Why aren't writers alphas anymore?

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Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:09:42 2021 No.18113313 [Reply] [Original]

Why aren't writers alphas anymore?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:13:03 2021 No.18113332 >>18113313 I think it’s a numbers game. Many potential writers have gone into different artistic fields

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:18:48 2021 No.18113354 >>18113313 Hemingway was a faggot. Nothing alpha about that journo scum. Muscles don't always mean masculine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:21:09 2021 No.18113363 >>18113313 Only manly writers I know of are Hemingway and McCarthy

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:22:16 2021 No.18113370 File: 116 KB, 672x640, a7f9f57ab48c9748942dbbf02463c3a3-672x640.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18113363

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:23:24 2021 No.18113374 File: 80 KB, 634x679, 2B1FBE4B00000578-3186323-image-m-17_1438802875277.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Their moms don't raise them as little girls anymore. Wait...

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:26:29 2021 No.18113390

>>18113370
watch an interview of this guy. he's a complete and utter mess. I was totally embarrassed watching him on firing line. It was near the end and he was needlessly hostile and bitter and made an ass of himself. Belligerent, but also a huge pussy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:27:44 2021 No.18113397 >>18113374 It was all overcompensation for that

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:32:35 2021 No.18113414 >>18113313 Hemingway was not an alpha at all. He projected an aesthetic of masculinity but inside was a deeply insecure person with severe mental health issues.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:35:36 2021 No.18113419 >>18113414 And yet he still led a rugged masculine life

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:35:49 2021 No.18113420 File: 10 KB, 214x300, FAAB2883-5E44-4F1B-9489-02DC0D54834D.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] They are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:41:07 2021 No.18113431 >>18113313 >anymore They never were. Other than guys like Junger, writers are typically stuck in their head and aren't the alpha type. I wish their were more warrior poets, but then we would need more wars.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:41:32 2021 No.18113433 >>18113313 >>18113363 Hemingway was not fuckin alpha lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:41:55 2021 No.18113435 >>18113390 Filtered Read subterraneans

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 01:48:11 2021 No.18113456 >>18113313 https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a585912.pdf Chapter 1 pp 10

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:06:49 2021 No.18113521 >>18113419 Wtf does a 'rugged mascuiine life' even mean? It sounds like a schoolboy fantasy. How old are you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:10:15 2021 No.18113532 >>18113433 He was and he offed himself when masculinity started droping with age

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:11:42 2021 No.18113534 >>18113431 >we would need more wars So much could be solved with conflict, it's painful to watch humanity languish like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:14:32 2021 No.18113541 >>18113521 He wrote books, did journalism, did travel, killed fascists in a war, fucked women, cultivated alcoholism, met Castro.

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:16:46 2021 No.18113547

>>18113313
Everyone knows that Hemingway was deeply insecure about his masculinity, that's why he felt the need to exaggerate it. That's not to say he wasn't masculine, he was, but in a very forced and frantic way, kind of like Mishima. One of the few truly manly writers of post-ancient times is McCarthy, who is still alive and active

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:17:09 2021 No.18113549 >>18113541 >>18113521 I think it's just sad because you're idolizing someone over yourself. No one is above 'you'. Not even the president.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:17:20 2021 No.18113550 >>18113541 >did journalism fuck journos lmao gay ass niggas

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:17:27 2021 No.18113551 >>18113419 i love how atheists view the people int he entertainment industry as ''alpha'' and even idolize those retards. it turns out people in the entertainment are just glorified hedonists. But then atheism is hedonism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:18:29 2021 No.18113553 >>18113541 >he killed people and fucked women without wanting being paid for it so he was a janitor?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:18:32 2021 No.18113554 >>18113547 I would also add Thompson and Bukowski to that former list

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:19:03 2021 No.18113559 >>18113549 based and dignity pilled

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:20:12 2021 No.18113561 >>18113313 Wiould the better question to ask be Why aren't alphas writers anymore?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:20:26 2021 No.18113563 >>18113547 >>18113554 I'm surprised this isn't obvious to more people. I blame a lack of Freudian studies and real world experience

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:21:52 2021 No.18113570 >>18113554 >Bukowski for real?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:22:31 2021 No.18113575 >>18113521 62 >>18113551 >priests are alpha

