The worst part about reading ancient philosophy is knowing that all of their ideas get BTFO by modern science

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Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:03:05 2021 No.18120073 [Reply] [Original]

The worst part about reading ancient philosophy is knowing that all of their ideas get BTFO by modern science

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:04:59 2021 No.18120079 wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:08:50 2021 No.18120090 >>18120073 Parmenides was entirely correct. Cope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:09:28 2021 No.18120093 >>18120073 But Plato was ultimately proven correct.

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Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:15:32 2021 No.18120121

Despite what everyone else on here will say, you are one hundred percent correct. The only real reasons for reading much of it are:
1) You need to know who these people were, what they believed, why they reached the conclusions they did etc. if you want to read and understand much of the stuff that has been written and said since.
2) Training your ability to spot bullshit, even though the opinions of people who lived thousands of years ago are low hanging fruit.
3) Finding the occasional diamond in the rough. This is super rare and usually has nothing to do with their views on scientific matters anyways.
4) Getting some perspective on how radically different people used to think and behave.
5) Realizing how retarded much of what "The Greeks" said actually is.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:16:13 2021 No.18120123
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Science is for literal retards. It is a degeneration. Literally the lowest level of reality is mistaken for all that exists and matters. Once one has a mystical experience they will realize that people millennia ago had it all figured out and were right about literally everything.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:19:24 2021 No.18120131

>>18120121
Of course, the guys in here who have wasted years of their lives obsessing over a few dozen Greek men who lived thousands of years ago because they saw some MS Paint-made charts on an internet forum for anime nerds cannot afford to admit any of this. Nor can the people who actually paid to study this shit and now have to cope by telling themselves they are smart for "knowing the classics" or whatever, lmfao. If they did, they would also have to admit that their "interest in philosophy/history/literature/Western culture/whatever buzzword they use" is built on a foundation of bullshit, and that they have never had an original thought in their lives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:22:17 2021 No.18120146 oh no no someone post the image with scientists quotes praising plato and the Vedanta...

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:22:22 2021 No.18120148 >>18120131 >built on a foundation of bullshit p value > 0.05

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:22:55 2021 No.18120152 File: 609 KB, 900x1200, 012wWX5dxMqj.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18120131 That was it. Now prepare for an army of buttmad Grecoboos swarming the thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:24:46 2021 No.18120156 >>18120121 >>18120131 >void is real therefore Aristotle was wrong! Peripateticbros... we got too cocky!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:38:29 2021 No.18120201 >>18120073 >all of their ideas get BTFO by modern science Yea, ideas like virtue, happiness, ideal society, divinities and epistemological status of reality. Totally BTFO

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:39:57 2021 No.18120206 >>18120131 >original thought in their lives AHAHAHAHAH

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:45:32 2021 No.18120225 File: 15 KB, 474x316, ass.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18120121 >>18120131 Go back.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:47:31 2021 No.18120231

>>18120201
Every single one of those have been btfo by science
>virtue
Retarded concept made up by homo sapiens, no proof besides feels and opinions of slightly more intelligent great apes. Completely debunked nonsense
>happiness
Some want, need or desire the biological organism has is taken care of. Quickly leads to boredom and the pursuit of further "happiness" aka freedom from suffering. Also debunked
>ideal society
Pipe dream and massive cope, made up by homo sapiens who can't deal with the fact that the world will always be imperfect. The collective juvenile daydreams of humanity. Debunked.
>divinities
Debunked. Over before it even began. Inventions of primitive societies who lacked the technology and knowledge which would have revealed the true nature of the processes around them
>episetmological status of reality
Debunked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:48:52 2021 No.18120238 >>18120231 Man, that was easy lmfao. Looking fwd to all the seething responses

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:49:12 2021 No.18120239 Which english translation of Homer should I read?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:49:33 2021 No.18120240 >>18120073 >>18120121 Faggots.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:51:30 2021 No.18120245 >>18120240 And yet, no one has provided evidence for the supposed intellectual greatness of people who were closer to being cavemen than modern human beings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:51:33 2021 No.18120246 File: 108 KB, 1200x633, DgdpdK2WAAAVmpY.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18120231 Wow, i take my words back. You really are smart. Can you solve me this one too? What does science say about this one?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:53:10 2021 No.18120252 >>18120201 lol epistemological status of reality. hahaha.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:55:32 2021 No.18120268

>>18120246
Retarded and made up non-problem cooked by an Anglo woman with too much time on her hands. You either kill one person, or you kill five people, that's it. Impossible choice, but this absurd situation is completely unrealistic, so who cares? Very few, if any people are gonna have to make that choice. Do as you please. How is this even an issue for people? Oh wait, I forgot, most people still believe in free will and morality. Fucking hilarious lmfao

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:56:35 2021 No.18120274 >>18120268 Of course killing someone sucks and you will probably suffer some kind of psychological damage from having to decide what to do, but it's a retarded philosophical question.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:57:29 2021 No.18120277 >>18120245 Yes they have, and 21st century man is closer to cavemen than they.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:57:37 2021 No.18120278 >>18120268 >>18120274 Sure, but what does the science say about this one?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:57:37 2021 No.18120279 >>18120225 Guy who made those posts here. I hate Pinker. Try again

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:59:10 2021 No.18120288 >>18120278 Nothing, science is just as retarded as every other field. Here is a nice little paradox for you: Philosophy of science, with the help of science itselfm debunks most of science.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:01:01 2021 No.18120294

>>18120277
lmfao imagine thinking a person who lived and acted more like an animal than what we would consider a human being is an "intellectual" in any way, shape or form. It's like revering tribal healers, witch doctors and shit in some modern day African slum. Makes you look like a retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:01:04 2021 No.18120295 >>18120288 So greeks are retarder, philosophy in general is retarded, modern science is retarded. Sooo, what is NOT retarded?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:07:15 2021 No.18120318 >>18120231 >>virtue >Retarded concept made up by homo sapiens read Macintyre and Anscombe you brainlet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:11:25 2021 No.18120335 >>18120231 What about logic? Was it also debunked?

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:12:27 2021 No.18120340

>>18120294
Stop philosophizing you sophist, the "human" is nothing more than a collection of atoms. You disagree? You're no better than religitards.

If you want to start getting into definitions by what we now "culturally consider", then you should just convert to Christianity and be done with your absolute philosophy.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:13:04 2021 No.18120343

>>18120295
Nothing, but that is also a retarded thing to say. This is the eternal paradox and the end point of philosophy. Once you realize how retarded everything is, you also realize how retarded you are and how little you know. You realize that most of what we want to know, and even what we think we know, is fundamentally unknowable because we were designed for survival, not "truth" (there goes that word again. If only more people came to terms with the fact that no such thing exists, and that the quest for "truth" will lead nowhere...) Now, you have a few choices. You can do like most people and simply ignore "the truth" (remember, "the truth" is a retarded concept, I'm just explaining what most people end up doing) for the rest of your life. Most people do this, at least to some degree. Most people ignore it completely, while people who are slightly more intelligent integrate some parts of whatever "truth" they think they've found into their world view, while leaving the inconvenient parts out and adding little lies. Example: "The universe is inherently meaningless and life is but a journey into oblivion... but! Human beings can create their own meaning hahaha... trust me". This is what you see I Fucking Love Science reddit people and /lit/ posters (those of them who don't lost themselves in the obscure, retarded, meme-tier shit that is posted on here) do. If you don't want to do that, you can take the schizo route. Find some bullshit religion, philosophical doctrine, political ideology, you name it. Doesn't matter if it's the work of some charlatan, dead or alive, (doesn't matter if it's Evola, Guenon, Marx, Spengler, Jesus, some breadtuber or alt-righter, some politician in your country... literally every thinker you can think of) - and devote yourself to whatever bullshit suits you best. This is also a massive cope and retarded for reasons I don't have time to get into here. You may go insane, get sick, have some unforeseen thing happen to you etcetc no matter what you do. Another option is suicide. Ooooor.... you could live out the rest of your life in awe at how retarded everything (including yourself and your beliefs) is, only to die in the end and have nothing of it matter (nothing mattering is also a human idea, which means it is also retarded). In the end, the only solution to and defense against being a retard is dying or never having been born. Any questions?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:13:28 2021 No.18120347 >>18120073 thanks for reminding my this board is full of psueds who havent read the booms they’re talking about :/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:14:22 2021 No.18120352 >>18120121 this is some neil degrasse tyson shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:16:06 2021 No.18120359 >>18120318 All they did was prove how retarded people can be and provide people like you with appeal to authority cope material. NEXT!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:17:09 2021 No.18120364 >>18120335 Debunked 100&

