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>> No.18133466

>>18133459
>not the part where he says 'Frailty, thy name is woman'

>> No.18133472

Why do Anglos love to cancel everything but they won't cancel sHACKespeare? it truly says a lot.

>> No.18133477

>>18133472
Most cancelers don't have the mental capacity to actually read Shakespeare

>> No.18133479

>>18133472
Shut up nigger

>> No.18133490

>>18133472
He's too big to get cancelled.

>> No.18133502

>>18133472
you can't cancel him, that's like canceling Jesus

>> No.18133598

>>18133502
But Jesus has already been cancelled, goy.

>> No.18133621

>>18133502
>that's like canceling Jesus

What do you think we've been doing for the past hundred years?

>> No.18133824

>>18133490
No one is too big to get canceled.

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>> No.18133870

>>18133621
Making excuses for OT and NT inconsistencies, and now we’re trying on the jesus was a socialist hat

>> No.18133886

>>18133856
Is that A Dashiell Hammett novel? I like his style

>> No.18133888

Get thee to the nunnery

>> No.18133891

>>18133824
Yes, they are. Cancelling stuff is not even real.

>> No.18133896

>>18133490
For you

>> No.18133906

>>18133886
The Maltese Falcon.

Of course, I can't read it now without hearing Bogart's voice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPT49WXC0Zo

>> No.18133924

>>18133472
Shakespeare has so many different characters who say so many different things that if you attribute them all to him he is simultaneously a misogynist hyper religious monarchist, a nihilistic, suicidal, feminist, drunkard who also hates alcohol and thinks words are but wind but our reputation is what separates us from beasts, who hates the poor while being a zealous democrat.

>> No.18133936

>>18133924
Shakespeare was the OG schizo

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>> No.18134020
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>>18133472
>>18133502

>> No.18134030

>Kant once received a letter from a young lady who had read his works on ethics. Prizing Kant's genius, she sought advice on what she should do about a certain problem of hers. She was engaged to marry a gentleman whom she loved, but she was not a virgin. She wanted to know whether she should tell the man or keep quiet. Kant advised her that she must tell her fiancée. The fiancée broke off the marriage. Distraught, the woman wrote to Kant again, deeply troubled over the result of her decision and admitting she was having doubts over Kant's system of ethics. She asked if she might come to Koenigsberg to meet with Kant and discuss her doubts. Although he received the letter in a timely fashion, he chose never to reply. The woman committed suicide after some time.

>> No.18134033

>>18133472
Because he's such an important figure in literature and is so old that his works have had thousands of different interpretations including ones from feminists trying to force in explanations of how his female characters were actually feminist icons

>> No.18134042

>>18133896
Kek

>> No.18134048

>>18134030
damn, saved.

>> No.18134073

>>18133856
That book is one of my all time favourites

>> No.18134185

>>18134030
lmao, based af

>> No.18135314

>>18134030
WTF, is this true

>> No.18135466

>>18134030
Based,fuck women

>> No.18135538

>>18133886
Spade's (almost) monologue at the end of The Maltese Falcon should definitely be committed to memory. There are several nice Hammett moments where dames are told exactly where they stand:

---

Mimi shook her head. "These children! I mean you were pretty fond of Julia Wolf, weren't you?"

Dorothy called: "You want one, Nick?"

"Thanks," I said; then to Mimi, "I liked her well enough."

"You're the damnedest evasive man," she complained. "Did you like her as much as you used to like me, for instance?"

"You mean those couple of afternoons we killed?"

— The Thin Man

>> No.18135574

>>18133896
>Jojo music plays

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>> No.18135669

>>18134030
I think about this sometimes and smile.

>> No.18135677

>>18134030
source?

