No.18226104]

>>18226090
4chan is downstream from twitter and deviantart for the most part

[Anonymous No.18226204]

>>18226104
What's downstream from 4chan?

[Anonymous No.18226237]

>>18226104
well, at some level of course, its all interconnected, but I have to disagree in terms of precedence. the manor of speach and format seems to me to be a development of 4chan and similar image board "culture" that than developed or was subsubed into a larger fishtank of twitter and the like.

As far as we are talking about classically 4chan derived conventions.

[Anonymous No.18226241]

>>18226079
wow, Vaush really went down hill since then, damn.

[Anonymous No.18226244]

>>18226079
i only know filthyfrank who are the other guys?
and 4chan is totally irrelevant now. has been irrelevant since moot left. it's basically 9gag now.

[Anonymous No.18226252]

>>18226237
literally one twitter community is responsible for all of 4chan culture

[Anonymous No.18226257]

>>18226252
this.
twitter is far far far more culturally significant.

[Anonymous No.18226264]

>>18226252
which one?

[Anonymous No.18226266]

>>18226104
Agreed, 4chan is just feeding off Twitter scraps now. This is increasingly irrelevant platform now that Twitter meme accounts create all the hot content and 4chan just adopts and distorts - anonymously of course.

[Anonymous No.18226269]

>>18226104
4chan is downstream from *reddit* even.

[Anonymous No.18226271]

>>18226252
Really? i cant speak to that Since I have never used twitter. Though I would assume that the format and mores would be somewhat different. Also, pretty sure 4chan predates Twitter as a popular service, so if anything, I would assume its at most coevolution.

[Anonymous No.18226273]

>>18226257
which is wild because so few use it

[Anonymous No.18226274]

>>18226264
can’t say I was only in it for a day, and didn’t speak once. it’s fascinating though, you just have to dig. whole thing is an application of the landian ‘runaway’ culture shit

[Anonymous No.18226282]

>>18226273
that's wrong

[Anonymous No.18226287]

Can someone dig up the passages from Ender's Game where some anonymous kid engaging in political debates in online forums manages to become the most important public intellectual/pundit? I don't remember the specifics

[Anonymous No.18226301]

>>18226266
>>18226104
this is only the case in the last 3-4 yrs and a lot of stuff that's old news here takes a while to get popular elsewhere. it used to be case that things were very obviously from 4chan, now it's not really from anywhere. also, i feel there's still a unique style to 4chan, you definitely notice a difference, but the content is ofc much the same these days. i think the difference is in censorship and purpose. the purpose of it elsewhere is in virtual points and persistent identity (e.g. upvotes and followers). it's a bit more unhinged and autistic here. with no clear purpose aside from abusing the imageboard format and shitposting.

[Anonymous No.18226305]

ITT: people overestimating twitter's influence because they're all twitterfags themselves.

Outside your bubble nobody gives a fuck about twitter

[Anonymous No.18226312]

>>18226266
Eh, I’ve been using Twitter for 8 months now and there’s still a lot originating here and traveling there. 4chan is no longer the sole meme generator for the internet but it still makes up a sizable slice of the pie.

[Anonymous No.18226317]

>>18226305
It's already the most influential communication platform in western world and growing rapidly. Even now you're already socially irrelevant without strong Twitter presence. Get clout or stay incel.

[Anonymous No.18226320]

>>18226204
You don't wanna know.

[Anonymous No.18226330]

>>18226317
>you're already socially irrelevant without strong Twitter presence.
Thank God, God willing it shall stay that way

>>18226305
That being said, after Trump's rise and fall, Twitter's importance in societal discourse and politics cannot be emphasized enough.

[Anonymous No.18226332]

>>18226317
Imagine plugging yourself straight into a propaganda machine because you believe it makes you "socially relevant".
You've been spooked mate

[Anonymous No.18226333]

It has to be said the quality of posts on this site overall has degraded so heavily since the 2016 election it isn't funny. /Pol/ really spacked up this site, and I say that as someone "conservative" or "right" or whatever the fuck that means now, I couldn't put a name on it thankfully. There's dumb wignats who shit up threads with questionable infographs, just the other side of the tranny coin where the countdown is on until "have sex incel" is posted. It's every fucking board, this one is better than most for actual discussion but not exempt.