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:18:48 2021 No.18120372 >>18120343 No questions, sir. And I don't really like psychoanalysis. G'day.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:19:17 2021 No.18120375 >>18120352 Insane how even some onions cringe IFLS pseud like him knows more than the ancient Greeks about basically everything

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:20:26 2021 No.18120377

>>18120372
No questions because I solved all of philosophy and proved how it is a huge waste of time. The only good thing philosophy can do is reveal the absolute retardation of human beings, including yourself. You will have to live with the knowledge of your own retardation until you die

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:24:46 2021 No.18120391 >>18120377 >[philosophy] is a huge waste of time This implies something is NOT a waste of time, which contradicts your previous statement about axiological nihilism aka reatrdation. Rookie mistake

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:25:52 2021 No.18120394 >>18120391 Everything is a huge waste of time and contradictory

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:26:39 2021 No.18120399 >>18120394 Woah, cool it with the nihilistic absurdism!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:27:25 2021 No.18120403 >>18120399 Cool it with the contradictory retardation

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:29:09 2021 No.18120406 >>18120394 Time will judge us. Speak as you like, but you are still human and still affected by the flow of life. Even the most nihilistic ideas are not timeproof. This is the final redpill, not your bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:30:42 2021 No.18120413 >>18120406 I know that my own ideas are based on bullshit, and that, because free will doesn't exist, I can't even decide what to think. Doesn't matter if I'm wrong or right, I can't do anything about it

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:31:50 2021 No.18120416 >>18120413 Also, there is no final redpill. The concept of a redpill is just as flawed as literally everything else

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:03:52 2021 No.18120545 >>18120340 >atoms an abstraction made by the mind grouping sensory objects into substantial categories

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:08:45 2021 No.18120562

>>18120545
Wrong. The whole human, animal or plant is the abstraction away from raw fact. It is a description from a particular view, where science has no single view. It is an infinite whole, and an infinitesimal part. You cannot make judgements about one being truer.

You are a faggot philosopher and should kys and stop pretending to be critiquing what you are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:12:02 2021 No.18120574 >>18120073 I dont even have time to respond to bait such as this

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Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:17:50 2021 No.18120591

You start with the Greeks but of course you move on to contemporary philosophy eventually to get the whole picture. The problem I have with philosophers these days is that they are usually too entangled in the ideas of people they have read to really think or even dare propose something original.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:21:54 2021 No.18120599

>>18120574
Stop deluding yourself
You can't argue for shit

The reading of Philosophy offers you a good skillset and a clarity of life
But my problem is with midwits who read it and take it as the endgame of life, guve it highest priority. But when you argue with them, can't form arguments to save their lives
Take it as an art form
And shut the fuck up

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:22:50 2021 No.18120602

>>18120562
based retard. all your data from the world comes from your own mind, which understands its surroundings through five senses. the concept of matter is derived from that which is sensible, meaning it is an empty concept that in actuality denotes anything existing as being made of that which is sensible

tldr you’re a gay fag

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:28:20 2021 No.18120617

>>18120599
I could destroy you in any argument if were talking about the sheer mechanics of logic, and that's entirely due to my training in philosophy.
You, assuming you are the OP, dont actually sound like you understand what philosophy is beyond memes.
The Greeks are still relevant because of the questions they asked, not necessarily the solutions they proposed; and this is true for all philosophers of merit, from all times and in all places.
In some cases, our best physicists are uncovering evidence that simply UNDERMINES the conventional wisdom in the past 200 years of science while AFFIRMING ideas that roughly half of the educated world thought were total bullshit, such as with quantum mechanics basically proving Plato correct versus Aristotle, even though Aristotelian methods were used for the past 2000 years to get us there.
But you probably dont understand one word of this. Stick to green eggs and ham, or to "cool modern science" books, you neil degrasse Tyson tier faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:28:33 2021 No.18120620 >>18120073 >gets debunked by modern science Doesn't know that both religion and philosophy gets rebunked by darwinism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:31:34 2021 No.18120634 >>18120268 I disagree with your first posts in this thread but concede you have a point here. The trolley problem is a stupid dilemma and you should aim to save everyone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:35:04 2021 No.18120645 >>18120602 Science disproves you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:35:47 2021 No.18120651 >>18120620 Darwin wasn't an atheist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:37:12 2021 No.18120656 >>18120231 If you dislike society so much why don't you just move to the wilderness? Or better yet, kill yourself?

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:37:20 2021 No.18120657

>>18120634
The trolly problem and all other dilemmas are false dilemmas relying entirely on a cowardly assumption that drives most of human ethical consideration: "would I risk my life to save others or to preserve my own dignity?" For most that answer is "no."
I was given a similar dilemma by an ethics prof years ago: a man has me at gunpoint, hands me a gun. Tells me to shoot one of my friends or shoot about twelve strangers. Save one friend or twelve randos. I said I'd try to shoot my captor. My teacher says this is inadmissible because theres a near certainty I'd die. I said id still rather do it because it's the only acceptable ethical option to me, and death is worth the risk.

People are fucking cowards with no honor, theres your real trolly problem.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:39:22 2021 No.18120664

>>18120651
Pretty much no srs thinker/philosopher prior to like 1920 was an atheist because for most of the modern age, science's success only served to further prove the existence of God and us as his agents, in other words, it was extremely obvious to all thinking men.
Somehow this got reversed, now scientific discovery is taken as further evidence that God cant or doesnt exist? Never understood it.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:42:25 2021 No.18120682 >>18120090 Who? Do you mean Archimedes? >>18120093 In what way?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:42:36 2021 No.18120685 >>18120674 >You split Zeno of Elea's boypussy >YES.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:44:04 2021 No.18120693 >>18120335 logic was litteraly debunked by presocratics

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:46:35 2021 No.18120704 >>18120685 Epicurus didn’t seem to be into that sort of thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:47:53 2021 No.18120711 >>18120704 I thought it was the OP statue from a different angle. I am face blind. Sorry.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:53:53 2021 No.18120726 >>18120123 Best post >>18120073 OP you are a literal retard I hope you got the "vaccine" and realize how retarded you are

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:04:01 2021 No.18120758

>>18120231
They are not substances that can be rejected. Happiness is by-proxy. The argument of what aesthetically constitutes happiness is dependent on virtue, and virtue is a social-economic system just like any of the complicated systems required to produce the tools necessary for scientific experimentation (philosophy), which tends to lead into the discussion of an ideal society. The genesis functions of the entirety of the respective system are dependent on the epistemological status of reality, which is? Divinities are by-proxy mysterious. Has mystery been debunked? I don't think it can be, because mystery is mystery by proxy.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:12:35 2021 No.18120784
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>>18120073
>>18120121
t.

The Greeks were correct about everything, and what we know about the universe was already largely known by the previous big civilization that later disappeared. Go search the Antikythera mechanism if you think they didn't have "instruments" to inquire reality.

