/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18130537]

I get you lot hate Mann but give Buddenbrooks a chance.

[Anonymous No.18130550]

>>18130537
Oi mate, I'll give the lad chance, innit. Although, posh krauts ain't my specialty, innit. innitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnitinnit innitinnitinnit

[Anonymous No.18130619]

>>18130537
Its shit, like every othe book by Mann.

[Anonymous No.18130633]

>>18130537
Effi Briest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddenbrooks

[Anonymous No.18130641]

>>18130633
Kulkaschner >>>>>>> Effi Briest

[Anonymous No.18130643]

>>18130641
>Kulkaschner
the hell is that

[Anonymous No.18130653]

>>18130643
One of this literary pieces, pleb.

[Anonymous No.18130659]

Who hates Thomas Mann?
I am disgusted at this image though. I hate television. It ruins everything. Let Buddenbrooks remain a novel for christ’s sake

[Anonymous No.18130668]

Too late, I'm going to read The Magic Mountain instead

[Anonymous No.18130675]

>>18130619
Filtered: The Post

[Anonymous No.18130681]

>>18130659
>Who hates Thomas Mann
Every sane German, so not that many

[Anonymous No.18130693]

I missed I didn't buy this one in due time.

[Anonymous No.18130698]

>>18130675
Mann, Grass and Brecht are brianlet choices, epecially if you are german and have the abillity to read better books in their native language.

[Anonymous No.18130966]

read it last year, it was okay though got much better toward the end. Overall my impression of the book is middling.
Didn't help that I loved the books I read before it and after much more

[Anonymous No.18130981]

>>18130537
But it’s one of my favorite books. Doctor Faustus and a few short stories are the only things of his I haven’t read

[Anonymous No.18131156]

>>18130698
The shit? Mann is a pure pleasure, a god of the rolling rhythmic sentence. If there's real Mann hate on the board, and not just one anon who's angry about Der Zauberberg then standards have somehow slipped below the previous nadir.

[Anonymous No.18131303]

>>18131156
You're delusional.

[Anonymous No.18131331]

Hijacking this thread:
What are some good German authors to read for someone learning the language?
I was going to use Kafka but then I heard that he writes in something of Prague dialect(or accent or something) so I'm hesitant
I'm not so much concerned with the difficulty of the text in terms of vocabulary so much as the grammar being similar or same to contemporary German

[Anonymous No.18131535]

>>18131331
>wants to read german literature
>picks a jew

Read somthing by Wilhelm Raabe or Theodor Storm. You can even start with something about Wilhelm Tell, even tho his story is swiss.

[Anonymous No.18131561]

>>18131331
Kafka is a good choice in my opinion. Way easier to read than e.g Mann. It's not like I'm an expert at German but I don't see how the grammar is different at all really.

[Anonymous No.18131568]

>>18131331
>grammar being similar or same to contemporary German
Contemporary german is absolute garbage and you do not want to speak like it, so don't try to learn it. Young germans actually speak our variation of nigger speak, which is turkish Kanacksprech, YOLO anglizisms and similar Aidskrebs.

My favorite book which is written in basic german while also being intreting is "Soweit die Füße tragen".

[Anonymous No.18131587]

>>18131331
Read Fontane, he writes in a style that's not too hard to grasp. "Good German" has barely changed the last 200 years, so don't be afraid of reading older books.

[Anonymous No.18131593]

>>18131535
>>wants to read german literature
>>picks a jew
He means German-language literature.

[Anonymous No.18131595]

>>18130537
I loved Buddenbrooks. I identified with Hanno to an unusual degree. Always smile a little whenever I recall the nervous dentist.

[Anonymous No.18131617]

>>18131535
>>wants to read german literature
>>picks a jew
Good

[Anonymous No.18131635]

I am German and I love Mann, the OG Hanseat. Especially the nationalist Mann who wrote "Reflections of a Nonpolitical Man".

[Anonymous No.18131668]

>>18131635
Being swedish, it's interesting to see how close to us the germans of the hanseatic cities of the Baltic seem to be, and Mann often references "the nordic". Many characters in his novel also have distinctly scandinavian names. Are you yourself from that same region, and/or do you have an idea of what the "coastal german" attitude towards Scandinavia is? My grandmother was a complete germanophile and I inherited a bunch of german lit from her, but I've yet to learn the language, and haven't had the opportunity to visit Lübeck yet.

[Anonymous No.18131680]

>>18131568
I meant more in the sense of proper German, the kind I can write in a language exam
That's a very interesting reck though, thanks
>>18131587
Does that 200 years include Goethe? I've read his stuff in English already and I'd love to read the original

[Anonymous No.18131727]

>>18131680
>Does that 200 years include Goethe?
Goethe's writing is a little more complicated, I definitely wouldn't start with him. And if you read Goethe start with his prose. Faust would be the end boss.