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:22:58 2021 No.18113578 >>18113541 how is any of this masculine or rugged?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:26:33 2021 No.18113599 >>18113570 Yes. I said former list, meaning that I believe he also had daddy issues and insecurities

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:27:52 2021 No.18113606

>>18113547
It baffles me that people think McCarthy is authentically masculine and not just an incredibly literate/poetic edgelord. His writing and themes are like if Eliot Roger got struck by lightning and could suddenly write like Melville. McCarthy's vision doesn't emerge out of masculinity. It emerges out of dark, edgy neuroticism.
Read Homer, the great poet of war. Does Achilles drop puppies off a bridge and laugh maniacally? Does Odysseus visit the island where everything is bleak and dead except the few cannibals who keep men and women chained up in their basement for meals? "And then they came up to a trees from whose branches hung hundreds of rotting dead babies and fetuses!" What a healthy, secure, masculine imagination lmao.
Don't get me wrong, I love McCarthy. But he's not a man's man. He's a bookish nerd with a dark imagination larping as masculine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:30:01 2021 No.18113618 >>18113606 So homer is the only mans man?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:31:28 2021 No.18113625 >>18113606 You might be right, but then what post-ancient writers do you consider to be real men?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:33:13 2021 No.18113632 If Hemingway isn’t masculine, then no one is. Everyone has their insecurities and issues.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:33:26 2021 No.18113634 >>18113606 >Eliot Roger I swear every time I see his name it's spelled in a different way.

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:39:07 2021 No.18113654

>>18113632
Men without insecurities are generally at peace with themselves and don't feel the need to prove themselves to other men. This was not the case for Hemingway, and a quick glance at his childhood reveals why (I'm referring here to his relationship with his Dad, not his probably inconsequential cross-dressing)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:43:14 2021 No.18113674 >>18113634 L. E. Autrajer

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:49:04 2021 No.18113699 >>18113390 he was sick and suffered from alcoholism after his prime

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:51:01 2021 No.18113707 >>18113313 It's not en vogue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:53:20 2021 No.18113715 How many masculine men in general are there anymore? In 2021 the only masculine men seem to be brainless chads and normies, i.e. people who go outside and have friends or sex.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:54:38 2021 No.18113720 >>18113390 hes cool but yea, completely fried and pathetic by the time of that interview. really hard to watch, especially as an admirer of his :(

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:56:07 2021 No.18113725 >>18113715 What is even masculine man? Everyone seems to have a different definition of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 02:58:20 2021 No.18113733 >>18113313 he was literally a tranny

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>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 03:02:09 2021 No.18113747 >>18113725 >>What is even masculine man? Killing other men orbiting sluts in order to please them

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 03:11:40 2021 No.18113781 >>18113738 He just plays masculine men

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 03:37:33 2021 No.18113853 I always liked Robinson Jeffers’ masculinity. He built his own house lived in Big Sur when it really was wild and isolated, was an outdoorsman and poet and ladies man But he was also a pacifist who opposed US imperialism and militarism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 03:54:12 2021 No.18113903 >>18113725 the quietly discerning one who requires no attention nor recognition for his deeds not a coward but not overtly anti-social or aggressive overall competent, intelligent, socially adept and strong willed

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 03:55:18 2021 No.18113913 File: 124 KB, 592x826, khachaturian.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] don't know how many "masculine" men i've ran into my life that are complete insane bastards who terrorize their families and are deadbeat pieces of shit otherwise

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 03:58:15 2021 No.18113927 >>18113903 /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 04:01:44 2021 No.18113940 >>18113313 The vast majority of writers historically have been insufferable simps and betas. You're just remembering the 2-3 that weren't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 04:06:07 2021 No.18113956 >>18113913 those deadbeats have wifes, kids and houses. Yeah, they're masculine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 04:36:13 2021 No.18114027 >>18113606 mccarthy was in the military, had like 4 wives, built his own house from scratch, and lived a dirt poor life because he didnt want to work and wanted to pursue his intellectual stuff instead. guys a real man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 04:59:22 2021 No.18114094 >>18114027 imagine still wanting to support a woman after 3 divorces lol. When will sóý men learn?