The most dumb thing of this thread, I believe, is that you very mention "ancient philosophy" when it was precisely THAT philosophy and THAT polytheistic religion the best all-embracing worldview we ever had, and in particular the only conception that comes close to ours. It comes close, I must precise, still remaining superior. The knowledge of physics and chemistry alone, deprived of the sacred and the transcendental (which you only ascertain through intuition – and modern science delegitimizes and dismisses intuition) is necessarily inferior. It takes long years of study, research and reflection to acknowledge this – you can hardly grasp it in your 20s, and you will be completely and irremediably mislead if you only listen to the media and contemporary science institutions. The idea itself that "the ancients were wrong" and that science is the only truth is a made-up idea. Ancient knowldge should be thought of as a completion of modern science. Or is it rather the opposite, modern science is a supplementation of ancient wisdom? Most likely so.

b8 thread overall

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:19:16 2021 No.18120805

>>18120121
> the greeks
you fucking dumb kike, when we first said "the greeks" we meant homer, pindar, aeschylus, etc. and all the other authors who still are among the best reads a modern man could do. when we mean plato, it is for his literary quality and that alone, not for his opinions or because anyone would take philosophy seriously on here.
the greeks are important because they are artists and because there you find pure europran-ness, not because we need to trust or follow their specific opinions.
moshe, all your points aim just to one purpose: utility. but reading literature is absolutely useless, as well as watching the sunset or having sex with a condom. this you will never understand.
also go back to r.eddit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:24:29 2021 No.18120825 >>18120073 Early scientists in Europe were all keenly aware of arguments from authors like Lucretius and Epicurus. It's not a BTFOing as much as it is an intellectual development.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:27:35 2021 No.18120829 >>18120664 read theophrastus redivivus from the xvii century. read leonardo da vinci's notebooks (xv century). that's full atheism, it even includes mocking on god, religion, priests and all that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:29:19 2021 No.18120833 >>18120093 nigga they believed the Earth was flat

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:32:00 2021 No.18120843 >>18120833 Plato didn't. Read Timaeus.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:33:01 2021 No.18120848 >>18120829 Boccaccio also frequently mocked the church.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:35:49 2021 No.18120857

>>18120833
No they didn't. They knew the Sun was in the centre and they knew the existence of other galaxies. Before the Greeks someone had also discovered the outer planets of the solar system and they probably knew how to manufacture an atomic bomb. Read more nigger.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:38:42 2021 No.18120867 >>18120829 Leonardo would despise our world if he could see it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:39:18 2021 No.18120869 >>18120073 yea prove it doe

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:42:08 2021 No.18120876

Nietzsche talks about people who get so caught up in the theory of modern science in his work Beyond Good and Evil. The delusion develops when you use science as a 'be all and end all', and not as a way to understand the world as quantifiable data that humanity is more developed to understand. Questions of ontological origins will never be answered by science, as the two concepts have arisen from a dichotomy of ideas. Truth isn't objective, no matter how much this was drilled into you. Times change, modernity is in a constant state of becoming, and science is constantly being left behind. Here's a quote that really sums up the degeneration in scholarly scientists:

The objective man is a reflective tool

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:51:45 2021 No.18120900 >>18120123 Fuck it, I'm in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:54:38 2021 No.18120909 I only started really diving deep into philosophy once I realized that "science" is pretty much bullshit (I am a STEM PhD). Now I am trying to find answers elsewhere. Anyone else can relate to this?

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:00:03 2021 No.18120927 >>18120343 Imagine being this retarded. Yikes. Filtered hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:06:22 2021 No.18120951 >>18120073 >>18120121 >>18120131 this is b8 right? nobody can be this Midwit on the lower IQ scale

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:08:04 2021 No.18120959

>>18120909
I don't think the issue should be presented as an aut/aut. Modern and contemporary science (I'm especially thinking about physics and astronomy) offer us a wealth of knowledge and notions that are even beautiful in themselves. But if men don't move forward from that rich materialistic base, what they can claim to "know" is very little. Here is where ancient philosophy comes in and acquires renovated meaning to give us a more broadly and overarching wisdom. Completing (and actually deepening) the "lowest level of reality" (as the chad over there put it) with spiritual awareness is the only way to become a superior mind in our shallow "civilization".

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:11:48 2021 No.18120965 >>18120246 That is one of the most retarded things ever conceived. Believing it is some "profound" philosophical issue is immediate proof that you're dumb as fuck.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:12:29 2021 No.18120967

>>18120848
but not religion. he was no atheist. epicurus, lucretius, etc were atheist. after the diffusion of judaeo-christianity, the first true atheist ( phenomenist, physicalist , mechanist, opnely hostile to mysticism, ecc ) is leonardo da vinci.
>>18120867
> our world
if you mean science and empiricism, he basically invented both.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:13:22 2021 No.18120968 >>18120246 All these psychopath replying, wondering why this is a moral problem. this BTFOs virgin incelz atheist elnlightened fags

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:14:42 2021 No.18120971 >>18120967 >the first true atheist ( phenomenist, physicalist , mechanist, opnely hostile to mysticism, ecc ) is leonardo da vinci. what a fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:15:51 2021 No.18120976 The worst part of reading /lit/ is OP

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:16:05 2021 No.18120977 >>18120927 He is right though

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:17:47 2021 No.18120981 >>18120682 for instance, math being self referential demonstrated by Gödel. It's only an image of the highest truth

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:22:16 2021 No.18120996 >>18120343 I think I know you. Are you Italian?

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:23:41 2021 No.18121003

>>18120971
who? me?
> “nissuna umana investigazione si po dimandare vera scienzia, s’essa non passa per le mattematiche dimostrazioni. E, se tu dirai che le scienzie, che principiano e finiscono nella mente, habbiano verità, questo non si concede, ma si niega per molte ragioni. La prima, che in tali discorsi mentali non accade esperienzia, senza la quale nulla dà di sé certezza”
> Mia intenzione è di allegare prima l’esperienza, e poi con la ragione dimostrare perché tale esperienza è costretta in tal modo ad operare. E questa è la vera regola come gli speculatori degli effetti naturali hanno a procedere. E ancora che la natura cominci dalla ragione e termini nella sperienza, a noi bisogna seguitare in contrario, cioè cominciare... dalla sperienza e con quella investigare la ragione
> Il resto della definizione dell’anima – dice in un punto – lascio nella mente dei frati, padri de’ popoli; li quali per ispirazione sanno tutti li segreti

this is bertrand russell tier atheism

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:25:52 2021 No.18121011 >>18121003 yes you for misunderstanding purposefully ambiguous post and no leonardo was a retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:25:57 2021 No.18121012 Not about the afterlife.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:31:11 2021 No.18121032 File: 515 KB, 536x930, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18120231 Holy shit Postmodernism is based

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:31:24 2021 No.18121035

>>18120967
>if you mean science and empiricism
No, I mean our world, our time, our present age and all that surrounds us, both material and abstract. It's all a dump of garbage and excrements of the human vileness, despite the valid knowledge that we hold in our libraries and databases. Leonardo would be enraptured by the wealth of notions and discoveries, but he would also cry for the state of people, and despair at how the world appears, so devoid of beauty and higher meanings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:40:13 2021 No.18121060 >>18120967 However he used to talk about a Superior Ratio or divine Necessity that governs the universe. It can just be viewed as another conception of God.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:42:40 2021 No.18121066 >>18120121 >>18120131 Materialism is still demonstrably false.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:44:00 2021 No.18121072 >>18121066 It is false, period, not "demonstrably false". That is an oxymoron.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:47:36 2021 No.18121084 >>18121072 It's false and can easily be demonstrated to be false through reason. That's why the Platonists BTFO out the Epicureans so hard that Materialism was a joke metaphysics for over 1000 years

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:54:17 2021 No.18121102 >>18121084 >That's why the Platonists BTFO out the Epicureans Then why Mediterranean countries are largely Epicurean?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:57:20 2021 No.18121110 >>18120876 >>18120959 /lit/ erudites redeeming the board >>18120073 >>18120121 >>18120231 /lit/ proving it's also a home for midwits

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:01:04 2021 No.18121122 >>18121084 >through reason Sorry. If you meant through reason I take that back. I agree.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:05:55 2021 No.18121138 >>18120876 >>18121110 >The objective man is a reflective tool This statement is objective so it BTFOs itself.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:12:25 2021 No.18121162

>>18121102
>Mediterranean countries are largely Epicurean?
Lmao where does this shit come from? Spain was the most Catholic country for centuries, and Italy is imbued with Neoplatonism and Pythagoreanism. If you meant to say that Mediterranean countries are more "edonistic" than others, then be aware that pleasure and good life are not in contradiction with Platonism. "La dolce vita" is not a teleology, but merely a supplement to the actual spiritual worldview.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:14:05 2021 No.18121170 >>18121138 No it doesn't, the objective man isn't the same as an aphorism criticising him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:17:04 2021 No.18121177 >>18121170 That statement applies to all objective men without 0 error. This makes that statement an objective statement. Therefor it is a huge contradiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:18:08 2021 No.18121183 >>18120657 tell him you don't have friends

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:18:11 2021 No.18121184 >>18121162 I am talking contemporary Med countries you retard. None of them of largely theistic and none of them are largely Platonic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:20:26 2021 No.18121192 >>18120657 just block the train with your own body! the post

