To consoom, or not to consoom?

[Anonymous No.18183581]

That is the thread. What arguments can we give to young men and women not to spend their earnings on entertainment, hobbies, toys, Netflix, Apple Music, Amazon Prime, Crunchyroll, or alcoholic beverages and parting? How do we get them to save money, by going to the library and spending their free time reading to enrich their minds.

Pic related is the cost of Warhammer, something people who browse 4chan’s /tg/ and consoom seem to love.

[Anonymous No.18183588]

>>18183581
Money is worthless if you are dead

[Anonymous No.18183596]

>>18183588
t. Spender

You give that money as endowments to publications, to fund science and the arts, or to your family so they never go hungry or die of a preventable disease.

[Anonymous No.18183597]

>>18183581
>Pic related is the cost of Warhammer, something people who browse 4chan’s /tg/ and consoom seem to love.
what is that, a figurine?

[Anonymous No.18183598]

does it improve your net happiness? then "consoom", I guess

it's really not a difficult question, you just have to figure out if it actually will benefit you or lower your net happiness

[Anonymous No.18183607]

>>18183596
Again, you are dead. Your desires and aspirations are worthless and your family is no longer your family.

[Anonymous No.18183609]

>>18183581
There's a third path. Accumulate capital. Buy things, but try to only buy things that make you more effective and save you time.

[Anonymous No.18183611]

>>18183581

I don't like the idea of saving just for the sake of having money saved (beyond a certain emergency fund and savings built up over time for larger purchases), but 320 bucks for a figurine is also ridiculous. Personally I'd say use spare money to travel or do interesting stuff in general. Just get books from a library or take the ereader pill and pirate them.

[Anonymous No.18183627]

>>18183597
It’s a miniature for a tabletop war game... it’s popular with people who play Total War Warhammer, another consoomer product.

>>18183607
How do you know this? You haven’t died. Read the Apology.

[Anonymous No.18183630]

>>18183607

[Anonymous No.18183640]

>>18183627
>Total War Warhammer, another consoomer product.

Implying that the hundreds of books written for lore aren't the peak of literature.

[Anonymous No.18183641]

>>18183611
>I don’t see the point of saving
To prevent yourself from being forced to work until you’re dead.

[Anonymous No.18183659]

>>18183607
Good point. Sign up for Cryopreservation OP.

[Anonymous No.18183669]

>>18183640
This is on par with Joyce, Dostoevsky, and Pynchon, is it? Really pushing the boundaries...

[Anonymous No.18183671]

>>18183641
Sure, figured that's implied under long term saving. If you mean saving hard for early retirement, that seems a bit foolish. Not enjoying the prime of your life just to have more free time once you are past that.

[Anonymous No.18183693]

>>18183581
Well we can make an argument about it based on efficiency and advantage. It's neither efficient nor advantageous to pig out on consoomer pizza every week. However spending money to buy the ingredients and making the pizza themselves is bc it teaches skills and makes practice, encourages appreciation. So I think what is to be had here is to spend money wisely.

[Anonymous No.18183696]

>>18183671
And what does the prime of your life entail, pray tell? Spending hundreds on plastic or video games? That’s what the majority of consoomers do.

[Anonymous No.18183710]

>>18183581
Do what makes you happy and don't over-intellectualize it. Personally, I think money is better spent buying experiences (access to experiences) than material possessions. Your experiences become who you are, become something bigger. Stuff is just stuff and no matter how much of it you have or how good the quality it can't change you.

[Anonymous No.18183727]

>>18183710
T. Expooriencer

Do you think that going to Germany or Japan like most people do is good for the soul? Those places are full of degenerates and “sex work”

[Anonymous No.18183735]

Tfw bought two $300 books and was considering also buying one for $1500

[Anonymous No.18183753]

>>18183696
No, for me it implies spending the money I'd spend on two figures on a trip to the other side of europe for a weekend, meeting people, finding interesting stuff and generally having a good time. Or renting a cabin in the woods with a few friends for a few days. You get the idea.

[Anonymous No.18183756]

>>18183627
>you haven't died.
No one has. Death is not something your consciousness can experience.
You can only live other people's deaths.
>>18183630
?

[Anonymous No.18183766]

>>18183669
Filtered...

[Anonymous No.18183799]

>>18183735
If you’re a rare book collector and promise to keep them for cultural heritage, then you do a service for the world. As long as you look after them and maybe even donate them to a University Library when you pass on to the other side for Metempsychosis.

[Anonymous No.18183806]

>>18183766
What literary qualities do the Black Library possess? This is the level of their fans.

[Anonymous No.18183814]

>>18183756
>no one has died
Think about what you just said.
>consciousness can’t experience death
Read Heidegger.

[Anonymous No.18183848]

>>18183806
It's the most in depth exploration of the ultimate fight, mankind's war against disorder and suffering, achieved in the books only through chaos and suffering itself. It's about reaching for heaven through hell and the great people who lay down their lives for this ultimate goal... Or something like that, I don't know, I never read them.

[Anonymous No.18183849]

>>18183814
Attaching a picture to your post is meaningless.

