/QTDDTOT/ - QUESTIONS THAT DON'T DESERVE THEIR OWN THREAD

[Anonymous No.18031968]

POST HERE YOUR QUESTIONS THAT DON'T DESERVE THEIR OWN THREAD:
>Books with X theme?
>What am I in for?
>What was his/her problem?
>Books like X?
>Do I need to read X to understand Y?
>other questions I can't think of right now

This is an experiment, /lit/ is complaining lately.
I think this could help the board quality overall.
Direct all questions that in your opinion don't deserve their own thread to here.
Keep this thread open if you like to help fellow anons out with their questions.
Turning this in a general avoids newfags asking those same questions over and over again.
Also, other repetitive posts that don't really need their own thread can be directed here.

Feel free to discuss your thoughts about this becoming a general and maybe improve the template, and save it on our wiki so we could easily copy paste.

[Anonymous No.18032005]

Redpill me on Faulkner. I have dozens of books I've bought that I haven't read yet, but I think the one I'm going to read next is The Sound and the Fury

[Anonymous No.18032016]

If any of the anons from last night who got the invite link to read this happen to be here, can you say what it's about or if it was any good?
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.18032031]

Is it bad that 8 out of the last 11 books I read were translations? Mostly dosto and epic poems

[Anonymous No.18032050]

Finishing up Gravity's Rainbow now. I love it and I love Pynchon's style but I feel exhausted and want to read something a bit lighter after.

Is Mason & Dixon a good idea? How does it compare to V and GR?

[Anonymous No.18032058]

I want to read more about Berkeley and subjective idealism. What are his principal works? Are there any secondary texts or contemporary subjective idealists worth reading? Does it stand up to Kant?

[Anonymous No.18032090]

>>18032050
mason & dixon is pretty big if youre looking for something light. Read Inherent Vice

[Anonymous No.18032146]

>>18032090
I don't mind big but I'm looking for something more conceptually straight forward. And I've been reading through Pynchon so I might as well continue. I've read IV already.

[Anonymous No.18033279]

>>18032031
No.

[Anonymous No.18033717]

How do I go about knowing myself according to the Delphic maxim "know thyself"?

[Anonymous No.18033982]

Any recommendations for literary criticism on poetry? Particularly on different poets rather than a more general overview.

[Anonymous No.18033994]

>>18032005
Great writer, really rich feel for the south of the early twentieth century. I had to read The Sound and the Fury a second time to really appreciate it. Have read it a third time since for pleasure. The first novel I conceived and seriously tried to write ended up being structured almost exactly the same as The Sound and the Fury...decided to restructure.
Strongly recommend:
>Go Down, Moses
>Sanctuary (considered a lesser novel, Faulkner admitted it was written just for money)
>Light in August
>As I Lay Dying

[Anonymous No.18034020]

>>18033717
Never mind I figured it out.

[Anonymous No.18034415]

>>18033994
>>Go Down, Moses
>>Sanctuary (considered a lesser novel, Faulkner admitted it was written just for money)
>>Light in August
>>As I Lay Dying
Okay, after I finish reading those novels, then what?

[Anonymous No.18034455]

>>18032031
No. Dont let bitter internet people shame you for reading translations, it’s perfectly okay to read them. How’d you enjoy dostoevsky? He’s one of my favorites

[Anonymous No.18034457]

>>18031968
Can someone recommend several whitepill books? I need an infusion of optimism.

[Anonymous No.18034460]

How to get started with Derrida?

[Anonymous No.18034472]

>>18033994
Thanks. I also have As I Lay Dying and Light in August. I'll probably read other books from other authors in between TSATF and the other two books, but will for sure read those too if I like TSATF, which I assume I will

[Anonymous No.18034478]

>>18034457
This chart has a lot of cute picks that fit what you want. Also cute environmentalist books like ‘My First Summer in the Sierra’ are excellent to feel good.

[Anonymous No.18034672]

are there any recent romance books that aren't this kind of trash?

[Anonymous No.18034681]

>>18034672
Jane Austen

[Anonymous No.18034685]

>>18034681
that's not very recent

[Anonymous No.18034711]

>>18034478
Thanks, I appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.18034785]

My 20 y/o sister is basically only reading YA. I would like to introduce her to something slightly more grown-up stuff, any recommendations? I can’t just hand her a copy of Moby Dick, it needs to be somewhere in between.

[Anonymous No.18034826]

>>18034785
Frankenstein

[Anonymous No.18034979]

>>18034785
Jonathan Franzen's stuff maybe.

[Anonymous No.18035021]

>>18034785
Cormac McCarthy

But the best easiest to read/adult, big ideas, look at me I'm a smart intellectual ratio is Dostoevsky

[Anonymous No.18035171]

>>18034785
Picture of Dorian Gray, Wuthering Heights

[Anonymous No.18035200]

>>18034826
Is royalroad fine for short stories?
I want to start posting my garbage somewhere, but just starting with small nice small 1-2 chapter stuff I can easily write without worrying about plot threads getting out of control or lack of motivation.

also what do they consider pedophilia?

[Anonymous No.18035210]

>>18034785
What in particular is she into?
I've read a few different books a young 20 year old would be into. Of recent.
>Locked tomb trilogy
pretty good, only 2 books so she can easily pick it up.
>Mistborn
halfway between YA and more grown-up I suppose, honestly it gets kinda boring and its not for everyone. But its a decent book and more toward the YA side imo.
>God save the queen (and sequels)
sorta steampunkish london with goblins and shit. its weird but cool

[Anonymous No.18035220]

>>18035200
why are you asking me?