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 05:04:01 2021 No.18114110

>>18114027
>was in the military
for a short uneventful stint during which he did nothing but read
>had like 4 wives
like many a cuck who needs women for validation. Ever notice how useless he is at making women characters/depicting romance? Because he was an autist about women
>built his own house from scratch
false. He built a fireplace in his shack, not the shack itself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 05:14:49 2021 No.18114130 >>18114094 >>18114110 Women are gay

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 05:15:46 2021 No.18114131 >>18114130 Truly. But if you can't suppress the urge, fuck them. Don't marry them. Certainly don't marry 4 of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 06:25:04 2021 No.18114345 >>18113575 chasing thots is effeminate

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 06:33:47 2021 No.18114377 >>18113313 Look at this generation today, hell look at this generation before it. All pathetic limp-dicked pansies not even fit to wipe their own ass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 07:49:35 2021 No.18114641 >>18114377 When did the last men die? In vietnam?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 07:53:25 2021 No.18114648 Times change. Back in the day Europeans would behead or hang/draw/quarter people, but nowadays that's only the practice of "savages".

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 07:57:54 2021 No.18114657 >>18114648 Lucky we have Eastern Europe to keep the traditions alive

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:03:56 2021 No.18114680 Hemingway spent his entire life butthurt over his mom putting him in dresses

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:04:37 2021 No.18114684 >>18114657 >Eastern europe you live under matriarchy

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:05:58 2021 No.18114691
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>>18113940
This. For every well-known manly macho author, there are 99 published simps and sissies. But the alpha writer is still more common than the seething incel, those don't seem to create anything at all for some reason... Other than a few selected works of outdated philosophy few centuries ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:09:08 2021 No.18114709 File: 76 KB, 592x417, 7814615B-A645-4A1F-94BC-5847108FA5A3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: queer little zoomers feeling mogged by Ernest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:16:09 2021 No.18114743 >>18113313 >Zoomers who have 16 hours of screen time try to tell you who isn't masculine

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:18:17 2021 No.18114755 >>18114657 Unlucky for you, waterboarding and christina aguilera song torture will be considered the practice of savages in the future.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:23:03 2021 No.18114767 >>18114709 The only queer here is the little Dutch dolly lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:27:34 2021 No.18114783 >>18114691 Your picrel is so fucking cringe. What makes illustrators think they are so clever?

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:30:02 2021 No.18114787

>Grace Hemingway liked to fashion young Ernest’s hair like a girl and dress him in lacy white frocks. She called him her “Dutch dolly” and her “Sweetie.” Ernest pronounced it “Fweetee.” But he soon grew not to like it. One day he retorted, “I not a Dutch dolly… Bang, I shoot Fweetee.” As John Walsh wrote in The Independent, “He’d spend the rest of his life in a galloping parody of masculinity.”
This is what boomers think a real man is
lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:31:41 2021 No.18114791 File: 2.93 MB, 200x170, kimmy.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18113456 neat. thanks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:33:49 2021 No.18114801 >>18114783 It's pretty clever imo, an allusion to Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel ceiling. If brain is the god, wouldn't pussy be Mary?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:34:30 2021 No.18114805 >>18114783 >What makes illustrators think they are so clever? Estrogen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:36:05 2021 No.18114811 >>18114801 The symbol of vesica pisces can represent Mary's vagina; in Medieval artworks Jesus is often placed in it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:37:11 2021 No.18114817 >>18114811 Hot

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:43:19 2021 No.18114841

Reminder that trendy terms like "alpha" are next to meaningless and nearly always facilitate a dramatically reductionist view of extremely complex dynamics in lieu of easy digestibility for the 110 IQ crowd who will never have the ability to consider the issues as they are in and of themselves. Every time I see the word "alpha" applied to human beings in reminded that most people alive are genuine idiots who can only regurgitate the opinions of other less-idiots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 08:44:21 2021 No.18114847 >>18113313 pic unrelated. i could have this bitch sucking my 5 inch rager within 3 hours

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 09:10:29 2021 No.18114956 >>18113332 More like they’re working at a bank or similar

