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Review of Jordan Peterson's later book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m81q-ZkfBm0

Thoughts?

>> No.18107365
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The book in question is Beyond Order

>> No.18107373

>>18107351
Why would you link to this charlatan? Philosophy Tube is garbage.

>> No.18107385

>>18107373
I was hesitant to watch it because it's a culture war, idpol, breadshit channel, but this one offers a pretty good critique.

It's not an attack on Peterson or anything. In fact it's mostly neutral about the book, and says some insightful things about the underlying motives for the book.

>> No.18107395

Oh look another tranny thread, because the first thing I wanna see at 7am in the morning is another reminder that these horrifying abominations still exist in this hell world. Fucking yourself OP

>> No.18107403

I enjoy listening to him struggle to force his voice to hit those high notes

>> No.18107410

>>18107395
Oh sorry did you need a trigger warning sweetheart?

>> No.18107418

I literally cannot imagine caring about leftist youtubers. It’s not possible to register in my brain that somebody out in the world is sitting patiently for a tranny to drop a new video complaining about Jordan Peterson or gamers and say “finally, it’s out!” It just makes me profoundly sad

>> No.18107427

>>18107385
>some insightful things about the underlying motives for the book
So armchair psychologizing? But okay, I'll give it a watch. I don't have high hopes though. Typical leftist critiques of Peterson are as superficial as they accuse him of being.

>> No.18107429

>>18107410
Yeah maybe I do actually. Do we really need to have 100s of threads about niggers and trannies all day every day? Id rather every thread be mexican cartel beheading liveleak webms than this shit

>> No.18107428

>>18107385
Philosophy tube is actual garbage, watch any one of their videos on econ and it is fucking crazy how they fundamentally misunderstand basic concepts. Jordan peterson is retarded and deserves to be actively attacked for it.

>> No.18107432

For real what's with breadtube and skits? I get "you have an iphone" isn't a great rebuttal but something about them prancing around in all these elaborate costumes while going on about how rich people all suck is very stupid. Vaush might sacrifice newborn infants to the old ones or whatever but at least his presentation's just him sitting on a fucking chair and talking instead of some one person cast recreation of Hamlet.

>> No.18107434

Sorry i don't watch tactical transvestites

>> No.18107436

>>18107429
Start a subreddit for it then fagboy

>> No.18107437
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She should use a virtual avatar.

>> No.18107440

>>18107351
imagine reading an atheist like Jordan Peterson

fucking lel, democracy was a mistake.

>> No.18107456

>>18107432
I assume that most of these people see themselves as filmakers/artists/actors rather than pure philosophers. That would explain why they are making youtube videos rather than just writing essays.

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>>18107436
>Start a subreddit for it then fagboy

>> No.18107471

>>18107427
why would you say it's armchair psychology without even knowing what the points made were?

you're wasting your time with an attitude like that

>> No.18107477

So this guy turned into a tranny now?

These people are such human jokes, lol.

>> No.18107481

>>18107395
>>18107418
Weird how irrationally angry people get over this stuff.

>> No.18107486

>>18107471
>the underlying motives for the book
That's why
>>18107481
Yeah just like when people cry antisemitism about everything, I don't get it

>> No.18107495

>>18107385>>18107351
>watching a deeply mentally ill midwit pseud sophistically “discuss” a self help book written by a different deeply mentally ill midwit pseud
Fuck off, you do not belong on /lit/, go back to Twitter.

>> No.18107499

>>18107495
Take your benzos

>> No.18107503

>>18107499
Why do mentally ill people always project like this?

>> No.18107507

>>18107503
I'm just telling you to calm down. It's a book review, no need to get angry.

>> No.18107518

>>18107507
I'm not that person but he raises a valid point and you respond with "be a slave to big pharma!"
It's a very strange cope

>> No.18107529

>>18107518
Okay drink some green tea instead, or meditate. Whatever you find relaxing. Benzos are not the best solution long-term but if you have severe anger problems I guess one might help.

>> No.18107533

>>18107518
Trannies are so mentally weak that things like psychotherapy/CBT are useless to them so they immediately grab for the benzodiazepines.

So naturally they'd suggest that to others as the first line of defense.

>> No.18107547

>>18107533
You're looking way too much into this. I'm male, not a tranny, and not leftist.

>> No.18107549

>>18107547
>I'm male
Yes, yes you are.

>> No.18107557

lol@the chuds getting triggered itt. Fragile masculinity much.

>> No.18107572

>>18107557
Did no one watch the video? It is not critical of the book, and is mostly positive or neutral.

>> No.18107579

>>18107557
Oof yikes y'all, problematic mouthbreather chuds

>> No.18107588

>>18107572
I was expecting more from this video. It was kind of weak. Tube was more of enjoying herself, rather than providing anything to the table

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>>18107351
Just a quick reminder.

>> No.18107618

>>18107572
Finished just rn, its decent and gets into an important problem of Peterson (construction of an ideological boogeyman). But she should have elaborated on this part instead of just leaving it at the end, it needs more explication. Critics of Peterson already get the feeling that he misconstructs his enemies, so there is nothing new really for those who are critical of him.

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>>18107591
I don't know any of these "people" and I simply cannot summon the energy to give a bloody shit

>> No.18107630

>>18107351
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mfdKXKT5fg

>> No.18107633

>>18107618
>she

>> No.18107674

>>18107633
triggered?

>> No.18107681

>>18107495
This isn't /pol/

>> No.18107690

>>18107674
A little

>> No.18107698

Genuine question, why are there so many troons on /lit/ and /mu/? I don't frequent the latter but you can always tell when they are ITT because the quality of discussion dips massively. Not much different to Wignats ironically, both sects of delusional sadsacks

>> No.18107703

>>18107698
Desperate for validation, both intellectually and artistically. Neither understand that they are unwelcome.

>> No.18107716

>>18107499
Stop projecting, that post made it very clear that I dislike Peterson too. If you seriously think that a pretentious self-help guru and an e-celeb occupying the same place in philosophical discussion that doug Walker or angry joe do in film criticism are worth discussing on a literature board then you need to spend more time reading literature and less time watching trite video essays.

>> No.18107720

>>18107681
You’re right, and discussing eceleb sophists belongs on /pol/, not here.

>> No.18107722

>>18107698
I haven't noticed a significant number of troons on /lit/ except when we get brigaded by bunkerchan. /mu/ has been completely taken over by troons and normies though, it resembles a subreddit more than a 4chan board.

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>>18107698
>>18107633

>> No.18107729

>>18107720
BASED KING, LET EM KNOW

>> No.18107739

>>18107726
>Make literally one post about trannies because this thread is now just people posting trannies, and then people arguing about said trannies
>some faggot replies with some gay "meme" suggesting I am somehow obsessed with trannies

good job, never reply to my post ever again, retard

>> No.18107744

>>18107395
>>18107418
>>18107739
LMAO

>> No.18107746

>>18107726
I'll do it again

>she

>> No.18107752

>>18107739
youre doing what the schizo wojak is doing in that pic, projecting trannies where you cant tell if there are any. You HAVE to be at least a bit obsessed if you go to threads about things you dont like and imply the people who are posting are trannies lol. Thats kind of cute. Maybe you have unresolved issues. Who knows :D

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>> No.18107764

>>18107752
t. roon

>> No.18107770

>>18107764
think about this thread when at last you come out of the closet lol

>> No.18107778

>>18107351
>35 minutes.
You can read some of the best poetry ever written in the English language in that time.