[Anonymous No.18035221]

Is royalroad fine for short stories?
I want to start posting my garbage somewhere, but just starting with small nice small 1-2 chapter stuff I can easily write without worrying about plot threads getting out of control or lack of motivation.

also what do they consider pedophilia?

[Anonymous No.18035226]

>>18035220
accidental quick reply.
don't bully.

[Anonymous No.18035240]

>>18035221
>Is royalroad fine for short stories?
Yes.

>also what do they consider pedophilia?
Anything below 18

[Anonymous No.18035268]

>>18035240
Well I mean, like if I write some teens making out or whatever (as horror cliches go) at what point does that become too pedo for them? What if I just off handedly mention they're having or had sex at some point.

Nothing smutty mind you, just curious at what point they start considering it a no-go. Especially if I imply child abuse or something without being too graphic.

[Anonymous No.18035298]

>>18031968
Are there any good sources for pirating audiobooks other than audiobookbay? There are a couple I want to download that they either don't have or don't have enough seeders for. Is the selection on myanonymouse any better, and is it worth jumping thorough all the hoops of their application process?
Before anyone tries to give me shit for listening to audiobooks, I should also say I only listen to them to keep myself sane while working my mind-numbing job.

[Anonymous No.18035796]

How do you call a life philosophy where your life revolves around (acquiring unique) experiences, like traveling, sex, food, (having an emotional breakup, skydiving, fighting, wandering barefoot through thailand, w/e) etc.? I think sensationism would describe it, but I know for certain there's a better word, I've just forgotten and can't remember it. The stuff in brackets I added for clarification.
I asked this before but haven't received a satisfactory answer. These are the answers thus far, which weren't what I was looking for:
>hedonism
only refers to pleasant experiences
>amoral decadence
too overarching
>dandyism, bohemianism
refers to niche interests and subcultures, but what I mean is basically the default of the millennial middle class and above
bohemianism would almost describe it, but from a lifestyle perspective, whereas I'm looking for the psychological perspective
>commodification of experience
it goes hand in hand with what I mean, but it isn't the same thing. it also isn't necessary nor sufficient for what I mean
Like I said, I know there is a term but I can't seem to remember it.
Help me out /lit/erates.

[Anonymous No.18036001]

Has anyone actually read Donna Tartt? I’m about to buy The Goldfinch and The Secret History. They sound good to be honest but her dark academia cult puts me off a little.

[Anonymous No.18036005]

Any book that will tell me why looking at anime girls makes me feel heady and euphoric? I don't just mean turned on or "oh they're so cute," like I literally feel like I've inhaled laughing gas or something.

[Anonymous No.18036316]

Any books that ponder on whether or not a broken man can still aspire to have a positive influence in the world around him?

[Anonymous No.18036935]

i saw in a bloomberg article that 20% of catholics are not interesting in taking the vaccine. what i want to know is where can i find these catholics?

[Anonymous No.18037081]

I see people all the time talking about how they take notes, but I don't really understand the process and how it's meant to benefit me so I've just never taken notes. Is it something I should start doing or does it not actually matter?

[Anonymous No.18037117]

>>18037081
i usually just write the page number of sth interesting on an index card, maybe new vocab, or reference to other lit/art to look up later

[Anonymous No.18037138]

>>18035796
Consoomerism

[Anonymous No.18037188]

Whats the point of this general if none of the questions get answered

[Anonymous No.18037200]

What to do after finishing any book to not forget it?

[Anonymous No.18037310]

>>18036001
>The Goldfinch
Tartt describes the subject of the book, the painting of the goldfinch, as a mix of highly detailed and fussy brushstrokes with more open and freer methods. She says there's a joke at the center of great art such as The Goldfinch. Her writing is massively fussy. Each sentence is a well-constructed sentence, but she permitted herself, far too many uninteresting ones. There are many scenes you simply cannot believe are still going on. And there is no apparent joke in the book, unless its that you didn't skim.

Then there's Theo, the main character. She transforms him from someone we share concerns with, someone we find interesting and intelligent, into a simpering vessel of self-loathing. The entire scenario of the book, the possession of a stolen painting and his efforts to maintain this as a secret, feels so flimsy for even the flaccid narrator. His journey into illicit sales of fine furnishings is also rife with logical holes. His mentor makes the stuff and then condemns him for selling it? He must repurchase it all? Hands are wrung and lives are in the balance?

But I do love the Boris. I did not like, however, her manipulation of the story with Boris' theft of the painting. She signals it at the time of the theft and then, within a story in which every other detail, down to dust motes and scratches on furniture is raised to abject fussiness, weirdly makes this something Theo does not discover until much, much later. Handled very clumsily

That said I read the whole thing. It does contain a world. The world tumbles along as world's do - and this Tartt did well. But the story started dying, perhaps at the theft of the painting by Boris, and continued to wilt and die progressively. The end felt like a slow death, a grinding to a halt

>The Secret History
The Secret History delves into deep thoughts: the need to be part of a group, an elite, no matter the consequences; where we should place the boundaries of intellectual curiosity; trust in a leader and the impacts of that trust. Ultimately, however, the book asks interesting questions but fails to find answers, or even to pursue the questions too far down the rabbit hole. Sometimes the answer is that there are no answers, but the story does not seem to be making that case. Tartt’s narrative makes the reader think—but not too hard. Her writing is at times pensive, dark, and intense, but I never found the story suspenseful or mysterious. There are no unpredictable twists, and the breadcrumbs are easy to find. That’s not a criticism; this type of story thrives in exploring events, not in keeping the reader guessing. But I wanted the exploration to go deeper, to find something real among the characters’ choices. The Secret History is a worthwhile read; it is intelligent and thought-provoking. But it falls short in trying to be more than a series of events occurring at a small college among a smaller group of students. It reaches out but never lands upon what it seeks

[Anonymous No.18037587]

>>18035268
Anon, just err in the side of caution.

