Dostoevsky

[Anonymous No.18205715]

Reactionary pseud or philisophical genius? About to read Demons but apparently it's a polemic against radicals and socialists; Lenin apparently called it "reactionary filth." Not sure if I want to read it being Leftist myself, but should I still give it a go?

[Anonymous No.18205718]

>>18205715
>reactionary
Commie buzzword. It basically translates to "person who disagrees with me."

[Anonymous No.18205721]

>>18205718
read a book before posting on /lit/

[Anonymous No.18205722]

>>18205715
Filtered for even CONSIDERING that Dosto is not a genius. Kys asap

[Anonymous No.18205725]

>>18205715
>politicizing novels
Kys

[Anonymous No.18205734]

>>18205715
>Leftist
Dont read it. Also kys

[Anonymous No.18205738]

>>18205721
It's true. Most of the time the person doesn't qualify as a reactionary but it's commie insistence.

[Anonymous No.18205749]

I now remember why I stopped posting on /lit/...too many /pol/tards who have never read a book in their lives.

[Anonymous No.18205756]

>>18205715
at the time it was genius yes but had this book come out now he would have rightfully been called a reactionary pseud. dosto’s work is extraordinary when you consider the time it was written but if you don’t it’s extremely basic reactionary philosophy

[Anonymous No.18205763]

>>18205756
Op is samefagging

[Anonymous No.18205774]

>>18205749
>won't read book because it's "reactionary"
>the people who disagree must be against book reading

[Anonymous No.18205784]

>>18205763
>multiple people can’t have different opinions than me it just can’t be true!
cope faggot go circlejerk somewhere else

[Anonymous No.18205794]

>>18205722
>>18205725
Thirded

[Anonymous No.18205797]

>>18205784
Two retards in the same thread is statistically improbable.

[Anonymous No.18205824]

>>18205797
again, I’m sure there’s some other place where you midwits can blow each other over the most basic reactionary takes and treat them like a prophet spoke them

[Anonymous No.18205833]

>>18205824
>reactionary

[Anonymous No.18205928]

>>18205715
Have sex, chud.

[Anonymous No.18206058]

>>18205715
you should kill yourself, retard

[Anonymous No.18206105]

>>18205725
>politicizing novels
Dostoyevsky would never dream of such a thing!

[Anonymous No.18206162]

I’ve read notes, C&P and currently reading TBK. He’s definitely a genius.

[Anonymous No.18206311]

>>18205715
Kys, fren.

[Anonymous No.18206314]

>>18205725
>>politicizing novels
>he said, in a Dostoyevsky thread
yes, you retard

>>18205715
>Reactionary pseud or philisophical genius?
Neither.
>Lenin apparently called it "reactionary filth."
If you care about the opinions of a politician from a century ago this much, maybe you indeed shouldn't bother with Dosto or with literature in general.

[Anonymous No.18206319]

i like him

[Anonymous No.18206323]

>>18206314
>Neither.
what is he then

[Anonymous No.18206330]

>>18206323
Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky[a] (/ˌdɒstəˈjɛfski, ˌdʌs-/;[1] Russian: Фёдop Mихaйлoвич Дocтoeвcкий[b], tr. Fyódor Mikháylovich Dostoyévskiy, IPA: [ˈfʲɵdər mʲJˈxajləvʲJdʑ dəstɐˈjɛfskʲJj]; 11 November 1821 – 9 February 1881[2][c]), sometimes transliterated as Dostoyevsky, was a Russian novelist, philosopher, short story writer, essayist, and journalist.

[Anonymous No.18206336]

just read it retard, its a great book

[Anonymous No.18206346]

>>18205715
join Lenin faggot

[Anonymous No.18206361]

>>18206330
thanks

[Anonymous No.18206378]

>>18205715
Claiming one of the greatest writers to have ever lived is a pseud.
Go back to facebook. Even reddit is too high of a bar for you

[Anonymous No.18206387]

>>18206314
>thinks being an old politician is what discredits Lenin

[Anonymous No.18206390]

>>18205715
Every leftist has an obligation to read Demons and weigh their convictions against it.