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:23:27 2021 No.18121200

>>18121177
You have no idea the premise behind being an objective man, it is the pursuit of objectivity, not the objective itself. The aphorism doesn't claim to be objective, it merely points out flaws in the outlook of those individuals. This isn't some paradoxical problem. Have you even read Beyond Good and Evil?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:23:32 2021 No.18121201 File: 238 KB, 1280x825, 1609652395503.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If you reject the existence of the transcendental the price you pay is forever having a fundamentally irrational worldview.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:24:55 2021 No.18121208 >>18120073 >The worst part about reading ancient philosophy is knowing that all of their ideas get BTFO by modern science Imagine being so retarded you have no idea that they don't even tackle the same subject matter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:26:33 2021 No.18121213 >>18120909 yes, just be radical on epistemology, ie remove everything that's not certainty, and do meditation

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:27:45 2021 No.18121215 >>18121184 So, like any other Western country?? Globalization is a thing, you know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:28:34 2021 No.18121217 >>18121200 It does symbolizes to know the 100% truth about objective men. This is an objective claim about all of them.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:29:16 2021 No.18121218
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>>18120909
You can never look at the world the same again once you realize the basic view of it people take for granted is loaded with a whole host of enlightenment assumptions that are almost certainly wrong.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:31:36 2021 No.18121228

>>18121215
Europe has a strong intellectual culture and it is not like their are retards who can't make reasonable decisions about preferable lifestyles. If Platonism did really BTFO'd Epicureanism then Europe would have been largely Platonic after the disintegration of theism.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:33:33 2021 No.18121241

>>18121228
>If Platonism did really BTFO'd Epicureanism then Europe would have been largely Platonic after the disintegration of theism.
Europe was heavily influenced by Neoplatonism for most of its history. Theisms decline is due to Kantianism, not Epicureanism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:34:33 2021 No.18121249 >>18121218 what book

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:34:36 2021 No.18121250

>>18120657
Good post. The fact that modern libtards and scientists think they can find objective/universal ethic rules through these dilemmas seems so retarded to me. The only thing that these games make evident is that everyone would react differently according to their own personality, thus confirming that these are NOT dilemmas or paradoxes of ethics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:36:01 2021 No.18121259 File: 30 KB, 333x499, 1614346718088.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18121249 Returning to Reality: Christian Platonism for Our Times

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:38:08 2021 No.18121270

>>18121217
No it isn't, what the fuck are you talking about haha. Once again, it's criticism of the pursuit of pure epistemological objectivity, disregarding ontology and not realising the fallibility of current 'facts'. Please read before commenting on something you have no apprehension of.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:38:49 2021 No.18121274

>>18120073
Metaphysics cant be debunked exacly because they talk about non-material stuff, and ethics are still extremelly userful for self improvement. Among the three big fields of ancient philosophy the only one that modern science made completely obsolte is physics

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:39:47 2021 No.18121280 File: 43 KB, 612x612, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18121259 Thank you

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:40:31 2021 No.18121283

>>18121241
I am talking about their lifestyle in contemporary era.
Platonism was popular because it got easily mingled with the beliefs of status quo of that time. When Epicureanism started spreading like a wild fire in Med and Middle east. They simply persecuted them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:41:48 2021 No.18121292 >>18121270 Calling them fools is also an epistemological objectivity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:43:30 2021 No.18121299 >>18120876 I can't be sure of that, truth has to be a constant and our perception of truth humanly based and all the constructs we do with our imperfect human nature will be vulnerable to mistakes. Same goes for all human knowledge.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:46:35 2021 No.18121315

>>18121241
Your argument doesn't go anywhere. Epicureanism, from what little we know of it, is just an attitude among others, and it simply didn't have the same influence that Platonism had. The fact that we now live in atheistic times doesn't mean we have adopted the Epicurean worldview, but rather that we have abandoned and forgotten the teachings of Plato and Plotinus. We are fluctuating in an air vacuum, and that is simply called nihilism.

>>18121228
This

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:48:42 2021 No.18121321 >>18121315 Roman Steiner. Meme worth at best.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:48:43 2021 No.18121322 >>18121315 >Epicureanism, from what little we know of it, is just an attitude among others Epicureanism is a specific philosophy with attached commitments for epistemology, metaphysics and ethics. It is not an "attitude".

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:51:11 2021 No.18121337 >>18121315 >nihilism Are you retarded? How could a state be nihilistic

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:52:50 2021 No.18121341 >>18121292 No it's not

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:56:03 2021 No.18121351

>>18121322
Oh, yes? And what is a philosophy, if not a mental attitude towards reality? Your fussy remark doesn't change what I said. Epicureanism is a specific philosophy among other specific philosophies, and it didn't have the same magnitude that Platonism had.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:57:50 2021 No.18121356 >>18121341 Yes it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:59:30 2021 No.18121361 >>18121321 >>18121337 >>18121322 In my post (>>18121315) the quotations were clearly swapped (fucking 4chan mobile). I hope you realized it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:00:07 2021 No.18121363 oh god I'm debooooonking

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:00:58 2021 No.18121366

>>18121292
This guy is literally retarded and cannot grasp the concept of criticism. He's saying that using fallible scientific facts to define your perceptions and critical thoughts around is limiting and last man behaviour. What's so hard to understand dumb fuck?

>muh scientific objectivity cannot be criticised!

Read the book of stfu.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:01:17 2021 No.18121367 >>18120977 Nope, he isn't

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:03:19 2021 No.18121381 >>18121366 >He's saying that using fallible scientific facts to define your perceptions and critical thoughts around is limiting and last man behaviour. This is an objective statement.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:07:14 2021 No.18121396 >>18121356 No, it's not. It develops from critique of the fallibility of modern scientific methods to arrive at objectivity. You fail to see the distinction between interpretational critique and proclaiming as fact.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:08:16 2021 No.18121406 >>18121381 Lol who claimed it was objective? It's a criticism of a logical method, not a declaration of facts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:10:23 2021 No.18121419 >>18121396 You can't critique someone without believing in some objectivity. >>18121406 Calling them fools is a declaration of a fact.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:12:34 2021 No.18121429 >>18121184 >>18121228 >Europe has a strong intellectual culture Shit bait. Plenty of Platonists in academia in Europe though. Maybe even the majority.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:19:24 2021 No.18121454 >>18121419 >some kind of objectivity Now you're getting it

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:23:12 2021 No.18121470 >>18120231 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:31:14 2021 No.18121494 materialists need to die

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:40:45 2021 No.18121538 >>18120073 They are far from perfect, but Parmenides and Aristotle have reached the highest level of intellect anyone has ever attained in history.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:43:45 2021 No.18121552 >>18120231 Materialists truly are life negating.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:45:08 2021 No.18121558 >>18121552 The man who has given up trying to reach for the sky can only slump and stare at the ground

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:46:58 2021 No.18121572 >>18121558 Careful bro, someone in this thread is saying you can't criticise scientific objectivity because it is "objective"

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:49:52 2021 No.18121584

>>18121558
>The man who has given up trying to reach for the sky
Yes I do spend 10 hours my day trying to use higher beings as Djinn to fulfill my material and hedonistic wishes and it fails every time but I blame dumb retards that question my faith, and this is my whole life. How could you tell?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:53:37 2021 No.18121597 File: 90 KB, 1200x525, 1588044427738.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18121584 You're supposed to use the realization of transcendence to overcome material and hedonistic desires, not fulfill them. That's where you're going wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:55:45 2021 No.18121607 File: 27 KB, 752x596, 1615161714247.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18121597 So if you do not believe in science and also do not give a shit about this god nonsense where do you go?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:58:04 2021 No.18121614 In 1000 years the current era(from the "renaissance" to now) will be know as the lowest dark age of all time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:00:45 2021 No.18121622 >>18121552 how so ? >>18121027 there is more life and meaning in a square inch from a painting by leonardo than in the whole bible.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:04:37 2021 No.18121631

>>18121622
>there is more life and meaning in a square inch from a painting by leonardo than in the whole bible.

