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18170977 No.18170977 [Reply] [Original]

>Everything flows and nothing stays.

What did he mean by this?

>> No.18170984

>>18170977
I think he meant that everything flows and nothing stays

>> No.18170985

this nigga tried to cure dropsy by covering himself in shit and sitting outside in the sun until he died

>> No.18170996
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18170996

>Heraclitus said everything was in flux.

>> No.18171016
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>>18170996
So by "nothing stays" he meant "some things stay"?

>> No.18171021

Do you want the esoteric meaning or the motivational cat poster meaning?

>> No.18171037

>>18170977
Obviousness. All is in flux

>> No.18171040

>>18171016
"Nothing stays" is not only an extreme reduction of Heraclitus' philosophy, it's demonstrably false from the fragments we have. Most obviously in the statement "ever different waters flow through the same river".

>> No.18171046

>>18171040
>"Nothing stays" is not only an extreme reduction of Heraclitus' philosophy, it's demonstrably false from the fragments we have.
The line is from Plato, Cratylus 402a, quoted by Socrates, so you'd be accusing Plato of falsifying Heraclitus then.

>> No.18171058

>there are only four ways to acquire
>anyone says different is a salesman or a liar
>you can buy it, earn it, make it, or steal it
>i haven't found a single way to keep it
>you can leash it, it'll leave
>you can teach it to stay, and it'll leave
>you can case it and display it, decay and waste it away
>and day by day it leaves you by degrees
this basically

>> No.18171073

>>18170977
>What did he mean by this?
reality is a simulation

>> No.18171102

>>18171021
motivational cat please

>> No.18171137

>>18170977
>>18168410

>> No.18171160

>>18170977
That everything is nothing.

>> No.18171168

>>18171073
That's closer to Parmenides. Heraclitus says that everything is just nothingness.

>> No.18171183

>>18171160
If static fixed objects is all that is real to you.

>> No.18171198

>>18171102
hang in there, tomorrow is a new day
hang in there, nothing bad happens twice
etc

>> No.18171237

>>18170977


HE MEANT THAT ALL THINGS ARE CONSTANTLY IN MOTION, AND THAT ALL THINGS ARE CONSTANT IN MOTION.

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>>18170985
To be fair, Heraclitus did say, "souls smell in Hades."

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>>18171198
Thanks motivational cat, I needed to hear that

>> No.18171267

>>18171183
To Heraclitus, nothing is real.

>> No.18171292

>>18171267


THAT IS FALSE; YOU DO NOT COMPREHEND HERAKLITOS.

>> No.18171298

>>18171292
You don't comprehend DEEZ NUTS

>> No.18171301

>>18171292
This very moment is real to him but it is in constant motion. He is the opposite of Parmenides' "all is one."

>> No.18171304

>>18170977
He was quoting Bruce Lee

>> No.18171327

>>18171267
His statements neither affirm nor negate reality but move past the duality of real and unreal from the onset.

>> No.18171362

>>18171046
Wrong, Plato was referring to Heraclitus' followers, in this case Cratylus who took Heraclitus' philosophy to ridiculous directions. Plato makes reference to the Presocratic view which encompasses Heraclitus', but his direct arguments against Cratylus are not a complete argument against Heraclitus himself.

Also you have to understand, this misunderstanding likely owing to the English language, that one may have the belief that nothing stays and Plato argue against that, yet not the rest of Heraclitus' philosophy.

>> No.18171377
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18171377

ANGLOIDS DO NOT COMPREHEND HERAKLITOS, THEREFORE THEY RESORT TO THE SKEWED LENS OF POSTMODERNISTIC, JUDAIZED SOPHISTRY IN A FUTILE ATTEMPT AT APPREHENSION, WHILST REGURGITATING NONSENSICAL DRIVEL IN THE PROCESS.

HERAKLITOS WAS NOT A RELATIVIST OF ANY TYPE; HE WAS NOT A NIHILIST; HE WAS NOT A FATALIST; HE WAS NOT AN ATOMIST, NOR A MONIST; HE WAS NOT A PANTHEIST, ET CETERA —STOP DISTORTING HIS PHILOSOPHY, BARBARIANS.

>> No.18171384

>>18171362
The line that I see has Socrates say:

>Heracleitus says, you know, that all things move and nothing remains still, and he likens the universe to the current of a river, saying that you cannot step twice into the same stream.

I see nothing about his followers, and the meaning seems plain and summarized in the OP. Are you telling us this is that big of a translation error?

>> No.18171413

>>18171377
>angloids
>postmodernism
does not compute

>> No.18171426

>>18171413
Yeah, like... US of A is void of postmoderns, right?

>> No.18171538

18171377
>Heraclitus
>pantheist
NO (you) FOR YOUR TERRIBLE POST TRIPFAG