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 09:12:57 2021 No.18114964 >>18114787 He was forced to crossdress at an age when most kids are shitting themselves and babbling nonsense. I highly doubt it had much of a developmental impact on him. Other authors who were jealous of him definitely had that as ammunition though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 09:13:18 2021 No.18114966 >>18113541 And yet he was an insecure guy who an heroed. Funny how that works eh? Doesn't help to seem masculine if you're just going to blow your brains out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 09:17:55 2021 No.18114989 >>18114841 Fuckin preach

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 09:18:04 2021 No.18114990 >>18114966 He killed himself because he had hemochromatosis. Two of his siblings also killed themselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 09:22:02 2021 No.18115007 >>18113554 Thompson? Hunter S. Thompson? He seems as real as they come, don't imagine he ever dwelt on his masculinity he just liked writing about american culture

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 09:26:07 2021 No.18115034 >>18113541 >killed fascists in a war Was this with the ambulance he drove? Or maybe the bicycle?

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 09:26:55 2021 No.18115037

>>18114956
>>18113332

More like they're working in copywriting (writing the blurbs in advertisements and for websites), blog writing for companies, or journalism, which sucks away the motivation to write fiction.

But most of these (except websites) have been around since at least the 1900s.

I would say that masculinity is either derided ("toxic masculinity," i.e. Hemingway across this thread) or co-opted for advertising (e.g. alcohol/cigarette companies offering their products as a way to affirm you are masculine).

So, if you're masculine, you're most likely either toxic or a sucker for these companies. Of course, you could be neither (strong values, but not brainwashed by advertising). But that's increasingly unlikely due to the rapid growth and pervasiveness of advertising and modern culture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 09:27:17 2021 No.18115039 >>18115034 Kek, gottem.

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 09:31:53 2021 No.18115065

>>18115037
Whoops. I meant to write: "So if you're masculine, you're most likely seen as toxic*," which means the media won't cover you, so you won't be well-known.

And since you aren't covered by the media, you aren't likely to inspire others to live your life in a similar way. The only role models are in ads. So it's very difficult to become masculine in today's popular culture (hence the popularity of Jordan B. Peterson, Sam Harris, etc., when people should really be ignoring them and self-teaching the Classics).

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 09:32:36 2021 No.18115067 >>18114801 >If brain is the god, wouldn't pussy be Mary? wouldn't Mary be the womb

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 10:34:08 2021 No.18115372 Writers have never been alpha. Rugged manly men don't sit at a desk and write a story

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 10:37:22 2021 No.18115389 >>18113363 Orwell killed a elephant

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 10:41:47 2021 No.18115419 >>18113725 >What is even masculine man? Everyone seems to have a different definition of it. If women want to fuck them without an inducement like wealth or social status, this is the mark of a masculine man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 11:09:16 2021 No.18115590 File: 89 KB, 1030x1026, B1133204-49DD-4A44-898F-083E2E8B27AC.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18115034 Spanish civil war, lad. Decades later than his chauffeuring career.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 11:16:14 2021 No.18115614 >>18114841 Beta.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 11:22:24 2021 No.18115637 >>18115419 >all those fuckboys fucking drunk girls >yeah, it doesnt get any masculine than this

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 11:32:32 2021 No.18115695 >>18115034 WW2 No fascists in WW1

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:11:52 2021 No.18115919 Holy shit look at those leg muscles

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:12:56 2021 No.18115926 >>18113414 Suicide is masculine

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:23:45 2021 No.18115996 >>18113313 Some are, but the media doesn't like that image and so doesn't promote it -- and so they aren't marketed in that way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:30:57 2021 No.18116035 >>18113549 I'm above you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:34:22 2021 No.18116060 Hemingway makes people seethe apparently. So many people want to knock him down. I wonder why...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:39:42 2021 No.18116097 >>18116060 /lit/ is full of women and insecure men.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:41:47 2021 No.18116113 >>18116097 >/lit/ is full of women "women"

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:43:28 2021 No.18116129 >>18115372 Teddy Roosevelt. >>18114767 Post physique.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:44:03 2021 No.18116134 >>18115637 the fuckboys have wealth and status from their wealthy parents, try again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 12:59:41 2021 No.18116253 >>18113551 Literally no one mentioned atheism here you obsessed little pederast

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:01:06 2021 No.18116261 >>18113534 You would be one of the first to die, don't kid yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:07:37 2021 No.18116307 >>18114094 Other way around lmao. Bitches kept leaving McCarthy because they had to support him. He never had a day job and his wives had to pay for everything