[Anonymous No.18226336]

>>18226317
That's true only for women, since they banned trump twitter lost its relevance. Most of twitter users a tumblerinas who like to declare their pronouns and stand with BLM, and all the intersting users get banned

[Anonymous No.18226338]

>>18226204
racist pepe/animepedo discord groups

[Anonymous No.18226342]

>>18226301
Yea, I find 4chan posting to be much more comfy. No adds, no profiles, no likes, just text and sometimes images. It feels distant from the rest of the internet’s noise. On Twitter you can fall down a chain of hyperlinks to all these different profiles and get barraded by shit like tik toks and otherwise normie content.

[Anonymous No.18226343]

>>18226338
How do i find the good disscord groups? I how no idea how to use that site

[Anonymous No.18226346]

>>18226317
>Even now you're already socially irrelevant without strong Twitter presence
I've never once had a conversation in person that involved the number of someones twitter followers. Then again I'm not a 16 year old girl.

[Anonymous No.18226350]

>>18226330
>, after Trump's rise and fall, Twitter's importance in societal discourse and politics cannot be emphasized enough.

I get your point but I'm not sure I fully agree. I think Trump's twitter was highly influential not because of Twitter but because the media immediately jumped on anything he tweeted and made news out of it. Trump was in the news 24/7 because the media got attention out of it and he said outrageous things at times. It wasn't because he used Twitter per se.
I think he could have used any other platform and it would have a similar effect. It was more about the media dynamic.

[Anonymous No.18226351]

[Anonymous No.18226374]

>>18226333
Board quality only decays from what I’ve observed. As time passes more and more normies discover the site and shit it up. Which is fine, quality discussion can still be had if you look. I find /lit/ a, for the most part, decent place.

[Anonymous No.18226378]

>>18226104
>twitter
nah that's just people shilling. twitter doesn't influence anything except the occasional normie, and only tourists respond to twitter threads
>deviantart
i don't know how you could draw that conclusion. deviantart is like some kid at school you keep around to make fun of.

that said, 4chan is no longer upstream of anything. our relevance as content creators is basically over.

[Anonymous No.18226379]

>>18226274
Sounds like you're full of shit

[Anonymous No.18226394]

>>18226252
twitter wasn't really discussed on 4chan until 2014ish when it became such a huge platform for political bullshit that culture war fanatics couldn't help themselves.

[Anonymous No.18226401]

I personally love talking to interesting weirdos from across the world. It exposes me to tons of shit and points of view I wouldn’t otherwise have access to. It has been very instructive in broadening my worldview and for that reason I intend to be a lifetime shitposter.

[Anonymous No.18226410]

>>18226394
2014 is like a different era in internet years, 90% of current 4chan users arrived later than that. Twitter is the dominant online trendsetter, vast majority of the new content that appears here originates from there.

[Anonymous No.18226418]

>>18226410
> Twitter is the dominant online trendsetter, vast majority of the new content that appears here originates from there.
Name one such trend? Only thing I can think of is spottemgottem posting but that's not even online trend but a 4chan thing.

[Anonymous No.18226419]

>>18226410
[citation needed]
Lot of simps for bluechecks ITT, at best.

[Anonymous No.18226431]

>>18226379
believe what you want

[Anonymous No.18226432]

>>18226410
give some examples then. aside from people shilling controversial tweets to election tourists i can't think of any content that originated from twitter. besides, the original post said "all of 4chan culture". chargin' mah lazer, habbo hotel, board-tans, ISHYGDDT, lolcats, wojaks, pepe, anime references etc did not come from twitter.

[Anonymous No.18226441]

>ITT: retards who think that twitter has any relevance
Barely anyone uses Twitter in comparison to Instagram, which is by far the most important social media site for normies. Twitter isn't even in the same league

[Anonymous No.18226451]

>>18226104
>>18226237
>>18226266
>>18226305
>>18226317
>>18226410
You know what it was before Twitter?

It was Tumblr.

Before that, it was Reddit.

Before that, it was Gaia.

Before that, it was SomethingAwful.

Over and over and over, challengers to 4chan rise, and fall. They arise, and they shit up 4chan, and then they are broken, and are destroyed, and then they go away. And 4chan remains.

This site is a survivor. Twitter is next on the chopping block, it's going to be nuked into irrelevance the same way Tumblr, Reddit, and Gaia were.

[Anonymous No.18226453]

>>18226418
The spotemgottem pooh shiesty video comments is all 4chan.

[Anonymous No.18226485]

I want the twitter trannies who come to /lit/ for a “personality” to leave again.

