/wsffg/ Western Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.18200057]

Sword and Sorcery Edition
Previous Thread: >>18186898

Thread rules:
>No anime
>No manga/comic books
>Only books by western and European authors

>Collected recommendations from previous threads
Pastebin under construction

>Archive
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=wsffg

>Trying to access a book that is not easily available? Try these
>>>/t/1023504 #
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>Sword and Sorcery (S&S) is a subgenre of fantasy generally characterizedby swashbuckling heroes engaged in exciting and violent conflicts. An element of romance is often present, as is an element of magic and the supernatural. Tales focus mainly on personal battles rather than world-endangering matters.

Examples and recommendations of S&S genre:
>Clark Ashton Smith, Hyperborean and Zothique
>C.L. Moore, Jirel of Joiry
>Michael Moorcock, Elric
>L. Sprague de Camp, Swords and Sorcery
>Karl Edward Wagner, Kane
>Robert E. Howard, Conan the Cimmerian
>Fritz Leiber, Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
>Joe Abercrombie, The Blade Itself
>David Gemmell, Legend
>Andrzej Sapkowski, The Witcher
>Charles R. Saunders, Imaro

[Anonymous No.18200087]

is this the /pol/ cuckshed?

[Anonymous No.18200130]

>>18200087
No, this is the /wsffg/ OP

[Anonymous No.18200182]

The Worm Ouroboros or The King of Elfland's Daughter?

[Anonymous No.18200201]

>>18200182
Definitely both have something in common to S&S. I'll add these to the pasta under construction.

The King of Elfland's Daughter by Lord Dunsany is highly recommended.

[Anonymous No.18200202]

>>18200182
Elfland first imo

[Anonymous No.18200204]

>>18200201
>>18200202
ok cool

[Anonymous No.18200374]

Any stories based where a character exists in a cell or atoms. Know it sounds weird but trying to conceptualize what those conditions would be like.

[Anonymous No.18200387]

>>18200374
All I can think of is Ant-man but thats Marvel comics.

[Anonymous No.18200394]

>>18200201
Is that the Jiünati Steppe battle?

[Anonymous No.18200398]

>>18200387
Same, the scene was decent

[Anonymous No.18200413]

>>18200394
I think its the battle between Ikurei Conphas and the Scylvendi in the first book.

[Anonymous No.18200417]

>>18200130
sounds like the /pol/ cuckshed. the W is a new addition.

[Anonymous No.18200430]

Is RS Bakker/the Prince of Nothing trilogy just a meme on here, or is it actually good, and people's legit favorite series?

[Anonymous No.18200456]

>>18200430
A while ago there was a poll
https://www.strawpoll.me/42645655/r
Basically Bakker is the favorite author of 30 % of those that frequent SFF threads.
While there are a lot of memes about the books and characters themselves, the books are actually very interesting and captivating. Bakker's prose is good, worldbuilding is very deep.

[Anonymous No.18200462]

>>18200413
That's what I ment. Based scene not how I pictured imperial units tho

[Anonymous No.18200474]

>Malazan: Gardens of The Moon Review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA7iTWmsifs

[Anonymous No.18200475]

I am still working on the pastebin. Meanwhile here is a list of 27 most recommended authors or books in /wsffg/ threads:
>Book of the New Sun, Gene Wolfe
>The Second Apocalypse, R. Scott Bakker
>Dune, Frank Herbert
>Malazan Book of the Fallen, Steven Erikson
>J.R.R. Tolkien
>The Black Company, Glen Cook
>Dying Earth, Jack Vance
>The First Law, Joe Abercrombie
>The Gods Themselves Isaac Asimov
>The Kingkiller Chronicles, Patrick Rothfuss
>Elric, Michael Moorcock
>Zothique, Clark Ashton Smith
>Legend, David Gemmell
>The Witcher, Andrzej Sapkowski
>The Belgradiad, David Eddings
>The Dying of the Light, George R.R. Martin
>Conan the Cimmerian, Robert E. Howard
>H.P. Lovecraft
>The Wheel of Time, Robert Jordan
>The Left Hand of Darkness, Ursula K. Le Guin
>The Night Land, William Hope Hodgson
>Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, Fritz Leiber
>Gentlemen Bastard, Scott Lynch
>The Dresden Files, Jim Butcher
>The Chronicles of Amber, Roger Zelazny

[Anonymous No.18200482]

>>18200462
Imperial? Isnt that battle where Ikueri beat the Scylvendi with sorcerers. The mongol looking warriors in the picture are scylvendi

[Anonymous No.18200496]

>>18200456
Thank you, I'll take the thread's word on it. Gonna pick up The Darkness That Comes Before in the next day or two.

He seems pretty bad with nomenclature, and that bugs me, but basically every fantasy writer who isn't Tolkien has bad character/place names.

[Anonymous No.18200509]

>>18200474
All the popular booktubers only review shitty books
The one that review good books are cringe with couple hundred views.

[Anonymous No.18200545]

[Anonymous No.18200615]

[Anonymous No.18200679]

[Anonymous No.18200703]

[Anonymous No.18200721]

>>18200703
>>18200615
What a mess. I'm never reading these.

[Anonymous No.18200760]

>>18200721
Based linear chad

[Anonymous No.18200771]

give me one reason why I should read something like dune instead of real life historical events like the napoleonic wars?

[Anonymous No.18200780]

Give me a badass book that isn't too grim, that takes place in a warm location and is full of high adventure, cameradie and humour.

Cheers.

[Anonymous No.18200784]

>>18200780
*camaraderie

[Anonymous No.18200789]

>>18200771
Do what you want.

[Anonymous No.18200803]

>>18200780
the lies of locke lamorra by scott lynch

[Anonymous No.18200819]

>>18200417
Ha ha, funny post, very amusing, quite risible. Now, on your way.

[Anonymous No.18200867]

>>18200780
unironically read the OP

[Anonymous No.18200942]

>>18200780
Tarnsman of Gor
The Kingkiller Chronicles
Conan the Cimmerian

[Anonymous No.18201008]

>>18200182
Both are bad but Dunsany is less bad. TWO is high fantasy so don't go expecting weird fiction.

[Anonymous No.18201190]

[Anonymous No.18201255]

>No anime
>anime OP
Now that's what I call based.

[Anonymous No.18201340]

>>18201190
shitty list

[Anonymous No.18201348]

>>18201340
well fantasy is a shitty genre

[Anonymous No.18201401]

>>18201348
That's mostly because 99,9% of all fantasy authors have shitty creativity.

[Anonymous No.18201447]

>>18200771
Escapism, that's why genre fiction exists

[Anonymous No.18201723]

>>18201447
monkaGiga

[Anonymous No.18201968]

Hello, OP here.

Apparently these threads won’t stay alive on their own and I don’t feel like forcing them to stay up. If this thread dies before bump limit like the previous one I’ll just admit it was not going to work. I’ll probably stop posting and lurking as /sffg/ has become a den of /a/, /co/, /vt/ and other things related to them.