>book of wisdom is less soul than a painting of shity realism with emotional capture by a hack, where if the same painting was conceived today, it would not make it into gallery, not fame

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:07:16 2021 No.18121638 >>18120093 theory of recollection was BTFO by the neurosciences which explain how we learn things we didn't know before, pleb

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:09:18 2021 No.18121643 File: 22 KB, 348x499, 1606071990809.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18121638 These guys disagree

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:09:51 2021 No.18121645 >>18121643 finna check that book out, thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:10:24 2021 No.18121647 >>18120073 >random fuck makes OP calling Plato a pseud >all of /lit/ spergs on him and says he’s retarded >I make OP calling Plato a genius >all of /lit/ spergs on me says Plato was retarded What gives?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:12:11 2021 No.18121655 This thread is why philosophy is necessary.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:12:50 2021 No.18121656 >>18120231 >happiness isn't real pack it up folks this guy has solved the problem

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:12:57 2021 No.18121657 >>18121614 you're peak midwit

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:13:25 2021 No.18121659 >>18121657 no u

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:13:41 2021 No.18121662 >>18121657 >>18121659 just fuck already

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:15:47 2021 No.18121665 >>18121657 no, what's peak midwit is this: >>18120413 >>18120416

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:20:01 2021 No.18121675 >>18121614 Nah, from the French Revolution onward. Before that we had very good thinkers in Machiavelli, Hobbes, Leibniz, Hume, and Kant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:21:38 2021 No.18121681 >>18121657 >>18121659 >>18121662 >>18121665 t. midwits

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:21:52 2021 No.18121684 >>18120805 This guy is even lower IQ than the poster he's replying to

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:29:19 2021 No.18121709 Longer the post to articulate meaning, lower the IQ of the poster.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:33:29 2021 No.18121725 >>18121647 like 5 people on this board actually read plato and the rest are just shitposting randomly. i've seen entire threads of people "discussing plato" where they all operate on vague guesses and on-the-spot wikipedia skimming

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:34:02 2021 No.18121727

Grad school and the academic environment, for all the downsides, are filled with an incredible amount of personal freedoms and interesting people. You set your own schedule, pursue your own things, and you live based upon your reputation. It's a perfect place to stand out if you are persistent and want it. Many people would love to keep that fire burning. Some others are more practically minded and want to get a more traditionally good job from the start. You can make a lot of money for being a cog in some dumb machine--not to belittle the idea. But who ever felt stimulated by designing a way to make a process 0.01 % more efficient? It's just a day job at that point. Over the course of grad school it is impossible to not break eventually. The situation is just that terrible, really. Many people who love the idea of being in a playground of ideas and personal reputations give up the dream and "sell out" to go to industries. I know a lot of people who would have LOVED to be profs but just didn't have steam left at the end and left academics.

This creates a perceptual dichotomy between academics and people who leave. Academics see themselves as the "true intelligentsia" who had the wherewithal to make it through the storm. And, despite what you hear on 4chan, many researchers are able to make positive contributions to their own sub fields. I work on drug platforms that are not far from the beginnings of clinical trials, for instance. Whereas those who go to industry are seen as willing to sell out the idea of actual science to be a simple wagie. They're beholden to the machinations of large, faceless companies like IBM, Dow, etc. They can't just can an experiment and go have a coffee date with the prof down the hall to talk about pharmokinetics and shit. And the flip side of that is a lot of people who WANTED to be profs but go to industry always feels a sense of sadness over the idea. When those people tried to fuck you over why not laugh?

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:34:35 2021 No.18121730

>>18121725
not the anon you're replying to, but i agree
i recall one anon commenting on plato's philosopher king and being so wrong about it that it's clear as day that he didn't read "the republic"
i'm scared of thinking how many people here actually discuss things they haven't read or of which they only have read a summary on wiki

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:35:05 2021 No.18121732 >>18121725 I demand you expand on the claim, provide analytical proof, post references and sources upon which you base your hypothesis as factual. Unless you do that you are farting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:39:39 2021 No.18121750 >>18121675 Leibniz is the only one there who I would consider a good thinker. The rest are trash.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:40:51 2021 No.18121757 >>18121732 lol he lives 24/7 on here and 95% of his posts are muh wikipedia skimming (= clear skeleton in the closet). he keeps repeting the same thing in the same sloppy style over and over and over. truely a subhuman.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:41:06 2021 No.18121760

>>18121675
There's nothing good about Machiavelli. Not good from an analytical standpoint, in terms of effective tactics and in terms of the nature of political power. Not good in terms of morals. Not innovative, as speculum principis was pretty much a genre from the late middle ages up to the renaissance. Machievelli is pure crap, one of the dumbest and with the most irrelevant content out of all famous authors.

Hobbes is as bad as Decartes. He has relevant contributions to "the sciences" and logic, but his most famous work is utter trash. At least his influence was not as great. Kant and Leibniz are more cultured than him, but they also reach stupid conclusions. Kant especially is found of this "royal society of sciences" mindset, this (pre)positivist ideology that stains the modern mind.

Hume is decent, but even then, he's maybe the best there is from the moderns, along Locke, Husserl and CS Peirce, and all of them are retarded in comparison to Aristotle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:43:12 2021 No.18121772 File: 8 KB, 150x150, Tomisbestfish.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18121727 I think you have a very, very naive idea of academia. People often leave it because it is silly and they become disillusioned, not because they fail at it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:43:24 2021 No.18121774 >>18120123 >epic anti-materialist post >Dr. Manhattan chad wut

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:43:54 2021 No.18121775 >>18121727 Hundreds of years of Academia, millions of people went through it and not a single person remotely comparable to Aristotle has been the result of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:45:58 2021 No.18121782 File: 1.20 MB, 1500x2348, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18121614 *from the "Enlightenment" to now FTFY

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:48:25 2021 No.18121790 >>18121655 Pointless observation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:50:06 2021 No.18121800 >>18121675 >Before that we had very good thinkers in Machiavelli, Hobbes, Leibniz, Hume, and Kant Holy shit is this bait?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:56:01 2021 No.18121822 >>18121760 >and all of them are retarded in comparison to Aristotle why do you think this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:56:04 2021 No.18121823 >>18121800 Machiavelli is based. Hobbes is onions. Leibniz is semi-based. Hume is based. Kant refuted Plato and Aristotle, making him giga-based.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:58:52 2021 No.18121831 >>18121823 >philosophy is a game of "refuting" Okay epic memer, back to plebbit now

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:03:54 2021 No.18121853 >>18121831 Have sex

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:04:17 2021 No.18121855

it is obvious that absolutely no one deems philosophy a serious or important thing today. "philosophers" are a constant object of derision and despise, especially by plebs and women which have an animal-esque instinct for that. unlike the 17th century, high IQ people today just don't specialize in sociology/philosophy: it is not just a problem of the discipline itself, which btw is theology-tier, it is just a matter of brutal evolutionary selection.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:04:31 2021 No.18121856 >>18120651 My point was that both religion and philosophical virtues are evolutionary advantageous.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:05:36 2021 No.18121863 >>18121853 That's exactly what others would suggest to you

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:05:55 2021 No.18121867 >>18121855 >which btw is theology-tier If only.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:07:08 2021 No.18121873 >>18121855 >IQ stopped reading there

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:08:29 2021 No.18121879 >>18121863 >>18121867 >>18121873 Cope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:15:56 2021 No.18121918 >>18121867 >>18121873 just remember this: high IQ people see you as you, a dumb philosopher, see a theologian. come to think about it, theologians are probably more respectable: in the end their work is necessary to priests.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:17:42 2021 No.18121929 >>18121918 >IQ stopped reading there

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:18:48 2021 No.18121937 >>18121855 that's because the atheists have created the dogma of atheism, which neuters any philosophers and makes philosophy an intellectualism. Before atheism, philosophy was lived, never a career, and not studied by bourgeois kids in university.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:20:57 2021 No.18121948 >>18121929 t. 12 iq philosopher

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:24:11 2021 No.18121964 >>18121750 >>18121760 >>18121800 You all got filtered but especially the guy who wrote a long post and thinks Locke was a good thinker

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:24:45 2021 No.18121965

>>18121822
First, nothing tops the Organon + Poetics and Rhetoric. Those books are simply correct and they deal with some of the most fundamental themes of reality. Other works of Aristotle are quite good too, though some sound stupid and incredibly outdated now, such as his celestial physics or when he talks about elements(it's really no better than early greek philosophy physics). His Biology is in some senses above the current discourse, because he takes entelekia and teleology into account, which people disregard now.

Aristotle has built a full system to explain everything. Perhaps the only thing he didn't attempt to write about was on the specific technique of some crafts(like arts or construction), but probably because he didn't think that was needed. That is not to say he didn't write about art or engineering, he just didn't do it like a technical, pedagogical book. No one has done anything like such a system, before or since(and don't tell me Hegel did it).

He has many, many problems, but that's because of how much he has written and how much information he had to work with in the first place. Even without considering his handicap he is still better than everyone.

