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18086627 No.18086627 [Reply] [Original]

>If multiculturalism meant Cervantes then who could protest? But of course multiculturalism doesn't mean Cervantes
Was Bloom retarded? "Multiculturalism" means reading books and authors from outside of the Western secular liberal milieu. Cervantes is the epitome of it, he's not "multicultural" by virtue of having a darker skin than A*glos. If your understanding of multiculturalism is to read French, German and Spanish authors alongside A*glo authors then you don't really understand multiculturalism. Russian anti-Occidentalist literature would've been a better bet.

>> No.18086638

He's complaining that is is more about tearing down western authors than it is in support of anything.

>> No.18086641

>>18086627
What's with all the Bloom threads today

>> No.18086654

>>18086641
Some anon mentioned him in one thread which resulted in newfags rushing to read his opinions and make these threads.

>> No.18086658

>>18086627
Not really. Multiculturalism simply means reading books from different cultures. Spanish and French cultures are different cultures, for example. Not sure why Americans think all these are the same culture. But what he's saying, is that multiculturalism means having to read a lot of dogshit based solely on the fact that it's from a different culture, rather than by its own aesthetic virtues.

>> No.18086662 [DELETED] 

>>18086627
>"Multiculturalism" means reading books and authors from outside of the Western secular liberal milieu.
Lol no

>> No.18086678

>>18086658
>Not really. Multiculturalism simply means reading books from different cultures. Spanish and French cultures are different cultures, for example
That's retarded. There's no national culture anymore in any country. It's all globalized. If you read post-French Revolution books in Spanish and French that's multilingualism, not multiculturalism.
>>18086662
Cope.

>> No.18086697

>>18086654
depressing

>> No.18086703

>>18086641
newfags need a cultural education

>> No.18086715

>>18086678
>That's retarded. There's no national culture anymore in any country.
Yes, there is.
>It's all globalized.
Not quite. That's 100% just the US. But even they have their own culture.
>If you read post-French Revolution books in Spanish and French that's multilingualism, not multiculturalism
They are different cultures. Go read a book.

>> No.18086719

>>18086654
>there's newfags about
Interesting

>> No.18086724

American hands wrote this post

>> No.18086726

>>18086719
There always are. We are still in the covid summer.

>> No.18086742

>>18086627
>if it's not made by a nigger, it's not another culture, bro.
-Americans, probably.

>> No.18086753

>>18086715
>They are different cultures. Go read a book.
Proof? To me they are both secular individualist shitholes. My understanding of multiculturalism is to expose the reader to radical Otherness that cannot be dissolved in the cheap liberal bourgeois talk of tolerance. I mean for example the Easterb collectivist anthropology vs. Western individualist a anthropology

>> No.18086788

>>18086753
You are mistaking culture with civilization. A culture is not the same as yours just because they're "secular individualist shitholes." That's a gross generalization and exaggeration. Multiculturalism simply means multiple cultures. The "radical" aspect is your own addition.

>> No.18086814

>>18086788
>You are mistaking culture with civilization. A culture is not the same as yours just because they're "secular individualist shitholes." That's a gross generalization and exaggeration. Multiculturalism simply means multiple cultures. The "radical" aspect is your own addition.
I see. Are there any books that flesh out the difference between culture and civilization?

>> No.18086892

>>18086678
>If you read post-French Revolution books in Spanish and French that's multilingualism, not multiculturalism.

What a retarded statement, I would be ashmed to post such asinine somantics.

>> No.18086920

>>18086627
That’s what you understood from that crystal clear sentence, you fucking retard? Bloom is saying Cervantes is a product of his own country, not that angl*s get to read it due to multiculturalism. How fucking dense are you?

>> No.18086968

>>18086627
He's accusing progressives of not reading Cervantes for his literary merit, but for the "multicultural" value of having read him. In other words: literary merit isn't important to them, and they aren't actually concerned with reading great works by other cultures.

>> No.18087481

What he's saying is quite simple but it needs context from the interview itself that you seem to be ignoring
He's saying this because multicultural literary criticism is overconcerned with very mediocre authors because of their cultural origins
He also points out that actually good authors from these backgrounds often get ignored because they require too much research for the multiculti professors, he gives the example of Jay Wright, the brightest jogger in literature