>> No.18107779

>>18107752
>Thats kind of cute. Maybe you have unresolved issues. Who knows :D
I was about to type out a considered response until this. I may not know if you are or are not a tranny, but you certainly are the biggest faggot I've seen on this website for months. You should, with no sense of irony, end your life you miserable piece of shit.

>> No.18107787

>>18107395
>imagine browsing 4chan at 7am

>> No.18107791

You shouldn't argue with trannies. You should leave them be. They are mentally ill. Do you want to argue with depressed borderline psychotic individuals? Yeah... so forget about it. Let trannies be.
Trannies, same applies to you too. Let normal people be. You have already been granted so many things in this world. You don't have to impose yourself onto normal people every step of the way just to feel good or get a temporary moral victory. Leave normal people be.

>> No.18107807

>>18107779
wow, dont you think you reaction is a little bit over the board? haha

>> No.18107824

>>18107770
>>18107807
Why do mentally ill people always project?

>> No.18107825

What power does contra have? How can one femboi mind brake so many men and convert them into sissies?

>> No.18107831

A man dressed like that can have nothing insightful to say

>> No.18107842

>>18107807
I'm finna throw you overboard, boy

>> No.18107844

>>18107831
you sound fragile

>> No.18107860

>>18107351
>another 40 minute youtube philosophy vid with tgwtg tier costume skits

>> No.18107871

>>18107844
your asshole looks fragile

>> No.18107904

>>18107351
Nicholas is one ugly dude

>> No.18107916

>>18107860
They 26k a month on patreon.

>> No.18107940

>>18107916
So what, I a whole Coca Cola bottle every day

>> No.18107944

>>18107471
>why would you say it's armchair psychology without even knowing what the points made were?
because that is these people's primary mode of discourse. it is a social (media) matter, not an intellectual one. the title of video reveals this immediately. people don't use the word ideology when they are being neutral. even though it could be a neutral word, it isn't. i'm not going to watch the video because of these >>18107428 >>18107495. it's irritating garbage and shows how ridiculously nonexistent intellectual culture is among the general population if they two can be held up as authorities and not total retards. there isn't a single decent video of either. in other words, you are an internet gossipmonger and trying to push your gossip on a literature board.

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>>18107351
Lmao what's that tranny faggot? Why on his old videos hes normal?

>> No.18107983

>>18107698
its synchronized raids

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friendly reminder

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>>18107726
>>18107991

>> No.18108012

>>18107429
cry more, your tears are really salty yummmmy

>> No.18108013

>>18108010
what is it troon?

>> No.18108019

>>18108012
It's a shame you can't cry on antidepressants, subhuman.

>> No.18108022

>>18108013
nah I was showing our mutilated-genital friend there that raids are a real thing

>> No.18108032

>>18107495
yeah you're better off reading an anime imageboard filled with many deeply mentally ill midwit pseuds

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>>18107351
7 mins in cant take it, too boring. this person has always been boring. nothing against her except that shes really boring.

>> No.18108054

>>18107351
Who the fuck gives a flying fuck about Jordan Peterson.
He points you to Jung, that is the start and end of his value.
Sure he's intelligent, but he made his freedom of speech comments almost half a decade ago. Now he's just a guy publishing books.

>> No.18108058

>>18107698
its called a raid. they think they can colonise the board.

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>>18107698
I don’t know but I find it riotously funny that trannies can’t even pass on an anonymous image board. They exude non-femaleness in every way

>> No.18108065

OP here. Not a single point made ITT. Just accusations. Psychological accusations. Tranny accusations. Mental illness accusations.

Funny how the video actually addresses this but nobody bothered to watch while confidently responding to it. I'm out.

>> No.18108068

>>18107351
>tranny
i'm not for ad hominems but this kinda proves me wrong
>>18107787
not him but i kinda did the same since i couldnt sleep

>> No.18108069

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XRXT8xZ62s

>> No.18108071

>>18107726
Imagine spending more than an hour doing this fucking graph
shape up you worthless monstrosity

>> No.18108074

>>18108059
fucking KEK

>>18108065
bye then, faggot. Surely you knew posting a tranny would attract the inevitable tranny discussion? Why not just ask the questions/arguments posed in the video without the faggot attached next time?? Retard

>> No.18108075

>>18108065
loooool gender non conforming individual detected

>> No.18108077

>>18107351
this is what i picture the average anglo/nordcuck to be like.

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>>18108059

>> No.18108085

>>18107916
Milk out as much from the cow while you can. That kind of money might even end up with an early retirement and a revelation that you never gave a shit about anything in the first place.

>> No.18108089

>>18108065
if you want genuine discussion why not write a summary of the ideas and critiques of the book without the obnoxious mentally ill troon?
If the troon wants genuine discussion why does he have to put on a flamboyant, in-your-face show of its mental illness as a defining characteristic of his video topic? Why not just make a simple video where he's talking like a normal human ?

>> No.18108103

>>18107591
Why should I give a fuck? They’re all tranny hacks.

>> No.18108162

>>18107591
Based PT

>> No.18108185

>>18107787
This, it’s like drinking a can of beer when you wake up. Don’t do this to yourselves, guys. Get something done in the day before you give up and log on to 4channel.org.

>> No.18108291

>>18107726
Imagine being so upset that you make this just because someone said you weren't a woman

>> No.18108360

breadtube is a bunch of theatre kids who never developed beyond gossiping about stupid shit. Jordan Peterson might be a moron or wrong about philosophy or whatever, but he's been wrong for years now - why do they give a shit?

>> No.18108477

>>18107463
>using wojaks

>> No.18108512

>>18107591
What a fucking asshole that PT is

>> No.18108540

Got to the part 8 minutes in with the arson lady. Unfunny and didn't contribute to any thoughtful ideas.

>> No.18109260

>>18107351
Why would I listen to a failed man in makeup?

>> No.18109424

>>18108540
Contra and PT are so painful to watch. Just make your fucking points without some bullshit narrative

>> No.18109450

pathetic

>> No.18109464

I have never heard of this philosophy tube guy before he trooned out.

>> No.18109479

Give it to me straight /lit/, if you met a tranny in real life would you use their preferred pronouns? I would only use their new name, whatever it is. I think people can change their name but not their pronouns.

>> No.18109480

>>18107385
>things about the underlying motives for the book
is this bait or are you actually this retarded? we call this an ad hominem attack, my simple friend. google it.

>> No.18109489

>>18107351
oh my god he does a little girl-voice now

>> No.18109492

>>18109480
I don't think you understand what an ad hominem is. And motive isn't necessarily ulterior motive you absolute mong. ESL or retarded?