No one gives a shit about your twitter meme bubble except yourself.

[Anonymous No.18226493]

>>18226317
It was a failing website, which is why Jack Dorsey got his foot halfway out the door with squarepay, until Donald Trump singlehandedly revived it. Not sure how it's doing now but I'd be willing to bet in a couple years it'll start fading into irrelevance. If it doesn't it will only stay relevant because instagram became horrendous and all other competitors were forced out of business

[Anonymous No.18226501]

>>18226343
Discord is fed-central
>>18226451
truth

[Anonymous No.18226527]

>>18226237
>manor of speach
jesus fucking christ

[Anonymous No.18226532]

>>18226441
user base doesnt equal influence you fucking retard. 4chan has a much larger influence on memes than it's user base would suggest

[Anonymous No.18226552]

>>18226451
Don't forget Ebaums.

[Anonymous No.18226553]

>>18226287
That's like a solid 16th of the book anon, you'd have to ctrl c v an entire chapter.

[Anonymous No.18226578]

Fucking t*itter narcissistic subhumans are chimping out here in full force.
Go back to your shitehole if you faggots think that it's "so culturally relevant".

[Anonymous No.18226590]

>>18226252
>there are people that actually believe this

[Anonymous No.18226689]

>>18226317
>Even now you're already socially irrelevant without strong Twitter presence
yikes. The youths have been using Instagram and TikTok more than anything for a few years now. Twitter being the dominant platform is almost as outdated as Facebook

[Anonymous No.18226823]

>>18226451
God i hope so. I've been a lurker for years and the quality is going drastically worse.

[Anonymous No.18226836]

>>18226244
Maxmoefoe, idubbz and anythingforveiws.

[Anonymous No.18226840]

>>18226252
Lets all laugh at this stupid fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.18226890]

>>18226079
>shitposter culture
It's a scourge even here. It's impossible to have a thread anymore without some retard trying to insert his politics into it. A one line shitpost can derail an entire thread as lurkers normally unable to contribute a single coherent thought to any thread see their opportunity to reinforce their sense of ingroup solidarity with a deluge of image macros and replies of BASED, KEK, and CRINGE. It's just an unenjoyable dynamic. When you try to confront them on their shitposting they try to turn it into some ingroup/outgroup dick waving contest as if you're attacking the specifics of their beliefs. Like nigger, I really couldn't give less of a shit what you believe politically. You are not that important. I don't want to see the seven-millionth thread on why tranny man or judeboy is very bad BECAUSE I don't give a shit about your politics. Go post on /pol/.

[Anonymous No.18226894]

>>18226317
boomer moment

[Anonymous No.18226895]

>>18226343
>>18226501
Pedos out

>>18226451
Reddit is a much larger website with a much stronger community than 4chan.

[Anonymous No.18226896]

It isn't about websites anymore, but co-ordinated effort by groups to generate and push content on those platforms. If you are thinking in terms of "the cool funny website vs the gay lame website" you have a seriously outdated model that doesn't match reality.
What matters is private groups, small collectives working together. This doesn't have to be a super secret service, it can be on twitter, discord, reddit, FB chat. Basically any service that allows for private group chats so that an esoteric core can form to then push content on the exoteric parts of the web.
You can try this out for yourself, assuming you have 4 or 5 friends. Come up with some dumb idea and then orchestrate its introduction into the wider digital ecosystem. Chances it will not be very good, but there are people who are highly skilled at this, and it is a skillset being increasingly sort after by government and the private sector.

I would add that 4Chan is incredibly susceptible to these kinds of manipulations because of its pseudo-anonymity. On twitter if 20 accounts made 3 months ago, and mostly inactive up until the present, all started posting the same thing in reply to people, or dogpiling on one account with identical criticism, you can draw the conclusion fairly quickly as to what is happening. Although this is an example of people executing an operation crudely.
On 4chan you mostly have to rely on a sense of intuition honed from personal experience, and this makes it harder to articulate a case as convincing as you could on other websites. This also means it is easier to pass of an operation as organic. Paranoia is the flipside as people with the knowledge that operations like this happen, but lacking the information or experience to accurately identify them, start seeing it everywhere.

If anything this strange mixture of gullibility and hyper-vigilant paranoia is increasingly one of the defining traits of 4chan.

