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[Anonymous No.18112803]

>you are saved through faith alo-

[Anonymous No.18112943]

>>18112803
Yes.

[Anonymous No.18113087]

>>18112803
>>18112943
I'm getting mixed messages here.

[Anonymous No.18114565]

posting in epic thread

[Anonymous No.18114573]

>"I'm a chantard Christian, you nigger-faggot"

[Anonymous No.18114582]

This is a bombshell. I've never considered the roles faith and works play in salvation. Has anyone? Has this matter ever been discussed before? Keep this thread alive. I'm calling the Vatican.

[Anonymous No.18114781]

>>18114573

[Anonymous No.18114925]

>>18112803
>Why yes, I believe in the Holy Trinity
>No, that's not polytheism, there is only one God.
>No, God is not divisible, each member of the Trinity is God in itself.
>Stop fucking posting that meme, you know I hate it.
>You know what, maybe God can be 3=1, how that is the case will always, however, be incomprehensible to our puny human minds.
No, I can explain exactly how and why the Christian god is 3=1. A bunch of old Roman men from different sects formed the Council of Nicea to settle the matter of the Trinity. During the decision making process (the trinity was a decision, let's not kid ourselves), they were influenced by two factors. Firstly, monotheism was vogue in Rome. Secondly, polytheistic worship used to be vogue in Rome, and people didn't feel comfortable about writing off their entire ancestral line to hell. So they decided that god was 3=1 and called it a day. That is the entire mystery behind your trinity - mere socio-cultural circumstances

[Anonymous No.18114953]

>>18114925
It is funny how you invert the order of things but the simplicity in your explanation betrays your very superficiality. Paganism is fruit of mere anthropological conditionings and as even some pagan themselves noted the gods are mere mythological symbolism referring to past events in humanity, be it in the already formed community or prior to it. The Trinity is expressed in OT and NT explicitly. I’ll not even go into the sophisticated explanation about what ousia and hypostasis are because obviously eludes your narrow mentality product of socio-cultural bias.

[Anonymous No.18114975]

wtf? this dude >>18114925 is a faggot, but >>18114953 literally wrote like the dude in this meme >>18114781 kek.

[Anonymous No.18115002]

>>18112943

BTFO

Philippians 2:12
King James Version
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

[Anonymous No.18115013]

>>18114582

Faith comes first. Works follow faith and are a necessity.

20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven

[Anonymous No.18115029]

Lastly, Once saved always saved is heresy.

Read:
ROMANS 11:20-21
HEBREWS 6: 4-6
HEBREWS 10: 26-31
2ND PETER 2:20 - 22

[Anonymous No.18115038]

>>18114953
>All other religions are products of society but Christianity is totally different, just trust me bro.
>The Trinity does make sense, you are just too ignorant to understand.
>"The Trinity is expressed in OT and NT explicitly" (God said it himself, so it must be true!)

[Anonymous No.18115062]

>>18115038
You don’t need to trust me. You can read works from pagan themselves, you can dedicate yourself to anthropological and comparative analyses, you can read Girard.

[Anonymous No.18115069]

I think one of the best pieces of evidence against "no, James doesn't really mean what it says," is that Luther and other Protestants initially wanted to have it purged from the Bible. Only after this failed did they try to twist the meaning.

Maccabees similarly had to go because it supported purgatory. The political rationale was voiced first, then there was an attempt to find justification for deleting parts of the Bible that didn't follow "saved by faith alone," which is of course, a doctrine arrived at through logical axioms, not the direct word of Christ.

Apparently we know the Bible is inerrant because the Holy Spirit guided the men who voted on it, but the Holy Spirit just messed up and left the wrong books in for 1,500 years and forgot to tell the Ethiopians to boot Enoch out.

[Anonymous No.18115664]

>>18115069
God used Luther to initiate a crucial phase to building His True Church, but Luther was a brainlet who also found no use for the Book of Revelation.

[Anonymous No.18116779]

>>18112803
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.18116829]

>>18112803
>you are NOT saved through faith alone
>but i am

[Anonymous No.18116909]

I didn't know we had so many theology experts on 4chan(nel)

[Anonymous No.18116950]

>>18116909
nth post best post

[Anonymous No.18117177]

>>18114925
>>18114953
>>18115038
Ironically Hume refutes those who think 3=1 doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.18117249]

>>18115069
>This is what papists believe that Protestants believe

[Anonymous No.18117324]

>>18112803
>>18112943
I think you're saved by a kind of sincerity. The penitent thief was saved because he truly, aided by his exacerbation, committed metanoia with faith that was sincerely admired by God. None of us don't get to ask the Savior next to us for help, nor do we get the blessings of martyrdom, so we must live and believe with a professed virtue and sincerity, doing God's command and good works in his name.
>>18114953
Post verses pls.

[Anonymous No.18117717]

>>18112803
Currently writing a sermon on James 2:14-26, funny enough.

[Anonymous No.18117997]

Sirach 15:14-15
>When God, in the beginning, created man, he made him subject to his own free choice. If you choose, you can keep the commandments; it is loyalty to do his will.
Calvinists BTFO, how will they ever recover?
>inb4 muh apocrypha

[Anonymous No.18118499]

>>18117997
Muh Apocrypha.

[Anonymous No.18119304]

>>18118499
deuterocanon is not apocrypha

[Anonymous No.18120354]

I just read the KJV. What's a good resource to get all of the apocrypha and deuterocanonical books, and bonus books like Enoch. Is there a resource that contains all of these? Or am I going to need to get a Catholic bible and get all of the other books individually?

[Anonymous No.18120465]

>>18120354
Orthodox bibles I believe. It's part of their canon.

[Anonymous No.18120506]

>>18112943
>>18115002
Can some of you christfags explain to me why does Paul has authority to write on how should a chirsitan live and others matters of faith? Wasn't he just a guy who had a glimpse of Jesus? Does he get supernaturally enlightned or taken to a trip to heaven at some point?

[Anonymous No.18120546]

>>18120506
Because he was the last but also arguably the greatest of the Apostles, and Christ baptized him and commanded him to do His will. And his endurance, and the legacy he has left, proved Christ right.

[Anonymous No.18120572]

>>18120546
Got it, he was king schizo. The description of Saul's conversion to Paul is indicative of someone undergoing a seizure. The graphomania that followed along with the schizophrenic behavior matches as well. The greatest of the Apostles was a dude with a brain tumor.

[Anonymous No.18120578]

>>18120572
Do you not believe that God is real, and that He is active in the world?

[Anonymous No.18120734]

>>18115069
are you on crack?

[Anonymous No.18120911]

>>18120572
People in antiquity knew about seizures and roughly how they worked you illiterate retard
It would have been pointed out
Also, Paul wrote his letters across multiple decades, not on the spot