What people call the scientific method is already in Aristotle, but complemented with everything else which is part of reality and epistemology.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:25:58 2021 No.18121970 >>18121965 Read Michelstaedter you fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:29:35 2021 No.18121984 >>18121970 Not him but people like you who namedrop someone and act aggressively but without any substance are the biggest effeminate midwits on this board.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:34:04 2021 No.18122002

>>18121965
>Those books are simply correct and they deal with some of the most fundamental themes of reality
I agree, but we're past his logic now (as well as his literary analyses and rhetorics). You also can't judge someone for not doing what he does, since no one can repeat his accomplishments. He was the base of the pyramid, but there certainly were people who built on it and who are as good as him.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:34:45 2021 No.18122003

>>18121984
I have already made a lot of long and well-thought posts in this thread, I won't debate again with a random person who arrived at the last minute. It's just that I honestly think that anyone who worships Aristotle and science as you do, is deeply, painfully, tremendously, hopelessly stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:37:43 2021 No.18122017 >>18122002 >t. anglo analytic/STEM undergrad

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:37:54 2021 No.18122019 >>18120231 based psychopath

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:38:11 2021 No.18122023 >Thales dabbing on the Chicago exchange before it was even invented

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:38:24 2021 No.18122024 >>18122017 except i'm not

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:56:42 2021 No.18122108 >>18121614 the actual state of this board. Absolutely laughable and pathetic

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:05:26 2021 No.18122154 >>18121855 ...and?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:07:50 2021 No.18122165 >>18120231 retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:15:50 2021 No.18122212 >>18122108 >>>/reddit/

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:20:33 2021 No.18122229

>>18121675
I agree with this guy, the renaissance was the start of the slippery slope but it could have stopped simply in the pre-enlightment period, also notice that the enlightment was a scheme in the hands of the monetary elite so MAYBE it could have happened regardless of the renaissance; the main force behind the french revolution were bankers.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:39:16 2021 No.18122304

>>18122229
>the main force behind the french revolution were bankers.
Doubt it. It was just France being retarded and bankrupt, as well as a general collapse of hierarchy after retards and women learned to read and started demanding "rights". Bankers were controlling Italian city states and they were doing great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:40:44 2021 No.18122314 >>18120981 So math is true. That’s it? It’s not like he invented/discovered it. This is the guy famous for “forms”. Which is pretty trash

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:47:13 2021 No.18122360 >>18122314 Holy retardation batman

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:58:50 2021 No.18122405 File: 452 KB, 1400x1400, GettyImages_455483622.0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18120784 >Go search the Antikythera mechanism if you think they didn't have "instruments" to inquire reality. It's not exactly an iPhone is it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:58:59 2021 No.18122407 >>18120231 >le epic mass reply xD xD Have a (You), cringe redditman

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:01:45 2021 No.18122422

>>18122405
>>18120121

Reminder that if you believe in scientific realism, you literally believe that there is an immaterial symmetry group SU(3)×SU(2)×U(1)× P(1,3)
living outside the universe and yet governing every interaction in the material universe without even being able to explain how immaterial rules act on matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model_(mathematical_formulation)

>What are the metaphysical assumptions of current science?
These are the assumptions:
The problem of induction isn't a problem for some reason.
Empiricism is accurate.
Mathematical realism is true.
Group opinion (peer review) is a legitimate means of discerning reality.
Positivism is accurate.
Repeat apparent occurrences of events means those events are legitimate and real.
Objects maintain identity over time.
Having a doctorate means something of value.
Scientists also reject that value statements are legitimate even though they use them all the time.

Atheists have replaced ''God'' with ''The bigbang''. Atheists have never obseverd a bigbang, they have never replicated it, and yet they said it existed. Christians never witnessed God,and yet they say God exists. The best part is that each one of those God and Bigbang leads to inchorent views....

>first there was nothing
>then suddenly, out of this nothingness, everything came to exist. btw this is against all laws of physics which we so adore, as it breaks the conservation of energy and the principle of causality
>then from this initial universe which was just tiny subatomic particles, in a few billions years stars and planets and galaxies were created somehow
>then one on of these planets, earth, somehow, out of a bunch of random molecules in a primordial soup, life started, actual living beings came to be created from this molecules
>then a few billions years after that, through evolutions, these primal living beings became sentient, advanced creatures capable of contemplating their own existence

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:01:56 2021 No.18122424 >>18120123 Ultra-based

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:03:23 2021 No.18122433 >>18122405 Well, it's better than an iPhone.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:07:07 2021 No.18122454

>>18122304
The king couldn't pay his huge debt, and it is reknown that bankers incited the population to revolt - we all know the big amount of propaganda fed to the population.
French autism was a tool not the mind, even today normies are mainly manipulated by media (and who's behind the media? We all know).

>>	NIGGERMAN Tue Apr 27 10:11:03 2021 No.18122487 File: 13 KB, 226x226, NIGGERMAN.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] NIGGERMAN

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:23:59 2021 No.18122558 File: 598 KB, 967x945, CD11EDFE-5C81-41A8-A0BD-EBC52FB1F5C1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18122422 >Christians never witnessed God,and yet they say God exists. Speak for yourself

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:29:51 2021 No.18122594 >>18120073 Modern philosophers sure ain't shit on ancient ones. Muh can we know anything for real just fuck off retards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:32:02 2021 No.18122603 >>18122594 this desu

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:35:37 2021 No.18122986 >>18122594 This.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:57:12 2021 No.18123472 File: 326 KB, 1200x1160, MyLegsAreOk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18122487 THIS DISCUSSION OF REALITY, PHILOSOPHY, AND SCIENCE ARE DRIVING ME INSANE! AAAAAAAAAH SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:09:34 2021 No.18123528

>>18121855
>>18121855
>it is just a matter of brutal evolutionary selection.
Just say that industrial evolution, fast information and two WWs where heroes died so pussies can live and moan how hard is life and form a philosophy supposed to give peace, but it does not and we still have wars and threat of nukes.

In fact it is those that implement philosophy in their life in addition to everything else that are at a huge advantage. By implementing it excludes retard philosophy majors who work at McDonalds wondering why they wasted 4-7 years on nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:13:11 2021 No.18123552 >>18120968 It's not that it isn't a dilemma but that it is a very specific one that isn't relevant to most people's lives and that leaves out a lot of different factors.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:38:01 2021 No.18123688 >>18120231 >t. thinks the shadows on the cave wall are real lmao b u g m a n

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 14:10:46 2021 No.18123887 >>18120073 These chumps got HUMED >>18120121

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 14:27:31 2021 No.18123968 >>18120599 Funny. Plato reviews this exact same argument in his works. Maybe you should start with the Greeks.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 14:41:14 2021 No.18124043

>>18121622
>there is more life and meaning in a square inch from a painting by leonardo than in the whole bible.

> And when a great multitude had gathered, and they had come to Him from every city, He spoke by a parable: 5 “A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell by the wayside; and it was trampled down, and the birds of the air devoured it. 6 Some fell on rock; and as soon as it sprang up, it withered away because it lacked moisture. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. 8 But others fell on good ground, sprang up, and yielded [a]a crop a hundredfold.” When He had said these things He cried, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

Luke 8:4-8

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 15:47:58 2021 No.18124364 >>18122422 based as fuck. argument of authority, opinion of the majority, anti-intellectualism, a rejection for studying the history of knowledge and constant self-praising are the main characteristics of the scientific ideology.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:57:54 2021 No.18124732
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>>18121622
>there is more life and meaning in a square inch from a painting by leonardo than in the whole bible
Lmao, there is more life and meaning in one story in Genesis than the entire body of works Da Vinci ever produced. Let alone the NT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:43:27 2021 No.18124959 >>18122422 and yet science has gotten us to the moon, hmm...