I’m thankful I can still browse threads that happened before March 2021. I just do not have the time to stay vigilant as I have other things to do, you know.. like reading which isn’t done so much anymore in /lit/

[Anonymous No.18201997]

>>18201968
cringe

[Anonymous No.18202003]

>>18201968
I doubt that any of the /lit/ generals survive without being necrobumped, which seems to be a speciality of the Hololive spammer whether he's on /lit/ or /tg/.

[Anonymous No.18202017]

>>18200482
Battle of Kiyuth, Nansur Imperial Columnaries under Ikurei Conphas vs. the assembled Scylvendi horde. Location: Jiünati Steppe. Pretty straightforward desu.

[Anonymous No.18202076]

>>18202003
you mean /wg/ not /tg/ ?

[Anonymous No.18202118]

>>18202076
I'm not one to talk about faggots but there are identical posts on /tg/ that use the same images and filenames. As usual moderation is powerless against concentrated autism

[Anonymous No.18202139]

>>18202118
Are you saying this one person is watching hololive all the time and keeping tabs on his precious threads?

[Anonymous No.18202158]

>>18200057
Poul Anderson, The Broken Sword & The High Crusade

[Anonymous No.18202174]

>>18202139
So it would seem. Autism is as autism does.

[Anonymous No.18202192]

>>18202174
What is the objective of this autism?

[Anonymous No.18202243]

>>18200475
Wheel of Time is anime-tier shit and should be removed.

[Anonymous No.18202244]

>>18200057
Is the book in OP good?
Apparently it's erotica but Conan?

[Anonymous No.18202348]

>>18202244
I guess its a lot like Conan where the character finds himself in a universe or another planet where the society is super sexist.

[Anonymous No.18202356]

I haven't been reading much this last decade; mostly picking up some books here or there which look interesting, so I'm a bit out of the loop. Don't much like the shallow D&D-esque works which don't reflect the actual history or folk-tales and mythology that much of D&D is cut and glued together from (and their SF equivalents).

Are there any good stand-alone books or series released (fantasy or science fiction) released in the last 15 years that includes topics such as philosophical concepts, diplomacy, politics or actual distinct separate cultures interacting, that tells the story in a mature and semi-competent way, that you guys would recommend?

I'm thinking of works like Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City, The Two of Swords, Prince of Nothing / Aspect Emperor, ASoIaF (to a certain extent), Hyperion Cantos, Malazan (though is a bit too much D&D for my tastes)

The charts, etc, seem mainly to be older works or books being memed in the general thread at the moment.

[Anonymous No.18202360]

>>18200475
>>18202243
Maybe just add a (YA) disclaimer after it?

[Anonymous No.18202364]

>>18202360
Same for Sanderson ( oh no he isnt actually recommended top lel )

[Anonymous No.18202385]

>>18201968
It doesn't really matter if they organically die. Let them. All that matters is the quality of the discussion. I’d rather the thread die at 180 replies and get remade than it be bumped by inane questions or 1 sentence posts.

[Anonymous No.18202419]

>>18202385
You might have motivated me a little there. We shall see. I hope there are more people who want a more pure SFF general.

[Anonymous No.18202476]

>>18200374

Pic is kinda related. Despite the name, it's a hard SF novella about what kind of intelligent life could evolve on a neutron star. Extremely physics heavy. Laws of molecular motion and nuclear physics play a big role in the story.

[Anonymous No.18202544]

Walking the stacks of my local library I stumbled upon this 900 page double columned behemoth 'Big Book of Modern Fantasy' short stories. It would take me months to get through it and this is what I'm reading on the side for fun so, any recommendations on 'must reads'? I'm sure many stories will be unfamiliar but maybe some authors jump out at you. A lot of the post 90s stories are being published in English for the first time which is cool. Library also had the companion volume of pre 1950s classic fantasy

[Anonymous No.18202562]

>>18200771

Dune has a neat idea -- what if we stopped using computers as an ideological choice -- and explores how that would pan out if over thousands of years we trained humans to take their place. But to get a human brain to the point of say piloting a spaceship on its own requires mind altering substances, the most powerful of which is only naturely produced on a single planet. So you have the same power politics of today around oil and ecology, but in a made up setting.

You can read SF&F to explore ideas about about real world but at a level of abstraction from reality. And also fun escapism with giant sandworms.

[Anonymous No.18202563]

>>18202544
Looking at the authors I would probably read
>Mikhail Bulgakov (writer of Master and Margarita)
>Tove Jansson (creator of Moomins)
>Stephen King
>Ursula K. Le Guin
>Fritz Leiber
>George R.R. Martin
>Michael Moorcock
>Terry Pratchett
>Jack Vance

[Anonymous No.18202734]

>>18200771
https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/essay-archive/the-future-of-literature-in-the-age-of-information/
>This means all the old and largely unfounded prejudices against genre fiction must be set aside. Genre only seems antithetical to ‘literature’ because the literary have turned it into a flattering foil, abandoned it, in effect, leaving a rhetorical fog of self-congratulation in their wake. In my own case, I chose epic fantasy because I knew the best way to provoke readers with a narrative meditation on the nature and consequences of belief was to reach actual believers. And provoke I did. Other writers, like China Mieville, M. John Harrison, Gene Wolfe, John Crowley, to name just a few, are doing the same thing, producing work that is obviously literary, openly provocative, yet unheard of in literary circles for the simple sin of wearing wrong generic skin. These are the writers who are genuinely shaking things up, as opposed to hawking intellectual and aesthetic buzzes inside the literary echo chamber.

[Anonymous No.18202748]

>>18202734
>Other writers, like China Mieville, M. John Harrison, Gene Wolfe, John Crowley, to name just a few, are doing the same thing, producing work that is obviously literary, openly provocative, yet unheard of in literary circles
Not sure how 'unheard of' they really are. Harold Bloom praised John Crowley several times, and I feel like Gene Wolfe is constantly named as one of the great American authors of the past couple of decades.
But maybe my perception is skewed because I don't read the New York Times

[Anonymous No.18202767]

>>18202748
There is still a genuine bias against this kind of writing amongst the coastal literati, but it is fading.

[Anonymous No.18202795]

>>18202767
The bias isn't fading, the coastal literati is, literature is dying, genre fiction is just dying at a slower pace.

[Anonymous No.18202822]

>>18200211
>Is Romance-SFF good or at the very least passable?
I'd say Throne of Glass is passable. I'll probably listen to book 2 but I'm not the target audience. It has under 700k reviews on Goodreads so it definitely has a lot of appeal.
I'm guessing your niece might like it? Depending on her age, if she is a reader, and my not knowing what she's already read. I have recommendations if you give me more info.

[Anonymous No.18202908]

I try to read The Black Company. After 1/4 I still don't know what's happening. It's too chaotic. I'm thinking about dnf. What to read instead?

[Anonymous No.18203008]

>>18200430
It ruined modern fantasy for me. I read Dune after, and some Wolfe and Vance. Le Guin also felt pretty good after Bakker, but Bakker puts a filter on you that doesnt let inane bullshit capture you any more.

[Anonymous No.18203021]

>>18202544
If I were reading it I'd start with Borges, Jackson, Nabakov, Harrison.
Then Link, Bender, Lee, King, Ballard, Carter, Lafferty, etc.