[Anonymous No.18037700]

>>18037200
You reread it again.

[Anonymous No.18037972]

>>18034826
>>18034979
>>18035021
>>18035171
>>18035210
Thank you anons

[Anonymous No.18038212]

>>18034785
Women love crime mystery, try with Agatha Christie.

[Anonymous No.18038238]

Were there any other philosophers who wrote nothing like Socrates and Pyrrho?

[Anonymous No.18038281]

>>18038238
You mean skepticism philosophers?

[Anonymous No.18038300]

>>18038281
No, I mean philosophers who didn't write.

[Anonymous No.18038314]

>>18031968
is Stoner similar to Herzog? Really liked it and trying to find something just as good.

[Anonymous No.18038322]

>>18033982
Look into Bloom's Major Poet series for specific authors you like. They are all a bunch of essays collected.

[Anonymous No.18038344]

>>18031968
How to get into stoicism as a brainlet? I dont wanna read any book, but rather short pieces of information

[Anonymous No.18038360]

>>18038344
See the books here
http://morec.com/twu/virtue.html

[Anonymous No.18038810]

How were people in 1800s or 1900s so fucking cultured? Every "celebrity" back then, be it artist, author, politician, had such an impressive general knowledge about any topic, math, history, geography, they knew many languages etc. How do I unironically improve? I feel like im a mouth breathing retard that doesnt even know basic shit. Please recommend books or youtube vids, documentaries, anything, I will read/watch them. Also tips for general memory stuff, I feel like I'm developing alzheimer or something because I didnt use my brain for a while, and Im only 21.

[Anonymous No.18038972]

>>18038810
Calm the fuck down and chill. Make a list of books you want to read. First decide what you’re interested in; could be history, literature, politics, philosophy etc. Read stuff that interests you, watch documentaries/free uni lectures on stuff, and eventually you’ll become cultured. Also read through the western canon and learn one or two languages, preferably Romance languages such as French and ancient languages such as Latin.
For the canon start here: https://www.openculture.com/2014/01/harold-bloom-creates-a-massive-list-of-works-in-the-western-canon.html
Most of these books are online for free

[Anonymous No.18039674]

>>18038972
Thank you anon. Im struggling with memory, probably because of adhd caused by masturbation and internet addiction, but Im trying to get better. Do you think, in 5 years or so, I could become more cultured and improve my memory? Im 21, as I said, so hopefully plasticity could help me

[Anonymous No.18039691]

>>18038314
Read Augustus, also by Williams. Just as good if not better, especially if you're into ancient Rome

[Anonymous No.18039858]

>>18037138
>Consoomerism
It's not this either. Because going to starbucks every day, or buying every movie from a series is consumerism too, but it's not a new experience.

[Anonymous No.18039919]

>>18035796
I think that's the word I was looking for. It doesn't quite encompass the novelty aspect of it, but maybe a new word needs to be invented for that.

[Anonymous No.18039986]

>>18038810
>How were people in 1800s or 1900s so fucking cultured?
because only kids of bourgeois would go to the atheist university

[Anonymous No.18040009]

>>18034457
Tolstoy, Childhood, Boyhood, Youth especially. It really cheered me up.

[Anonymous No.18040017]

>>18035796
Pleasure seeking

[Anonymous No.18040072]

>>18039919
yeah it's hedonism. all humans are heodnist, but you must also include the 6th sens of mind+thoughts [ie mind objects] and when it's done, speculating and daydreaming about morality and wanting to be self righteous becomes hedonism too

[Anonymous No.18040260]

>>18040072
>>18040017
Hedonism refers to pleasure, but a break-up for example isn't pleasurable, yet many people want to experience it regardless. It's not pleasure alone, but any kind of sensual impression, whether it's about seeing, or feeling, or smelling , or tasting, or hearing new things.

[Anonymous No.18040312]

>>18035210
the 20 year old sister is not going to enjoy your virgin faggot fantasy books

[Anonymous No.18040332]

>>18038300
some of the presocratics and sophists didnt write

[Anonymous No.18040466]

>>18032031
all the great authors read translations.

[Anonymous No.18040904]

Does anyone have any recommendations on the bushido?

[Anonymous No.18040917]

I just got called condorito irl

[Anonymous No.18041133]

>>18040917
Oh shut I thought this was the "Write what's on your mind" thread

[Anonymous No.18041333]

Any novels in a similar style of setting, atmoshpere or plot?

[Anonymous No.18041364]

>>18041333

[Anonymous No.18041386]

>>18041364
Did you play the mgs2?

[Anonymous No.18041406]

>>18041386
I've played 2, 4, & 5; but I will admit I have not finished 2

[Anonymous No.18041435]

>>18041406
MGS2 has a lot of themes that don't appear in other MGS games

[Anonymous No.18041450]

>>18039674
Definitely

[Anonymous No.18041452]

>>18041435
My appologies. I hope some other anon can provide something better for you.

