Can YA fiction be considered a serious literature?

[Anonymous No.18219409]

Is reading a hierarchy and YA fiction should be read by teens and progress towards much serious works? The comment seems to have triggered so many left, liberal, LGBT gang on Twitter.

[Anonymous No.18219424]

>>18219409
If that faggot Bakker and considers himself to be the like the great authors of old because his former teacher told him her child likes his children books, then yes, YA is serious literature.

[Anonymous No.18219442]

>>18219424
Bakker obviously isn't YA

[Anonymous No.18219459]

>>18219442
>Bakker obviously isn't YA
Anon, Bakker is YA. Stop being in denial. He even threw an autistic fit when he wasn’t taken seriously by the literary community because a former teacher told him her child buys and reads his book.

[Anonymous No.18219478]

>>18219409
Talking or knowing about Harry Potter is commonplace, and can be fun--sort of like in the way that it's fun to discuss astrology and magic with girls since they like that stuff. It's not a big deal though, and shouldn't be the forefront of every conversation. Just like everyone knows and will talk about their favourite aspects of Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, super heroes, and other such trite; but it shouldn't be taken seriously and isn't high quality.

[Anonymous No.18219504]

>>18219459
> He even threw an autistic fit
No he didn't. I've read the essay and can tell you haven't. You might call it YA but it has no characteristics of YA so it's meaningless.

[Anonymous No.18219687]

>>18219442
No, the teacher only supposed it was a children's book without any knowledge of it, nowhere was any child reading it mentioned
Bakker is not good but he's not YA either; you have a poor memory and are ngmi

[Anonymous No.18219841]

>>18219409
>Can YA fiction be considered a serious literature?
Well, African American literary fiction in the 21st century is 99% period pieces, mostly about slavery. Angie Thomas is a YA writer and she's literally the only person writing fiction about BLM. Yes yes we're not allowed to say positive things about these things, but it's very possible that Angie Thomas could be remembered as the writer that captured a moment in history.

But I would unironically propose The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian as a contender for literary YA.

[Anonymous No.18220251]

why did I bother looking at the replies

[Anonymous No.18220304]

You might as well go be gay if you want to filter out women who read YA and/or chicklit.

When I met my girlfriend, she liked stuff like Jojo Moyes, Marianne Keyes, John green, and of course the Harry Potter books. I introduced her to "gateway" literature like Ishiguro's Never Let Me Go and she slowly over time has taken on more challenging works, mostly 19th century lit and contemporary Japanese stuff.
But she still likes HP and all that stuff. Just now she acknowledges that Rowling is a bad writer in comparison. It doesn't stop her from reading it and enjoying the story.
I think as guys we're prone to put our ego into our activities and worry that reading lowbrow crap makes us lowbrow. Girls just don't care.

[Anonymous No.18220400]

It's very telling that all the love for it comes from a particular crowd. YA fiction is, for the most part, shit-tier propaganda that serves to liberalize the politics of and destroy the sexuality of young women. Shit is just gross and much of it should be burned. And yes Harry Potter is literally for children.

[Anonymous No.18220443]

>>18219409
No. Being "mature" is already perverted by modern Western thinking. You become mature at roughly 12 years old, proof of that is abundant in the fact that adults routinely act like they are dumber and more naive than someone of that age.
If your favorite books are Harry Potter, that will make me think no less of you than if your favorite author is Dumas or Verne. I will however judge you if you stubbornly refuse to expand your horizons, since that shows unhealthy arrogance.

[Anonymous No.18220493]

I can't even get a date

[Anonymous No.18220514]

>>18220251
>these are the "people" plato wanted as co-rulers alongside men in his ideal society

[Anonymous No.18220548]

>>18220251
I think the quotes imply that a vague answer is being given. Maybe I am being to generous with my interpretation of this but could it be that she means that the person doesn’t actually know what they’re talking about and gives a vague answer rather than actually being put off by someone enjoying classic literature?