[Anonymous No.18203029]

>>18200057
thoughts on Black Leopard, Red Wolf by the Black author Marlon James?

[Anonymous No.18203101]

>>18203029
see
>>18200057
>Only books by western and European authors

[Anonymous No.18203113]

>>18203101
He's from Jamaica, which is a Western nation and he wrote in English, which is a European language.

[Anonymous No.18203123]

>>18203113
lol

[Anonymous No.18203125]

>>18203123
cope

[Anonymous No.18203176]

>>18203029
Wasnt this the book where male protagonist gets gangraped by a pack of hyenas?

[Anonymous No.18203272]

>>18203029
how do you manage to get a low rating on goodreads as a black fantasy author?

[Anonymous No.18203366]

>>18203101
>Only books by western and European authors
Yes, Marlon James is a western author. What's your point?

[Anonymous No.18203394]

>>18202767
Given the state of modern genre stuff, that bias is only going to become larger. Though of course nobody outside of literary fiction circles is going to care.

[Anonymous No.18203413]

>>18200057
I like this.

[Anonymous No.18203632]

>>18203413
STALKER game is based on this book right?

[Anonymous No.18203686]

>>18203632
>game
the film lol you pleb

[Anonymous No.18203755]

>>18203413
Russians are not Western

[Anonymous No.18203796]

>>18203755
read OP, rules are western OR European

[Anonymous No.18204051]

>>18202476
Interesting

[Anonymous No.18204628]

>>18203272
Read the reviews
Those women can't handle the prose nor the graphic and sexual scenes

[Anonymous No.18204642]

>>18203755
Don't be a faggot
Russians literature are considered western especially in contract to weeb shit that's being posted in the general
As is >>18203029

[Anonymous No.18204694]

>>18200475
You should probably format the list as "
Author 1 - series/book 1
series/book 2
Author 2 - series/book 1"
Since certain authors have released multiple great books, such as GRRM, Jack Vance, Gene Wolfe, etc

[Anonymous No.18204811]

The last 2 malazan books have been painful
I legitimately don't care for most of the povs, the pacing been abysmal and certain deaths didn't even shock me
Erickson constant attempts to force you to like Travore has been cringey af. I never cared for her and nor will. The retarded obedience towards her since book 6 has been annoying as well.

The Cripple God got so drab and slow that I managed to reread ASOIAF. God it's so jarring how good GRRM is to Erickson. Not sure if I'll finish it anytime soon since I might just read another series before getting back into it.
Yes Martin's world isn't as autistically well thought out as Erickson's but the characters and plotlines are significantly more enjoyable, even the shittier POVs like Sansa's.
God I wish the fat fuck releases TWOW this year.

[Anonymous No.18205208]

>>18200475
I'm glad Roger Z made the cut. He's classic.

[Anonymous No.18205273]

>>18202356
I liked the Monarchies of God series very much

[Anonymous No.18205415]

>>18202356
You'd probably like Prince of nothing and ASOIAF
Malazan is pretty hard to get into and requires at least 3 books to know whether you'd enjoy it or not.
If you don't mind scifi/scifantasy you should read Book of the New Sun
The Hyperion series has a mixed reputation, book 1 is apparently like the canterbury tales. I personally found the first few lines very off putting due to naming of certain objects. Using names such as Templars and Yggdrasil seemed stupid.

[Anonymous No.18205439]

>>18205415
>If you don't mind scifi/scifantasy
I skimmed like a retard

Yes BOTNS gets pushed as a meme somewhat but it's due to the series being good, masterfully crafted and thought provoking

[Anonymous No.18205447]

>>18200057
looking for fantasy books with strong themes of pic related

[Anonymous No.18205464]

>>18200721
>publication order
that's all you need to know

[Anonymous No.18205465]

>>18205447
probably the second apocalypse series based on the memes

[Anonymous No.18205492]

>>18205447
Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy
Stations of the Tide
Ceremony

[Anonymous No.18205503]

>>18200721
Pretty much this >18205464
Reading Esslemont's books is unnecessary unless you're a fan of the world and are starving for more. Same with the sequels and prequels by Erickson
>>18200475
>Black Company
Arguably you only need to read the first 3 books for a satisfying ending. Never bothered to read the rest especially due to their mixed reception

[Anonymous No.18205694]

>>18205447
Autistic LARP nonsense? Homestuck

[Anonymous No.18205884]

>>18204811
>reread ASOIAF
I'm thinking of doing this
Haven't ready anything by GRRM for over a decade but I know it will be fruitless

[Anonymous No.18206037]

>>18205694
Level 2

[Anonymous No.18206107]

>>18200417
Seeth animefag

[Anonymous No.18206333]

>>18206107
Based

[Anonymous No.18206394]

Just finished Shadow, Claw and Sword. Started Citadel of Autarch last night. It's one hell of a ride.

[Anonymous No.18206466]

>>18203394
>the stereotype went from "that childish garbage?" to "that propaganda garbage?"
Anons, when did genre peak? Because it certainly did.

[Anonymous No.18206467]

>>18206394
I am reading chapter 15 of The Unholy Consult. It’s one hell of a ride also.

Anyone remember what music you were supposed to listen to in chapter 20?

[Anonymous No.18206474]

>>18200057
There is already a sci-fantasy general, faggot. Stop flooding the board.

[Anonymous No.18206486]

>>18206466
Depends who you ask. I think more great authors will eventually come and there has been many peaks. Also define peak

[Anonymous No.18206499]

>>18206474
Oh you mean the science fiction, fantasy and anime general? We just got rid of the anime part. Be sure to post your anime, hololive and manga in that thread. Thank you for your cooperation.

[Anonymous No.18206522]

>>18206486
>peak
"It's all downhill from here"
If you drew a graph with the average rating (by someone or a few people whose taste is worth a damn, otherwise it would normalize) of the top 20 or some arbitrary number of books per year, you would have one top year, even if the occasional good contemporary author is able to cause a rise despite the downward trend.

[Anonymous No.18206537]

>>18206474
There is a reason for the split.

[Anonymous No.18206542]

>>18206537
>/a/ is for anime and anime

[Anonymous No.18206547]

>>18206537
>on an anime site
>hates anime

Go back to reddt normie and take your dead general with you.

[Anonymous No.18206553]

>>18206547
I'm not a reddit normie you fucking weeb, I've been here since 2016. I'm an oldfag.

[Anonymous No.18206556]

>>18206547
Remember to seethe and dilate.

[Anonymous No.18206564]

>>18206553
>2016
>oldfag
pick one, reddit

[Anonymous No.18206573]

>>18206547
b8

[Anonymous No.18206574]

>>18206547
>>18206564
Fucking janitors. Can you remove this avatar usage at some point? Useless pieces of shit.

[Anonymous No.18206578]

>>18206553
>I've been here since 2016. I'm an oldfag.
b8

[Anonymous No.18206834]

Has anyone read Brian Catling's The Vorth trilogy? I'm planning to read it soon, sounds absolutely amazing and I've heard really good things about it from the few people that are aware of it.