[Anonymous No.18131750]

>>18131561
From what I remember there's some weird conjugations/irregular verb use, but it's comprehensible and the structures of sentences are the same. Mann is not as difficult as you might think - need to get the elevated vocabulary, but he's far more accessible than colloquial or modernist writers. Still not for beginners - most people do that Schlink book or Parfum or Kaestner

[Anonymous No.18131787]

>>18131331
I read Kafka in German and it was intelligible to me. My mother tongue is Dutch though and I have had German class at school for 6 years.

[Anonymous No.18132266]

>>18131668
>Are you yourself from that same region, and/or do you have an idea of what the "coastal german" attitude towards Scandinavia is?

Yes, I am from Hamburg, but my parents are from Lübeck. I agree about the similarity. The attitude towards Scandinavia is very positive. It's often seen as a place of longing and it's pretty much a constant cultural presence somehow. I also have a Swedish ancestor who ended up here during the 30 years war.

[Anonymous No.18132378]

>>18132266
Thank you for responding, anon. It's always interesting to hear how one's country is seen by foreign nations, particularly the ones one already respects. Been wanting to learn german for a while now - until 1945 it was the most important second language one could acquire, though it was replaced by english right after that point - but I've had some difficulty getting to it. Funny to think that the language puritans of the late 1800s were concerned with the great influence of low german and its many loaned words.

>Hamburg
Another city I'd like to visit. It's not even a long journey, I just lack friends with any sort of interest in Germany and its cultural output (my grandmother lead me to Mann, Goethe etc. and Mann in turn led me to Wagner, Beethoven). Funny thing about the swedish ancestor too. I bet I have at least one german merchant or two down the family line as I'm from Gothenburg myself.

[Anonymous No.18132463]

>>18130550
fpbp

[Anonymous No.18132519]

>>18132378

Anon, before your trip falls through because of a lack of willing friends I'll gladly be your guide and silently drink tea with you in true Nordic fashion.

[Anonymous No.18132528]

>>18130537
People only hate the sanctimonious post-WW2 Mann, not Buddenbrooks/Magic Mountain era Mann.

[Anonymous No.18132538]

>>18132528
*not the Buddenbrooks/Magic Mountain era Mann.

[Anonymous No.18132549]

>>18132528
>sanctimonious

Was he supposed to defend a state that wanted to throw him in an oven? He always defended Germany, he just grew up.

[Anonymous No.18132603]

>>18132519
I've actually considered going by myself, might give it a shot this autumn or next summer. Some key german cities to begin with, I think, then in the future I'd like to visit the Habsburg axis of Prague - Vienna - Budapest.

[Anonymous No.18132630]

>>18131303
>He didn’t like Der Zauberberg
The Magic Mountain, AKA The Great Pleb Filter
Back to r*ddit with you, subhuman

[Anonymous No.18132653]

>>18132603

Sounds good. I love traveling alone.

[Anonymous No.18133667]

>>18131617
After reading some of his poems he seems like a basic bitch Romantic. Why is he so promoted?

[Anonymous No.18133687]

>>18130537
People hate that he was an incestuous sodomite, not his works.

[Anonymous No.18134580]

>>18132630
>the gay mountain
>pleb filter

[Anonymous No.18134652]

>>18133667
Because like a bunch of other degenrates his works have been considered harmfull to the german spirit by the nazis. So automatically post war the Frankfurt School and americans promoted him and made him and a couple other peak gay and subverting writers obligatory reaing for all german schools. So today most people only know them thanks to having to read him there, which makes them think their works are the best germany has to offer. Not only that, but somehow even conervative amerimutts came to think of those coward faggots are peak german lit, shilling shit like Hesse and Brecht on here - that is if they don't go full retard promoting Kafka.

[Anonymous No.18134807]

>>18131787
>Kässkop speaking post-Herzinfarkt german
>has no problem understanding Kafka

[Anonymous No.18134812]

>>18134652
There are lots of Jewish writers that are better than Wagner.

[Anonymous No.18134837]

>>18131617
>eternally salty about Goethe not even aknowledging his existance
>whole life post Goethe basically trashtalking and shitting upon actual romanticism, openly saying that the inert beauty in it is kitsch
>only known because his trash got rightfully turned into fertilizer
Jews are why we can't have nice things.

[Anonymous No.18134841]

>>18134812

[Anonymous No.18135348]

>>18130537
I'm reading Buddenbrooks, currently just more than halfway to finishing it. The only reason I've made it this far is because it's a recognized classic, easy to read, and somewhat amusing.

[Anonymous No.18135389]

>>18134652
Mann was not made by the Nazis, he won the Nobel in 1929, but don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda /pol/scummer

[Anonymous No.18135575]

>>18135389
>he won a Nobel in
Oh ah wow, that changes everything!
And lest we forgett: He got nominated because a) there were no better candidates in this year and only for his at this time 30 year old Buddenbrocks, not Zaubeerberg which was written under his wolly new ideology, and which was hated by the jury for it's braindead modernism. The only person actively pushing him was the modernist Anders Österling, the person which also actively spoke against JRR Tolkien getting one in 1961 because "his prose didn't qualify".

