French revolution

[Anonymous No.18087037]

I'm looking for a good, "non-pozzed" book about the french revolution.

[Anonymous No.18087208]

>>18087037
Carlyle

[Anonymous No.18087209]

>>18087208
Too hard to read

[Anonymous No.18087215]

Sade My Neighbor

[Anonymous No.18087217]

>>18087037
This is good but you who uses terms such as "non-pozzed" probably will find it too difficult.

[Anonymous No.18087229]

>>18087037
Flaubert’s Sentimental Education.

[Anonymous No.18087232]

>>18087217
>too difficult.
Pop history published by Penguin, lmao.

[Anonymous No.18087255]

>>18087232
Have you read it ?

[Anonymous No.18087260]

>>18087232
>Pop history
No.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gildea

[Anonymous No.18087266]

>>18087260
Never heard of him, but this wiki is no way refutes the other guys claims.

[Anonymous No.18087278]

>>18087266
You're just not very good at ascertainment of credentials.

[Anonymous No.18087282]

>>18087260
>For his 2002 book Marianne in Chains,[1] a study of life in provincial France during the German occupation, Gildea won the prestigious Wolfson History Prize. The book, however, outraged members of the French academic elite[citation needed] through its documented claims that life in France had not been as adversely affected by the Nazi occupation because many French people had co-operated with the German invaders – far more so than previously believed

Sounds pretty based to me

[Anonymous No.18087290]

>>18087037
If you care.about "non-pozzed" takes, stick to YouTubers who will fulfill your ideological conclusions.

If you actually want to learn, Rousseau and Revolution has Durant's excellent prose and analysis, although it covers all of Europe over the period. Citizens is good too.

[Anonymous No.18087301]

>>18087278
What do credentials have to do with the style of books he writes?

[Anonymous No.18087336]

>>18087301
I'd rather go for a piss than stay and argue with you. And I don't care if you want to be wrong, be wrong.

[Anonymous No.18087353]

>>18087037
Burke

[Anonymous No.18087368]

>>18087037
Jules Michelet.

[Anonymous No.18087386]

>>18087353
This is the best by far

[Anonymous No.18087388]

>>18087209
you wanted non-pozzed

[Anonymous No.18087414]

>>18087037
what does "non-pozzed" even mean in this context?

[Anonymous No.18087432]

>>18087037

[Anonymous No.18087435]

>>18087414
Things that don't conflict with OP's predetermined beliefs on the subject

[Anonymous No.18087448]

Even today, Only the ruling class has power and the ruling class doesnt change.

This is why secular humanism is feudalism where
king=president
priest=atheist scholar and journalist
warrior=bureaucrat
peasants=peasants lol

1789 never happened

[Anonymous No.18087466]

I read Hippolyte Taine's history thinking it'd be a gigabased take down of uppity peasants and a hagiography of trad aristocrats but a few chapters in I realized how much they had it coming.

[Anonymous No.18087488]

>gigabased takedown of uppity peasants
>trad aristocrats

why do you freaks always take the side of the elite minority to detriment of the side you'd almost certainly be on?

[Anonymous No.18087491]

>>18087435
This. Same thing with WW2 history books

[Anonymous No.18087502]

>>18087488
Shut the fuck up leftist scum

[Anonymous No.18087536]

>>18087217
What’s difficult about it?

[Anonymous No.18087550]

>>18087502
ahh but anon, you're so gifted and have accomplished so many things..no doubt the elite fascist ruling class wouldn't hesitate to recruit you into their ranks

[Anonymous No.18087555]

>>18087488
Yeah it’s weird. They always jerk off about muh based monarchy then whine about the government.

[Anonymous No.18087565]

>>18087208
Ok, thanks
>>18087388
that wasn't me, the OP
>>18087217
It's popular slang and I couldn't find a better way to describe what it was that I was looking for. (I'm not an english-speaking native as well)
>>18087353
>>18087368
>>18087466
>>18087229
Thanks
>>18087414
I have a book by a french marxist author (I didn't know he was marxist before I bought him). To say the least possible, it was extremely dissapointing

[Anonymous No.18087586]

The Coming of the Terror in the French Revolution

[Anonymous No.18087594]

>>18087565
There's a lot of trannies on this website so they start freaking out as soon as someone asks for something that is not marxist propaganda

[Anonymous No.18087611]

>>18087448
>Only the ruling class has power
Like all of History then
>and the ruling class doesnt change.
of course it changed, now it's a capitalist economy, in which a person is valued by their material wealth and not their virtue (in accordance to a higher being)
>>18087586
Thank you

[Anonymous No.18087623]

>>18087037
Twelve Who Ruled

[Anonymous No.18087625]

I enter a thread like this and I wonder what the fuck I’m even still doing on this site. Any variation of “best French Revolution books” searched into google would yield better results. What a fucking pointless website. I get to hear thoughts on books from people who haven’t read them. Charming. What a good use of my time I’ve found

[Anonymous No.18087633]

>>18087625
Bye.