>> No.18135692

15. Mythical Anthropophagi

The man-hating woman, like the cold woman, is largely imaginary. One often encounters references to her in literature, but who has ever met her in real life? As for me, I doubt that such a monster has ever actually existed. There are, of course, women who spend a great deal of time denouncing and reviling men, but these are certainly not genuine man-haters; they are simply women who have done their utmost to snare men, and failed. Of such sort are the majority of inflammatory suffragettes of the sex-hygiene and birth-control species. The rigid limitation of offspring, in fact, is chiefly advocated by women who run no more risk of having unwilling motherhood forced upon them than so many mummies of the Tenth Dynasty. All their unhealthy interest in such noisome matters has behind it merely a subconscious yearning to attract the attention of men, who are supposed to be partial to enterprises that are difficult or forbidden. But certainly the enterprise of dissuading such a propagandist from her gospel would not be difficult, and I know of no law forbidding it.

I'll begin to believe in the man-hater the day I am introduced to a woman who has definitely and finally refused a chance of marriage to a man who is of her own station in life, able to support her, unafflicted by any loathsome disease, and of reasonably decent aspect and manners — in brief a man who is thoroughly eligible. I doubt that any such woman breathes the air of Christendom. Whenever one comes to confidential terms with an unmarried woman, of course, she favours one with a long chronicle of the men she has refused to marry, greatly to their grief. But unsentimental cross-examination, at least in my experience, always develops the fact that every one of these suffered from some obvious and intolerable disqualification. Either he had a wife already and was vague about his ability to get rid of her, or he was drunk when he was brought to his proposal and repudiated it or forgot it the next day, or he was a bankrupt, or he was old and decrepit, or he was young and plainly idiotic, or he had diabetes or a bad heart, or his relatives were impossible, or he believed in spiritualism, or democracy, or the Baconian theory, or some other such nonsense. Restricting the thing to men palpably eligible, I believe thoroughly that no sane woman has ever actually muffed a chance. Now and then, perhaps, a miraculously fortunate girl has two victims on the mat simultaneously, and has to lose one. But they are seldom, if ever, both good chances; one is nearly always a duffer, thrown in in the telling to make the bourgeoisie marvel.

— In Defence Of Women, H.L.Mencken

>> No.18136615

Is the age of women as an inspiration to men-artists over?

>> No.18136678

>>18133936
No, Will needed a paycheck.

>> No.18136802

>>18135692
>or he believed in spiritualism, or democracy, or the Baconian theory, or some other such nonsense
This requires explanation.

>> No.18137135

>>18135655
>not even good enough to stay in the kitchen
who wrote something so based?

>> No.18137274

>>18137135
Nietzsche. This is from Twilight of the Idols, if I remember correctly.

>> No.18137277

>>18134030
Kinda fucked up. She obviously loved her fiancé and also felt guilt over what she did (both are more than what you’ll get from most), and then after she willfully tells him the truth (again, more than most) Kant ghosts her… for doing the right thing? It’s like he punished her for accepting her punishment. Horrible cruelty, womanish even. I see myself in her suffering.

>> No.18137373

>>18133459
"Woman is less qualified [than man] for moral behavior. For the woman contains more liquid than the man, and it is a property of liquid to take things up easily and to hold onto them poorly. Liquids are easily moved, hence women are inconstant and curious. When a woman has relations with a man, she would like, as much as possible, to be lying with another man at the same time. Woman knows nothing of fidelity. Believe me, if you give her your trust, you will be disappointed. Trust an experienced teacher. For this reason prudent men share their plans and actions least of all with their wives. Woman is a misbegotten man and has a faulty and defective nature in comparison with his. Therefore she is unsure in herself. What she herself cannot get, she seeks to obtain through lying and diabolical deceptions. And so, to put it briefly, one must be on one's guard with every woman, as if she were a poisonous snake and the horned devil.... In evil and perverse doings woman is cleverer, that is, slyer, than man. Her feelings drive woman toward every evil, just as reason impels man toward all good."
St. Albert the Great, Quaestiones super de animalibus XV q. 11

>> No.18137398

>>18137373
>Woman is less qualified [than man] for moral behavior. For the woman contains more liquid than the man, and it is a property of liquid to take things up easily and to hold onto them poorly. Liquids are easily moved, hence women are inconstant and curious.
Did Charlie Kelly write this?

