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[Anonymous No.18147334]

I just realized we have no free will.

[Anonymous No.18147345]

>>18147334
Prove it

[Anonymous No.18147349]

Were you destined to learn this

[Anonymous No.18147371]

>>18147334
We have, though.

[Anonymous No.18147395]

>>18147371
Explain

[Anonymous No.18147410]

>>18147334
God gave us free will, otherwise we’d be perfectly rational

[Anonymous No.18147422]

>>18147410
How can God “give” us free will, if he didn’t already create us as slaves?

[Anonymous No.18147425]

>>18147334
We do not know precisely where our thoughts come from, so having no control on our thinking may be considered an absence of free will(?)

[Anonymous No.18147436]

>>18147422
Ridiculous question. Subfreezing IQ. Will not be engaging past this. God imbued us with the divine spark and free will at the same time as he gave us life from the dust. Child. Sophist. Pseud.

[Anonymous No.18147516]

I don't even understand what free will is supposed to mean. I can only conceive of actions that are 100% determined by past causes, or probabilistically determined by quantum effects. That is to say, random.
Neither of these situations seems worthy of calling "free will"
But I understand that science does not yet have all the answers. Still, I can't conceive of a third type of causation that would make the term "free will" meaningful.
Does anyone know of anyone who talked about exactly what is meant by "free will"?

[Anonymous No.18147532]

>>18147334
Depends what you mean by free will. We have a will but obviously what we desire isn’t in our control.

[Anonymous No.18147537]

>>18147334
Imagine a more dubious and superfluous question than one in which an autonomous and sentient being calls into question the validity of their autonomy and sentience.

The presupposition ignored being that there is an inherently recognized value in autonomy and sentience.

Since you are obviously a part of the reality you are in, this notion of value belonging to your mere self, or the integrated self with the whole, being absolute self, must confer a fundamental truth of this alleged value. Thus your experiences of autonomy and awareness must be worthwhile.

You wouldn't value your sentience or autonomy if reality did not dictate such. If your sentience and autonomy are a result of the natural processes of reality then the circut completes itself. There is no puppetry here without a lack of perception.

Being is aware of being. I am --> therefore I think.

[Anonymous No.18147548]

Free will is a logical black hole.
The argument for free will can always be cancelled out by the argument against free will.
No matter what choice you make it’s always possible that that choice was predetermined.
It’s a waste of energy to think about

[Anonymous No.18147565]

>>18147334
Correction: all you realized is that free will is not a useful concept

[Anonymous No.18147582]

>>18147537
People never consider that Reality wants to be aware of itself. As much as a human can label a human thought as a human thought, Reality can dictate something to be aware of itself or something to be aware of that thing. The whole thing is a top down simulacrum of this process.

All is mind.

[Anonymous No.18147590]

>>18147582
You're one or more of the following: teenager, woman, retarded.

[Anonymous No.18147593]

>>18147334
Ay oh, watcha gunna do a'bout it

[Anonymous No.18147604]

>>18147590
How do you know that? How do you know anything?

[Anonymous No.18147610]

>>18147590
Lot of projecting there edgelord

[Anonymous No.18147740]

>>18147334
Agreed. We can only do what individuals possessing our traits introduced to a given stimuli would always do. The feeling of free will is simply that - a feeling.