[Anonymous No.18220551]

>>18220400
Based

[Anonymous No.18220571]

>>18219478
> sort of like in the way that it's fun to discuss astrology and magic with girls since they like that stuff
>it's fun
It's not.

[Anonymous No.18220579]

>>18220514
>he thinks these people would be the rulers in Plato's Republic
Not all that glitters is gold, friend.

[Anonymous No.18220597]

>>18220493

[Anonymous No.18220612]

>>18219409
What the hell even is YA to begin with? Is the only criteria that the main character has to be a young adult? If it is, then yes, why not.
>>18220304
It's not just about ego, some of us want more out of reading a book than entertainment.

[Anonymous No.18220801]

>>18220612
YA is intended for 12-18 years old. The readership is 90% female and 50% adults.

[Anonymous No.18220959]

>>18219409
I only read horror and children's literature. Anything beyond that is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.18220983]

>>18220801
90+50 = 100
go back

[Anonymous No.18221006]

>>18220983

Anon...

[Anonymous No.18221030]

>>18219478
>Just like everyone knows and will talk about their favourite aspects of Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, super heroes, and other such trite; but it shouldn't be taken seriously and isn't high quality.
This is a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.18221064]

>>18219478
>>18221030
It's different because YA contains subversive social narratives and theming. A huge portion of it is about sexual abuse and trauma whole being marketed towards children, this shit goes way beyond mere Harry Potter.

[Anonymous No.18221089]

YA fiction can never be considered "serious literature."

YA fiction by its very definition can never be a challenging read. YA fiction will likely not have influence over other great works, because YA fiction is very "flash in the pan." It has imitators and then it's gone. The readers grew up. Like can you imagine in the year 2100 the greatest author alive says he was inspired by Goosebumps? Any influence Goosbumps ever had ended in the late 90s.

[Anonymous No.18221097]

>>18221089
I don't know why 4chan deleted my image.

[Anonymous No.18221117]

>>18220983
Can confirm, it is impossible to be an adult female

[Anonymous No.18221128]

>>18220983
You doing ok there, retard?

[Anonymous No.18221138]

>>18220612
>What the hell even is YA to begin with? Is the only criteria that the main character has to be a young adult?
It’s mostly in the tone and themes. Besides having young characters, YA tends to have a tone that expresses concern for precisely young adult concerns and the themes, the same. They’re coming of age stories and inject a specifically new concern (for the protagonist) with relationships and self discovery almost universally. These are just tools for talking about books though. They’re not hard and fast rules, even though some people try to make them out to be. If you take a book like Catcher in the Rye, which was originally intended for adults but is now considered young adult, it definitely falls into a grey area between young adult and adult.

[Anonymous No.18221140]

>>18221089
Are Catcher in the Rye or A Separate Peace serious literature?

[Anonymous No.18221154]

>>18221064
Sure, Anon. Everything will be okay.

[Anonymous No.18221155]

>>18219409
Why even bother censoring the names if you aren’t going to do it right. God that fucking annoys me, it’s easier to make a solid rectangle in ms paint than it is to do that scribble shit. Fuck you my day is ruined.

[Anonymous No.18221229]

>>18221097
>respected by experts
Anyone who thinks this has a double digit IQ. Many great works have been rejected by pseud literati.

[Anonymous No.18221283]

>>18219409
i read the very hungry caterpillar almost exclusively, what of it?

[Anonymous No.18221304]

>>18221140
Not him, but yes. Just because a teenager or child is the protagonist, doesn’t make it YA

[Anonymous No.18221361]

>>18221154
>he doesn’t know

>>18221229
At this point or in 10 years, the “experts” will be fat women who grew up reading Harry Potter so *ahem* fuck academia

[Anonymous No.18221376]

>>18221304
They are YA though. I would just argue they fall into a grey area. Problem is people think of these as hard and fast rules when in reality they’re just flexible tools we invented to talk about books.

[Anonymous No.18221381]

>>18221361
Harry Potter is already studied in lit departments in most major American universities.