[Anonymous No.18087646]

French Revolution was the most boring event in history. Every history I’ve read just goes:
>Pierre le Jacques said that taxes on the Church should be 1% higher, Jacques le Allaire fervently disagreed and said they should be 2% higher

[Anonymous No.18087660]

>>18087625
why aren't the books posted here good? I was gonna pick one and read it

[Anonymous No.18087662]

>>18087594
I suspect so. The author is Michel Vovelle btw
>>18087625
You're here forever. Enjoy my paintings.
>>18087646
Until, you realize that it is single handedly the most vital moment in European history and how we still suffer from it.

[Anonymous No.18087668]

>>18087662
>Until, you realize that it is single handedly the most vital moment in European history and how we still suffer from it.
Yeah I’m well aware. So I’d rather study history with sovl.

[Anonymous No.18087678]

>>18087660
How new are you to take such posts seriously?

[Anonymous No.18087680]

>>18087668
>I’d rather study history with sovl.
what did you mean by this

[Anonymous No.18087682]

>>18087625
I posted a book which I've fully read, just so you know. I think getting recs is fine but also the OP sayın non-pozzed is a red flag and I should know better.

[Anonymous No.18087685]

>>18087660
They’re the same books you get from the google search except instead of getting it all right away you get it dripped to you in between shitposters.

[Anonymous No.18087693]

A New World Begins, Jeremy D. Popkin

[Anonymous No.18087695]

>>18087693
>Review by WSJ
Dropped

[Anonymous No.18087698]

>>18087682
>OP sayın non-pozzed is a red flag and I should know better.
I apologize for it; I couldn't think of a better word

[Anonymous No.18087702]

>>18087662

>Until, you realize that it is single handedly the most vital moment in European history and how we still suffer from it.
That's the 1848 Revolution.

[Anonymous No.18087710]

>>18087702
Which can’t be understood without the FR, LMAO

[Anonymous No.18087713]

>>18087693
>(((Popkin)))

[Anonymous No.18087719]

>>18087710
And the French Revolution can't be understood without cavemen discovering fire.

[Anonymous No.18087730]

>>18087702
Lol

[Anonymous No.18087734]

>>18087719
And your post can’t be understood without me impregnating your mom, son

[Anonymous No.18087737]

If you want a non-jewed, non-clown world history of anything, that will tell you the facts in a way that doesn't obscure the truth to fit a certain narrative, you must avoid literally all books written after 1945. There is no exception to this.

[Anonymous No.18087739]

>>18087693
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Popkin#External_links
>internationally acclaimed scholar on Christian millenarianism and Jewish messianism.
>Categories: American Jews
>>18087719
lol, you're just being a brat

[Anonymous No.18087744]

>>18087698
Just remembered that my phone keyboard predictive text is set to Turkish.

[Anonymous No.18087746]

>>18087737
>why yes, I am a /pol/ tourist who posts in the boobathreads and doesn’t read books, how could you tell?

[Anonymous No.18087748]

>>18087625
Yeah, but you can't google "best French Revolution books that will reinforce and justify my pre-existing political beliefs without challenging me in any way".

[Anonymous No.18087750]

>>18087737
Sadly true.

[Anonymous No.18087768]

>>18087414
Research on the Revolution was dominated by marxist approaches for decades (and by dogmatically anticlerical and positivist approaches before that), OP probably just wanted a book that does not seek to impose its historically very much contingent system of hermeneutics on history and also to not be either pro or contra against any particular group involved from the get-go.

[Anonymous No.18087769]

>>18087737
Yeah, I've been doing this for a bit now.
>>18087748
look at >>18087565
I don't want a book by a marxist (that I read, unfortunately), I'm looking for a book which talks about the revolution in an objective way and maybe has some critiques like that of de Maistre.