[Anonymous No.18206941]

>>18200057
Gor cover, what a surprise, I was just fapping to that last week.
>>18202244
Eh, you have to skim over a lot of dull plot between erotica. Doesn't help that author basically creates an ideology out of bdsm.

[Anonymous No.18206946]

>>18202734
>Literature, you could say, is the kind of narrative message that challenges rather than reinforces our background assumptions.
That's too postmodern for works from other eras, right? Either literature beat philosophical postmodernism to the punch by centuries, or old literature doesn't really count, which seems very wrong.
The only way this could be accurate is if *any new information* counts as "challenging assumptions", which is tautological.

[Anonymous No.18206954]

>>18206834
i've read the first two and enjoyed them a lot

[Anonymous No.18206958]

>>18204628
How graphic can you be to filter the 50 Shades crowd? Never mind, this is a blue board and I don't really want to know.

[Anonymous No.18206964]

>>18206958
See
>>18203176
It is graphic and it’s from the POV of the victim.

[Anonymous No.18206987]

>>18206954
Alan Moore is quite a fan of them, so they must be real quality.

[Anonymous No.18207027]

>>18203176
>male protagonist gets gangraped by a pack of hyenas?
tell fujos about it, they would probably like it

[Anonymous No.18207036]

>>18202908
Continue the kino of Black Company.
>>18205503
Kind of true, books in the South are not as good imo. They have more of the best girl Soulcatcher, but not as a main character....

[Anonymous No.18207231]

cursed Likaro

[Anonymous No.18207324]

Stay the fuck out of our thread idiots. You want an anime-free thread? Fine, but don't ruin ours with your politicking.

[Anonymous No.18207382]

>>18207324
Seethe and dilate

[Anonymous No.18207421]

>>18207324
Imagine getting so butthurt that you come and complain unironically to a better thread.

[Anonymous No.18207426]

>>18207421
But this thread is dead.

[Anonymous No.18207430]

>>18207421
If it was a better thread than you idiots wouldn't have to come to our thread and ruin it and derail it.

[Anonymous No.18207451]

>>18207426
Seems very much alive to me with the heated discussion.

[Anonymous No.18207543]

>>18205447
If you are into it for more than just the LARPy new age garbage, John Crowley's Aegypt series is at least partially about 16th/17th century mystics like Giordano Bruno or John Dee. It even has the Harold Bloom seal of approval.
If you want some more historical background on the period, and the movements that inspired Crowley, read Frances Yates books (Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition, Rosicrucian Enlightenment, The Occult Philosophy in the Elizabethan Age, etc.). I believe John Crowley mentions her in the introduction of his book as one of his main inspirations.

[Anonymous No.18207556]

>>18200430
It's all bait and Bakker shilling himself. He's been caught doing it before

[Anonymous No.18207561]

>>18202734
go away bakker. huck your shitty blog elsewhere

[Anonymous No.18207567]

>>18206466
the 1920s, when all the good writers were alive, though you could say it maintained this quality into the 50s.

[Anonymous No.18207568]

>>18200057
What fantasy book should I read if I enjoyed berserk?

[Anonymous No.18207573]

>>18207568
Tarnsman of Gor

[Anonymous No.18207580]

>>18207568
Almost literally any dark, heroic, sword and sorcery book.
>Clark Ashton Smith, Hyperborean and Zothique
>Robert E. Howard, Conan the Cimmerian
>Andrzej Sapkowski, The Witcher

[Anonymous No.18207582]

>>18207573
Is there an equivalent without sex?

[Anonymous No.18207590]

>>18207582
no.
don't know why you liked berserk if you're afraid of fucking

[Anonymous No.18207599]

>>18207590
I'm on nofap I can't read erotica :(

[Anonymous No.18207601]

>>18207599
then you will never know true art

[Anonymous No.18207609]

>>18207599
>>18207582
The Witcher series doesn't actually have that much sex, its more like romance.
You might also want to try BotNS by Gene Wolfe

[Anonymous No.18207636]

>>18207580
>>18207609
Thanks bros. Also I just realised there's two threads? I'm a nufag so what's the drama with anime/manga?

[Anonymous No.18207649]

Fuck Bakker. Fuck Peter Watts. Fuck all of your pretentious books written by humanities PhD's.

This is your autistic hero. I'm going on sad panda to jerk off to anime and there's NOTHING you can do about it.

[Anonymous No.18207653]

>>18207636
The other /sffg/ has been hijacked by the same /a/nime poster for atleast 2 months. This is a screenshot of his answer in the other thread in response to "bullying" that was merely valid criticism that anime and manga aren't actually proper literature and thus should not be posted in /lit/ or /sffg/.
The OP literally cant read past 10 pages. He does not read and still makes threads in /lit/. This /wsffg/ is safe haven from anime and mange recommendations.

[Anonymous No.18207660]

>>18207636
Schizo ruining /sffg/ and keeps calling everyone samefag.

[Anonymous No.18207680]

>>18207653
what a faggot lmao

[Anonymous No.18207698]

>>18207636
there's a mediocre canadian fantasy author who has a hyper autistic fanbase and right now they're chimping out.

[Anonymous No.18207712]

>>18207649
Is that quote real?

[Anonymous No.18207716]

>>18207712
Here more detailed version, I suggest you read the whole essay.
https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/essay-archive/the-future-of-literature-in-the-age-of-information/
>This means all the old and largely unfounded prejudices against genre fiction must be set aside. Genre only seems antithetical to ‘literature’ because the literary have turned it into a flattering foil, abandoned it, in effect, leaving a rhetorical fog of self-congratulation in their wake. In my own case, I chose epic fantasy because I knew the best way to provoke readers with a narrative meditation on the nature and consequences of belief was to reach actual believers. And provoke I did. Other writers, like China Mieville, M. John Harrison, Gene Wolfe, John Crowley, to name just a few, are doing the same thing, producing work that is obviously literary, openly provocative, yet unheard of in literary circles for the simple sin of wearing wrong generic skin. These are the writers who are genuinely shaking things up, as opposed to hawking intellectual and aesthetic buzzes inside the literary echo chamber.

[Anonymous No.18207734]

>>18207716
you WILL read manga/lightnovels and you WILL enjoy it

[Anonymous No.18207740]

>>18207734
b8

[Anonymous No.18207750]

>>18207740
U mad yt boi?

[Anonymous No.18207754]

>>18200057
If you had to recommend one S&S book/series which one would it be? I really wanna try one out.

[Anonymous No.18207756]

>>18207740
>NOOOOOOO READ MY DEAD OLD WHITE MEN OR IT'S NOT REAL LITERATURE

[Anonymous No.18207764]

I'm reading through King of Elfland's daughter right now and I'm really enjoying it. It achingly pretty. I used to think I hated fantasy as a genre but I've figured out that the old, pre commercialization stuff is pretty great and far more natural. Not at all as pretentious and unserious as the stuff made by Sanderson or Bakker. I'm planning on reading Titus Groan next.