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:09:01 2021 No.18116318 >>18113903 You sound like you secretly like it up the ass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:10:07 2021 No.18116322 >>18113738 I love how his hair is strained by using cheap shampoo and staying outside for more than five minutes. Truly masculine, unironically.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:20:08 2021 No.18116380 >>18113738 >vain, narcissitic actor >masculine

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:21:32 2021 No.18116392 >>18113913 thats not masculine one of the defining characteristics of masculinity is control of emotions guys that rage and get all angry and hysterical are more like spoiled little girls than masculine men

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:24:21 2021 No.18116417 >>18113551 why do christcucks even go on the internet? just go ascetic mode and finger yourself for jesus, you astronomical cuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:28:53 2021 No.18116453 >>18116417 Lol seethe and cope

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:32:02 2021 No.18116472 >>18116307 CHAD

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:32:56 2021 No.18116477 My eldest sister told me last night that she’s going to give me a first edition of For Whom the Bell Tolls as a belated birthday gift and it has temporarily lifted me out of feeling as depressed as usual.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:39:45 2021 No.18116515 >>18113313 I bet China has alpha bugman writers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:41:25 2021 No.18116526 >>18113370 >literally took a cock up his ass >Masculine

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 13:47:24 2021 No.18116559 >>18116477 A real one or a facsimile? I have a few fake first editions that come with slipcases that are very nice. A real one would be very expensive I’d imagine

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 14:03:56 2021 No.18116669 >>18116526 I bet you're too much of a pussy to do it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 14:15:20 2021 No.18116749 >>18115372 wait till my diary is published

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 14:16:33 2021 No.18116764

>>18116559
I assume it’s real because she’s pretty on the ball about antiques and art and stuff; no dust jacket though. Haven’t seen it myself yet but there’s a good chance it’s from a deceased family member or something. Sans dust jacket first editions from famous 20th century authors tend to be expensive but not prohibitively so. She’s also not particularly poor so she probably doesn’t have any reason to sell off a (I assume around) $200 book when we thinks she can give it to someone who’d enjoy it. She knows I like Hemingway because I periodically hang out down at the bar in Key West that he used to go to and I typically post photos of his house when I’m there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 14:23:25 2021 No.18116791 >>18116764 Diff anon here but I've heard lots of great things about that bar. Sounded like he was a real man of the people there. That's awesome man and enjoy the book, I'm gonna read it this summer finally

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 14:24:16 2021 No.18116795 >>18113532 That’s the definition of beta. Rather than let go of his carefully built facade and go gracefully into old age like a man, he offed himself to preserve his “image.” Hemingway is literary Rob Swanson. Reddit manliness

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 15:13:56 2021 No.18117119 >>18116795 Post physique.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 15:56:13 2021 No.18117400 >>18116322 ???

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 16:01:53 2021 No.18117439 File: 41 KB, 798x644, EfXCE01UYAA8csO.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18113414 >mental health issues

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 16:08:17 2021 No.18117480 >>18116764 Nice. For some reason the dust jacket adds a lot of value to books. I wish I could buy used books but I get weirded out by all the hands that have touched it. Which is weird in itself as I am usually not a germaphobe

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 17:09:12 2021 No.18117878 >>18114841 Shut your cumcatcher faggot. You would be best served chasing AIDS somewhere if you haven't yet learned to gain meaning through context.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 17:17:38 2021 No.18117930 >>18114841 post body

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 17:25:57 2021 No.18117981 >>18114841 I agree :) many who use the term are not even alpha by their own definition. It's modern cope for how powerful woman have gotten.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 17:31:44 2021 No.18118019 >>18114783 seethe harder

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 18:37:40 2021 No.18118503 File: 551 KB, 365x400, soysoysoy.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18113414 >severe mental health issues. t. self-proclaimed jungian

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 18:53:10 2021 No.18118570 They are movie directors now

