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Will this make me... you know.

>> No.18205112

>>18205095
A pseud? I'm afraid so.

>> No.18205114

>>18205095
Have a boner? Yeah, probably. I'm not even into nymphets or whatever but he writes erotica like a true pervert. That apple passage, man.

>> No.18205116

>>18205095
Yes it will make you a post-structuralist.

None of the content is relevant, it is all stylistics.

>> No.18205121

>>18205095
Any body with brain know it against pedos and the narrator is unstable liar.

>> No.18205150

>>18205095
Is it worth a read? I want to but considering what i've heard of it sounds like a novel that should have been a short story.

>> No.18205163

>>18205150
That would be valid criticism if it was written by any other author, Nabokov's prose makes it worth the read for sure

>> No.18205164

>>18205150
No, it needs to be the novella length it is because Humbert progressively traps the reader in his narrational voice.

>"Look I was innocent and a child when I first raped a child."
>"I didn't rape her, her mother and she made me rape her."
>"I didn't take her on a forced rape holiday trip and then raped her while deadly ill in hospital, Quilty stole my property."

Also if it wasn't as long, Humbert couldn't subtly suggest that the whole town was raping lolita before him, while pretending to be oblivious ("Quilty's cousin the dentist filled her cavities, camp climax.").

Basically, if you have any sympathy for Humbert, he won.

If you don't get the game Nabokov is playing with you, he won.

Also its stylistically perfect.

>> No.18205171

>>18205150
Second part drags a lot because muh motels muh landscape but other than that it is a good read.

>> No.18205177

>>18205171
That's the third part. You forget "French on the Beach."

>> No.18205397

>>18205164
>Also it's stylistically perfect.

This. Regardless of what you think of the story Lolita is what every writer should aspire to prose-wise.

>> No.18205405

>>18205397
Nah, the prose is too purple and latinate.

>> No.18205414

>>18205405
You do realise that Humbert literally claims to be a French academic litcrit teacher in a bumfuck regional college?

>> No.18205418

I read this when I was 14, even brought it to school with me. Don't remember much

>> No.18205422

>>18205414
I don't care. It's the same shit in every book.

>> No.18205456

>>18205422
Fuck off Hungry Hungry Caterpillar spammer.

>> No.18205475

>>18205418
Are you for real?
I envy you. I was illiterate until i was 15 and a blind man taught me how to read.

>> No.18205477

>>18205095
literally just celine if he was a pedophile

>> No.18205507

>>18205475
Somehow back then, I was a prolific reader and immensely enjoyed books more than I do now (it was easy with pre-smartphone attention span), even though my comprehension is much better now, I don't get lost in books the way I used to then

>> No.18206655

So, was he a pervert?

>> No.18207291

>>18205095
Extremely bored. Yes.

>> No.18207303

>>18205150
the whole book is a literary flex

>> No.18207492

>>18205507
Same, I want to go back

>> No.18207829

>>18205150
Yes, it is a wild ride. Although it deflates a little at the end. Not sure why it was necessary but I guess there had to be some reason why he is murderer.

>> No.18207927

>>18207829
>A man who has no respect for other humans autonomy
>To the point where his narrative voice pretending to be authorial voice obliterates their autonomy
>Just as Nabokov obliterates Humbert

Yeah, nah, no reason for murder there.

It isn't like bourgeois literature is sociopathic.

>> No.18208026

>>18205414
So he is a standard Nabokov narrator and criticism shield?

>> No.18208048

>>18207829
The murder was my favorite section from the book. It was just so wonderfully bizarre, both in the events themselves and in the detached manner by which Nabokov has Humbert relate them. It struck me as one of the most compellingly rendered murder scenes in literature, both in craftsmanship and verisimilitude. I don't mean the latter in terms of Humbert's accounts, which are related in the way that Humbert has, but rather in the events that the reader can see between the lines of it.

Also, it is very convenient for Nabokov in a meta sense. He definitely foresaw people saying that only a pedophile could write about pedophilia with so much nuance. The murder's inclusion could be seen as cynically heading that criticism off, in that the above accusation's logic can be easily demonstrated to be false from the same text. If only a pedophile can write pedophilia convincingly, then only a murderer can do the same for murder. Nabokov may or may not have been a pedophile—I have no evidence for either conclusion. The book itself demonstrates that it cannot be used to draw extensions to the author. The murder proves that.

>> No.18208058

It helped me to become a complete degenerate at early age. I read it when i was 9 while doing a school trip. Months later my cousin was born and when she was 3 years old i've fallen in love with her.
Now i'm Christian and hate this book, Nabukov was demon possessed.

>> No.18208130

>>18207927
>bourgeois literature
Utterly retarded term, especially when applied to Nabokov, who wasn't bougie ever since his family had to flee from the commies.
He was poor up until Lolita's success, his previous works were financial failures.

>> No.18208153

>>18208130
If whiteness isn't tied to skin color then bourgeoisie isn't tied to economics. I'm not saying I agree with that line of thinking, but it reeks of intersectionality.

>> No.18208173

>>18208153
>whiteness isn't tied to skin color
I'm done.
Westerners are insane.

>> No.18208185

>>18208173
Like I said, I don't endorse it. But it that drivel about bourgeois literature does remind me of a pattern.

>> No.18208303

>>18205150
Funny you say that. The original Lolita WAS a short story. Then Nabokov realized it was trash and shelved it before returning a few years later to tackle the idea a second time but in novel form.

>> No.18208597

>>18205121
>>18205164
yes the point of the novel is bad man is lying. because nabakov loves moral judgements and hates ambiguity and at no point in the novel does humbert express great lament and regret and shows any kind of self awareness of his uncontrollable frenzy whatsoever.
>>18205405
its fun and wild. not cliched either. never self serious in a way that drowns you. definitely not what every writer should aspire to write though
>>18208048
>Also, it is very convenient for Nabokov in a meta sense
i think theres more meta relevance to the murder. in a way, nabokov is quilty. theyre both writers that write the fate of humbert. humbert is trapped in a cage created by nabokov (similar to lolita being trapped by humbert or her mom, or humbert again being trapped with charlotte) because he has written his fate and his desires. nab talked about being inspired by a gorilla that drew its cage for lolita, so freedom is a central theme imo. a man who has spent his life capturing and letting go of butterflies must have thought much about freedom. nabokovs characters escaping nabokov can also be seen in pnin. litteraly what happens in the end.
>>18207492
>>18205507
today is the day you go back. start small. read 10 pages

>> No.18208649

>>18205477
kek

>> No.18208731

>>18205095
A pentapod monster? Maybe so.

>> No.18208899

>>18208130
>not a bourgeoisie
>had to flee from the commies.

Are you sure about that?

>> No.18209085

>>18208899
>unable to read the sentence till the end
based retard

>> No.18209886

>>18205095
Based? Yes it will.

>> No.18209903

>>18209886
I'll scream and rave as much as I want. He and his family are genuinely obnoxious, rude amd grotesque individuals and I do not want to end up like them. He can't even get his own step-children to talk to him and he comes here and harasses me. A whole carnival show family of losers.

>> No.18209908

>>18209903
meds, now