>>18207716
>it's real
lmao
I'm surprised he doesn't wear a neckbeard

[Anonymous No.18207772]

>>18207764
>I'm surprised he doesn't wear a neckbeard
He also has cuckshit in his books.

[Anonymous No.18207785]

>>18207764
Yep the old stuff is really comfy. Even Lovecraft's horror is comfy to read

[Anonymous No.18207826]

>>18207754
A single story? Ill Met in Lankhmar or A Witch Shall be Born.

[Anonymous No.18207865]

>>18207826
Ill Met in Lankhmar won Nebula award in the 1970s. There might be something to it then. Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.18207896]

>>18207754
Imaro
>>18207826
Is Ill Met the one with the origin stories? Didn't like that at all

[Anonymous No.18207915]

>>18207764
Titus Groan is peak comfy anon, enjoy

[Anonymous No.18207920]

>>18207896
It's the first Fafhrd and Gray Mouser story, the collection with the same name includes their origins.

[Anonymous No.18207929]

Another main reason the regular wg and sffg didn’t need as much life support is we kept bumping it with gtfo animetranny posts and then it kept getting bumped by the replies.

[Anonymous No.18207930]

Someone else recommended this to me and it's a pretty comfy read. Basically humanity in the future beam their genome into another galaxy and the aliens there revive them. The aliens mean well but don't really understand why humans feel out of place and want to return to their home galaxy.

The parts of it pertaining to living in a dominant culture that's not your own reminded me of The Man in the High Castle

[Anonymous No.18207934]

>>18207929
Keep telling yourself that.

[Anonymous No.18207938]

>>18207929
sffg never needed life support bumping, kill yourself newfag idiot

[Anonymous No.18207952]

>>18207653
>The other /sffg/ has been hijacked by the same /a/nime poster for atleast 2 months.

Anyone else realize that all the generals (/writing/ general, stupid questions that don't deserve their own threads, etc) are all made with anime pictures? Not just on /lit/, but also on all the other boards like /sci/ that otherwise don't have a lot of anime. It's like weebs are the only ones autistic enough to make a daily habit out of this. These are guys who have notifications set up so they can start a new animepic thread every time the old one hits bump limit. Honestly, I envy their perseverance. But it also means that this is a war you guys can't win unless you can match their tenacity.

[Anonymous No.18207960]

>>18207952
The large majority of writers on /wg/ are animefags? What’s the problem of having an image that represents them?

[Anonymous No.18207968]

>>18207938
>If I just tell him that he is newfag and I am an oldfag maybe my message will have more weight to it
>>18207952
Apparently its not just /sffg/ and /wg/ its in /tg/ board also.
>>18207960
Writing manga is barely writing at all

[Anonymous No.18207975]

>>18207968
>Writing manga is barely writing at all
They aren’t writing manga, they’re writing stories. Unlike the pseuds who don’t write.

[Anonymous No.18207997]

>>18207952
stop spamming please

[Anonymous No.18208001]

>>18207952
Yes, I imagine it's the same person doing it out of some kind of megalomaniac "altruism." Where would we be without the guy who makes all the general threads, and what better way to let everyone know it's one cool dude who makes all these threads than using the same Hololive avatar?

[Anonymous No.18208006]

>>18207997
But yes, this thread isn't about retards, it's about science fiction and fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18208012]

>>18208006
With the way you were going about things, you could have fooled us.

[Anonymous No.18208019]

>>18208006
your behavior begs to differ

[Anonymous No.18208021]

>>18208012
Generals never talk about the general topic they talk about the general.

[Anonymous No.18208034]

>>18208021
Speak for yourself, /sffg/ was keeping on-topic discussion before it was derailed.

[Anonymous No.18208040]

>>18203413
Based, I love this book.
>>18203632
Yes

[Anonymous No.18208056]

>>18202748
>Gene Wolfe is constantly named as one of the great American authors of the past couple of decades.
Only in the fantasy scene. Wolfe's reputation never bridged the gap like Le guin's and Crowley's did.

[Anonymous No.18208109]

>>18206834
I read the first one and he comes across as a try hard. His prose was sold as poetic but it is nonsensical descriptions trying hard to be touchy feely and not in a good way.

[Anonymous No.18208113]

>>18206987
Brian caitling and Moore have been friends for over 3 decades. The praise is nepotism

[Anonymous No.18208119]

>>18202734
>China Mieville
he's normie tier. My dad knows who he is and my dad only reads stuff like hemingway and bukowsky.
He's also shit but that's beside the point

[Anonymous No.18208256]

Is anime allowed in this thread?

[Anonymous No.18208302]

>>18207952
It just means that they are loser in real life, The fact that they have time to bump and create a new thread every day suggest no job, no friends, larps on discord like most faggots and is mentally ill. fucking hell just go outside for walk or something atleast.

[Anonymous No.18208304]

>>18208040
I kinda felt it was overrated. Too much focus on being in town. I can understand why they wrote it like that but it only leaves you wanting more of the zone, and you know there isn’t.

[Anonymous No.18208323]

Does anyone have this Juniper Books edition of LOTR?
I am looking at getting a nice set and this one seems good. It’s $175 after tax and shipping though so I wonder if I should just get the Folio Society version at that point

[Anonymous No.18208379]

>>18208323
Pretty sure juniper does nothing special to the books except changing the covers
Folio's are alright I guess if you're interested in seeing illustrations by Tolkien or the Queen of Denmark, and the covers are decent.

The best edition is "the hobbit & the lord of the rings boxed set: illustrated edition" by HarperCollins. The illustrations are amazing and the quality is fine.
The deluxe editions by HarperCollins have ugly illustrations but might feel better.

If you want a nice edition of the Simarillion you should get the latest illustrated edition published by HarperCollins this year. The book is red/slightly orange with an illustrated slipcase. It's sublime.

[Anonymous No.18208584]

>>18208304
That's fair. To me, it helped the Zone remain as this unknowable thing that made it so unsettling. I also think it was important for different character developments, although it's been some year since I've read it so I'm going off of vague memories.

[Anonymous No.18208596]

>Most... memorable...

[Anonymous No.18208748]

>>18208596
Accursed Ghoul

[Anonymous No.18208807]

>>18207968
you're a newfag because you think threads need bumping and spamming is preferable to hibernation

[Anonymous No.18208842]

>>18208807
Not even the same guy, i’m the original fag you’re replying to. And, if we’re talking about the time we’ve been here i’ve been here since 2008 or 2009. So i remember when lit was created and back then there was no need for the discussion about where anime should be since the occasional anime pic didn’t disturb the regular flow of actually lit related material. Now, every general has an anime chick in the shades of green and purple, which has caused the total derailment of several threads.
So yes, you are right in that sffg didn’t need bumps, but that wasn’t my central point. But good on you, you spotted an irrelevant flaw in my casually written comment on an anonymous internet forum.

[Anonymous No.18208911]

So what's the deal with the anime fags?
Have the trannies finally driven them off of their home boards or something?

[Anonymous No.18208922]

>>18208911
Some of them want to discuss books written by Asian, or god forbid, black authors.