[Anonymous No.18041462]

>>18041333
Ubik

[Anonymous No.18041463]

>>18040466
Wasn’t every writer before the 20th century fluent in multiple languages? Eg most Russians spoke French, nearly of Europe’s intellectuals spoke Latin or Greek

[Anonymous No.18041720]

What's the best translation for Dostoevsky? I'm wanting to read Crime and Punishment.

[Anonymous No.18041823]

>>18032031
>99% of "polyglots" are larping.

[Anonymous No.18041844]

>>18041720
P&V's translations are what pretty much everybody is going to say, I would guess.

[Anonymous No.18041926]

Can anyone recommend fiction romance/classics similar to Rebecca by Daphne du Maurier?

I haven't read very much in the past few years outside of academic textbooks so if you have a rec that might be popular/well known lit I probably haven't read it and would love to hear the rec.

[Anonymous No.18041957]

>>18041926
https://www.goodreads.com/book/similar/46663-rebecca

[Anonymous No.18041979]

>>18036001
I had to read The Secret History in high school for my AP Literature class. It was so dull I couldn't finish it. There's nothing exciting going on and the way she writes just makes you imagine a boring, rainy day in a pretentious University that has some secret meetings and isn't all that remarkable, otherwise. Couldn't connect with the main character or maintain an interest in comparison to all of the other novels and novellas recommended in that class. I would pass, but if you want to read it, you could probably do so in like two days.

[Anonymous No.18041987]

>>18037081
Any words you don't recognize? Highlight or underline, or write them in the margins.

Any quotes you like and want to save for later, whether it be for something as vapid as an instagram caption or something as profound as sharing it with a loved one to evoke emotion.

Anything you don't understand and would like clarification on later to google so that you don't feel like a dumbass? Write it down.

Notes are generally more for when you're in academia, so don't feel the need to do so otherwise for things like symbolism and such, but I do the above things in the books I read.

[Anonymous No.18042027]

>>18041957
Thanks. I know Austen is wonderful, I've read Wuthering Heights and enjoyed it, read The Turn of the Screw and The Secret History and felt they were okay, Brontë is on my to read list.

Still, I just wanted to know if anyone had another recommendation of something that might not have such obvious connections.

[Anonymous No.18042160]

>>18035796
Hey, I was the anon who said commodification of experience. I'd reccomend you to watch this video since I know it's what you're talking about. Especially minute 5:42.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzXEJ1HyeUQ

[Anonymous No.18042427]

Does /lit/ like detective novels?

[Anonymous No.18042572]

Would it be bad for a 14 year old girl to read American Psycho and No Longer Human?

[Anonymous No.18042666]

are there any black modernist texts out there that aren't toomer's cane? I've seen examples of imagism in grimke's poems but other than that it's kinda dry.
>>18036001
got maybe a quarter of the way through the goldfinch (vegas, meeting boris, transcendentalism) when i ultimately had to drop it. it's pretty much ya. the prose is self-indulgent and meandering and not in a humphrey humphrey-esque self-aware way and the plot beats are something out of a soap opera.

[Anonymous No.18043214]

Honestly how does this board not have a fan fiction thread? It befuddles me that there isn't.

[Anonymous No.18043294]

>>18043214
Make one. Post your favorite fanfic.

[Anonymous No.18043430]

>>18043294
Oh turns out the rules say no and my thread was nuked.
What's up with that? This board is drier than a librarian's cunt.

[Anonymous No.18043664]

How do I stop being a midwit

[Anonymous No.18043682]

>>18042572
It depends on how mature she is, but I really can't see a teenage girl enjoying American Psycho.

[Anonymous No.18044081]

Has anybody here read nightwood by djuna barnes? I got it at a friend's rec (and ts eliot/dylan thomas thought it was a masterpiece too) and wanted to get the vibe of the book in advance

Also how is dos passos' usa trilogy? I ordered nightwood with the 42nd parallel and 1919

[Anonymous No.18044102]

>>18044081
>nightwood by djuna barnes
I enjoyed the style and originality of Nightwood, but didn't love it, for two reasons. The first is that it is very much of its time. The novel feels like a push-back, a response to the status-quo, an attempt to embody some form of modernity. I felt I lacked context; I found it difficult to meaningfully relate to this narrow, obsolete zeitgeist. The second reason, is that I could not connect deeply enough to the characters - especially to the three women - to feel involved in their minds and the inner workings of their relationships. Or perhaps I connected sufficiently, but just wasn't moved. I would say this is a consequence of the distance created by the writing style. T.S. Eliot says in the preface that the novel needs to be read twice to be appreciated. Maybe, then, the problem is that I read Nightwood only once, or maybe the characters just weren't sufficiently well expressed. This is an influential novel, but it feels to me frozen in time, and no longer so essential.


>42nd parallel
A fast-paced montage of American life from the turn of the century until the outbreak of WWI, most interesting for its radical politics and experimental form, rapidly cycling between stream-of-consciousness autobiography, short biographies of famous figures, collages of news fragments and song lyrics, and a nearly plotless series of linked short stories charting the ups and downs of individual lives in flat, plain prose.

>1919
The fact that the action in Europe takes place behind the front lines with protagonists involved in support fonctions to the war effort makes this narrative rather unique, as it sheds an unusually cast light on the US involvement in the WWI drama from a different angle and perspective. Following the engagement of some of the characters "back home" in the social movements that rocked that period is definitly enlighting, if not moving at times.
I enjoyed 1919 as much as I liked its predecessor "The 42nd Parallel". It is well written, forgiving dated grammar and period slang, and the unwelcome oddity of tyingwordstogetherinsentences. Whilst I greeted and consumed with interest the various newsreels with their often a-propos pieces of historical tidbits, the insipid, or at times, bizarre shooting by the Camera Eye got me annoyed more than once.
After closing this book, I felt I had reached a point where I fret to reach diminishing returns in my pleasure of following John Dos Passos in his journey. Hence, I have decided to pause two third along the way through his US Trilogy. I reckon I had grown weary of the style, the composition, the structure, and the absence of plot, Camera Eyes aside.

