/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18126043]

Why is this interpreted as being so gay?
Can classicists (ie women) not comprehend non-erotic friendship between males?

[Anonymous No.18126061]

>>18126043
Socrates gets in bed with the hottest guy in the world and doesn't fuck him. The hottest guy ever then gives a speech about how much he wishes Socrates would fuck him.

[Anonymous No.18127427]

bump

[Anonymous No.18127432]

>>18126043
>>18126061
Even if socrates doesn't talk about sexual comment everyone else does. Use your head.

[Anonymous No.18127485]

>>18126043
>Why is this interpreted as being not gay? Can /pol/tards (ie incels) not comprehend erotic friendship between males?

[Anonymous No.18127513]

why is it that there are so many women in classics?

[Anonymous No.18127521]

>>18126043
If people interpret it as being pro homosexual sex they're legitimately retarded.

[Anonymous No.18127524]

>>18126043
Allan Bloom didn't help

[Anonymous No.18127525]

>>18127521
It is multiple people giving their various views on the subject of love. As with Plato's othwr dialogues, many different opinions are brought up.

[Anonymous No.18127548]

>>18127525
I know, that's (part of) why I'm saying it's ridiculous to just say "duhh it's pro gay sex".

[Anonymous No.18127826]

>>18126043
>non-erotic friendship between males
You fool. For Plato, all true love is erotic.

[Anonymous No.18127830]

>>18127826
>he thinks erotic means sex

[Anonymous No.18127848]

>>18127830
Eros was the god of physical love.

[Anonymous No.18128778]

>>18126043
Socrates loved taking it up the arse, and Plato, Xenephon, and the like wanted to pretend that he didn't. That is all.

[Anonymous No.18128781]

tfw no cute bf to pursue the love of wisdom with

[Anonymous No.18128798]

>>18126043
Classicists are either retarded or autistic. I don't know how or why but they're always like this.

[Anonymous No.18128803]

>>18128781
This

[Anonymous No.18128813]

>>18126043
>Can classicists (ie women) not comprehend non-erotic friendship between males?
They are literally talking about Eros you faggot.

[Anonymous No.18128867]

>>18128781
>>18128803
Based

[Anonymous No.18128876]

[Anonymous No.18128900]

>>18126043
because we live in the gayest time in human history and faggotry has spread to everything

[Anonymous No.18128905]

>>18128900
>because we live in the gayest time in human history
not remotely

[Anonymous No.18128912]

>>18128905
see
you project all your faggotry onto the past

[Anonymous No.18128927]

>>18128912
>project
cope.

[Anonymous No.18129775]

>>18128927
>cope
cope.

[Anonymous No.18129811]

http://www.banap.net/spip.php?article202
Read the three sections. It deals with the perception homosexuality in Ancient Greek society and among its philosophers.
>spoiler alert: Plato was against homosexual activity

[Anonymous No.18129820]

>>18127830
anon I . . .

[Anonymous No.18129851]

>>18129811
This is mostly unobjectionable, however
>pederasty was mostly limited to the ruling class and pederasty therefore for the most part was socially acceptable in practical terms the laws were rarely enforced
I would like to see more evidence for this commonly repeated assertion, which I have seen several other sources criticise as baseless or at least ambiguous. I can't think of any primary sources that refer to attitudes or practice of pederasty as class-based. And the prevalence of pederastic motifs in myth and popular entertainment seem to contradict this idea.

[Anonymous No.18129866]

>>18129811
Also although Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle are of course the three most important Greek philosophers, they constitute a very close circle. Other philosophers had more positive attitudes toward it, like Plutarch for instance, and certain speakers in Plato and Cicero's dialogues. The number of important poets expressing pederastic affections isn't negligible either.

[Anonymous No.18129880]

>>18126043
there is overwheling use of sexual vocabulary all over the place anon, learn greek instead of reading translations by prudish scholars

[Anonymous No.18129904]

>>18129811
Also this website denies AIDS. Kek
http://www.banap.net/spip.php?article285

[Anonymous No.18129921]

>>18129904
Oh man, I never knew that.
As long as their articles on Ancient Greece are decent.

[Anonymous No.18129990]

>>18129921
The guy seems interesting, in a somewhat sad sort of way. I can only find this one article about him.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2001/9/27/can-this-man-make-you-straight/
I think it's strange to emphasise the 'ex-gay' aspect, and especially to spend lots of time on issues like the fabrication(?) of AIDS and the question of a genetic basis to homosexuality. Because otherwise the sort of postmodern historiographical stuff about the constructed gay identity is essentially academically mainstream. The ex-gay thing is just a put off. I prefer the Catholic Church's approach to homosexuality:
>2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
>2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm
I don't understand why it's not enough to simply ask gays to be chaste. Why all the other stuff? The AIDS shit seems more liable to push people away than to convince them.
t. formerly religious homosexual

[Anonymous No.18130001]

>>18127513
There's a lot of young adult lit inspired by greek mythology. Also, the status of Sappho as a lesbian icon.

[Anonymous No.18130040]

>>18127513
The education system is designed for women. My English classes all amounted to writing meme level poetry and blogposting about our feelings

[Anonymous No.18130062]

>>18126043
Just guys being bros, talking about their love of tight boy ass

[Anonymous No.18131250]

>>18129904
>this website denies AIDS
The quality level of /pol/acks' "sources"...

[Anonymous No.18131327]

>>18126061
base volcel

[Anonymous No.18131390]

I remember a lot of the people in that dialogue continually mentioning how the wider world just doesn't get their male philosopher relationships so it seems even in Greece back then the average Greek thought even the supposed platonic male relationship was kinda gay and cringe.

I definitely started viewing ancient Greek culture as being a lot less gay after having read it.

[Anonymous No.18131393]

>>18127485
cope!

[Anonymous No.18131404]

>>18127513
So they can inject poz as they have been programmed by the jew-owned media from childhood.

[Anonymous No.18132130]

>>18127848
>>18129820
Not for Plato.

[Anonymous No.18132876]

>>18132130
Source? Plato uses the term eros in many ways. He uses it to refer to bodily desires (sex, food, etc.) often. I believe in The Republic he says that true eros is the love of beauty and order under moderation or something. One thing is certain though: Plato constantly uses eros to refer to self reproduction mediated through the mental, as well as the physical. Love by it's very nature is an attempt at self extension. Love of the beloved, the family, the state, etc. The "substrate" doesn't matter. To me, he makes this so clear it's like he's slapping you in the face with it over and over.