[Anonymous No.18208953]

>>18208922
why would you want to do that, they're all trash

[Anonymous No.18208964]

>>18208922
Hoo-leee shieeeet, that's horrible.
Who wants to talk about Ching-Chong breaking millennia old trees with his bare fists or the latest book by the angry black woman, whatshername?
Small wonder no one wants them around, here or elsewhere. These people have no idea how repulsive they are.

[Anonymous No.18209027]

>>18208922
>black authors
Non issue
>asian authors
It wasnt just asian authors, it was manga, manhua, light novels and other crap akin to them when they have their own board to discuss them aka /a/
No one had a problem discussing normal sff novels by asians authors, whether it be the 3 body problem, poppy war, jade war, etc.

[Anonymous No.18209055]

>>18209027
>poppy war, jade war
But these are American and not Asian.

[Anonymous No.18209291]

Sweet Seju. I have only chapter 20 left to read of TUC. What was the music you are supposed to listen to while reading this?

[Anonymous No.18209404]

>>18207580

prob a dumb question, but is the CAS hyperboria and Howard's Hyborian age set within the same universe? Is it set within different timelines?

[Anonymous No.18209426]

>>18203176
What? Like in the ass with hyena cock, or do the butch female heynas make him seed their pussies?

[Anonymous No.18209531]

>>18207754
Zelazny's Amber

[Anonymous No.18209595]

Fuck Pay Pigs
Fuck Pay Walls
Fuck Webnovels
Fuck A Chapter a Month
Fuck E William Brown

[Anonymous No.18209684]

>>18200430
100% meme

[Anonymous No.18209696]

>>18209595
All this pent up Fuck. Maybe you should try having sex?

[Anonymous No.18209717]

I'm looking for fantasy books where the Jester plays a major role in the story be it supportive or antagonist

[Anonymous No.18209736]

>>18209717
King Lear

[Anonymous No.18209884]

>>18200475
anybody else like the riftwar saga (or other books) by raymond e feist? it's definitely for a younger audience than say, GRRM, but I think they have a charming style. i think they compare favorably to wheel of time, but I must admit I haven't read most of the books on this list here

[Anonymous No.18209888]

can you lot help me clear up something that i've been wondering about for the past week. i saw some post on instagram that mentioned how some people can read a book in one night. this is an impossible feat for me so i just assumed that some people are just way smarter than me.
then in the comments i saw people saying "lmao i could never do that, my books are hundreds of pages long, like 300-400!"
and this got me wondering
1) to me 300 pages is a book on the short side. is that not the case? why would someone flex about reading books of that size as if they're long?
2) are those people who claim they read books in one night reading some kind of novelettes of 120 pages or something or are they just really fast readers?

[Anonymous No.18209920]

>>18200771
insights into the minds of characters are less common in history. sometimes we have good diary sources to get into the minds of historical figures, but the advantage of fantasy is that we get to look at a hypothetical scenario that shares some similarities to reality but from a perspective we can never access in reality, namely an omniscient or semi-omniscient perspective that includes the sort of quirks of personal experience that can't be capture in historical works

historical fiction can do something similar, if you really just dont like the idea of made-up autist worlds

[Anonymous No.18209928]

>>18200780
Prince of the Blood by Raymond E Feist

[Anonymous No.18209937]

I'm trying to think of a fantasy novel where at least one of the characters is a torturer or some sort of interrogator. I only read the first chapter. It's not the Book of the New Sun.

[Anonymous No.18209939]

Can someone explain TUC for me. Just how did Kelmomas have the ability to fuck with gods’ plans so much ?

[Anonymous No.18209944]

>>18209937
It is

[Anonymous No.18209979]

>>18209937
one of the characters in the first law is some kind of interrogator but i don't remember if he was in the first chapters
is it also possible you're thinking of a 40k novel? inquisitor characters like eisenhorn or ravenor are popular in those

[Anonymous No.18209991]

>>18209979
I'll look into the First Law. It's definitely not 40k. I think I remember the second chapter starting with a different character at a bonfire.

[Anonymous No.18210021]

>>18209991
well the first law certainly has character perspective swaps but i genuinely don't remember details of the begining.
if you're checking it up right now and not tomorrow, let us know if that's the one.

[Anonymous No.18210094]

>>18207568

[Anonymous No.18210111]

>>18209717
Time for you to get into Sanderson

[Anonymous No.18210123]

>>18200057
>tfw OP realizes that he will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.18210138]

>>18209717
realm of the elderlings

[Anonymous No.18210171]

>>18210111
This is unironically a good answer related to the Cosmere books. They are young adult tho

[Anonymous No.18210183]

>>18208922
Oof that’s cringe

[Anonymous No.18210212]

>>18200803
I thought only the first book was interesting. All his wit and genius made sense and was used cleverly. The second book was like a really shifty version of oceans 11 that had no ingenuity. I couldn't even finish the third book.

[Anonymous No.18210246]

>>18208922
Yeah and they can fuck off.

[Anonymous No.18210277]

>>18210212
> I couldn't even finish the third book.

Lol you missed out big time. He literally learns advanced magic so he can put his consciousness in a teenage body and he fucks his daughter near the end [/spoiler[

[Anonymous No.18210288]

>>18207920
I didn't like the fafner and mouser books. Read the first one and really didn't catch my interest

[Anonymous No.18210386]

>>18200496
Based

[Anonymous No.18210393]

Anyone read faithful and fallen series? I'm on the first book and it's certainly a slog. So many characters, non of which you really care for. All the events are pretty non impactful. I hear the last third of the book is when it really starts going and it doesn't stop till the end of the series, but I'm wondering if you guys can vouche for that.

[Anonymous No.18210577]

>>18210393
Ye, it definitely gets better towards the end. And it is worth the read.

[Anonymous No.18210677]

Is bakker actually good or are you rats sending me on a ruse

[Anonymous No.18210704]

>>18210677
he's good but the series is unfinished so depending on how much of a plotfag you are, it might not be worth to start.
i certainly dropped it midway through book one even though i found it very engaging. sorry bakker but i've been burned too many times.

[Anonymous No.18210711]

>>18210677
See
>>18200456

Usually people who have actually read Bakker appreciate his works. Those that got filtered by his first book and those hating Bakkerposters out of spite will tell you Bakker is a hack.

[Anonymous No.18210763]

>>18210677
I'm not a fan of grimderp so I dropped him

[Anonymous No.18210774]

>>18210704
Didn’t read past book 1
>The seven book series is unfinished
Wrong. It is finished. Even the first trilogy is itself finished.

[Anonymous No.18210823]

>>18210774
oh yeah? what happens at the end of book seven then? how does it all end? and use spoiler tags please. while i am being faceticious i wouldn't want someone else to get spoiled

[Anonymous No.18210860]

>>18210823
RAFO

[Anonymous No.18210923]

>>18210860
i already did. on the wiki
it was the kind of thing i don't mind finding out and wouldn't keep me from reading the books when (or if) the story is completed. but it felt unfinished for damn sure.

[Anonymous No.18210926]

Does anybody know of other good "wholesome" fantasy, such as Tolkien? Fantasy without subversive and salacious shock therapy? Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed grim fantasy stuff, but my horizons are narrow with respect to other fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18210929]

>>18210923
The wiki is not complete. Most articles are stubs or don’t contain all relevant information.