>> No.18109501

>>18109479
i am polite to people in general, I don't mind calling people whatever they wish to be called, just as if an insane homeless person approached me saying he was jesus I'd probably say "hi jesus." does this mean the homeless person has convince me that they're jesus, or that I will refer to him as such around other people? take a guess

>> No.18109517

>>18109489
How can you expect to be taken seriously by anyone if you're a walking caricature? Thats so sad

>> No.18109521

>>18109492
motive /= argument, simple as, cope/dilate

>> No.18109533

>>18107385
>mu critique, oh critique you know like it's french sounding it's skeptical which is always a nice recourse for when you run out of things to say like ''yeah I'm skeptical on that" critique une verre de vin rouge critique du fromage

>> No.18109538

>>18109517
not only this but I'd say it's fucking insulting to women. a woman in principle is not a done-up, baby-voiced, cartoon. this is just a minstrel routine

>> No.18109603

>>18109538
Yes. Transsexualism just comes from fetishization of women. They unironically believe a woman is intrinsically a girly, fragile sexual object. Like they believe in a magic woman "spirit" beyond the physical body. Its literal mysticism. Their notion of womanhood is always tied to taking cock, wearing makeup and pink clothes and being pretty/ sexy /slutty. That is the ultimate level of misoginy and they dont even realize it

>> No.18109617

>>18107591
Top fucking kek

>> No.18109660

>>18109603
Bang on

>> No.18109685

>>18109538
I think the fact that he started doing more performative videos before coming out is a big red flag.

>> No.18109701

>>18109533
Imagine being this anglophone.

>> No.18109782

>>18108058
We are to not go easy on them. If we don't bash every defence, suggestion, and downplay of tranny scum, they will find a foothold and ruin the board.

>> No.18109815

>>18107351
Bruh look at this dude

>> No.18109836

>>18107481
>irrationally angry
if you think that's bad you should see how these "people" react when you won't call them by their special pronoun

>> No.18109913

>>18107351
*watches contrapoints once*
Hack fraud

>> No.18110447

>>18107351
this dude took copying contrapoints too far imho

>> No.18110549

>>18107591
imagine chemically castrating yourself to ruin someone else's life.

>> No.18110772

>>18108039
>Peruvian who has to take half a pound of make-up to appear caucasian

how embarassing

>> No.18110809

>>18109603
Sounds based.

>> No.18110815

>>18110549
>touts being an actor
>explains that actors emotionally manipulate the truth through fiction
>transitions
>expects everyone to believe him
Lol. Out of all of bread tube he is the one I have absolutely hated the most. He lacks any sort of style or depth that the other idiots on the platform at least touch upon. This guy takes all of the worst elements of leftist discourse and posits them together into an amalgamation of utter garbage. His voice alone makes me want to bash my skill repeatedly into a wall. His insincerity makes me want to burn it all down.

>> No.18110827

>>18109603
It is funny how they reduce the "female" and the "female experience" to mere aesthetics.

>> No.18111095

>>18107698
4channel has always had a disproportionately large tranner contingent. I would wager that at least 1/6th of the users of this site are autogynephiles

>> No.18111127

>>18110827
To be fair they reduce everything to aesthetics

>> No.18111130

>>18107726
>she

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>>18108059
kek I never considered it

>> No.18111151

Watching these men in drag is really freaking me out lately. I think I'm becoming re-sensitized to how fucking deranged it all is. I was able to watch a few ContraPoints videos back in the day out of curiosity, but I tried watching this and it made me feel a combination of sick to my stomach, anxiety, and anger. It's a man in fucking drag acting like that's normal, forcing his sexuality on the viewer. I'm so tired of the freakshow. Why can't we cordon off a part of society and let them have it? Why do they need the whole thing?

>> No.18111154

>>18108065
It's a literally who responding to a nobody cares, why would anyone watch a 35 minutes video on it?

dilate retard

>> No.18111168

>>18111151
Nobody made you watch it lol

>> No.18111171

>>18111151
i want to drag him out into the street and slice his fucking neck open LOL

>> No.18111182

>>18111168
It is effectively compulsory when it spreads throughout the culture like a cancer and becomes the mainstream. If the culture industry hadn't been pushing this filth for the past half a century, people would still be normal, not fags in women's clothing trying to get access to children in restrooms.

>> No.18111190

>>18111182
I'm sure someone can help you with that paranoia, anon.

>> No.18111198

>>18109701
As embarrasing as speaking only english is, speaking english and french is way more embarrasing

>> No.18111214

>>18111171
Is this to bait people into threatening violence or something? I don't want violence against trannies, I want them to stop ruining their own lives and others by being freaks. Besides, his life is clearly miserable enough without anyone harming him. Dig a little bit into any of these people's lives and you will find out they're barely hanging on. Proof >>18107591

>>18111190
Your movement is the one that has had a major rapist problem for decades. You really think trannies are defensible? It's a man in women's clothing.

>> No.18111230

>>18111190
Are you retarded? A few years ago most people didn't know these people existed, now they're in every piece of media.

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>>18107351
I will not watch your tranny youtuber

>> No.18111368

he was a cutie too. shame.

>> No.18111419

>>18107726
Is this what trannies actually imagine.

>> No.18111432

>>18107351
I have zero respect for this person, because they are basically a carbon copy of Contrapoints.

At first, regular philosophy vids. Then more elaborate set pieces like with Contrapoints. Then went full-blown trans.

Literally just copying Contrapoints for the views. Probably not even actually trans.

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>>18107726

>> No.18111454

>>18108059
It's impossible to pass as a woman on 4chan because there are no women here

>> No.18111593

>>18107591
We really should start posting this every where. Get it out there enough until breadtubers have to talk about it.

>> No.18111603

>>18107351
tranny opinions do not matter

>> No.18111659

>>18107351
Why is this creature dressed like a white-backed vulture?

>> No.18111665

>>18107351
PhilosophyTube raped ContraPoints.

>> No.18111679

>no one talking about the book
go to pol then kys you braindead sacks of shit
imagine being so obsessed with tranny freaks that you talk about them instead of fucking books
sick fucking tranny obsessed degenerate faggot NOBOOKS

>> No.18111686 [DELETED] 

Hear Jordan talk about Christ recently and realised he has no clue about the Christian belief system which makes his lectures on religion all the more meaningless.

>> No.18111824

>>18107351
>posting Troon actor's channel in /lit/


I think you got lost somewhere.

>> No.18111836

>>18107351
he ruined himself jesus christ

>> No.18112075

>>18111679
woah anon.....easy on the seethe..

>> No.18112561

>>18107432
it's because they're all gay theater kids

>> No.18112652

>>18107351
This person is a rapist. They raped Contrapoints and then became trans so he wouldn't report him.

>> No.18112656

>>18112561
one of my biggest regrets in life was passing the oppurtunity to curb stomp a theater kid, public execution style

>> No.18112657

>>18111454
I knew a girl that used to post on /co/. She would always just pretend to be a gay man when she wanted to call superman sexy. Also I fucked her.

>> No.18112667

>>18111151
Other than the primitive part of people's brains not knowing how to treat a crossdressing freakshow in a normal public context, you're detecting that trannies enjoy the mini power trip of putting their sexual fetish out on public display and forcing the rest of society politely tolerate it against their natural instincts to be disgusted. They're narcissists and normal people find it unpleasant to have to bow to narcissists.