[Anonymous No.18206397]

>>18206390
It's not as great a novel as the C&P, Idiot, Karamazov but its moral and political vision makes it one of the most prescient and disturbing artifacts of the century before last.

[Anonymous No.18206403]

>>18206387
I don't care about the aesthetic stances of any polit*cian, sorry bby.

[Anonymous No.18206517]

>>18205715
Probably the greatest writer ever. Drop your judgements before reading and I promise your life will be transformed for the better.

[Anonymous No.18206563]

>>18205715
If you read the story, you would know that for Dosto, being too excitedly grateful is a reactionary act.

[Anonymous No.18206804]

He’s smart. I think he had some good ideas that were perfected by Jordan Peterson who is definitely a genius

[Anonymous No.18206825]

>>18205715
Read him, realize how retarded you look in the eyes of intelligent people and change your ways

[Anonymous No.18206930]

>>18205833
do you know what that word means? or do you think it’s an insult? you’re going to tell me that the same author that constantly denounces revolutions is not reactionary? God you’re fucking retarded you’re not helping your case at all

[Anonymous No.18206979]

>>18206930
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[Anonymous No.18206988]

>>18205715
>>18205718
>>18206314
Wasn't Shatov, the voice of Christianity, a cuck, and Stepan Trifimovich a blubbering mess? Meanwhile, Stavrogin, Pyotr and Kirillov are cool and brooding, rational, philosophical but also action oriented characters. It seems that Demons glorify leftism more than anything else.

[Anonymous No.18207000]

>>18205725
based

[Anonymous No.18207008]

>>18205774
you haven't read the book retard. doesto is reacting to your hideous small dick

[Anonymous No.18207023]

>>18206314
>If you care about the opinions of a politician from a century ago
Well, that's not a random cuck from the Weimar's age, that's Lenin. You know, one of the heads of the soviet revolution?

[Anonymous No.18207111]

>>18205715
>Lenin apparently called it "reactionary filth."
A person known for the killing 2 million people in the Red Terror and 10 million more due to famine, epidemics and general collapse of society due to Red terrorists spree, DISLIKED a novel that psychologically evaluates and dissects the minds of socially deject wannabe mass murderers half a step from blowing themselves up with random people due to endless amount or resentment stored.
Who would have thought!

[Anonymous No.18207294]

>>18207111
He never killed a single person
Cope, lib

[Anonymous No.18207315]

>>18205715
>Not sure if I want to read it being Leftist myself, but should I still give it a go?
No, stop reading, go back to plebbit, stay in your lefty bubble, jerk yourself to death and drown your sorrow in cheap weed.

[Anonymous No.18207320]

>>18205749
Just fuck off too plebbit, I dont want to convince you of anything, if you are scared to read Dosto because Lenin says he is bad, you are a fundamentalist nutjob and you dont belong in polite society.

[Anonymous No.18207322]

>>18205928
How many times did you jerk it to porn today? 2.. 3 times?

[Anonymous No.18207326]

>>18207023
>Lenin. You know, one of the heads of the soviet revolution?
Who the fuck cares about the opinions of some centuries old dictator.

[Anonymous No.18207338]

I'm not sure that's a fair description of the novel
That's what the Bolsheviks thought of it because there's a character thats eerily similar to Lenin in it
But
Pretty much all the "socialist" stand ins are very intelligent, slick and for the lack of a better word, cool
The characters who might be to said express Dostoevsky's own views from the time are all bumbling idiots and die miserable
Frankly, it reminded of a twisted version of Dosto's surely favourite novel, Fathers and Sons more than anything else

[Anonymous No.18207371]

>>18206930
People that take issue with reactionary are doing it because it is a leftist-defined word that has no positive description to it.
It essentially means “against leftism”, and is only used as a shallow way to ward against independent thought.
See OP, he literally is afraid to read it because of it’s supposed “reactionary” connotations.