[Anonymous No.18226913]

>>18226252
>literally one twitter community is responsible for all of 4chan culture
I've been here since 2005. Twitter wasn't even a known thing among tech plate until later 2009

[Anonymous No.18226961]

>>18226896
You type like a fucking redditor

[Anonymous No.18226975]

>>18226961
Facebook tier response.

[Anonymous No.18227001]

>>18226451
Nigga what are you smoking. Reddit is terrible but it's objectively much more popular than 4chan, it gets millions of users every day. Unless you're talking about cultural relevance I guess, but the GME stuff is a recent example I can think of Reddit having an impact on the larger world

[Anonymous No.18227012]

>>18226252
hello newfag, my new fren...
spouting bullshit here again...

[Anonymous No.18227016]

There is one big difference between 4chan and all other site: Relative freedom of speech. This is the biggest advantage and disadvantage of this website. No other forum of this size allows you to freely say "Nigger"

[Anonymous No.18227023]

>>18226975
Redditor spot'd and got'd.

[Anonymous No.18227033]

>>18227023
Sneed.

[Anonymous No.18227054]

>>18226333
True words. Although not every board is like that. /g/ for example is the same as it was 10 years ago. But now with newer technology.
Even /lit/ has more shitposting than it had, but still good discussion is present in the board.

[Anonymous No.18227055]

Ive been on 4chan since 2005 or 6 and on a certain germ imageboard since 2011 and started seeing memes leak out into the real world.

[Anonymous No.18227064]

>>18227055
they leaked out since 2012

[Anonymous No.18227085]

>>18227033
Deens

[Anonymous No.18227086]

>>18226079
I miss Papa Franku and Idubbbz

[Anonymous No.18227092]

>>18226961
>>18226975

These two responses exemplify the outdated model based on juxtaposing website identities >>18226896 writes about

[Anonymous No.18227103]

>>18227092
If we take your ideas to their logical conclusion we end up normalizing r*ddit and tw*tter screencap threads. By this alone every assertion you've made and ever will make is not just incorrect but acting directly and intentionally against the betterment of humanity.

[Anonymous No.18227112]

>>18226104
The entire internet is downstream from here.

[Anonymous No.18227122]

>>18227085
Spleen

[Anonymous No.18227132]

>>18226079
>some random flash in the pan
It's just a grooming site for Petersonesque gay men to find malleable youths to turn into girls

[Anonymous No.18227135]

Max and views still do some dumb shit so thats all fine, Franku managed to sell out and make music that he wanted too years and years ago before 4chan forced him into doin wacky wahoo pinksuit man and idubbz became a cuck

[Anonymous No.18227141]

>>18226244
This. 4chan was king 10 years ago, now it is a stale aquarium
>>18226252
Twitter is a toxic circlejerk, it doesn't originate anything. But it is far more influential now

[Anonymous No.18227143]

>>18226287
trust da plan.....

[Anonymous No.18227165]

>>18227122
Peen

[Anonymous No.18227171]

>>18226317
im sure thats what they told you in marketing class boomer

[Anonymous No.18227173]

>>18227143
>>18227165
>>18227171
Americans are waking up

[Anonymous No.18227177]

>>18226079
i think its more culturally significant than it gets credit for and will ever get credit for

[Anonymous No.18227193]

>>18226451
Wrong lol, Reddit still exists and it's much bigger than 4chan, it'll probably outlive it.

[Anonymous No.18227194]

>>18227193
Lol! Updooted!

[Anonymous No.18227208]

you can say nigger here

[Anonymous No.18227212]

>>18227177
this.
if you look at any modern discussion on the internet, chances are you'll see vocabulary or formats that originated on 4chan

[Anonymous No.18227216]

>>18227212
>https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/words-were-watching-zoomer-gen-z
Case in point. They're gonna get the etymology wrong and attribute it to some mostly unrelated prior instances but the usage of the word contemporaneously is 100% derived from 4chan.

[Anonymous No.18227217]

>>18227165
Bro, we are just coping, in reality Sneed beats everything

[Anonymous No.18227265]

>>18227177
>>18227212
true
just look at the vocabulary zoomers on streaming chats use. and the excessive use of pepe.

[Anonymous No.18227375]

>>18226451
You're delusion if you think reddit and twitter are 'challengers' to 4chan. Unless the challenge is not being turned to shit, in which case this site lost 13 fucking years ago

[Anonymous No.18227386]

>>18227375
Good
But faggots like you are still here.

[Anonymous No.18227413]

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