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:56:41 2021 No.18125044 >>18124959 Anti-materialists think the world is flat and that the moon landing never happened

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:11:15 2021 No.18125145 >>18122422 Doesn't phenomenology solve the problem of induction? It's only a problem for dualist epistemologies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:34:53 2021 No.18125300 >>18121638 gotta be careful putting Socrates' words into Plato's mouth. the theory of recollection is developed by Meno and Socrates because Meno thinks that learning is the same as memorizing.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:53:14 2021 No.18125427

>>18120073
What pre-socratics discovered through reasoning alone:
>universe expands and contracts, the beginning of expansion is a huge explosion (Big Bang)
>Earth stands on air (gravity)
>Earth revolves around the sun
>Everything is made of atoms
>Humans evolved from fish

They just used different terms but the conclusions have been all proven true and not only that but it inspired scientists such as Darwin and Copernicus. Modern STEM bugmen are just soulless automatons so they will never know about any of this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:54:44 2021 No.18125439 >>18120121 >>18120131 Best posts on /lit/ YTD, many anons deservedly BTFO and left spitting and sputtering. Good contribution.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:01:56 2021 No.18125476 >>18120073 Epicurean physics is amazingly similar to modern science, and solely derived from reason. Talk about Chads!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:24:10 2021 No.18125630 File: 87 KB, 999x769, 1616449498322.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18120123 b a s e d

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:25:10 2021 No.18125638 >>18120833 No

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:27:33 2021 No.18125650 >>18120996 yes

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:34:40 2021 No.18125691

The scientific method is a way to come up with simplified mathematical models that you can use to predict very unsophisticated and movement of physical systems. That's literally it.
Anyone who thinks it in any way proves or disproves any philosophy at all, doesn't understand science nor philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:35:46 2021 No.18125696 >>18125691 *unsophisticated and simplified movement of physical systems

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:44:49 2021 No.18125743 File: 147 KB, 308x164, 4D8022B3-E757-42D3-8AF8-2F10923FBF85.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18125691 Cope

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:45:43 2021 No.18125748 >>18125743 You will never be a scientist nor will you ever be intelligent.

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Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:54:58 2021 No.18125814
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>>18120231
See, you've used reason to arrive at your belief, which you hold above other beliefs, meaning there is objective truth that isn't necessarily derived from experience. You have 'argued' for your opinion, which I take to be inspired by other beliefs of yours taken from some 'scientific fundamentals' (you're an epistemological foundationalist).

Kant already proved that we can, through experience, learn of unchanging truths (this he called synthetic a priori knowledge). In classical Humean epistemology, there are only "Matters of Fact" which are synthetic a posteriori and "Relations of Ideas" which are analytic a priori (truths of this category are true by virtue of what the definitions entail, meaning these types of propositions are tautological). However, using mathematics as an example, we know that "1+2=3", but to say that its analytic is to say that the predicate "1" carries within it every other number (2+1=3, 3+1=4, ad infinitum). This is clearly absurd. The synthesis of “1” and “1” creates something outside of itself, a predicate not contained within it but which is connected to it. Thus, here we have a synthetic form of knowledge, as the truth of the predicate is not contained in the subject, but is true a priori.

There are other truths that are synthetic a priori, like the principle of sufficient reason. This is one metaphysical principle that springs forth a great number of metaphysical systems. Schopenhauer used it in his "World as Will and Representation" to argue for the necessity of the subject-object dichotomy, and how all is one in its noumenal form (and only multiplicitious in its phenomenal expression). Many theists argue for the existence of God as the first cause given the logical impossibility for a non-necessary physical and contingent first cause (Aquinas demonstrated that God is purely actual, necessary, atemporal, and more from this). All this from a Foundationalist and reason-based method. Even your own philosophy has real problems, like the problem of induction, the fact that something came from nothing violating all known principles and scientific laws, as well as the irreducability of consciousness (which is contrary to what eliminative materialists would assume). Given your pompous arrogance and low intelligence (something that cannot possibly be changed), I suggest that you kill yourself.

(1/2)

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:01:23 2021 No.18125853

>>18125760
He's right. Science is just a matter of measuring objects. And a measure is always a comparison between one thing and some other thing. It tells you nothing about the nature of said objects. And more, what about how you perceive and think about said objects, what is the nature of that? Whenever people try to discuss about those themes they get shut down by morons like you. It's anti-intellectualism.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:11:54 2021 No.18125907 >>18120123 This is brainlet cope, the most prominent scientists in history were not materialist bugmen but 180+ IQ chads who were often spiritual, religious, polymaths and philosophers.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:12:50 2021 No.18125916
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>>18125814
If value doesn't exist, then all that matters for the human is pleasure and the avoidance of pain/suffering. Here's the problem, in this physical/material world of ours, pain and suffering are the default state of things. They are positive essential forces rather than negative ones. The negative forces are pleasure, as such states are fleeting and only temporarily relieve the suffering to which the being regularly endures.

“Pleasure is never as pleasant as we expected it to be and pain is always more painful. The pain in the world always outweighs the pleasure. If you don't believe it, compare the respective feelings of two animals, one of which is eating the other.” -Schopenhauer

So if you truly believe that happiness doesn't exist, there's no good reason to continue existing anymore because your future pain and suffering are inevitable, and their combined effects/affects will far outweigh any momentary pleasure and joys that fall upon you. By ending your life now, if there's no afterlife then you will enter a state of non-being without suffering (which is good inasmuch as there is no suffering). The lack of pleasure is not bad, perhaps neutral is a good descriptor in that you lack any existence. Refer to pic related. Perhaps you might object in claiming to still have certain desires or goals you've yet to to fufill. Know that your striving will never end, and if it does boredome shall follow (a spiritual death if you will). The completion of every desire only results in the creation of new ones. If you truly deny the existence of objective value or meaning, the conclusion is obvious (your immediate suicide). If this doesn't sound appealing to you, I recommend either pacifying and destroying yourself with drugs (inhalents, opiates, benzos, alcohol, weed), getting a labotomy, becoming a wandering ascetic/hermit, or taking the leap of faith and finding God (for this I recommend Kierkegaard and Augustine).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:13:52 2021 No.18125922 >>18125916 (2/2)

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:17:27 2021 No.18125949

>>18125814
>However, using mathematics as an example, we know that "1+2=3", but to say that its analytic is to say that the predicate "1" carries within it every other number (2+1=3, 3+1=4, ad infinitum). This is clearly absurd.
1 only exists by its relation with other numbers. Other numbers only exist by their relation with 1. They create each other, every number containing within itself every other number.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:18:29 2021 No.18125953 >>18125949 That's just your opinion bro. Lots of mathematicians are Platonists. Take Sir Roger Penrose for example. You can look up his credentials.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:18:43 2021 No.18125957 File: 49 KB, 151x166, 1602423017449.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18120682 >Do you mean Archimedes? the absolute STATE of lit's understanding of pre-Socratics. Sad! Many such cases!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:26:45 2021 No.18126002 >>18125953 What do you think about Indra’s net?

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:30:50 2021 No.18126028

>>18126002
Just looked into it and it seems very Spinozist and Deleuzian. I can't deny the existence of the physical world with absolute knowledge that I know that I know, but from what I can gather everything within it is part of an immanently interconnected process (the whole is greater than the sum of its parts). I'm personally a monist so underlying everything (the appearances of the physical world) is God. Hope that clarifies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:46:31 2021 No.18126124 >>18126028 >I'm personally a monist so underlying everything (the appearances of the physical world) is God. Based. If you ever get the chance, you should read Shankara (pbuh).

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:50:11 2021 No.18126140 >>18120131 based

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:04:09 2021 No.18126198

>>18125907

The point here is the opposite of what you believe it to be. Even very intelligent people fall prey to the need for religious narrative. Rather than a vindication of religious feeling, this is rather an indication of the general weakness of man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:30:53 2021 No.18126332 >>18126198 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2158244016674515

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:34:00 2021 No.18126351 >>18125300 He believed the same, he put the words in his own mouth nigga

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:35:38 2021 No.18126360 >>18121084 And since the 1800s it's been king, so what? Go buy that iPhone

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:39:52 2021 No.18126388 >>18121299 Truth is not constant, we desire it to be but it isn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:41:38 2021 No.18126401 >>18121760 >positivist Midwit detected

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:43:41 2021 No.18126412 >>18122422 Incredibly based

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:50:40 2021 No.18126787

>>18120093
For example, math can't be axiomatically known to be true. Euclidean geometry, which was for the vast majority of history the way in which we derived maths, was proven to be not the only possible geometry by 19th century mathematicians, to be more precise, by Riemann if my memory doesn't fail me.

General relativity also kinda made physics lean towards more of a platonic view of the universe. In the sense that measurements of space and time were proven to be relative characteristics instead of laws of nature. The universe in which we live in is in reality vastly different from the way in which we perceive it, similar to Plato's arguments of why you shouldn't trust your senses.