[Anonymous No.18087793]

>>18087769
>talks about the revolution in an objective way
>also, definitely nothing written by a jew!

why even bother with this venture? you just want the FR to support whatever you already believe, why not save yourself the time and just mangle the wiki summary into whatever it is you'd like it to be evidence of?

[Anonymous No.18087797]

>>18087769
Marxist history does not necessarily have to be bad, you just need to find someone who can digest it and spit out all the poison, the hardline historical materialism, the presupposition of the dialectic, the feminist/postocolonial/etc. silliness that quite often hangs onto the marxist framework

Basically something like the Annales, bottom-up but with less Braudelian positivist autism.

[Anonymous No.18087809]

>>18087550
Subhuman

[Anonymous No.18087823]

>>18087739
Kek OP asks for non-pozzed and people recommend kikes

[Anonymous No.18087826]

>>18087768
I remember learning about the french revolution in school. What was taught really was just marxist propaganda.
I really appreciate the reccomendations in this thread, hitherto
>>18087793
>nothing written by a jew!
I have Marc Bloch in my shelves. Stop projecting.
>>18087797
But ther isn't much in those books, if you take that out.

[Anonymous No.18087834]

>>18087797
>>18087793
Kill yourselves

[Anonymous No.18087836]

>>18087793
Stop being so upset that nobody cares about marxist history now that it's out of the zeitgeist and people aren't willing to pretend that a priori imposing ahistorical mid-19th century positivist frameworks of understanding on history is "well done" history. Stop screeching that nobody really cares for the historiographical equivalent of lamarckism anymore.

[Anonymous No.18087845]

I liked this one, a bit on the dry side, but goes ever the entire thing.

[Anonymous No.18087846]

>>18087823
OP already apologized. He's sound.

[Anonymous No.18087850]

>>18087846
Sounds like a cuck to me

[Anonymous No.18087851]

>>18087826
Francois Furet is the first big post-marxist historian of the Revolution. In English I can also wholeheartedly recommend the Oxford History of the French Revolution by William Doyle, IIRC it lets the reader decide the deeper workings of the events thankfully.

[Anonymous No.18087855]

>>18087826
Bloch is so fucking based.

[Anonymous No.18087857]

>>18087826
^I'm this poster. I'd like to add that my hatred for jews doesn't stop me from reading some decently objective (there are few) pre-WW2 jews.
>>18087845
I'll look into it , thanks
>>18087846
what do you mean I'm sound?

[Anonymous No.18087872]

>>18087857
There are some good jews today too. One of the best American journalists is glenn greenwald who's a gay jew. That doesn't mean 90% of the jews are not retarded though.

[Anonymous No.18087873]

>da joos
Nice thread

[Anonymous No.18088125]

>>18087037
>be op
>be faggot who cant into words
>want to read a book which at least purports to give an objective take on the french revolution
>non-pozzed
>YOU RACIST PRICK, DIE DIE DIE, WHY DONT YOU LICK THE JEWISH TESTICLES ANON?!? YOU FUCKING NAZI

makes you think

[Anonymous No.18088148]

>>18087873
go back
>>18088125
you can stay, but I'll keep an eye on you

[Anonymous No.18088153]

>>18087209
Not being able to understand old prose is pozzed, hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.18088316]

>>18088148
>/pol/shit tourist who’s probably too ADD to read anything other than tweets telling someone else to “go back”

[Anonymous No.18088352]

>>18087488
>the side you'd almost certainly be on
Why does that matter when studying past events

[Anonymous No.18088370]

>>18088316
stop derailing my thread mate

[Anonymous No.18089036]

Welp, I appreciate all of your reccomendations anons

[Anonymous No.18089367]

>>18087432
>non pozzed
>socialist
ok

[Anonymous No.18089383]

>>18087488
>bro trust me the French Revolution was totally all about peasants fighting the heckin unbased bourgeoisie!!!! And uhh the bourgeoisie is somehow the same thing as the aristocracy... uhhh... Marxism rulez!!!! What do you mean it was a bourgeois revolution??? Stop it!
Read one (1) history book in your lifetime please

[Anonymous No.18090673]

>>18087037
Considerations on France by De Maistre

[Anonymous No.18090950]

>>18089367
OP regrets using that meme-speak terminology

[Anonymous No.18091855]

>>18090950
i dont

[Anonymous No.18091958]

Furet prend à contrepied les théories admises par les historiens marxistes. Pour ces derniers, Soboul et Lefebvre principalement, la Révolution française est d'abord une expression de la révolte des masses populaires, à l'exemple du mouvement jacobin soutenu par l'avant-garde des sans-culottes qui disparaît après le 9 Thermidor. À l'inverse, non sans susciter des polémiques dans le monde universitaire français, François Furet et Denis Richet défendent l'idée d'une révolution des élites qui aurait « dérapé » en 1793. La confiscation violente du pouvoir par les masses durant la Terreur aurait perturbé le cours plutôt pacifique d'une modernisation sociale menée « par le haut » à partir de 1787.