Nobelprizes in literature are just as much of a joke like the Gramies and Mann is trash no matter brainlets like you think about the board which lives rent free in your head.

[Anonymous No.18136053]

>>18130653
Bullshit
Kulkaschner ist not a word and not a text by anyone either

[Anonymous No.18136167]

>>18135575
you unironically type like you didn't finish 3rd grade. go actually read the things you're shitting on before slurring out autistic drivel about them on /lit/ you faggot.

[Anonymous No.18136204]

>>18130537
>you lot hate Mann
what, no we don't

[Anonymous No.18136247]

>>18136167
Cope - the post.

[Anonymous No.18136338]

>>18136167
Post library before trying to shit on your betters imlying inferiour reading status or education.

[Anonymous No.18136500]

>>18136338
>no timestamp
Find a cool library on google images, add some noise, flex on normalniggers.

[Anonymous No.18136504]

>>18134841
cope

[Anonymous No.18136518]

>>18136500
You're getting real desperate, fren.

[Anonymous No.18136522]

>>18136500
But thanks for the compliment.

[Anonymous No.18136549]

>>18136518
>>18136522
I would smell your shelves, female

[Anonymous No.18136594]

>>18136518
>find timestamp library picture on google
>add some noise
>shoop the finger nails
>pretend to be female
Stop flexing on dickniggers

[Anonymous No.18136878]

>>18136518

LITERALLY BUILT
god your nails make me hard

[Anonymous No.18137170]

>>18130668
based

[Anonymous No.18137181]

>>18136518
you will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.18137238]

>>18134652
You'll have to grow up one day, you know. Hopefully you're under 23.

[Anonymous No.18137438]

>>18131331
The thing about Prague dialect is bullshit. There might be a bit of a very slight colourisation in his language, and he doesn't have a clean and lucid style, but its still easily understandable.

[Anonymous No.18137455]

>>18131568
You seriously think when someone learns modern german they learn anglicisms and arab slang? Fuck off, what a few teenagers speak isn't representative of the actual academic language, and modern german is still mutually intelligible with the german of even three hundred years ago (only thing that changed significantly in the last 200 years is spelling)

[Anonymous No.18137656]

>>18134652
Which German writers do you put above Mann?

>>18134812
Like who? Vasily Grossman?

[Anonymous No.18137761]

>>18137656
There are too many to name even most of them, But even such modest works like the Wehrwolf by Hermann Löns surpasses Mann without even trying. And if you haven't read Wilhelm Raabe or Theodor Storm, what are you even doing with your life?

[Anonymous No.18137947]

>>18137656
Did you just post in my Book Club, Ben?

[Anonymous No.18139039]

>>18137656
Answer me, Ben.

[Anonymous No.18140895]

>>18132630
Joseph and His Brothers is Mann's only Book

[Anonymous No.18140951]

>>18130981
You saved the best for last, anon. Dr Faustus is his masterwork.

[Anonymous No.18140986]

>>18130537
>I get you lot hate Mann
The Magic Mountain has been a /lit/ favorite for years. It's always been a staple of the "comfy winter reading" threads.

[Anonymous No.18141951]

>>18134812
What does Wagner have to do with this?

[Anonymous No.18141984]

>>18141951
Most Jews hate Wagner because he wasn't too fond of their behaviour. Not having read too much, Jews and their apologists will pick up random names which represent this mindset and claim that they aren't even that good compared to some noname kikel.

Just another cope for those feeling inferiour.

[Anonymous No.18142616]

>>18130641
Did you just make up a word?

[Anonymous No.18143819]

>>18130537
>/lit/ hates Mann
What? I thought he was beloved here. In any case, Dr. Faustus and The Magic Mountain are superb novels.

[Anonymous No.18143909]

>>18137761
OF COURSE the first recommendation that comes to your mind are books that were celebrated in natsoc Germany, after shitting on an author whose books were burned in 1933.

[Anonymous No.18144323]

>>18143909
The classical german canon was celebrated during the natoc times, it takes an unironic retard to boil down Löns, which died 1914, as fucking natsoc lit and getting butthurt because people consider him, Raabe and Storm superiour to an overhyped faggot. With that mindset you can't enjoy any traditional german literature outside of maybe Schiller and Goethe.

[Anonymous No.18144378]

>>18135575
>The only person actively pushing him was the modernist Anders Österling, the person which also actively spoke against JRR Tolkien getting one in 1961 because "his prose didn't qualify".
Are you holding it against him? JRRT should have never sniffed a Nobel and rightly so.

[Anonymous No.18144394]

Death In Venice is fucking awesome.

[Anonymous No.18144528]

>>18144378
I'm not sure what anon was smoking as the Academy hardly hands out its prizes based on single works. I know one member of the academy disliked Der Zauberberg and made a comment on it. As good as Buddenbrooks was and is, I doubt it was enough on its own.