[Anonymous No.18044133]

Need some misogyny philosophy. Essays, books, chapters, all is appreciated

[Anonymous No.18044546]

>>18044444
who gottem

[Anonymous No.18044678]

Can any tradfags, guenonfags or evolafags recommend a kamasutra translation?

[Anonymous No.18044705]

>>18044102
Amazing response! Thanks a ton

[Anonymous No.18044779]

>>18035021
McCarthy is not a good beginner pick at all.

[Anonymous No.18044797]

>>18044133
To the woman, there exist two types of accessible men: the lover and the confidant, the entertainer and the provider.
The woman desires the most entertainment from the men whom she covets, with the fewest judgements from and responsibilities towards mostly every person from whom she cannot be satisfied, unless she has some fantasies about them: the impotent, the ugly, the destitute, the weak, the virgin.
Each woman knows, even explicitly claims !, that she is not on earth to be prude, just as much that she knows that there is always one man more devoted, than the others, to her: her challenge is to know whether she can win even better than this goose, in seeking the ideal stability of a few relationships, more or less explicitly open, as well as the excitation from all the fun and drama expected to be offered by superior men.
In one word, the woman seeks the men providing her with the playgrounds which are the largest and safest for her to enjoy her histrionic nature.

In being turned towards pleasures, the female fantasized about the life of men which would have been nothing but about pleasures, without any hardship, or at least more enjoyable than her ``enslaved'' life.
The female has never been ``liberated'', since she was never been caged concerning her love life, even though, for millennia, knowing intuitively how she behaves without supervision until her menopause, the men expected her to control herself a minimum.
Her supposed novel ``liberation'' was nothing but a response, full of merit and pride according to her (quite expected knowing her), from the contrived prudishness of the previous generation --- well, not the generation of aristocrats, for those have always been liberated, therefore fighting, through their notion of merit, against their lassitude , for decades if not centuries.
After having for decades demanded from the society various perks, the woman market becomes, to those who can access it, instantly wider as well as more liquid}.}
The questions become thus `` why to enter this market? '', `` how to enter this market? ''.


The woman constantly follows her desires, especially those leading her, she expects, to many refined pleasures; thereby, the men whom she appreciate can push the limits of behaviour towards her, whereas the lesser men, the poor, the ugly, the impotent must follow rigorously what is socially expected from them in each encounter with every female; in general, those men must not interact at all, at risk of being pegged as a pervert and accused, more or less explicitly, of assault, even before they have done anything.
Can be shamed, sometimes publicly, about their virility, even the men whom she does not despise beforehand, but failing somehow to please her.

[Anonymous No.18044806]

>>18044797
Once pegged, by at least one woman, as litter, these men will be irrelevant to any other female around at the time of the pegging: her essence being sexual, the female does not hesitate to discuss, amongst her female friends, her lovers and their performances, their perks and their drawbacks wherewith they come.
Indeed, in order to grade the men, with respect to their potential ability to satisfy her, a female relies on the personal experience as well as on the members of her species, by pure mimetism : when she sees another female accompanied, she believes that the man must be worth it, worthy precisely because he apparently manages to satisfy one woman; the man is viable.
A man making her believe that he is her boyfriend can notice such a situation when he attaches himself to her and suddenly notice that who seeks satisfaction from him is at least one other female, possibly even more relevant than the present one.
The more a man manages to make a herd of females believes that he satisfied many other such creatures in the past, the higher ranked the man is, all more so as an entertainer, by each woman.

Her quest being to ``feel the most alive'', as the industry of leisure sells it, her moaning, her orgasms being such a epileptic seizure, her little brain sparkling such as a firework, offering thus the highest hedonistic yield, it is no wonder that the female thinks sexually, wants sexually, does sexually, exists sexually.
This strange little creature knows thus without a doubt why she is on earth, what her nature is; she wants to feel alive, to ``live her emotions'' without serious danger, nor risk, nor effort.
The woman blossoms the most not in pure sex (all the more so a few years after her menopause), but rather, first, in the divorce-separation, second in the sterility-nulliparity, in the infanticide-abortion, then in the sex, in the birth, and lastly in the seduction.

We see thereby that two types of woman exist: the woman public in public, the woman public in private};} the one already feeling empowered in assuming her hedonism; the other one dreaming all day long about it, dreaming to be liberated by a man without any negative judgement (especially public); to be, more or less secretly, a frivolous little minx, if only in dilettante.
This second woman is submissive in appearance; she is passive, fantasizing about waiting for at least one man who would reach her true self, for a few to the extend that he would irremediably unlock her, through what she would felt as a rapture.
She remains the most nihilist of the two, for she wishes to live, to be woman, only on her terms and conditions, only when it suits her.
Yet, she finds a few manners to live.

[Anonymous No.18044816]

>>18044806
Indeed, the woman wishing to be more woman makes love mostly with her mouth, through the kiss, whereas the woman who is far more advanced in her being, do not hesitate to involve the rest of her body, to the same extend of her mouth, if not more.
Unfortunately for her, most men fail to acknowledge how important, for her, is her mouth.