[Anonymous No.18210933]

I just started this last night before I went to bed, just from reading the first chapter I can tell I'm going to enjoy this series it's peak comfy-kino.

[Anonymous No.18210938]

>>18210926
Wheel of Time

[Anonγmous No.18210970]

>>18210926
see >>18210957

[Anonymous No.18211000]

>>18210933
that's how i felt about the first 20 or 30 pages or the belgariad but then it got too retarded for me
>DUDE i'm not going to tell anyone about this shadowy figure i keep seeing because i feel it's part of MY destiny and just for me, even though i'm surrounded by people who clearly know more about my origins than i do

[Anonymous No.18211006]

>>18210970
Fucking kek. Pure seethe just from people not wanting to be around them.

[Anonγmous No.18211033]

>>18211006
>>18211023
>t. ranny

[Anonymous No.18211039]

>>18210926
The Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander, The Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis, and The Time Quartet by Madeleine l'Engle are highly regarded though they're slightly more on the "young adult" side of literature.

Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter of Mars, Pellucidar, and Tarzan of the Apes series are more on the "adult" side of things though given that they are all pulp serials, they are not exactly deep when it comes to narrative.

David Eddings' Belgariad and Malloreon are most likely what you're looking for - sincere and without pretense, with enough action, drama, romance, heroism, and villainy to whet your appetite without ever giving you a bad taste in your mouth through cheap "gotcha" edginess - they are what Tolkien would have been like if he wrote prose like a normal person instead of a medieval historian. Eddings' Elenium and Tamuli series are also of similar quality, though while not subversive, they tackle much more mature or disturbing themes without shying away from the nitty gritty though not reveling in it either.

There are also a number of good Star Wars novels out there if you're looking for that king of thing.

[Anonymous No.18211042]

>>18210929
if you say so. but everything i read there seems to jive with what i've seen people online talk about, namely waiting with baited breath for some unnanounced third trilogy.
that anon can make up his own mind, but i won't read it until bakker dies or until more books are released. endings like that can work, if there's no hope of anything else ever being released.

[Anonymous No.18211051]

>>18211000
>I didn't read more than 20 pages into a 4000 page series
>wtf why aren't the plot points explained to me already?

[Anonymous No.18211061]

>>18210933
The whimsical talking goblin thing was too off for me

[Anonymous No.18211075]

>>18210926
Check out the Riftwar saga by Feist.

[Anonymous No.18211077]

>>18211051
yeah when i see the author being lazy and using a lame as fuck plot device, i drop it. sue me.
if this isn't some pathetic dishonest strawmen and you actually thought i was saying that i was getting frustrated by not having the plot points explained to me, your iq is so low i'm surprised you can even read.

[Anonymous No.18211091]

>>18211077
well considering its all explained at the end of the first book I can tell that the retarded person in this exchange is the one who can't be bothered to complete a single 400 page novel, next thing you know you'll be bitching about why Michael Crichton didn't tell you how the procompsognathus got to the mainland in Jurassic Park

[Anonymous No.18211098]

Is this nigga really aping Cormac McCarthy in battle sequences?

[Anonymous No.18211134]

>>18211091
was it revealed that the retarded train of thought i greentexted in my first post was planted in his head by the villain or something like that?
if so, i'm willing to concede i was dumb and might give the books a second chance
if not, suck my dick, asshole

[Anonγmous No.18211144]

>>18211098
see >>18211119

[Anonymous No.18211360]

>>18211134
>answer my question, you dick asshole
Lmao. Bold stratagem, let’s see if it pays off.

[Anonymous No.18211416]

I'm reading The Quantum Thief. I don't think the prose is particularly bad or anything but something ticks me off about the language. The super dense, dumb sci-fi jargon (I really don't think "spime" is such a clever portmanteau that a civilization so far in the future would still be using it, for one, and how literally everything is q-this or quantum-that is giving me a headache) is only part of it. I had to do a double take in this paragraph
>She summons the combat autism the pellegrini built into her. It enfolds her like a cool blanket, turns the world into vectors and gravity wells. Her mind enmeshes with Perhonen’s, thinking fast thoughts.

[Anonymous No.18211464]

>>18211134
Yes, as a matter of fact, it's pointed out rather explicitly about 2-3 or 3/4 into Pawn of Prophecy that owing to Garion's strange behavior, he's being effectively mind-controlled due to a magic Manchurian-Candidate tether implanted by a Murgo sorceror and that Aunt Pol has to use her powers to dispel the enchantment, which becomes a further plot point in the last 50 pages when that selfsame Murgo surprises him and attempts to mind-control him and fails, initiating a battle in the castle of Val Alorn.
The second book goes into that sorceror's story further and ends it abruptly and spectacularly.
The real twist though is in the final book when it's revealed that the shadow was never Asharak/Chamdar at all, but an astral projection of Torak that woke upon the Child of Light's (i.e. Garion's) birth

[Anonymous No.18211616]

>>18211416
I dropped the book for a while after this post and the very same page keeps on giving
>The Prison, a diamond doughnut thirty lightseconds behind them, the origin of Perhonen’s current vector, dense, dark and cold.
>The Archon bladeships, coming in fast at a .5g, much more delta-v than the gentle tug of Perhonen’s lightsail. The torches of their antimatter engines are fiery pillars of backscattered mesons and gamma rays in the spimescape.
I've heard people say that the "technical" language turned them off this series. I don't think the language is hard to understand, but it just sounds stupid as fuck and has no pleasant rhythm to it. Between the pointless little digression just to tell you how much delta-v the Archon bladeships have (delta-v is a useful term but here it serves no function if the reader already knows how rockets fucking work, and "bladeships" themselves seem to be a made up term that is not used again in the book rather than some obscure speculative drive system or something, so that's another ugly portmanteau with no reason to be there) you have "lightsail" (which, okay, is a real technology and conjures a pretty enough mental picture even if you didn't pay attention to where he describes them) and "spimescape". That's "space time landscape" for us keeping score at home, which if you read it literally not knowing the specific meaning he is borrowing here from Bruce Sterling, is one of the most hilariously redundant things to point out about anything. Then he tells you what kind of invisible radiation and subatomic particles the antimatter engines are emitting.

His prose isn't technically bad, but his word choice is terrible

[Anonymous No.18211711]

>>18211464
huh well look at that. am on a sci-fi/horror roll right now but when i get the urge for fantasy again i might pick it up. it and earthsea are probably the last long famous fantasy series i haven't read

[Anonymous No.18211722]

Are there any good standalone/single high/low/dark fantasy books? I don't want to read 7 books when only 2 of 7 are good.

[Anonymous No.18211739]

>>18211722
tigana is decent
wolf in shadow is a fun three book series but the books are short and pretty much stand alone. or maybe the first one is stand alone and the other two are sequels of each other, not sure.
the night land (retold) is fantastic.

[Anonymous No.18212056]

>>18200771
Only those with no imagination would ask this question.