>"I once had the opportunity to talk to Richard Feynman about nature of mathematics and the laws of physics and if the laws of abstract mathematics could be considered to have an Independent platonic existence. He got excited and started to give me a detailed explanation on why that could be the case, but then, when I asked him to defend a specific philosophical position, he backed off."

>"He also backed off when I asked his opinion on reductionism.[...] Feynman certainly didn't make less of philosophical problems."

Quotes taken from the preface to the six easy and not-so-easy pieces of Feyman's Lectures. And if the winner of a Nobel prize, one of the few people who can say he discovered a law of nature and one of the greatest scientific minds of the last century at least considered the possibility of platonic existence, i say this it is at least a possibility.

Also, why don't we make scientists as good as we used to? I would sacrifice, Berserk-style, one hundred Richard Dawkings and Neil Degreese Tysons in exchange for just ten more years of Feynman, Schrodinger or Einstein. Scientists nowadays are just so full of themselves, fucking nerds who use their meme degree in a theoretical science to say they have ultimate knowledge of everything.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:53:47 2021 No.18126804 >>18121856 Yes to those looking to use it to their advantage like sophists. Actual philosophers seek to find the true purpose of things.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:07:17 2021 No.18126867
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>>18120123
Science was once natural philosophy — it is now the men fondling the elephant, as in Buddha’s analogy. When the Nerd rational-atheist materialist tells you this is all there is, he escapes judgment on his decrepit, sclerotic form, inner and outer

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:10:54 2021 No.18126881 >>18120833 It is

>>	I hate women Tue Apr 27 23:26:21 2021 No.18126953 >>18126881 based

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:29:17 2021 No.18126969

I mostly disagree. Many of their ideas are wrong, many others are fine. There's nothing wrong with reading something which has a few wrong ideas floating around. Who cares? Modern science doesn't have as many answers as people seem to think.
>t. physicist

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:30:10 2021 No.18127207 philosophy is ultimately meaningless entertainment, you don't learn anything valuable from it. read actual literature if you want a meaningful understanding of men rather than some abstract idea of man.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:31:41 2021 No.18127213 >>18120651 >thinker wasn't my position therefore his ideas necessarily conflict with it for reasons I refuse to explain You actual pull this shit EVERY FUCKING TIME.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:32:13 2021 No.18127215 >>18127207 It is very sad that your weak brain is incapable of acquiring anything useful from the philosophers of old. Try reading them again but with a more discerning eye.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:33:16 2021 No.18127222 >thinker himself didn't fit conveniently into this ideological position therefore his ideas must exist mutually exclusively in its own vacuum Why are teenagers on /lit/ like this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:35:19 2021 No.18127229 >>18127215 you are an inferior soul for you seek guidance through the "authority" of intellectuals rather than grasping the aesthetics of an artist to come to a higher level of understanding.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:39:11 2021 No.18127253 File: 300 KB, 643x480, absolutely disgusting.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18125880 >This leads me to a profound realization Hawking just knew his cult of personality would eat this shit up, didn't he? Why else would he put that there?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:54:19 2021 No.18127313 >>18125145 >>Doesn't phenomenology solve the problem of induction? how would it do it?

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:55:19 2021 No.18127317

>>18125300
Yeah Socrates is peak rationalist midwitism. The guy just roams the city, going to artisans like a shoemaker and saying >HEY BRO WHAT"S THE DEFINITION OF A SHOE? HUH What's that? UH? HU ? WHAT that's? YOU DON"T KNOW?! YOU DONT"EVEN KNOW THE DEFINITION OF A SHOE. LMAO AT YOU FUCKING CAVE PLEB.

BTW IDK NUTHIN LOL

Socrates was r8ddit all along. No wonder all the atheists in academia praise him today.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:59:03 2021 No.18127332

>>18125916
>>So if you truly believe that happiness doesn't exist, there's no good reason to continue existing anymore because your future pain and suffering are inevitable, and their combined effects/affects will far outweigh any momentary pleasure and joys that fall upon you.
that's true only if you believe you are immortal

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:00:05 2021 No.18127336 >>18127332 Huh?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:00:34 2021 No.18127338 >>18126787 Feynman was a sex addict fucking married sluts all his life

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:02:23 2021 No.18127343 >>18127336 if you die no matter what you do and you deeply believe the death is the end of suffering, you can take a few years of meaningless suffering. Suicide doesn't change much the end result.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:07:51 2021 No.18127366

My philosophy is to not have a specific philosophy. It seems to me the more I think about things, and how I feel about them, the more confused and disconnected from life I become. There is no all encompassing one size fits all project or system that can explain every single thing. It is very difficult to view the world from outside our subjective human experience. To really understand human life one must be willing to take risks and fully integrate into society and truly live as people actually do rather than studying it from afar or theoretically.

My personal philosophy is to avoid having a philosophy and live as much of life as I can by observing, thinking, feeling. As a final note, I will say that when I read, watch, interact with, or observe things it is very helpful to be in the mindset of an empath. In other words, being able to feel what the characters are feeling and experiencing their lives as if they were my own. With this method of thought it is possible to understand people and the world in a deeper and more meaningful way. It seems to me that the best way for people to interact with each other is through empathy, being able to feel what others are feeling and understanding them at their level.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:08:24 2021 No.18127368

>>18127343
It's a huge gamble. OP is effectively a hedonist as that is the natural conclusion of his Philosophy. Future pleasures will be nothing compared to the inevitable suffering that will arise. OP could develop a neurodegenerative disease, become a cripple, etc. With his belief system, it is most logical to prevent that possibility from taking place preemptively.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:09:10 2021 No.18127371 >>18127366 Bait

>>	Nemo !!GgBWHLRiayD Wed Apr 28 01:25:08 2021 No.18127414 Jewish pseudoscience ends where demonic technology begins.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:40:06 2021 No.18127467 >>18120123 Retard cope >>18125907 Based >>18120073 They did not, you just have to read them properly

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:43:37 2021 No.18127482 >>18121638 >materialist theory guiding neuroscience "proves" anything while being patently untenable due to the immaterial nature of consciousness

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:19:13 2021 No.18127786 >>18127482 Cope.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:01:38 2021 No.18128017

yes the bigbang theoretical. nobody ever experienced a bigbang and nobody did a bigbang in a controlled lab.

bigbang= claim that universe is expanding+claim of conservation of energy+reversing time in some mathematical model

there is a cause for the bigbang or there isnt. so far science says there is not, ie bigbang= god

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:06:03 2021 No.18128039 File: 230 KB, 1788x853, 22aa670deac8713ffc240d47ad7be7c5b4e246e77f7ffcc1412982ba1a48a12e.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18128017 I don't get what you're trying to say, but refer to pic related. The first cause cannot be physical.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:16:32 2021 No.18128071 >>18128017 big bang is the most retarded cosmogenesis myth ever conceived even the aborigines of south america had a better idea with the turtle back thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:21:15 2021 No.18128084 >>18120295 Nietzsche.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:22:45 2021 No.18128092 >>18120335 Debunked by Gödel and the the Epimenides paradox (also known as the liar paradox).

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:24:46 2021 No.18128095 >>18122433 An iPhone can simulate a million Antikythera mechanisms at the same time.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:34:11 2021 No.18128143

>>18128095
Still you don't get the point. He means that if they were able to build a clock like that they had probably much more technology like telescopes, machines, meters of any kind. Otherwise you don't explain their advancement in the knowledge of the universe and physics. We have lost trace of a previous civilization that was equal if not superior to ours. If you're a scientific brainlet you will deny this, but it's a fact that history didn't start with the Sumers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:37:33 2021 No.18128149 >>18128143 I don't care. What I said was factually and demostrably true, that's it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 05:13:12 2021 No.18128266 >>18122422 what the fuck is scientific realism

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 05:20:29 2021 No.18128284 >>18125916 why does pleasure matter? why does avoiding pain matter? no value, then no value in pleasure or avoiding pain.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 06:16:38 2021 No.18128472 >>18124959 are you in the moon right now? retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 06:59:27 2021 No.18128609 >>18122314 Yes a mathematician boy genius literally proved that Plato's forms are real

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 08:13:07 2021 No.18128807 >>18128284 pleasure feels good pain is unberable

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 09:13:14 2021 No.18129053 File: 71 KB, 355x530, !.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18125814 >>18125916 Nice high effort post, sir

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