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 19:19:09 2021 No.18118715 >>18113903 Women test you for the strong will, maybe other of these qualities too, and if you asked them out they will often refuse but not entierly in order to see that will in action.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 19:38:17 2021 No.18118826 >>18115034 He killed a couple unarmed prisoners of war, actually. All part being a rugged manly man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 19:40:40 2021 No.18118841 >>18118715 Imagine feeling compelled to prove yourself to a woman, of all people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 19:40:48 2021 No.18118842 >>18113313 >those calves Holy fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 19:47:57 2021 No.18118880 Funny that you posted Hemingway because I always thought he was trying too hard to be manly/alpha. Maybe because I'm from a different culture, but he was too exaggerated for me. Men here tend to be more serene and secretive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 19:50:51 2021 No.18118898 >>18118842 I thought i was the only one

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 20:02:32 2021 No.18118962 File: 424 KB, 865x1600, 5dddf_95107_Celine_Louis-Ferdinand.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Chad or chad?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 20:03:47 2021 No.18118969 >>18113390 I’ve seen that exact interview and he was based as fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 21:23:04 2021 No.18119348 >>18118880 >Dude likes boxing and fishing >”He’s trying too hard.” Where are you from, Fag Island?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 22:08:12 2021 No.18119539 >>18118962 About as chad as a lost soul can be

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 22:42:48 2021 No.18119690 >>18113390 Link ffs

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 22:43:51 2021 No.18119694 Have any of you guys stopped to think he wasn’t pretending and that the “masculine” stuff was just the sort of things normal men had interest in back then?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 22:48:27 2021 No.18119716 File: 129 KB, 600x600, gore-vidal-best-of-enemies-r.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >...American society, literary or lay, tends to be humorless. What other culture could have produced someone like Hemingway and not seen the joke?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 22:49:20 2021 No.18119718 >>18119716 This reminds me of Satre critiquing Junger.

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 22:50:59 2021 No.18119725

>>18119348
You know what I'm talking about.
It's hard to describe, but his manliness doesn't look natural. It reminds me of a passage from the Bible about hypocrites who like to pray in the synagogues so others can see it. Hemingway made his manliness something to show others instead of a part of him and a way to deal with the world.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 22:54:57 2021 No.18119742 >>18114841 careful now. intelligent posts on 4chan may win (yous) but you become prime target for retards

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 23:04:13 2021 No.18119790 >>18113431 >>18113534 >>18116261 I want nothing more than to die killing chinks over some gay ass war over the shipping lanes in the Pacific. Not even joking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 23:06:35 2021 No.18119807 >>18113313 Stephen King spent a decade blacked out on booze and cocaine pumping out #1 bestsellers while bleeding out of both nostrils at his typewriter. Alpha as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 23:06:53 2021 No.18119815 >>18113551 all christians should be crucified and go to their magical kingdom so us hedonists can "suffer" without them

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 23:07:49 2021 No.18119819 >>18113313 Writers are evil

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 23:09:08 2021 No.18119829

>>18119725
Yeah, he wasn’t actually manly, that’s why he was involved in two wars and was awarded the Bronze Star. That’s why he was such a decent amateur boxer that Jack Dempsey said he didn’t want to spar with him. This didn’t take place in contemporary society where fatherless Zoomers have to participate in ersatz spectacles of masculinity. It was a natural outgrowth of being a man back then. My grandfather was an art teacher who went on bombing runs during World War II and saw many of his friends killled. I suppose you’d tell me he was just faking being a man as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 26 23:12:39 2021 No.18119852 >>18119718 Gore Vidal was beautiful though.

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 23:15:42 2021 No.18119864

>>18119829
Why do you have to define your masculinity as being a cuck to a bunch of rich anglos and seeing all your friends killed?
My grandfather was an alcoholic drifter and a draft dodger and he spent the war screwing the pants off all the lonely wives who's manly man husbands were out getting their dicks blown off in the name of israel. He was ten times the man your grandfather was.

Anonymous Mon Apr 26 23:25:44 2021 No.18119923

>>18119852
He wrote queer lit for queers. And when’s the last time you went to someone’s house and they had a single book of his, let alone knew who he was.