>> No.18112676

>>18111593
I second this

>> No.18112677

>>18107351
How is it that "the trans issue" has the ability to worm itself into every potential conversation and create these horrible culture war threads.

>> No.18112715

>>18112677
Occult war.

>> No.18113640
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>>18107351
>another tranny
kek, every single fucking time

>> No.18113643

>>18113640
it was a dead thread niggertoes

>> No.18113653

>>18107410
Actually I think trigger warnings for niggers and trannies would be amazing.

>> No.18113670

This guy has to know he doesn't pass at all.

>> No.18113697

Why is it, that despite growing up with imageboards, I feel an immense disgust when this youtuber sidementions "arseholes" and feel like I've entered a realm of intense filth. Like was that supposed to be a joke? Am I sensitive? I've basically been raised by 4chan but I feel there is miles of difference between anon typing some tale of lechery in the place where exactly such a tale belongs, and this youtuber making an obscene comment like it's something normal. I make distinctions between sacred space and profane space, but I feel like people like this youtuber make no such distinction and their lewdness saturates every aspect of their being.

>> No.18114038

>>18108032
corrct

>> No.18114132

>>18109521
Imagine being this naive. Grow up son

>> No.18114137

>>18113697
These seething tranny haters are more mentally ill than the trannies themselves, and they're radicalising you. Just read this thread. Do these people seem normal being so angry at a dude dressing in a costume? Peterson seems to have convinced millions of disillusioned 20 year olds that trannies (0.00001% of the population, if that) are the problem.

>> No.18114209

>>18107432
I think all of them watched Nostalgia Critic and he was the one who got them into youtube, explains both shitty skits as well as general autism

>> No.18114227

>>18107726
a lot of effort went into this, I guess

>> No.18114255

I hate this tranny so fucking much. Why can't we kill people like this?

>> No.18114265

>>18107432
>prancing around in all these elaborate costumes
All the glitz and glamour (if you're forgiving enough to call it that) is just another part of their flavor of smugness that draws casual viewers in. They're the enlightened ones, it's 'low class' to have different opposing opinions to them. It's very simple but it works on many because it's so simple. You don't want to be part of the lower unthinking class by opposing the glamorously individual person with a large vocabulary, do you?
Vaush is more for dudebro types and his mere presence makes males feel like it's "ok" still to be white and male while believing whatever Vaush believes in so he's presented to be fully relatable.

>> No.18114271

>>18114265
>glamorously
*glamorously dressed

>> No.18114280

>>18113697
Well yeah, the only reason many trannies do what they do is to play out a sexual fetish. A minority do it to run away from confronting their real problems but for a lot of them it's fetish related.

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>>18114255
>Why can't we kill people
anon

>> No.18114291

>>18108360
just mentioning his name is guaranteed clicks, you can guess why they care or pretend to

>> No.18114312

Wow a person who would present himself like that certainly isn't suffering from mental illness or a personality disorder.

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>>18107591

>> No.18114434

>>18107588
>Herself
YWNBAW

>> No.18114447

Imagine the sort of damage you could do to these creatures in a legal self defence situation

>> No.18114467

>>18107824
They're a cult
When you start thinking of them as a cult, it all makes sense

>> No.18114468

I really fucking hate trannies.

>> No.18114469 [DELETED] 

>>18107591
Imagine knowing enough to make images like this.

>> No.18114475

>>18107591
Imagine knowing enough to make this picture.

>> No.18114864

Trans rights is a transgression on womans rights

>> No.18114961

>>18114864
Unironically this. Trannies get to invade women's spaces, take over discussions about women's issues and actually pressure lesbians into fucking them. It's absolutely hilarious how feminism is currently backfiring on women and being used for the benefit of mostly men.

>> No.18114974

>>18114137
>Peterson seems to have convinced millions of disillusioned 20 year olds that trannies
i have never seen a Peterson video in my life.

>> No.18114978

>>18114974
You've indirectly been affected because Peterson infects midwits with these ideas and they spread them like AIDS

>> No.18115011

>>18114137
>oh if you're so normal why can't you handle an obnoxious tranny flaunting its "sexuality" in everything it does?
Well if that tranny is so "normal" why cant it discuss the subject matter without once being an uptight obnoxious weirdo?

>> No.18115020

>>18114475
kek, no thank you.

>> No.18115074

>>18115011
That tranny is mentally ill but so are the trannyposters. Honestly tell me where do you think this extreme hatred comes from all of a sudden?

>> No.18115111

>>18115074
It comes from the fact that pro tranny propaganda is everywhere to the point where actual discussion and action is being sidelined by some retard coming out as the opposite sex.
Every notice how a tranny will derail any conversation into a sob story about itself? Ever notice how twitter and reddit, 2 big normie sites actively promote transgenderism? Ever notice the hundreds of articles coming out every month trying to normalize transgenderism. Ever heard of "granting freedom to 12 year olds to take puberty blockers"? You can't even deny it at this point. You cant even say "show me". Its everywhere. Refer to >>18111435 for more details.
I literally don't care about trannies. But if trannies want to obnoxiously impose themselves and their long list of mental illnesses on others, then cry "transphobe" and "systemic oppression" as soon as someone says "hey discuss the subject matter without the rest of it, it is starting to get on my nerves", don't be surprised when people react negatively.
But I'm sure you will ignore all the points I just made and continue accusing of trannyposters of being "mentally ill".
Carry on.

>> No.18115115

>>18114978
...really? he seems extremely milquetoast slightly rightof cebter jungian to me? are you sure you arent just obsessed with him as an easy visable target? Trannies by their very nature are fey, you dont need some suspender wearing Canadian for that thought to creep on you since it requires an specific conception of what sex and gender is and is not exactly a naturalized phenomenon in western (or any society i know of) society as a whole. Its not like everyone would be accepting of trans folx if memeson wasn't around. Do you honestly think he is a cause and not a product of a zeitgeist? kek.

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>>18115111
There are certainly more pro-trans messages now but I think you are overblowing how much of the airwaves they occupy. And even IF they were as ubiquitous as you claim, it is not surprising given that it seems to be the subject of the current social movement. If you were 20 in the 80s you'd be complaining about pro-gay propaganda. Also you are focusing on extreme Twitter opinion, not common opinion.

I'm not even disagreeing with you I'm just saying that you could very easily ignore the extreme views by avoiding dogmatic corners of the internet.

>>18115115
He is definitely an influential figure. Influence can happen in subtle ways.

>> No.18115158

>come out as "transgender"
>couple months later come out as "lesbian"
God this is so fucking weird and they all do it. TERFs are right about one thing at least.

>> No.18115161

>>18114978
You are either one of the man's orbiters or it itself, doesn't matter, get away from the fucking board, go back to Twitter, Jordan Peterson is a Canadian basic-bitch conservative who preaches self-discipline, he is not Goebbels, he is not Spengler, and he is not that big of a figure anymore. Shut up and go back.

>> No.18115179

>>18115153
>Also you are focusing on extreme Twitter opinion, not common opinion.

Why are we acting disingenuously as if Twitter extremism hasn't become the de facto dominant opinion? Trannies back in 2010 were hidden deep in Tumblr and other similar places, now they are fully normalized and you are literally Hitler if you don't want to be coerced to play along with some man's fantasy.

