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[Anonymous No.18092423]

If we build a city on mars, what would its culture looks like? Would it be Athens 2?

[Anonymous No.18092454]

[Anonymous No.18092464]

noidontthinkso

[Anonymous No.18092471]

>>18092423
>Would it be Athens 2?
Let's all laugh at this stupid faggot.

[Anonymous No.18092484]

>>18092423
What culture?

It's going to be capitalist, therefor a little race to the bottom culturally speaking. Everything will be owned by Space-Pepsi and Space-Nestle.

[Anonymous No.18092506]

>>18092484
>selected population
>lack of resource
Wouldn't that prevent consumerism on mars?

[Anonymous No.18092519]

>>18092423
Musk is literally an AnCap. He's described himself as a "Utopian Anarchist". He's cited books like "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" as part of his favourites. The man is not cultured, cultivated or wordly. He's a mediocre engineer with the right connections. He's reddit-incarnate. You're deluding yourself if you think it'd be anything beyond CorpoLand. The man clearly has a
>haha lasers and pew-pew blocks with lights
mindset.

[Anonymous No.18092526]

>>18092423
There is no reason to go to Mars.

1. No cheap energy.
2. No abundant resources.
3. Gravity well makes trade difficult.
4. Gravity to low for human health.

Living in space on the other hand.

1. Plenty of free solar energy.
2. Plenty of mineral rich asteroids, you can cheaply move through space.
3. Because space is not a gravity well, trade is cheaper and easier.
4. You can create earth-like artificial gravity using an oneil cylinder.

Nobody will colonise Mars, except out of pure intellectual curiosity or very far in the future, when we already have a massive space economy.

If Musk where pragmatic and not an idealist, he would move an astroid in earths orbit, mine it, drop the stuff down in the pacific using shuts and build a large space station to manage the operation.

[Anonymous No.18092533]

>>18092454
This
>>18092423
Not a book but watch Ad Astra, burgerpunk capitalism will spread into space

[Anonymous No.18092537]

>>18092423
if you think it'll be anything other than a giant mix of sodom and gomorrah, silicon valley, calabasas, bohemian grove, coachella and burning man vip sections and little st. james you must think that this notion of planetary escape and galactic colonisation is meant for common folk. it will be the ultimate gated community. no one with a net worth whose zero's aren't in the double digits will ever go there or truly know what's going down there
>>18092454
you're surprisingly optimistic

[Anonymous No.18092539]

>>18092423
Imagine living in a submarine. That's what living on mars would be live.

[Anonymous No.18092551]

>>18092526
>move an astroid in earths orbit
and then utterly fail, causing it to impact earth, thus bringing about the next great extinction event. good job elon

[Anonymous No.18092571]

>>18092519
But that's just the kind of figure suited to the mythology of space exploration. If such fantasies of growth beyond the planet take off, then it will be predominantly by the hand engineering for decades, if not centuries. Look at your terminology - worldly, cultivated - these are terrestrially bound words. Do you really think CorpoLand (Re: >>18092454) will thrive in space within our lifetimes? It'll be all about efficiency, calculations, orbits, payloads, propellent, delta-v; engineering. There's very little room for anything else. CorpoLand is the decadent whimsey of terrestrial late capitalism.

[Anonymous No.18092576]

>>18092423
>Would the first city on Mars be Athens 2?
more like New New York 2020

[Anonymous No.18092606]

>>18092526
Exactly this. If there are any missions to Mars, it'll be by the curiosity and problem-solving creativity of engineers. The impulse that drives an artist to make a painting is the same that drives the engineer to build; it's the delight of solving hard problems. There's a kernel of truth beyond the rhetoric of Kennedy's speech "...not because they are easy, but because they are hard...". You humanities dweebs (and I'm one of you) need to understand the mindset of the engineer before you start going all REEE CORPOLAND PEPSI COLA. You're being philistines in the opposite degree.

[Anonymous No.18092618]

>>18092423
It would be like the Antarctica outposts which already exist, no city.

[Anonymous No.18092624]

>>18092539
Exactly.
A cross between submarine living and south pole pod habitat living.
Broken up by fun activities like mining and super long distance freight transportation.

That's if its even possible, which obviously it isn't.
Even if it was possible it's not even practical.
How would you produce enough fuel to cost effectively launch millions of tonnes of minerals into space back to earth?

[Anonymous No.18092631]

>>18092624
>That's if its even possible, which obviously it isn't.
It's very possible just not very practical.

[Anonymous No.18092657]

>>18092624
>A cross between submarine living and south pole pod habitat living.
>Broken up by fun activities like mining and super long distance freight transportation.

Sounds fucking sick mate. Some people are attracted to such lifestyles. Everyone would be way too busy to worry about polished wood floors and nice linen anyway.

[Anonymous No.18092661]

>>18092606
We will see people moving into near orbit eventually, mostly because of cheap energy, cheap resources, low gravity industry, the opportunity to move away from earth governments, etc

But the only reason people will move out beyond Earth in large waves, is to escape persecution, but then people could move just about anywhere, I mean, you arent just going to stop a private company from moving a large asteroid closer to the sun.