>> No.18137408

>>18137277
woman hands

>> No.18137420

>>18133502
>canceling Jesus
done in 1789

>> No.18137425

>>18137408
I wish, on me. But not any woman’s hands. My woman’s hands. On me. But I am alone with women, anyone who isn’t her. I am just a large lonely miserable man

>> No.18137435

>>18137373
>When a woman has relations with a man, she would like, as much as possible, to be lying with another man at the same time. Woman knows nothing of fidelity. Believe me, if you give her your trust, you will be disappointed.
i am glad to read the oldest red pills which still applies today

>> No.18137440

>>18137398
idk who that is but this is just basic science. you dont trust the science?

>> No.18137450

>>18135655
based bobby fischer spiritual poster

>> No.18137456

>>18137435
With women "the very consciousness of their own nature must evoke feelings of shame."
Clement of Alexandria, Pedagogues II, 33, 2

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>>18137277
>I see myself in her suffering.
You were doing fine until you wrote this, everything else was believable.
3/10, still made me reply.

>> No.18137474

>>18137470
Not sure what you mean

>> No.18137485

>>18137277
based empathetic anon

>> No.18137496

>>18133896
For the Western world

>> No.18137522

>>18137425
The traditionally masculine act is accepting punishment, living in spite of it. Effeminacy of spirit, so to speak, is to shrink away from this. Kant did well by her, but she could not accept her own consequences. It is like this with many men today; they have no backbone to shoulder the suffering inherent to earthly life.

>> No.18137542

>>18137522
It gladdens my heart to see that I am not the only one who thinks this way.

>> No.18137552

>>18137522
Anyone who suffers for nothing is worse than an idiot. Do you have any ideals? I doubt it. This woman did, and for it people turned their backs. So
I think you’re cruel and ignorant and a bit stupid, but it doesn’t really matter much to me these days. It’s so common. And it’s odd I even have the incentive to reply

>> No.18137608

>>18137552
Ideals are suffering for an absence also; they "are not", otherwise they would not be *ideals*

>> No.18137670

>>18137608
Confused with words

>> No.18137672

>>18137670
Being and non-being produce each other

>> No.18137697

>>18137552
I'm not rejoicing over a suicide. My view of suicide is that it is the worst action to take, under most circumstances. I think you're reacting more to the general vulnerability of women, (and of some men), who lack guidance in life. Lack of compassionate, pointed guidance can easily solve feelings of disarray in people's lives. Tragedies occur daily, but the least constructive thing is to succumb to the suicidal impulse.

>> No.18137714

>>18137697
>Lack of ..
Typo, omit that.

>> No.18137799

>>18137456
>the very consciousness of their own nature
If only they were capable of such self-awareness.

>> No.18137943

>>18137277
The whore was no doubt looking for a replacement for her fiance in Kant. Why would he entertain the come-ons of a whore?

>> No.18137956

>>18134030
>whore comits suicide
many such cases!

>> No.18137962

>>18137277
She was a whore and got what she deserved.

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>>18137943
>>18137956
>>18137962
No dubs says not very based, anon.

>> No.18137982

>>18137552
She was a whore and asked Kant for an opinion. Kant was honest. Not his fault the whore killed herself.

>> No.18139018

>>18135538
Hammett's the fucking man. Chandler knew this.

>> No.18139082

>>18136615
Yeah. The average modern whore isn't exactly an inspiring sight

>> No.18139163

>>18134030
/our/ autist

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>>18135314
>>18135677
Maria von Herbert suicide
http://www.phil.bilkent.edu.tr/index.php/2018/12/15/story-behind-the-picture-maria-von-herbert/

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>>18141019
WHORE!