Twitter opinion is not "common" opinion, but it is the dominant one and the only one you're allowed to have if you want to have any type of civil existence.

>> No.18115201

>>18115153
>He is definitely an influential figure. Influence can happen in subtle ways.
ok? you could say the same of contra points or PT. seeing it as a petersonian trend or a PT trend just retards the topic to a miopic discussion of particulars within a wider zeitgeist.

on your previous point, I think you just explained why its completely ration as to why trannyposters exist. Its a conceptually diometic topic that is brought up and is visible more clearly, thus prompting trannyposting. makes perfect sense sequentially.

>> No.18115205

>>18115153
>you could very easily ignore the extreme views by avoiding dogmatic corners of the internet
I have. I don't care. Only replying cause you asked.
But think about it this way: reddit, twitter and the rest are big normie websites. Normalizing transgenderism doesn't happen in one go. It happens slowly. Eventually it will come to the point where you literally cant criticize trannies and it will become a normal thing for kids to transition. So nip it in the bud. Not just "ignore it". Cause "ignoring it" might be the "psychologically healthy sanctioned" thing to do according to you, but it is slowly encroaching into becoming normal.

>> No.18115215

>>18115205
Also lets not pretend twitter opinions are just echochamber opinions. They are the norm now. Just like how I described it has become the norm now. Soon other openly digusting and vile things will become the norm. And you'll still be here saying "oh just ignore it bro, that's just an extreme opinion".

>> No.18115217

>>18115205
>will become a normal thing for kids to transition

It already is on the verge. Like, there is this huge campaign to give drugs to children to permanently stunt their development. This is within the realm of acceptable speech those days. It's completely insane.

>> No.18115236

>>18114132
Imagine coming back to a response hours later to save face and still being wrong/tremendously stupid. keep crying faggot

>> No.18115360

>>18107351
Quite a vapid review honestly, dismissing away any attempt to conserve aspects of a system because "I can't recieve proper medical care as a tranny" is so fucking dumb. Fools watch this shit to gush over the mediocre jokes and MUH AESTHETICS. So this guy decides to go into some depth and describe philosophical ideas, great.

It's sad because Peterson is so easy to find proper gripes with, the whole "well obviously conservatism works for you, you're a privileged white male!" shit is so naive.

>> No.18115370

>>18115153
it doesn't matter how niche the opinion is in the general populace, it matters that it has institutional power.

>> No.18115378

>>18107432
It's all part of the LARP

>> No.18115423

>>18114137
This post sounds like you have a good opinion of yourself and confidence in your own morals, yet it makes me think you are a massive cuntbag. You overplay the "tranny haters" and underplay gender problems in our society, and then go on to slander Peterson (who I don't really care for, but what you say about him is just not true).
>they're radicalising you
They're posting their opinions online. They're not the CIA or KGB. If people agree, then it's not their fault.
>Do these people seem normal being so angry at a dude dressing in a costume?
That's what it appears to be on the absolute shallowest level. If you've been keeping up with the news the past decade and were honest you'd know it goes so much deeper than that, and is just a recent manifestation of a something larger and more concerning.
>Peterson seems to have convinced millions....
All Peterson said was that he was against compelled speech and didn't think it was right to force people to use certain pronouns. You're making him into a bad guy here.

>> No.18115426

>>18115360
>the whole "well obviously conservatism works for you, you're a privileged white male!" shit is so naive.

This actually makes me mad because trannyism IS a fetish of some of the most privileged people out there. And I mean it. I know there were many transvestites among the homeless, prostitutes, homosexuals who were expeled by their families and so on, but here's the thing: those people trooned out DUE to mental illness caused by the extreme lives they were thrown into. It was a cope to deal with a legit harsh situation.

The modern day liberal tranny like PhilosophyTube literally uses those people as springboards to elevate their fetishism into virtue, into a bludgeon to beat others with, into power and money. I really fucking hate trannies, let me tell you fucking that.

>> No.18115453

>>18115426
I don't hate anyone for those aspects of themselves, my own conservatism is borne out of compassion. I realize how fucking bizarre the west is and I'm not so sure it's as strong as we all pretend it is. A single generation can undo all of it. I want trannies to have functional electrical grids and good life prospects for the same reason I want them for my friends and neighbours, and they simply can't in the vast majority of the world due to, in my opinion mainly ideological causes.

>> No.18115460

>>18115360
30 something minutes and literally nothing of value said. I’ve got serious problems with Peterson and I guess I was stupid in expecting at least one good argument. Not even one. Pure rhetoric and propaganda. Starting to think these people are willfully propagandistic, malevolent, and manipulative. Kinda shows when he mentioned the Jews for no reason at all, to push forward the point that propaganda and social engineering aren’t willfully conducted it’s just how things werk. Yeah.....we’re talking about Britain here, and you think there isn’t a shady clique willfully engineering the populace? Then mentioning the Jews as deflecting to make the claim seem ridiculous, but anglos pulling strings is not ridiculous. No way you can be this naive. Malevolence is involved.

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>>18114384
Fucking kek and saved.

>> No.18115505

>>18115460
I think many people don't actually know what it feels like to learn something, like to actually have a deep moment of insight that transcends manipulation, that rings so honeslty true and valuable that it speaks for itself. So, they settle for amusing antics and comforting aesthetics, they contentedly eat morsel of light salad, rubbing their empty bellies with satisfaction, while somewhere out of reach there lies a thick beefsteak with gravy and mash.

>> No.18116324

>>18107557
define masculinity

>> No.18116338

>>18107591
they're all psychotic trannies. what a trainwreck.

>> No.18116358

>>18107726
>Doesn't even like speedrunning, still marks AGDQ on his calendar just to shitpost about pronouns
i don't even know what this is or what it means but seems like a tranny made this pic

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>Philosophy Troon
Not even going to watch it.

>> No.18116406

>>18107807
do you know where you are?

>> No.18116414

>>18107831
indeed

>> No.18116456

>>18107351
Why are you all giving this garbage views? You're literally giving money to this subhuman.

>> No.18116488

>>18114978
get help

>> No.18116518

>>18115153
>but I think you are overblowing how much of the airwaves they occupy.
nope.

>not common opinion.
ask any woman in her 20s how she feels about trans and she will spout some bullshit she doesnt even believe but has been brainwashed to say out of fear of social ostracizing if she were to say otherwise. a biological woman is forced to be an ally even though biological women are most at risk for destruction of their femininity from trannies

>> No.18116529

>>18116456

I prefer to call them infrahumans.

>> No.18116588

>>18115020
Yeah, you would probably have to be a troon yourself.
You'll see plenty of these in /lgbt/ because one way for them to cope about being an ugly dude on hormones is to be "transphobic" to other troons they're jealous about or dislike in some way.
The whole board is a crab bucket.

>> No.18116712

>>18111432
>they

>> No.18116805

I genuinely don't give a shit about trannies, be whatever the fuck you want, just leave me out of it (pride parades, for example, are going too far), but for some reason I found it hilarious when he came out.

>> No.18117084

>>18107429
Huh, you're actually mad

>> No.18117186

is this peak midwit?
>>18116805
Naïve. They have an inherent need to drag everyone into their bs.