[Anonymous No.18207417]

Dostoevsky's conservatism is far from what you would call modern conservatism. All of the liberals/nihilists in his books fight for privatization of property. They are against technocratic power (which both the Tsar and Communism were). What Dostoevsky predicted is that they will kill the encompassing Russian spirit and allow for misguided forces to shake Russia, which they did as history shows us. Demons has a genius chapter that talks about how most nihilists are just useful idiots for power-hungry sociopaths.

[Anonymous No.18207658]

He was genius figuring things about human psyche, but when it came to solutions not so smart at all.
Even I as an social conservative found his characterization of the radials and atheists as ludicrously comical. His biggest flaw here was to equate the subconscious need of progressive mind to tear down prevailing institutions and its consequences with cognitive aim of doing so.

>Reactionary
You keep using that word like it means anything than "poopypants that I don't like", Okay you are a leftist why should you read at all? Just get your opinions from the experts; like Lenin.

[Anonymous No.18207661]

>>18205715
>Reactionary pseud or philisophical genius? About to read Demons but apparently it's a polemic against radicals and socialists; Lenin apparently called it "reactionary filth." Not sure if I want to read it being Leftist myself, but should I still give it a go?

[Anonymous No.18207666]

>>18206988
why don't you find out by actually reading the book

[Anonymous No.18207675]

>>18207023
a man who achieved nothing of importance. Nothing he did lasted a century

[Anonymous No.18207686]

>>18207658
>Okay you are a leftist why should you read at all? Just get your opinions from the experts; like Lenin.
This is actually a valid argument, if your aim at life is to mindlessly follow a dogma, why bother reading?

This should be the main rebuttle, why bother reading when you are a leftist, when all that literature will only challenge or refute your worldview.

[Anonymous No.18207720]

>>18206988
>I come to /lit/ to do others homework
They are all liberal. Stephan presents just the previous generations which "left out the demons" that went to the later. While Shatov presents the "westernized" slavophiles.

[Anonymous No.18207725]

>>18207686
>This is actually a valid argument, if your aim at life is to mindlessly follow a dogma, why bother reading?

broke
>widely read
>challenges his own beliefs
>not sure what the truth is

woke
>blindly follows dogma
>belligerently enforces it on others
>illiterate

[Anonymous No.18208754]

>>18206979
>gets mad when someone has an opinion which deviates from the norm
>gets angry at words he doesn’t even understand
>uses stale memes
>y-you’re the NPC!!
>>18207371
>it essentially means “against leftism”
if it’s used in a vague and liberal way yes, but what I mean by reactionary is truly reactionary; such as opposing a democracy or republic in favor of a monarchy. if OP is actually afraid to read something that he doesn’t agree with then that’s gay but I wouldn’t blame him for skipping dosto for other reasons

[Anonymous No.18208828]

>>18205715
Novelist

[Anonymous No.18209224]

>>18207675
Maybe we should be watching the ones speaking like him so the murderous rampages doesn't happen again, then

[Anonymous No.18209439]

He is a reactionary genius(as most reactionaries tend to be)

[Anonymous No.18209525]

>>18209224
too late. the anglo is just one step away from them at this point

[Anonymous No.18210510]

>>18205715
Here's a though, why don't you just fucking read the damn novel and make your own damn mind about it and Dostoevsky in general?

[Anonymous No.18210515]

>>18206323
A genius novelist.

[Anonymous No.18210519]

>>18210510
Based

[Anonymous No.18210539]

>>18206346
john lenin?

[Anonymous No.18211361]

>>18205715
>Hasn’t read it
>leftist

Many such cases!

[Anonymous No.18211395]

>>18205715
Like every common rushian who lived under commies, they despise commies.

[Anonymous No.18211434]

>>18205715
Don't read it bro, it'll turn ya into a confederate. You shouldn't read at all btw considering you already have your solid as a rock world view...