[Anonymous No.18212131]

>>18200771
because unlike the Napoleonic Wars, in fantasy novels the good guys win

[Anonymous No.18212296]

>>18200771
I find this question confusing on its face, do people seriously approach Dune as if they're going to be immersed in a web of true-to-life political intrigue and wartime logistics? Only one of those things is even arguably in the book. You read Dune for the trippy setting and deliberate, self-aware sendup of Great Man narratives first and foremost. There's a very wide gulf between Dune and the kind of military sci-fi that does try to be like the Napoleonic wars or whatever.

Dune's plot is straight out of Lawrence of Arabia (not even the real story of T.E Lawrence, the Hollywood movie) because in-universe the Bene Gesserit have engineered the local culture so that they can insert themselves as messianic figures if they get stranded in planets like Arrakis. The twist is that, entirely by accident, this happens at the same time as their attempt to create to create an universe-conquering ubermensch accidentally comes to fruition and creates a situation where violent overthrow of their stable, carefully-wrought social order is inevitable. This is arguably the most important theme and recurring plot thread in the series and I have no idea how so many people keep missing it.

[Anonymous No.18212332]

>>18212296
But seriously, if you read the gom jabbar scene or pay attention to the part where the setting's FTL works by having psychic pilots trip balls through space, and come out with the conclusion that this is going to be a realistic, grounded and completely unromantic book you've likely taken entirely the wrong approach to the text

[Anonymous No.18212355]

>>18209884
One of my favorites growing up, I love talking about them. This thread would probably consider it D&D-style YA but I thought it was a well thought-out saga with a big scope. Probably the biggest complaint is the yuuuuge power creep by the end of the 30ish book series.

[Anonymous No.18212372]

>>18209888
Some quick math (average person reads at 250 words / minute, first harry potter book is 75K words) still leaves 5 hours for the first harry potter book. I love reading but after a few hours you got to get up and move your body lol.

[Anonymous No.18212451]

>>18209888
Reading fiction shouldn't be some race against the clock. Speed reading is vaguely bunk (you can't actually read several thousand words a minute and keep comprehension very high because of the physical limitations of your eyes and brain, most speed reading techniques are just skimming with style). If you read enough you will become a bit faster over time anyway.

[Anonymous No.18212460]

>>18211722
Anubis Gates is cozy and trippy simultaneously.

[Anonymous No.18212728]

Best /wsffg/ swords? pic not related

[Anonymous No.18212873]

>>18212372
I've read for 10+ hours straight several times before. I never feel any impulse to move my body.

[Anonymous No.18212887]

>>18212728
Terminus Est may just take the cake, I gotta say.

[Anonymous No.18212988]

>>18212728
Stormbringer

[Anonymous No.18213378]

>>18207036
The Dread Empire books are pretty kino too.

[Anonymous No.18213591]

Whats your opinion on the bolo series?

[Anonymous No.18213620]

>Gods I really hate war
>It makes me so mad
>I wish everyone could just solve their problems over a game of ping pong xDDD
>Oh I'm going to write a book
>Hmmmm what should it be about (gosh I really hate war)
>I GOT IT!!
>I'LL WRITE MILITARY SCIFI!!!
What is fucking wrong with these people. Stop writing about war if you don't like it. I am sick of having to shovel through an ocean of this shit looking for another Starship Troopers.

[Anonymous No.18213762]

>>18212296
All culminates in the arrival of the universes ultimate chad, you know who.

[Anonymous No.18214045]

>>18212728
I guess The Stormlight Archive has some niche swords

[Anonymous No.18214074]

Anyone else unable to read first person perspective? What's wrong with me? I want to read Black Stone Heart because it sounds edgy as fuck but I can't get over fpp

[Anonymous No.18214081]

>>18200087
>>18200417

[Anonymous No.18214084]

>>18214074
you have to do it right or it's shit. try the farseer trilogy

[Anonymous No.18214090]

>>18200057
>>Joe Abercrombie, The Blade Itself
Most definitely NOT S&S.

[Anonymous No.18214176]

>>18214090
Abercrombie reader detected. Yikes!

[Anonymous No.18214187]

>>18214081

[Anonymous No.18214385]

>>18214187
>iPhone

[Anonymous No.18214399]

>>18211033
>linking to random cross thread posts that call you mentally ill
t. schizo

[Anonymous No.18214665]

>>18212728
Enshoiya
Anguirel
Glamdring
Holol

[Anonymous No.18214712]

>>18200456
I read half of Bakker’s first book and found it awful and cringe. I’m willing to give this genre one more try. I read 70% history and 30% philosophy. Read a lot of the lit fiction favorites when I was younger. Any recommendations

[Anonymous No.18214723]

>>18213378
>The Dread Empire books are pretty kino too.
I second the Dread Empire series, by Walter Jon Williams. One of the few good military scifi series out there, although the ending is a bit ... off.

[Anonγmous No.18214727]

>>18214074
see >>18214721

[Anonymous No.18214734]

>>18214712
>Any recommendations
Alfred Bester, "The Stars my Destination". One of the all time greatest classics.

[Anonymous No.18214818]

>>18214727
First they complain about cross threaders and now they do it themselves

[Anonymous No.18214865]

>>18205492
Could you specify the author of Ceremony?

[Anonymous No.18214896]

>>18211039
Quality post

[Anonymous No.18214960]

>>18203755
But Jews are

[Anonymous No.18214966]

>>18214187

[Anonymous No.18214983]

New thread >>18214978
New thread >>18214978
inb4 four posts too soon

[Anonymous No.18214994]

>>18214983
You fags ruined these generals by splitting them into two threads. All because you were ass blasted because one anon used an anime image for an OP.

[Anonymous No.18215008]

Redpill me on Bakker. Is he good or a meme author?

[Anonymous No.18215015]

>>18215008
He's good. But his books are very dark and perverse and his writing style turns a lot of people off.

[Anonymous No.18215026]

>>18215008
He is a good author. Controversial because he filters most people in his first book.

[Anonymous No.18215031]

>>18215008
A fucking meme, nothing more and nothing less.

[Anonymous No.18215040]

>>18215031
This person is one of those who read halfway through the book and gave up because "nothing happened". Lmao kill youselves if you attention span is so narrow

[Anonymous No.18215049]

>>18214994
And what's worse, they still try to shit it up.

[Anonymous No.18215123]

>>18215008
He's edgy but with a wicked sense of humor

[Anonymous No.18215169]

>>18200475
>>The Kingkiller Chronicles, Patrick Rothfuss
These books are retarded. Remove them.

[Anonymous No.18215181]

>>18203029
it's niglit. don't waste your time.

[Anonymous No.18215391]

>>18215008
he's awful and most of the praise he gets on this board is ironic

[Anonymous No.18215701]

>>18214865
Leslie Marmon Silko

[Anonymous No.18215712]

>>18214712
Ka by Crowley
Towing Jehovah

[Anonymous No.18215848]

>>18214994
The animeposter ruined the general.

[Anonγmous No.18215855]

>>18215848
and yet it lives and is currently discussing russian isekai novels while your sitting here blaming everyone but yourself