>> No.18117199

>>18110772
She's Spaniard.

>> No.18117204

On the show Sunday Morning they were interviewing Gay priests and some of them had taken oaths of celibacy. They were talking about the 'weight' of coming out to their congregation and how it was tied to identity and not sexual acts. Simulacra at it's fucking finest. How does one find such deep self definition from something they are unable to act upon? Why?

>> No.18117212

>>18117199
i´m from south america and whiter than her

>> No.18117254

>>18114864
Them calling others incels is just projection.
They are all incels; they hate women and they want lesbians to suck their dicks and that's it.

>> No.18117261

>>18117186
>drag
I see what you did there

>> No.18117527

>>18115153
You get banned from Twitter by referring to female impersonators by their legal name.

Aside from the fact that this is a ridiculous constraint to free, non-violent speech, it also comes in handy when sex offenders of this ilk get arrested for sex crimes...as publishing news stories under their legal names is verboten.

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>popular youtuber
>literal troon
>"philosophy" is in their name
and why would I waste my time on this?

>> No.18118089

>>18115360
>Peterson is so easy to find proper gripes
Name one

>> No.18118105

>trans
>fucks up as a person after 8 seconds into the vid
>phil tube

Pathetic.

>> No.18118134

>>18107385
>pretty good critique
The video is not watchable after 5 seconds because a trans perosn made it. Trans people should drop dead. I'm not a Peterson fan.

>> No.18118315

>The sheer seething in this thread
I hope she gets posted every day from now on

>> No.18118329

>>18118134
Hey at least you made it 5 seconds in, not a small feat for a cuckservative

>> No.18118339

>the voice
yo this dude is legit playing dress up rn and he thinks people should listen to him? how fucking out of touch with reality does on have to be to commit to such a gross charicature as an actual way of life?

>> No.18118370

>jordan peterson
>in 2021
>"bread tube"
>in 2021
>after this person went insane and transitioned
>monday april 26th of 2021
please unfuck your watery little peanut monkey brains as soon as possible

>> No.18118563

>>18114961
That actually sounds based

>> No.18118592

>>18118563
Why do you think so many incels are doing it?

>> No.18118633

>>18107351

kek, do PT actually transition? thats actually hilarious. Havent watch anything of his in like 2 years. Interesting path I guess.

>> No.18118701

>>18108039
>her

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I wonder if lefties are self-aware enough to realize actual intellectuals regard them as living, breathing jokes and they can only really take control of the minds of people like Twitch kids and Youtube tweens?

Someone the other day posted that graph where something like 60% of Destiny's audience was 16 and below. These are people who take themselves very seriously and are well into their 30s.

>> No.18118730

>>18117212
same here. parece tremeda peruca. bastante tipico en españa. hace unos años había una que era de nicaragua o algo así, tambien marrón que se hacía la supremacista balnca... seguramente son shills de la cia

>> No.18118779

>>18118730
>hace unos años había una que era de nicaragua o algo así, tambien marrón que se hacía la supremacista balnca... seguramente son shills de la cia

no es eso, es que esas personas inmigrantes tienen complejo de inferioridad porque los españoles le ven como indio y no como uno de los suyos, asi que tienen que larpear que son contra el "judio" y cualquier otra cosa supremacista para estar en sus gracias, a mi me parece patetico ese comportamiento y un poco gracioso al mismo tiempo, tipico de morenazis de clase baja

>> No.18118810

>>18118706
They are aware but as they are pedophiles they don't care. They actually profit. In the long run pedophiles will be legal and common sense. The trans movement is doing a great job at making consevatives think it's actually about them while in fact it's all about the pedophilic vampires sucking off the suffering of children.

>> No.18118820

>>18107351
I, for one, welcome the tranny fad. It's soft eugenics at its very best. You make absolutely 100% sure that these nutcases will never get to spread their subhuman genes, profiting the populace at large. And the best part is that no amount of force is involved, with just a little bit of propaganda and social engineering these people actually convinced themselves that the solution to their mental and personality problems is cutting off their dick.
The nazis were absolute amateurs

>> No.18118824

>>18118810
Alex Jones was right

>> No.18118844

>>18107351
Fuck Peterson

>> No.18118848

>>18118779
esa es la otra... lo mismo que los hippies con osde. vos de donde sos? colombia?

>> No.18118861

>>18118824
Exactly.

>> No.18118862

>>18118848
Paraguay

>> No.18118868

>>18118862
kjjjjj que te haces el balnco entonces? bue en realidad no dijiste serlo

>> No.18118885

Can someone give a quick summary of the tranny in the OP video? Was he/she always a philosopher or did that start when he started wanting to be a real woman

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>>18118868
vos te imaginas que un indio seria capaz de estar en un imageboard de habla inglesa para hablar de literatura? una foto mia para comparación

>> No.18118949

>>18118820
I don't like these sorts of justifications. How many of these people would have lived perfectly normal lives if they had been born 10 years earlier?

>> No.18118957

>>18107351
can't even figure it out his gender why should i take his opinion on anything seriously

>> No.18119030

>>18118886
patético

>> No.18119107

>>18107991
>>18108010
It’s funny because all the Marxist/ socialist threads are equally if not more moronic that /pol/ threads.

/lit/ needs to return to traditional values of Harold bloom posting and avoiding all politics and schools of resentment posts in favour of actual LITERATURE

>> No.18119146

>>18118886
a bright day with high exposure
hmm

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>>18119146

>> No.18120417

>>18118885
He was a stock standard stereotype of a leftist 'breadtuber' guy who appealed to casual viewers browsing yt. There's something about how he was briefly romantically (?) involved with Contrapoints (the top breadtuber and mtf) and became a trannie a little after they had a falling out. And everything after that point he's put in a lot of effort to become a discount british knockoff of Contrapoints

>> No.18120450

>>18107351
>spends ages talking about tranny shit trying to explain phenomenology
>skips over husserl
>tries to use the chair example, just goes straight into talking about tranny shit

>> No.18120458

>>18120417
I was expecting something like this channel, but with less retarded content, I was disappointed

https://youtube.com/user/RoyIntPhilosophy

>> No.18120466

>>18120450
It's been a main pivot for the 2 top popular breadtubers. They just end up winding it all back to being about themselves and tranny shit instead of the actual topic. Maybe because they know their gripes as 'rebels' will inevitably start to ring very hollow even to their fans when their aligned side already controls a lot of the culture and institutions, so they choose to morph into the one niche minority category available to them (trans) to avoid having to acknowledge anything besides the gripes of being trans.

>> No.18121187

>>18107351
so ridiculous to see a man dressed as a woman
what a farce

>> No.18121210

why does this tranny look so obviously like a man in a dress, but the tranny images posted 4chan are indistinguishable from regular women

>> No.18121226

>>18117204
gay priests are soon to be history now most Christians are in Africa asia s america

>> No.18121229

holy shit, this guy or girl is making at least $16,000 a month on Patreon

https://www.patreon.com/PhilosophyTube

>> No.18121242

>>18121210
he started his tranny journey at like 30 years old, can't reverse all those years of testosterone. seems like he skipped out on facial plastic surgery since that's one major thing trannies like to do if they have the money

>> No.18121365

>>18121229
It's actually offensive how much this guy rips off ContraPoints
https://www.patreon.com/contrapoints

>> No.18121449

boring

>> No.18121478

>>18121365
Contrapoints is a washed up bag of mental illness and alcoholism but his too-eager copycat has serious creeper vibes, as if he aspires to steal Contra's skin and wear it as his own

>> No.18121686

>>18107351
>he became a tranny
like clockwork
is hbomberguy next?