[Anonymous No.18183853]

>>18183581
>What arguments can we give to young men and women not to spend their earnings on:
>entertainment,
yeah good luck on convincing people to stop doing something that has gone on longer than agriculture, humans will gladly trade their time and resources for entertainment for as long as we are human
>hobbies
hobbies are usually good if its a genuinely fulfilling hobby, writing is a hobby for man people on this board, other good hobbies include sports and handcrafts, gardening and cooking/baking are other nice hobbies
>toys
yeah this is bad, its a facet of the massive amount of infantilization that goes on in our culture, we can hope to improve it by setting a good example and articulating why those things are empty or childish, why they might find more fulfilment, and better creation in other things. Warhammer is indeed one of the most wretched examples of consumerism, artificially high prices selling to gross nerds who stopped maturing at 13.
>Netflix, Apple Music, Amazon Prime, Crunchyroll,
like I said, people aren't going to stop going after entertainment, though we can try to convince people of why these forms of entertainment might be worse for them
enjoying anime comes under the toys/infantilization thing
>or alcoholic beverages and parting?
kys loser, socialising with your fellow man is good for you and for your communities
>going to the library and spending their free time reading to enrich their minds.
bringing back better gatekeeping to discussion and belittling those who are intellectually lazy will help, though again i fear you are straying into isolated loser territory again where it sounds like you barely values outdoor activities and those that encourage face to face socialisation and the establishment of genuine human connection, enrich the mind, but enrich your body and your social life as well

[Anonymous No.18183862]

>>18183848
Well troll’d good sir.

>>18183849
Your posts were literally not even coherent.

[Anonymous No.18183885]

>>18183853
You sound like a sensualist or Camus-tier “live life to the fullest bro”. Cringe. This is your life going outside.

[Anonymous No.18183938]

>>18183607
>and your family is no longer your family.
yes it is. that's the point you retard. you are their mold.

[Anonymous No.18183944]

>>18183885
This isn’t my life going outside because I don’t live in bugman soiburbia or a large city (the latter wouldn’t be so bad as the former), I live in the countryside. What do you see as objectionable about having interests other than sitting in a quiet room reading and writing? I enjoy that but it’s not the full extent of life one can live, Camus was to some extent right, which is why he is far more tolerable than all the more whiny of those french faggots who were pessimistic about everything. What do you see as the full breadth of activities within your life? How do you spend it, and how would you ideally like to?
You can’t refute people going outside to enjoy creation just because lots of soulless proles would rather spend their time in front of a screen watching dreck because they have been partially lobotomised by consumerism.

[Anynomous No.18183964]

>>18183607
This is the way a narcissist thinks. Your family still matters. You live on through them, genetically and in memory. Not to mention, you don't know what happens to your consciousness after you die; you might come back, and our collective decisions will matter to you then.

[Anonymous No.18183989]

>>18183581
Memespeakers out!

[Anonymous No.18183990]

>>18183862
Are you an ESL? That would explain it.

[Anonymous No.18184000]

>>18183944
>a man on a literature board thinks literature is more important than “just experiencing things mannnnn”
Is this really hard for you to fathom? I do go outside quite a bit but it’s usually for walks, gym, going to office, etc.

Your countryside life sounds comfy. I’d move soon but I don’t know if I need to drive a lot.

[Anonymous No.18184013]

>>18183990
>No one has died
That is such a false incoherent statement it almost seems like the person who posted it is ESL.

[Anonymous No.18184014]

>>18183964
>This is the way X people think
Yeah, this post is a cope

[Anonymous No.18184022]

>>18184014
You don’t know what coping is. If you do experience it yourself, you’re so stuck in your own coping mechanism that you don’t realise it’s occurring.

[Anonymous No.18184034]

>>18184013
Dying is not something you do. It's something that happens to you. Is it clear now?

[Anonymous No.18184043]

>>18184034
>No one has died
>has
This isn’t a verb. It isn’t a “doing” word. You’re so illiterate that your own arguments are contradicting each other.

[Anonymous No.18184047]

>>18184022
Go on then. Tell me how "This is the way X people think" is different from name-calling.

[Anonymous No.18184067]

>>18184043
>your consciousness can't experience death. One can only have a second hand experience of death (i.e losing someone)
Why do you have a problem understanding this?

[Anonymous No.18184166]

>>18184000
>just experiencing things mannnnn
I initially cited specific examples of productive and enjoyable pastimes other than literature because the OP lumps genuinely enjoyable social events and a term as broad as “hobbies” in with shitty consumerist toys and mind parasite streaming services, not just experiencing things mannn. The implication of the OP was a life entirely dedicated to literature eschewing all other forms of fulfilment which would strike me as sad even if OP was an author or literary scholar. Literature is important, it is one of the finest forms of art (in my opinion THE finest), but OP seemed to imply some monastic fantasy (which itself isn’t even the case because monks cooked and gardened and built things as well) of entirely dedicating oneself to reading denying all other recreation.
>go outside for walks, gym, going to the office
Walks are nice but citing gym and going to work seems so utilitarian for what interacting with other people has to offer. I don’t see why you seem to draw parallels with numales when I condemned all those kinds of things he consumes and when you consider that that kind of person does not go outside very much at all.
My point is that the OP seemed to mono-focused on one thing, not that consooming is good, it’s abhorrent.
>countryside life sounds comfy. Unsure about driving a lot
It’s very comfy though the need to drive to get to most places is a severe limitation. I still think it’s worth it overall though.

[Anonymous No.18184236]

>>18183581
I don't think you can make an accessible, intelligible, and compelling argument for why people should give up the things that make them happy. Most people don't have your deeply felt urge to learn and create, especially in a Society tm that's so draining on their time and energy.

IMO consumption is a symptom of this larger problem, which is that the vast majority of people
are exhausted and desperately unhappy. People run towards consumption because it's the quickest form of relief. Funko Pops are unironically the opioid of the masses.

So I guess the thing I'm trying to say is that this is a structural problem that has to be solved by communicating in a way that clicks with an audience that we're disconnected from and frankly all look down on at some level. Can we scrape the bottom of the pan and muster up enough empathy to talk to people when we can't even agree on the root of the problem? Even if we did, how do we organize?