[Anonymous No.18092673]

>>18092537
I have 2 zero's in my net worth do you think I can make it anon

[Anonymous No.18092703]

>>18092423
>Accessible drugs, virtual reality to cope with red nothingness, scarce resources.

[Anonymous No.18092707]

>>18092526
How do you move asteroid to Earth orbit, it's fucking heavy.

[Anonymous No.18092719]

>>18092631
You think building a city on Mars is possible?

So you'll build the excavators and cranes when you get there right, because there's no way you would entertain the idea of launching heavy machinery like that in a rocket, with the space it takes up and the weight cost?
So you'll just take the steel you need to fashion them, and... huge manufacturing machinery so you can engineer them. Oh wait.
OK so you'll need to mine the steel when you get there, so you can build vehicle manufacturing facilities, so you can build the city.
But then how do you get mining equipment up there, and quarry trucks? Where do you process the ore? So basically you need a city... To build the city.

Also all of this is done wearing space suits.
And you have to take all the food you need with you in tins and barrels.
And years worth of oxygen.
And you have to pay the workers a huge amount to compensate the lunacy of the lifestyle, but they can't spend it or go anywhere.
And everyone working on mars, even a simple secretary, also has to be a trained astronaut first, until you get to the point where you have a civilian city. An airtight city in the red dust with nowhere to escape to.

Why are we doing this again?

[Anonymous No.18092728]

>>18092571
Shut up faggot or I'll strike you

[Anonymous No.18092786]

>>18092571
>Late capitalism
Any day now...

[Anonymous No.18092820]

>>18092728

[Anonymous No.18092849]

>>18092707
Not heavy in space idiot, just give it a push

[Anonymous No.18092853]

>>18092703
We just need freaky space spiders and vampires to whoop us back into action.

[Anonymous No.18092860]

>>18092423

mars is just earth but worse, much worse
so it would be like earth but worse
imagine getting this perfect planet that just takes care of all your needs then somehow you fuck it up so bad that a red wasteland seems appealing

[Anonymous No.18092864]

>>18092849
Delta-v, dummy.

[Anonymous No.18092889]

>>18092860
Yeah but you can't easily put technics back in the box once it's been opened. We've basically got 2.5 options - collapse or continuing technological progression (.5 being mass VR, but that's basically a long road to collapse). I can't see how growth into space isn't a part of the former. Mars, if it ever happens, would be centuries off IMO. Probably never, or just a curiosity. Wouldn't it be an extraordinary accomplishment if we did get real flesh-and-blood humans there though?

[Anonymous No.18092900]

>>18092864
Nazi pseudoscience.

[Anonymous No.18092919]

>>18092860
but it's hecking cool anon and think about the progress

[Anonymous No.18093255]

>>18092673
why are you purposefully choosing to misunderstand me you retard?

[Anonymous No.18093256]

>>18092423
No culture can coexist with modern technology

[Anonymous No.18093274]

>>18092606
The mindset of the engineer is that of indoctrination to find the most efficient means. Technified art is not art

[Anonymous No.18093293]

I entreat you, my brothers, remain true to the earth, and do not believe those who speak to you of superterrestrial hopes! They are poisoners, whether they know it or not.

[Anonymous No.18093308]

>>18092606
Autistic engineers aren't necessarily a creative force for good. I'm a physicist, I know more of them than you do. They're the same California technocrats with all kinds of whacked-out utopian ideas that they'll blindly implement without any thought to their consequences.
If the human race ever ends, it's not going to be anything we expect like nukes or global warming. It's gonna be something fucking retarded that nobody expected to have widespread effects, like leaded gasoline or asbestos. There's going to be some whiz-kid saving the world by, say, shooting particulates up into the stratosphere to reflect some sunlight (lots and lots of engineers are looking into this) and then accidentally making everyone infertile.

[Anonymous No.18093553]

>>18092719
>Why are we doing this again?
Because Musk is Der ewige Redditor

[Anonymous No.18093619]

>>18092719
>You think building a city on Mars is possible?
I thought you were talking about living on Mars.

[Anonymous No.18093666]

>>18092423
It would depress me that now Mars was being blemished before modernity could be dealt with, rather than evolving naturally and idealistically.

[Anonymous No.18093686]

>>18093256
This is scarily accurate

[Anonymous No.18093709]

>>18092454
fpbp

[Anonymous No.18093728]

>>18093308
if you think what we're witnessing now isn't already the end of the world and human beings, i don't know what to tell you. Do you really think the only way a species can end is by dying? we are the last men. and that is to be taken literally

[Anonymous No.18093737]

>>18093709
>fpwp
ftfy

[Anonymous No.18093769]

It would be like living in the pod and eating bugs. Literally. Your entire life would be spent in narrow confines and every resource would be strictly rationed. You’d drink recycled piss and eat protein slurry and be reprimanded for taking too many deep breaths and messing with the oxygen balance. Living off world would be hellish

[Anonymous No.18093844]

>>18092519
yeah and besides Mars is 1/10 of the size of the Earth.
le meme iron man r*ddit man will sell you the dream so that you cheer at him when he'll start chip people or do some weird shit like starlink and people will let him.
nothing good from a man who named his son like an account password.

[Anonymous No.18093876]

>>18092423
They'll all die when the Martians attack

[Anonymous No.18093881]

>>18092423
But what does this have to do with literature?