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18121701

Fuck trannies
*dabs*

>> No.18121723

>>18121701
>fucking trannies
gay, cringe and unbased

>> No.18121740

>>18118886
>>18119149
ganha musculo, seu cabrão de merda

>> No.18121741

>>18121723
>>fucking trannies
straight, based and uncringe

>> No.18121742

>>18121741
you have to go back

>> No.18121745

HO LI FUK
Why is this thread still alive?
Let it die.
No one cares about a tranny's shallow takes on another shallow writer.

>> No.18121763

>>18121745
I do.

>> No.18121786

>>18121745
This is peak lit tho
Ecelebs talking about ecelebs while 4channers discuss ecelebs

>> No.18121881

>>18118820
It's not really eugenics though because trannyism is not propagated genetically, but through brainwashing of the youth.

>> No.18121885

>>18121742
Oh anon, I'm only having a bit of fun

>> No.18121908

>>18121885
same here anon, same here

>> No.18122215

Threadly reminder to pray for those who fell victim to satan's transgenderism umbrella who blocks the light of the Lord for these sad creatures.

>> No.18122261

>>18107351
I used to like Peterson until he got exposed as a drug user and drug addict. He was primarily a fighter against stinky leftistists and sjw, now he is literally just a joke, his qualifications didn't dissapear because of drugs but his political standing is gone. No one takes him seriously anymore.

>> No.18122324

>>18116358
>>18114227
>>18111435
>>18111130
>>18108291
>>18108071
>>18108010
>>18107746
>>18107739
as expected, triggered a bunch of fragile chuds

>> No.18122722

>>18122261
How does taking prescription medication and having a bad time getting off them ruin his standing?

>> No.18122750

>>18122722
Because people don't want to listen to someone who's own life is a mess. Peterson himself talks about this.

>> No.18122786

>>18107351
You can even see the moustache shadow on this ugly tranny lmao wtf

>> No.18122798

>>18122750
The way I see it, no tree can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell

>> No.18122820

This shit bait thread shouldn’t have gotten so many replies, you disappoint me /lit/

>> No.18122838
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>>18122324

>> No.18122864

>>18122838
I started reading this a few hours ago and I'm afraid to say that it's written by a schizo. It brings up dajoos in the introduction.
It's a shame because the topic of medical institutions promoting transgenderism and pushing hormone blockers on pre-teens for massive economic gains is an interesting one, that deserves a decent exploration.

>> No.18122879

>>18122864
>dajoos
so what? Is it forbidden criticize jews if they are mostly the cause of something? Seems like you're the schizo.

>> No.18122900

>>18122879
You better have some rock solid evidence if you want to bring it up and be taken seriously. Instead this books brings up both dajoos and Soros out of nowhere, just stopping short of putting ((())) around names.
It almost makes me think it's a false flag to discredit the topic by associating it with wignats.

>> No.18122908

>>18119149
"¡Onions totalmente blaco, amigos! ¿Acaso creen que un indio estaría acá discutiendo de literatura?"

Como si /lit/ leyera. Para más inri; tienes las agallas de postear tu piel mestiza en el board. Tu complejo de inferioridad es infatigable, y estoy seguro de que eres de los que llenaron este puto board de mierda, hacíendolo incluso peor que /his/. Mátate de una buena vez. No eres blanco y, aún si lo fueras, seguirías siendo un oligofrénico.

>> No.18122918

>>18122900
You forgot to explain how he was wrong except that you don't like it that he brings up the ethnicity of those involved. Would you have said the same if the persons involved were Chinese and he pointed this out or what?

>> No.18122950

>>18107437
how come there are no vtuber pop-philosophy channels yet

>> No.18122953

>>18122918
Yes but it's even worse that it's dajoos because of the large amount of lunatics screaming about dajoos in particular. To be honest I'm scrolling through the book and it seems to be all trash, it doesn't really address its subject matter at all, Billing's The Socio-Medical Construction of Transexualism is a better version of this book, except that it came out in 1982 and doesn't cover anything since then.

>> No.18122957

>>18107698
4chan is trans

>> No.18122964

>>18107726
Cringe or based ironicposter

>> No.18122968

>>18122953
Aha so he shouldn't tell the truth because facts have connotations you don't like? That's retarded.
>Billing's The Socio-Medical Construction of Transexualism
Thanks for the rec though, I'll check it out and compare.

>> No.18122972

>>18107698
/lit/ is pretty good as far as having a diverse thinking group of people. /mu/ is unusable

>> No.18122985

>>18121210
Those are gay men trying to become as effeminate as possible to fuck buff retards. They have no interest being in women spaces because there are no men their to fuck them.

>> No.18122999

>>18122838
okay, lets say da joos are pushing transgenderism for profits. So what are the loser tradwhites doing meanwhile? Fighting back? Spreading the good news of traditional gender roles? No of course not, they are not manly themselves. All they do is cry and blogpost on obscure forums lmao. So much for the tradional masculinity.

>> No.18123008

>>18122999
Wow the ressentiment is astounding. Do you feel better now?
Pointing out who is behind it is a starting point at least. What are you doing about it?

>> No.18123050

>>18123008
if your ideas are losing the cultural war, then you should reconsider your position. You are the weakling loser. Just like seething sjws. At least they go for power and seep into academic institutions. Poltards like you do nothing. If so, just remain quiet. As Plotinus said, the rulers rule because of cowards - and its just!

>> No.18123074

>>18123050
>if your ideas are losing the cultural war, then you should reconsider your position. You are the weakling loser. Just like seething sjws. At least they go for power and seep into academic institutions.
Lmao why so disingenuous? You act as if ideas sway people. No, propaganda sways people. Read Ellul and/or Bernays. The elite capitalists have control of the propaganda machine and therefore decide which ideas get disseminated. Pointing out who is behind it is at least a starting point. SJWs are the useful idiots for one world government and re doing the ground work excellently.
You still haven't said what you're doing about it instead of crying about muh pol and deflecting from who is behind it because it hurts your (fake) vagina.

>> No.18123133

>>18123074
>the elite capitalists have control of the propaganda machine and therefore decide which ideas get disseminated
you dont need propaganda for this, you need to control ideological state apparatuses that reproduce hegemonic ideas. The concept of propaganda is outdated, since most of the people take over hegemonic ideas without being manipulated. Marxists have pointed this out almost 100 years ago already and you still fall for meme thinkers.
>you still haven't said what you're doing about it
I have no stake in this game. I came here to laugh at poltards

>> No.18123176

>>18123133
>The concept of propaganda is outdated, since most of the people take over hegemonic ideas without being manipulated.
You're retarded. No wonder you fell for marxist propaganda if you think propaganda is outdated lmao. What a pseud.
>I have no stake in this game. I came here to laugh at poltards
Thanks for admitting you're disingenuous. Now I understand why you didn't like the author pointing out the jews, they're your prophets.