>>18119864
Yeah, I’m sure your grandfather was well versed enough in the field of geopolitics to understand that the Allies were fighting for Zionism and that’s why he dodged the draft to fuck whores. Lol. Cowards beget cowards. Guess what you are.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:10:01 2021 No.18120096

>>18119829
Did you know that Tolstoy was an officer of the imperial army who got promoted for bravery in the war? Does it matter?
This is part of Tolstoy's life, but no one cares. No one goes around saying how manly Tolstoy is for fighting or for his bravery.
There is something wrong when people and and a writer are more worried about manliness than other things.
>My grandfather was an art teacher who went on bombing runs during World War II and saw many of his friends killed.
My grandfather a chauffeur of the military police in WW2. My father was an officer in the armed forces who served in shit peacekeeping missions, then he left to be a doctor until he decided to be a lawyer.
The boxing thing from the other comment? My father loved boxing too and he fought in the army, then he showed me Muhammad Ali in a wheelchair when I asked him if I could fight.
It's not a competition or something to be proud, it just is.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:23:22 2021 No.18120154
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>>18113313
>”Look at the monomania of Newton, or character of people like Balzac or Baudelaire. Violent spergout and obsessives. Our diddlers are diddlers because they lack all intensity and all faith in themselves and what they do. They’re not even nihilists, they lack all conviction in nihilism too: they lack intensity, they’re pissed dry.
>This is why [...] I don’t promote for you the life of the scientist, or artist, or writer, because in our age these degenerate to hobbies and ways to pass the time, and there’s no value in this. People who promote these things [...] are just doing this to make you harmless and to advertise to others in media or elsewhere, they too, are harmless.”

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:26:33 2021 No.18120162 >>18113853 Jeffers bore the Leaves of Grass torch into the 29th century >>18116477 Nice

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:34:14 2021 No.18120185 >>18120154 What's this from?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:35:51 2021 No.18120192 >>18113606 War isn't poetic. Most of the most fucked up shit McCarthy talks about has actually happened (not counting The Road obviously)

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Anonymous Tue Apr 27 00:47:31 2021 No.18120232
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>>18113354
>Oops I accidently shot a bunch of fascists while reporting on the Spanish Civil War
>Oops I got into bullfighting during the aforementioned
>Oops I accidently shot a bunch of Nazis while reporting on World War II
>Oops I got caught on the second one, sorry I was a military advisor
>Oops I was involved in espionage during the Cold War
>Oops I went on a fuckton of safaris and became a big game hunter
Yeah I he did a bunch of shit on accident that would be fucking based if he wasn't such a queer or had actually meant to do them.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:11:45 2021 No.18120338

>>18113390
Holy shit, what a pretentious embarrassment of a human being. Figures he died because of injuries related to a barfight only a year later (he was asking to get his ass kicked)

>>18119690
Don't you know how to search on Youtube? He said "Firing Line" and you know it's Kerouac.

https://youtu.be/BYgv7ur8ipg?t=1890

(Timestamp is intentional. Rewind it you lazy fuck).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:35:02 2021 No.18120430 >>18116261 Not him but I don't think he'd disagree with you. The fact that that is the case is in itself an argument for why we should be having more wars.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:40:19 2021 No.18120447

>>18120096
English speaking people don’t talk about Tolstoy as much as Hemingway because he didn’t write his novels in English and he wrote them decades earlier.

The Millennial and Zoomer resistance against Hemingway for allegedly affected manhood stinks in the same way that Gen Xers complaints about John Wayne do because he was the archetype for their fathers’ generation, and made them feel (justifiably) small.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:44:59 2021 No.18120462

>>18120447
English-speaking people don't really talk about either. People who are into lit will know both; Hemingway will be better known because his bangers are shorter and his short stories are more well known. When people think of Hemingway, they think of novellas, novels of a few hundred pages, and short stories. When people think of Tolstoy they think doorstopper.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:47:38 2021 No.18120475 >>18120447 >>18120462 English people prefer Warren Peace.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 01:54:27 2021 No.18120500 The action is what matters, not the motives. If a wealthy person donates a lot of money for tax purposes and good publicity, they are still charitable

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:02:00 2021 No.18120535 >>18113363 Hemingway, Nabokov, Twain, Melville, London the list goes on

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:03:02 2021 No.18120542 >>18113397 I know you're joking but there are retards who don't realize breeching was what every family did once

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:07:53 2021 No.18120557 >>18119852 he wrote genre fiction

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:26:40 2021 No.18120614 >>18120535 All but the Rusky and don't forget Cormac