A second illustration of the crucial divide between the two happens during the separation, sooner than she expected, between her and one of her lover: for the woman existing as woman as much as she can, a early separation is sign of defect on her part, more so if the man went for another woman, leading her to wonder what went wrong on her side for him to go away so fast; for the woman dreaming to acknowledge her nature, fantasising her will to be woman, the early separation is a sign of a fault of the man, especially if he left in the first weeks of the relationship, be it due to her or another one; the woman wishing to be potent moves away rapidly from this failure in thinking that this man is nothing but a good riddance --- not to worry, she will find new lovers in a blink of an eye.
The woman lacks the reflexivity bringing a lack of equanimity as well as of efficiency about her behaviour; she is a pure actor in the world, she cannot pause, she cannot take time to stop herself in order to reflect on what she thinks, what she says, what she does.
Sometimes, a sudden reflexivity comes by pregnancy, when not aborted, which remains caused by her eternal ignorance, her incapability of introspection beforehand and too often, the woman is at sea when strikes this minute observation on her existence which leads her to not be able to inquire further: to reflect on her reflections, discourses, actions, to put forth always more space between what she feels and what she believes is her self.

In being so close to what she desires and feels, the woman naturally believes that what she does is sound, coherent with her ``finding herself'', ``finding love'', that she is not ego maniac, or even that it is altruistic, that she searches for her happiness just as much as she wishes others to be happy: if she feels good, it can only means that others involved in doing what she does feel just as good.

Naturally, all hedonistic that she is, sooner or later, the woman faces the difficulty that is the lassitude stemming from her wealth of emotions; a difficulty undermined for a moment thanks to the easiness of obtaining a diversity of attention from the herd of most men, especially once that the she manages to pass as a powerless creature tormented by the men.
By her lack of reflexivity, the female however remains in the hedonist pendulum: she swings from sheer satisfaction towards a sadness, only to swing back, once a new man in sight, towards a pleasure more or less already lived, but different enough to be worth living.

[Anonymous No.18044819]

>>18044816

Many men claim that, contrary to the men, the female is the least rational creature, whereas the men would be the least emotional.
In reality, the exact converse holds: the woman perfectly knows what she wants; her hedonist stance is the more logical for, after all, everybody loves their pleasures just as they show aversion towards their pains; however, she fails to notice that her hedonism remains inefficient, by its fruits hardly permanent, due to her lack of reflexivity.
And the swan song for the woman is found in the forty-year old divorcee, not so cliché, believing to emancipate herself such as in her twenties, alas remaining unable to even give the men an erection, once she denudes herself.

It is not rare that, all exhausted by a few decades of living in what she conceives as the ``present moment'', in order to better live, a new life begins as the female approaching her menopause calms herself, in discovering a mild state of ataraxia blended in a longing for the golden times, believing to have reached thus a new liberation leading her to discover her truer spiritual side, less egotistical, and leaving her a bit perplex.
Even the young female taking the holy orders does so only after a few years of proud liberation, where she stumbles upon a spiritual path after thinking that she is disenchanted from the men, from the emotional life.

Most men remain, on the other hand, completely emotional towards their existence in general, towards the woman in particular , skinking into misery and suicide as soon as the woman no longer validate them.
They lack the notion of efficiency, if, by some miracle, they manage to know what they want.
Does a female love a man as a man loves a female?
No; the female does not love the man; at best, the woman loves to be loved as well as adores to love to be loved.
Most of the men love a woman such as most of the females loving their children, up to, for too many men, talking to the female in puerile manner in public; whereby most of the men completely failing to understand that a man must take a female with detachment, such as an owner loving his dog, such as the scientist towards his experimental subject.
The lovers plays along, play her game precisely for he is not egotistic, but only narcissistic.

Her lack of reflexivity renders her the most untameable creature that so many men attempt, drawn by her, to domesticate only to perish faster than a moth on a night lamp, due to their innate failure to seek a reality outwards themselves, something that the inwards attention of the female prevents her to endure.

[Anonymous No.18044824]

Her nudity is the force of the woman: she makes her lack of apparent shield the most powerful one, so that the woman never lies to who takes the moment to observe her, yet without hesitating to crush every man whom she judges cruelly unworthy of her.
So much power appears as beauty itself but, naturally, once that the higher man reaches her, he understands at the same instant her vacuity, or rather, the debilitation of his original quest.


The nature of the woman leads to a masculine discrimination of men with respect to their behaviours towards the female.
The most common kind of men is naturally the beta, in other words, the men devoted to the female; the men seeking, from the female, some ``meanings to their lives'', some faint relevance, validation of their existence, to grasp their existence by the reaction of the reality onto themselves , with sex, they think, yielding the best result for this purpose.
Since the female herself seeks the men from whom she expects the most pleasures as well as the least displeasures, the first kind of men divides into three sub-kinds: the first sub-kind is the man who attempts to proudly content the female foremost via the flesh , in betting on his appearance as well as his performance, for, irrespective of her beauty or age, the woman is explicitly no longer in the habit, if she ever was, to compromise on her desire of sex; the second sub-kind is the man who attempts to satisfy the woman foremost via the mundane amusements , in betting on his finances, typically in offering her various activities; the third sub-kind is the man who tries to provide the woman with comfort , either material or emotional --- the famous emotional tampon.
These are the three sub-kinds of the beta man; each one of these men offers his services to the woman and wait for her to accept him or reject him; all of these men take a passive stance and completely depend on the woman each day of their lives.
The three betas are disposable by their nature and by their number in the world: the betas are a cheap commodity which is not scarce at all.
Let us be clear: the men do not enjoy sex for sex, only the female is able to do so.
Every man understands perfectly that the sex is, at best, a surge to unload as swiftly as possible which is not worthy of a dedicated life.
The woman appears thus, crucially, as far more: given her nature, she is the easiest manner to go beyond the surge and even though most men go beyond it, they do not go beyond the female itself; not even the seducers who long, more or less secretly, for a relationship.
They are right since any territory beyond her remains uncharted; it is a field of possibilities.