Le livre de François Furet et Denis Richet provoque une controverse historiographique durable et la colère des tenants de l'historiographie marxisante. Cette réaction s'incarne dans un long essai publié par Claude Mazauric dans les Annales historiques de la Révolution française (AHRF) en 1967, repris et complété dans un recueil Sur la Révolution française en 1970, puis par les protestations de Jacques Godechot, d'Albert Soboul et de Jean-René Suratteau21. Pour Claude Mazauric, l'ouvrage a une fonction idéologique bien précise qui est de détruire l'édifice marxiste sur lequel s'appuie en France l'explication dominante de la Révolution21. En revanche, le livre est bien accueilli par des historiens comme Pierre Goubert ou Louis Bergeron qui saluent l'émergence en France de nouvelles interprétations de la Révolution, divergentes et parfois contradictoires21.

[Anonymous No.18091982]

Par la suite, François Furet poursuit son travail de rejet catégorique du concept de « révolution bourgeoise » utilisant notamment les travaux anglo-saxons dont il reprend les arguments et diffuse les thèses21. Furet approfondira ces réflexions dans son ouvrage, Penser la Révolution française, publié en 1978, notamment en s'appuyant sur les travaux d'Augustin Cochin que l'historiographie avait largement oublié après sa mort en 1916, non sans revenir sur la thèse du dérapage, relevant les prémices de la Terreur dès 1789 et percevant « une possible consonance de la Terreur avec la Révolution tout entière ». Dans sa synthèse La Révolution, 1770-1880, envisageant le temps long, il montre les continuités entre l'Ancien Régime et la Révolution, dont le long processus ne prend fin selon lui qu'avec l'arrivée au pouvoir des républicains opportunistes lors des débuts de la IIIe République, qui achèvent la révolution par l'affirmation des valeurs démocratiques et libérales (dont les libertés individuelles) tout en ne niant pas les dérives que la révolution a pu engendrer par le passé.

[Anonymous No.18092033]

Furet then re-examined the Revolution from the perspective of 20th-century totalitarianism as exemplified by Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin. His Penser la Révolution Française (1978), translated as Interpreting the French Revolution (1981), was a breakthrough book that led many intellectuals to reevaluate Bolshevism and the Revolution as inherently totalitarian and anti-democratic.[9] Looking at modern French communism, he stressed the close resemblance between the 1960s and 1790s, with both favoring the inflexible and rote ideological discourse in party cells where decisions were made unanimously in a manipulated direct democracy. Furet further suggested that popularity of the far left to many French intellectuals was itself a result of their commitment to the ideals of the Revolution. Furet set about to imagine the Revolution less as the result of social and class conflict and more a conflict over the meaning and application of egalitarian and democratic ideas. He saw Revolutionary France as located ideologically between two revolutions, namely the first egalitarian one that began in 1789 and the second the authoritarian coup that brought about Napoleon's empire in 1799. The egalitarian origins of the Revolution were not undone by the Empire and were resurrected in the July Revolution of 1830, the 1848 Revolution and the Commune of Paris in 1871.[10]

[Anonymous No.18093042]

>>18087209
Idiot.

[Anonymous No.18093099]

>>18089383
You should take your own advice

[Anonymous No.18093127]

>>18087768
Avoidance of bias is impossible. It can however be acknowledged.

[Anonymous No.18093144]

>>18087037
Leon de Poncins. Thanks me later.

[Anonymous No.18093386]

>>18093144
Wow, thank you. He looks quite good.

[Anonymous No.18094549]

>>18087260
What is this supposed to prove. Being in highest tier educative institutions is no longer a sign of intelligence. Information is available much more freely nowadays and the smartest people are usually the ones who are the farthest away from universities and similar shitholes full of snobs and vainglory.