[Anonymous No.18221391]

>>18221381
That is a travesty. Harold Bloom was our Ron Paul.

[Anonymous No.18221699]

>>18219442
then why are all his fans children?

[Anonymous No.18221721]

>>18219409
The problem is that while fresh YA fiction is churned out every year, no serious works worth reading have been published for at least 50 years

[Anonymous No.18221753]

>>18221376
>They are YA though
no, they aren't
not that anon btw

[Anonymous No.18221759]

>>18219409
Gatekeeping in lititure is stupid. Read whatever you want. Pulp and trashy lit has been around since forever. It's not like these same people who only read pearcy Jackson or the hunger games are suddenly going to start reading Dostoyevsky because jk Rowling ran out of paper.

[Anonymous No.18222269]

>>18220514
>>18220579
I interpreted Republic to be an anti-democracy book.

[Anonymous No.18222283]

>>18219478
These kinds of casual conversations occur because Harry Potter and LOTR are huge film properties. No one is reading these books anymore.

[Anonymous No.18222290]

>>18220304
>Never Let Me Go
>literature
Genre fiction doesn't count.

[Anonymous No.18222297]

>>18221304
Maybe not, but those books are absolutely YA.

[Anonymous No.18222304]

>>18221381
Alongside everything else. The fact a text is studied somewhere by someone hardly matters.

[Anonymous No.18222317]

>>18220251
They're right though.

Books from dead white men have nothing worthwhile to offer to people living in today's society.

Not to mention that their authors were all racist, sexist and homophobic.

Reading them is really cringe.

[Anonymous No.18222387]

>>18219478
A girl once sent me 20 insulting text messages at 3 in the morning because I didn't like Harry Potter. These people are insane.

[Anonymous No.18222395]

>>18222387
Nice fantasy incel.

[Anonymous No.18222401]

>>18221753
Yeah, they’re commonly considered YA.

[Anonymous No.18222411]

>>18222395
It isn't lol. I used to volunteer with her. She was batshit insane. And she did similar stuff to other people. But she thought I was looking down on her because I wouldn't read Harry Potter 3.

[Anonymous No.18222456]

>>18222269
I do as well, but what I mean is that, contrary to the first Anon, I seriously doubt these would be the "philosopher kings" of a truly Platonic Republic. They would not be the "Gold people" he refers to, and are indeed of a more base metal. Hence, not all that glitters is gold

[Anonymous No.18224071]

>>18220983
>recognising that all women are children
Based

[Anonymous No.18224099]

Honestly this "YA is for children only" mindset is a unique western thing. In Japan it's completely normal for adults with jobs to consume anime. Stuff like Sword Art Online have transcended the boundary between stuff for children/stuff for adults. It's about the shared condition of the human experience.

[Anonymous No.18224199]

>>18220304
>Ishiguro's
Lol

[Anonymous No.18224239]

>>18219841
that book is a step above other ya (part time Indian) but I wouldn't consider it literature. it has deeper aspects to it though

[Anonymous No.18224269]

>>18224099
That's because of the weird nature of Japanese culture, not because LNs are actually good. Honestly having read a decent amount of both Western YA often feels more mature than Japanese stuff

[Anonymous No.18224270]

>>18220612
the issue is singularly that ya is not entertaining

[Anonymous No.18224298]

>>18224099
its also normal for adults to read ya in America. hence this entire thread discussing the matter

[Anonymous No.18224410]

>>18219424
Not content with shitting up two threads?

[Anonymous No.18224432]

>>18221699
Because he writes children books.

[Anonymous No.18224433]

>>18221097
>got one and a half right
close enough

[Anonymous No.18224577]

>>18224099
>In Japan it's completely normal....
No, fuck off weeb, I don't care about how much worse japan is than the west, don't fuel my hate towards your kind by shitting up /lit/ threads.

[Anonymous No.18224588]

>>18221283
Chad moment

[Anonymous No.18224813]

Is All the Pretty Horses YA?