[Anonymous No.18044831]

>>18044819

The betas create themselves a hierarchy of men, which revolves around the degree of satisfaction of the woman from the betas, since those are devoted to her.
These men know perfectly that the woman is sexual, which puts the kind of men seeking her sensual pleasures on the top of the hierarchy.
The lowest beta is of course the one furnishing the emotional comfort, since this comfort provides the lowest one and is no longer about the direct pleasures, but about the easing of her pains.

In this hierarchy made by the betas, the beta attempting to gain the attention of the woman through her amusement lies between the first and last kind of betas.
In taking for granted the striving towards the woman, therefore making it implicit, these same men believe that the explicit financial wealth of a man is what distinguishes, even more, him from its peers.
They fail to notice that many empires have not arise and many have fallen due to a single woman.

The lowest betas are denied the access to the woman, which only leads them to build resentment, not towards the female (since they praise her unconditionally), but towards the seducer who ``does not respect the woman'' from which the female adopts, still according to those confidants, the disappointment from all men.
This tactics permits the lower betas to keep a hope to please the woman of their dreams, in a vain attempt to show her that ``not all men are the same''...
The female creates also a punishment for those men who fail her, an humiliation on the virility of the men at her disposition; for instance, in disclosing to the failures themselves, the performance of her other lovers, former or current, or more subtlety their names at the right moment, in order to keep the interested, to strengthen their dependence and the competition: they might have not met the standards expected by the woman, nonetheless she still refuses that they leave her sphere of influence.

She can prevent those men depending on her to depart towards other truths in ridiculing them about what she makes them believe is their essence, the essence to seek a relevance of their existence through her existence.
No wonder why she dares to demand and generally obtains a faithfulness from most of her lovers --- the woman demands the faithfulness because she is not faithful herself, thus knowing the danger, towards her interests, that this behaviour represents.

[Anonymous No.18044840]

>>18044831

Once ended her various love stories, until she finds new ones, the good little boyfriends-husbands-fathers must be dedicated in providing a safe net for her, in listening to her life at diner, in sharing, day after day, the chores, the bills, the rents, the care of the children and, of course, her states of hysteria, more or less pronounced.
The playground provided must be the largest possible; the best boyfriends sanctify her, up to the point to being proud of, for instance, not even thinking of touching her handbag nor of manipulating her telephone.
They even manage to equally believe that the female is cleaner than men.
In being devoted, once in some relationship, the betas tend to think the mother-whore dichotomy; these men accept that the girlfriend-hood or the motherhood is a redemption for the female, from becoming a ``sinful whore'' after she looses her virginity.
They equally take pride from letting the woman to act as she desires.
Nonetheless, more or less consciously, a few boyfriends acknowledge what is the nature of the woman, without hesitating to share the girlfriend, notwithstanding a behaviour going from a will to be seen under a favourable light, up to a touch of bitterness taking the form of an assertion, more or less explicit, of power over her lovers, especially when those do not come form the circle of friends of the couple, rarely over the girlfriend itself.
The man in free relationship thinks he has the advantage, over the temporary lover, for the he would permits the temporary lover to indeed be a lover.
The boyfriend chooses to forget that if his couple itself picked up this lover, other couples and other females could easily pick up this lover as well.
The female knows that the good lover appears as selfish towards her, in bed or not, just as much as she is towards the other men, if not more.
The lover and the female match, click, the relationship sparkles to better enliven her.
This new kind of man is the second and last sub-kind: the man who is not devoted to the female and even less to her sensual quest; a man having such an independence form her, that she senses it quite easily.
This man belong to the alpha kind.
The alpha man naturally turns the table with the woman: all indifferent that he is when he must deal with her, it is now the woman who must show that she is worthy of him, typically in hearing that she is wrong in behaving in such or such manners which makes her strive after that she thinks that the alpha man betters her ; whereas, when it comes to men seeking validation through her, the betas proudly do not demand anything from the woman, the woman waits for the first men, amongst the flock of all the betas, who complete her list of requisites.

[Anonymous No.18044845]

>>18044840
If the beta dares to negate his docility suddenly, the woman will drop him or punish him.
In one word, the beta is primarily devoted, the woman is primarily egotistic, the alpha is primarily narcissistic.
The woman confuses the narcissism of the alpha and her egotism: she is drawn to him.

It is with the alpha man that the woman ``feels alive'', ``feels like a woman'' the most, by her work that she must furnish in order to be even considered.
The alpha man rewards the woman when she has proved that she merited him.
It is this man who gives ``meaning to the life'' of the woman; she knows that such a man is exceptional, thereby that he is worth it, just as the woman knows that, as she wishes, she has the power to make the three betas feel relevant in their lives.
For once, she knows that a man is above her, that there is better than her, that she can be relevant towards somebody for once, only if she is good enough.

