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How can anyone deny the presence of the Oedipus Complex in this play?

>> No.1814907

>>1814901
Freud has ruined everything.

>> No.1814913
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1814913

Don't mind me, just passing through.

>> No.1814917

Yeah yeah yeah. Everyone wants to invade their mammy. Big fucking deal.

>> No.1814916

>>1814901 Don't you think that's anachronistic?

>> No.1814924

Psychology student here. Freud was wrong about pretty much everything.

>> No.1814974
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1814974

Freud thread?

>> No.1814981

Freud is like Messi in /lit/.

>> No.1815008

I perform Shakespearian readings of Freud and not the other way around. And Hamlet, more than any text in the world, cannot be easily reduced to a couple theories.

I like Freud but he was not a scientist, even though he tried. Do not try to read him as if he were a scientist.

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>> No.1815015

>>1815008

Freud: deal with it

>> No.1815039

>>1815014
Thank you for posting this.

>> No.1815053

>>1815014

I'm impressed he got a passing grade.

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>>1815053
That was my thesis paper.
for political science

nah jay kay

>> No.1815061

>Freud
>Not pull shit out of his ass
>Not fudge the data to get what he wants

>> No.1815071

>>1815061

fuck a datum /lit/ 4lyfe

>> No.1815073

>How can anyone deny the presence of the Oedipus Complex in this play?
How does Hamlet want to kill his father?

>> No.1815084

>>1815008
Freud was a scientist, but psychoanalysis is not scientific.

>> No.1815088

You guy's really think that analysis of dreams really doesn't work?

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>>1815061

>implying freud didn't revolutionise medical psychiatry
>implying many of his ideas aren't still used by psychiatrists today
>implying it wasn't impossible for him to conduct large scale, thoroughly scientific psychiatric testing during his epoch
>implying Freud wasn't a genius

>> No.1815113

>>1815073

Claudius tries to assume the role of Hamlet's father, of course.

>> No.1815116

>>1815106
>implying anyone in here has ever red anything from Freud and that this board isn't simply full of arrogant teenagers.

>> No.1815120

>>1815116

>implying anyone here has ever read anything

>> No.1815124

>>1815113
Which has what to do with the Oedipus complex, which involves wanting to dispatch you father to have your mother?

The link is pretty tentative. You could maybe argue that Hamlet is disturbed that he doesn't have control over his mother's sexuality, but that's a little forced.

>> No.1815130

>>1815106
>implying freud didn't revolutionise medical psychiatry
>implying many of his ideas aren't still used by psychiatrists today

>implying you have a clue what you're talking about

>> No.1815133

I deny the presence of the Oedipus Complex in "Hamlet" simply because it's absent.

>> No.1815135

>>1815008
someone's just read harold bloom

>> No.1815150

>>1815135
> implying it takes Bloom to tell you that Freud isn't just an analytic rip off of Shakespeare, Sophocles

But yeah, Bloom gets Freud. Shakespeare is a writer and not a scientist/biologist.

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>>1815130

Projection, transference, ego/superego/id, his work on the mind-body relationship, his unveiling of the unconscious etc.

You probably think Freud was all about sex, don't you?

>> No.1815161

>>1815155
>Projection, transference, ego/superego/id, his work on the mind-body relationship, his unveiling of the unconscious etc.
How are these applied in psychiatry? Big clue, some of them aren't.

>> No.1815166

>>1814901
I think the power dynamic in the play is Oedipal in the sense that Claudius had to kill King Hamlet to usurp the thrown and get in on Gertrude, King Hamlet had to kill King Fortinsbras for Norway's turf, and everybody has to kill everybody else for honor.

>> No.1815169

>>1815166
>Projection, transference, ego/superego/id, his work on the mind-body relationship, his unveiling of the unconscious etc.
Killing people for power isn't Oedipal.

>> No.1815172

>>1815166
It's not Oedipal in the father-killing/mother-banging sense, just in that you have to kill someone above you to take whatever's theirs, and doing so winds up being bad for everybody, just like it was for Oedipus.

>> No.1815174

>>1815172
Comparing the plays makes sense, Hamlet clearly has influence from the play Oedipus.

>> No.1815175

>>1815172
And I'm speaking loosely, throwing out ideas. Please don't think I'm trying to give you an e-wedgie or speak authoritatively. People on this board take shit so personally.

>> No.1815181

>>1815155
The funny thing with psycho-analysis, is, then. that most of those offended by the material, are those that the material likely applies for.

For I have noticed that most of those offended by the thought of the Oedipus complex are those that have the strongest irrational bonding with their parents, what a coincidence eh.

>> No.1815182

>>1815161
By todays standards psychology and psychiatry slowly becomes indestinguishable from biology.

>> No.1815190

>>1815182
>By todays standards psychology and psychiatry slowly becomes indestinguishable from biology.
No. Psycholgists need no knowledge of the Golgi apparatus for example.

I see what you're trying to say, but psychiatry is rather specifically about curing a problem through physical means (which may include therapy), psychology in the sense of therapy is trying to solve it through talking through the problem. While there is some overlap in practice, there's for sure a theoretical distinction.

>> No.1815194

>>1815181
'desire denialism' is hardly "most people." sure, some people who hate homosexuals may actually be homosexual, but there's no correlation between the two. get out of here with your anecdotal psychology and learn something about the field.

>> No.1815201

>>1815194
>sure, some people who hate homosexuals may actually be homosexual, but there's no correlation between the two
Actually, for that there is for sure.

>> No.1815205

>>1815190
I admit, I spent just one semestre on psychology, but all of more traditional approach was described as anachronic, and everybody was saying that the biopsychology is the main focus and the way to go.

>> No.1815219

>>1815194
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

>> No.1815229

>>1815201

prove it. until then, I maintain the myth is a form of societal projected guilt (oh, you don't like gay people? you must be gay! unless you like gay people, in which case you aren't and are cool)

>>1815219
okay, but where is the "affects most people?"

christ, summer /lit/

>> No.1815235

>>1815229

Projecting.

>> No.1815243

>>1815229
>some people who hate homosexuals may actually be homosexual
> but there's no correlation between the two
>Projection

You have problem with seeing correlations mate.

>> No.1815248

>>1815243
...show the former generally causes the latter bro.

>> No.1815260

>>1815248
er, not causes, whoops, that makes no sense. goes hand-in-hand with.

>> No.1815265

>>1815260
OR EVEN MORE CORRECTLY, that the former is a symptom of the latter. there we go.

>> No.1815267

>>1815229
Google scholar it, you either have access to the papers or you don't.

>> No.1815268

I won't go so far as to say there was a full on Oedipus thing going on

But some of the scenes with his mother were...interesting.

>> No.1815272

>>1815267
>you see, people who are X are generally Y
>prove it
>find your own source lol

summer /lit/

>> No.1815276

>>1815272
>don't do the basic research
>get called out on it
>summerfags

>> No.1815277

>implying
>implications
>implying I implicated you implied

>> No.1815284

>>1815276
actually, I used to believe psychological projection (I still prefer my own 'desire denialism') affected most people with irrational hate, but from all contacts with psychologists I've had, I've heard there is no evidence to suggest it actually is that commonplace. burden of proof is on your side, bro.

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>>1815284
Here comes the choo choo twain:
http://tinyurl.com/3k3bn5d

>> No.1815302

saged for uselessness

>> No.1815303

>>1815293
THANK YOU

/this offtiopic part of thread

>> No.1815307

>>1815293
show how the theory of anxiety, as noted in that very article, does not apply.

>> No.1815314

>>1815307
Go stick it up your ass.