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 02:49:25 2021 No.18120717 >>18120614 nabokov was manly he did boxing and disliked women

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:00:07 2021 No.18120750 >>18120717 By that logic Billy Joel is manly

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:15:03 2021 No.18120791 >>18120535 >Nabokov Lmao. The fucker only knew how to run from problems.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 03:55:14 2021 No.18120913 >>18120192 You're beyond a brainlet if you don't think McCarthy aestheticizes war and violence in BM

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:05:15 2021 No.18121134 >>18119807 >being an hedonist catering to whores by writing crime and smut is alpha yeah i think democracy is a blunder

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:56:15 2021 No.18121352 >>18119790 That's great, but when you lose your legs on a mine at 26 years of age, where will you fight then, life will not be worth living.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:12:46 2021 No.18121430 File: 57 KB, 604x590, 3E8DFF76-1B25-4A07-8C5A-D0AEB75566BE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18119807 Cringe. >>18113313 Ezra Pound, James Joyce, Wyndham Lewis.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:00:27 2021 No.18122125 >>18120232 >going on safaris and bullfighting What a fucking faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:15:09 2021 No.18122206 >>18113363 Hunter S thompson

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:31:57 2021 No.18122958 >>18120232 >if he wasn't such a queer >gays can't be masculine The closet must be rough, huh?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:25:44 2021 No.18123289 >>18120791 still can't believe Nabokov's dad got killed by a schizophrenic monarchist

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:13:47 2021 No.18123555 >>18116261 >le you would die first meme I'd rather die than live to be a projecting soibôy like (you)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:54:12 2021 No.18124712 >>18121430 How was James Joyce alpha? I like the guy, but getting drunk and annoy some drunkards and hide behind Hemmingway's back is not manly

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>>18119539
There's something inherently Chad about a lost soul who understands and accepts his condition. For every one of these these there are a thousand who are lost and don't know. Or even know they have a soul to _be_ lost.

Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:40:40 2021 No.18125344 >>18119716 ouch desu f@m.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:13:21 2021 No.18125544 >>18113541 He met Trudeau's father?

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:48:04 2021 No.18126431

>>18115037
>Of course, you could be neither (strong values, but not brainwashed by advertising).
Always been the case. You're favourite manly writers were all consumers of the highest order and also pumped out plenty of shill text in good order. You just don't hear about it. Do your research.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:01:30 2021 No.18126518 >>18118962 This is the man right here. Fuck Hem.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:35:24 2021 No.18127868 File: 365 KB, 400x769, KempAlbania.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18113313 Real alphas pick the right side of the civil war

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 07:07:47 2021 No.18128628 File: 621 KB, 2535x1890, 2018_18_hunter_s_thompson.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thompson

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 11:34:12 2021 No.18129847 >>18113313 Hemingway seems pretty beta to me. Commie, alcoholic, adulterer, fornicator, transvestism running in his family, etc. Seems more degenerate and beta than alpha.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 11:35:29 2021 No.18129858 >>18129847 Oh yeah, and also suicide. That is the ultimate beta act but Lord have mercy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 11:36:08 2021 No.18129861 >>18113313 he was gay

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 11:37:11 2021 No.18129867 >>18128628 >look at me, I am American and I have a gun!

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 13:06:19 2021 No.18130461 >>18113654 Everyone has insecurities to some degree m8y. For example, I often fear that my dick is far too large and is showing through my pants.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 13:50:48 2021 No.18130712 >>18113313 Why do Moustaches look so awesome on manly men? They look awful on Hipsters, but back in the day they looked really cool.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 13:55:39 2021 No.18130751 >>18118962 Where to begin with Celine?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 14:26:56 2021 No.18130979 Think about who the audience is for contemporary fiction. Why would publishers want to sell fiction by manly men? Who would buy them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 14:34:48 2021 No.18131039 >>18113313 Stephen King was alpha 50 years ago, now he's an old man

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 15:07:32 2021 No.18131264 >>18128628 >>18129867 Yeah I always thought HST was a ridiculous individual.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 15:21:52 2021 No.18131333 >>18131264 Yeah. That actually helps me understand the people who think that about Hemingway more now; they view H. as someone like T. That's wrong but I sort of get it now.

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