>> No.18123193

>>18116358
That's probably the most accurate accusation in the whole thing.

>> No.18123221

>>18123176
Your daddy Ellul was a big Marx fan, propaganda is outdated since most people adopt hegemonic ideas in their childhood without the need of "technological manipulation", I dont like jews, you're still the seething resentful loser and as it looks, you will be like this for hmmm lets say your whole life. Dilate seethe, etc etc.

>> No.18123229

>>18123221
btw this quote is about you
“Bad men rule by the feebleness of the ruled; and this is just; the triumph of weaklings would not be just.”
― Plotinus, The Enneads

>> No.18123272

>>18123221
Marx =/= Marxists retard. Ellul, as anyone with a working brain, takes what works from any source.
>propaganda is outdated since most people adopt hegemonic ideas in their childhood without the need of "technological manipulation"
You absolute retard. How do you think those hegemonic ideas attain and maintain that position?
>I dont like jews
Then what's your issue with pointing out their role in transgenderism? You're such a disingenuous fuck.
Seems like you're projecting hard my dude.
>>18123229
And how does it not apply to you? Lmao. You still haven't told me what you're doing about it instead of crying about it on an imageboard and pointing fingers. You're no better than the poltards you rail against, posting Plotinus quotes won't change that.

>> No.18123322

>>18123272
>You absolute retard. How do you think those hegemonic ideas attain and maintain that position?
ideological reproduction that doesnt need any conscious planning, just like DNA reproduction doesnt need it. People adopt hegemonic ideas, they behave according to them and reproduce the conditions for reproduction and the relations that are implied by them. Read Althusser, Bourdieu. Spergs like you should have started with Spinoza instead of seeing evil actors behind everything.
>Then what's your issue with pointing out their role in transgenderism?
its theoretical, not moral. You just seem not to grasp the complexity of the situation and look for easy solutions. Jews controlling da media is an easy solution, since it explain a lot in one line of thought and appeals to your resentful instincts. From the moral and cultural perspective, there is nothing wrong with the spread of transgenderism. Its necessary according to our current material and social/political conditions. No amount of resentful moral seething about ebvil joos will change that.
>and how does it not apply to you? Lmao. You still haven't told me what you're doing about it
I said I have no stake in this game. You should not do anything about natural processes. Unless you want to change the material and social fabric of the society itself. But goodluck with that.

>> No.18123358

>>18123322
>Althusser
>Bourdieu
>Spinoza
Thanks for confirming you're a retard. You still didn't answer how those hegemonic ideas attain and maintain that hegemonic position.
>look for easy solutions. Jews controlling da media is an easy solution, since it explain a lot in one line of thought and appeals to your resentful instincts.
No, you don't seem to understand. It's not "if we get rid of da jooz eberyytin will be solved!!" Of course not. It has to do with the moral framework they work from since they are the embodiment of the modern spirit.
>From the moral and cultural perspective, there is nothing wrong with the spread of transgenderism. Its necessary according to our current material and social/political conditions.
You're a degenerate retard who likes arguing semantics, that's for sure. I see why so many Marxist thinkers appeal to you.
>I said I have no stake in this game. You should not do anything about natural processes.
Then why even have this conversation? You tell me you hate jews, you think other books about how transgenderism is bad are better than the one that mention the jews, yet now claim you have no stake? You've lost all credibility my man (did I just misgender you?)
>Unless you want to change the material and social fabric of the society itself. But goodluck with that.
Yes because that's never happened before, society has always been like this and just moves forward without human intervention. Retard. I'll agree arguing about it on here will do nothing so good luck sucking tranny dick in the future.

>> No.18123420

>>18123358
>You still didn't answer how those hegemonic ideas attain and maintain that hegemonic position.
I did just explain how they maintain, google ideological reproduction and read up on Bourdieu and Atlhusser if you want a more detailed explanation. How they attain, it depends on a particular sociohistorical circumstances and the propaganda is a secondary mean, not the cause.
>It has to do with the moral framework they work from since they are the embodiment of the modern spirit.
and how do you fight against that?
> You tell me you hate jews
I didnt say I hate them, I just dont like them because they are moralistic by nature, just like you are (maybe you have the jewish genes, who knows. They are self hating after all, no?).
>society has always been like this and just moves forward without human intervention.
yes. What you see as a human intervention has a concrete material, social, historical conditions that make any human action secondary and not primary.

>> No.18123797

>>18117084
Nice samefagging faggot

>> No.18124114

So, does this person just rip off contrapoints? I'm over 10 mins in and they haven't said anything yet (just a shitty basic definition of phenomenology, after flexing they're familiar with Husserl and a shitty basic definition of structuralism). There's been more content about how they're a tranny and "passing" than actual philosophy.

>> No.18124282

>>18124114
Yeah, they've shifted their channel to be a copypasta of Contrapoints. I tried watching the Jordan Peterson video, but barely made it 5 minutes before I got completely bored with the usual leftist non-statements and fluff. It seems to be more about narrative framing and dancing around ideas, rather than actual content.

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>>18124282
I had Peterson as a prof when I was in university. He was pretty well known on campus before he blew up internationally.

Most criticism of him is midwit level nonsense; a lot of it ignores his phenomenological tendencies and/or mischaracterizes such. That video references such as if it were something he's moved on to which is pretty stupid...we spent like 2-4 weeks on them in PSY230 and they were heavily treated in the textbook we had in the class (pic).

I'll reply to this message with a better book to read if you want to do some diligence and take apart some of his ideas.

(FYI: The second half of PSY230 isn't on YouTube; that was the more technical part of the course that dealt with psychometric measurement and breaking down the Big Five model. In that section, he said blacks have low IQs (but framed it in terms of social programmes not being suitable to address it and help them)).

The textbook was great btw. It's out of print but you can find it on Amazon fairly easily (he licensed it for the course...the version the UofT Bookstore sold was abridged for the course and over $200...I got mine for $8).

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>>18124282
>>18124413
Good rundown of his major influences that examines why they lend themselves to rightwing extremism. (Peterson also loves Nietzsche; it goes without saying why he's in the same boat (rightly or wrongly...I'm not debating, just posting a useful book for people interested).

>> No.18124709

>>18124425
Thank you for the recommendations
>Good rundown of his major influences that examines why they lend themselves to rightwing extremism
>Peterson also loves Nietzsche; it goes without saying why he's in the same boat
Now I'm confused. What does Nietzsche and the others have to do with rightwing extremism? I can see their ideas being used for such (you can twist ideas for most any agenda), but why would any of it put him in the same boat if he's clearly not pushing any form of extremism?

>> No.18124747

>>18124709
Besides Peterson is not a rightwing extremist, he's a milquetoast christian liberal.

>> No.18124752

>>18124747
He's not even Christian. He just understands Christian mythology to the point of being able to deliver it without the dogma.

>> No.18124875

>>18107351
why is it that trannies always appeal to the normiest of normies?
Wouldn't it make more sense that someone willing to humiliate themselves to this degree would have a humiliating interest or something, it's basically just exhibitionism without the danger at this point