The alpha man knows that the absolute liberty plays against the liberty itself, whereas the woman only knows this through an intermittent intuition.
He gives the woman a frame of restrictions wherein the woman can plays in liberty and it permits her thus to develop her faculty to enjoy herself and the world, to attain the most jouissance, to be what she thinks she is.
For him, each female is, at best, a springboard for a new woman.
A woman lives in a network of other women who wait to be taken.
Once more, this situation goes in the opposite direction than the case of the beta males, which the woman knows that they come and go, that they are easily affordable, easily replaceable since they let her do what she wants.
The beta has faith in the absolute.

We could expect from the woman that, by her existence naturally revolving around the tragedy and the drama, she would become an artist, a creator, an inventor, but that would be missing the evidence that the female does not live through such excruciating lives.
The woman remains poorly creative, precisely for she has an interest in art, for she believes that she has ``something to say''.
Her interest for the expression is personal, always directed inwards her.

On the contrary, the masculine angst brings some abilities, themselves leading to creativity: mostly as males who seek the feminine approval through the mundane activities as well as the comfort, the men are not interested in the drama nor the tragedy, even less when their lives are filled of events of these natures, but those few at ease with communication becomes the perfect artist, inventor or creator, which attracts, incidentally, the female.
The lesser exposition towards the female of the alpha men leads those rare men naturally to a strong intellect, or for the fewest, to wisdom, foresight, in particular once equipped with equanimity.

[Anonymous No.18044854]

>>18044845

It becomes manifest that this kind of man knows that there exists a life beyond the seduction, contrary to the first kind of beta male, knows that there exists a life beyond the entertainment, contrary to the second kind of beta male, knows that there exists a life beyond the woman, contrary to the third kind of beta male.
There exists a famous saying: the difficulty is not to come in the brothel, but to come out of it.
If they must apply a dichotomy towards the female, those rare men choose the whore-saint one: they take the woman for what she is, a public good, her only pure state being a virgin.

Sometimes, gifted with reflexivity, such men have a strong degree of equanimity which permits them to appear infinitely more detached around her.
These higher alpha men leave, without resentment, such a binarity as the whore-saint; happily they accept the woman for what she is; they do not expect anything from the woman, they do not blame the woman, they do not despise the woman, there would not even be a relevance to do otherwise.
He understands that the female is a different creature from him, as he understands that an order between the female and the man remains unbecoming.

Contrary to the three kinds of beta males, the alpha man cherishes more his time and serenity; he leaves the woman, her quest for pleasures, her worries, to the other men passing after him; in having none dependency towards her, the alpha man understands that, as nice as it is to take a female when he desires one, it is even more delightful not to have a woman when he does not desire any.
The alpha man understands that the woman is a sheer amusement.
On earth to be shared, in heat all year long, the woman is a whore, as so many say often bitterly, but the whore is equally a woman.
In living so essentially for, by, as well through the histrionism, the pleasure, the frivolity, the superficiality, the woman knows why she is on earth, shows herself as she is, to such an extend that nothing remains more beautiful when she rests in her purest state, the one where the female acknowledges and strive to coincide with her nature.

[Anonymous No.18044917]

>>18031968
>cancerous topic dilution bait thread containment
The most baste of threads

[Anonymous No.18045034]

>>18044705
No problem, its why these threads exist in the first place.

[Anonymous No.18045294]

>>18036316
It doesn’t ponder, but Les Miserables.

[Anonymous No.18045989]

>>18042572
Just let her watch the movie version of American Psycho.

[Anonymous No.18046211]

>>18031968
Any books that will help anti-anime anons to cope with anime?

[Anonymous No.18046288]

>>18043682
She's going through that phase when they're obsessed with male psychopaths and killers. I was hoping that maybe Bateman will show her that such a thing isn't actually that cool and desirable.
>>18045989
Good idea. The movie isn't nearly as graphic iirc.

[Anonymous No.18046308]

>>18034478
How you make book chart like that?

[Anonymous No.18046378]

Coomer brain here,
I wanna write for a comic or VN and go cold turkey on procrastinating it.
I can't draw but I know my way around blender for 3D models.
What resources can I use to practice writing for the comic/script format?
Any good interviews on the process or techniques some people use?
What is your process?

[Anonymous No.18046483]

How do you hold books if you have naturally sweaty hands? Anyone else with this issue? I don't want to fuck them up and warp the pages.

[Anonymous No.18046502]

>>18046378
I write out what's going to happen like normal, then cut it into a segments based on moments that can happen in a single panel (usually one action and two or three sentences per character) and then make sure there are only about 5-7 moments (panels) per page that fit into a scene naturally and don't start in the beginning of something unnaturally or get cut off awkwardly.

[Anonymous No.18046523]

>>18043664
Consider yourself as a stranger, think about yourself as you think of other people.
Study a couple subjects heavily, get good at something.
Learn to talk like a normal person, not a meme or a book.
Figure out priorities, don't be ruled by your emotions as much but still allow yourself to have them, including fun.

[Anonymous No.18046546]

what is a good site where people publish their short stories or novels? I only know wattpad and apparently that is for romance written by teenagers.

[Anonymous No.18046551]

What is the likelihood of this poster being gay? >>18042976

[Anonymous No.18046561]

>>18042427
only fat faggots read that crap.
>>18042572
>Would it be bad
obviously, but her feminine brain would probably enjoy them if that's what you're asking.

[Anonymous No.18046607]

>>18046211

[Anonymous No.18046612]

>>18043214
because this is the literature board, not the "dump your banal creative writing garbage" board.

[Anonymous No.18046671]

>>18046502
Thanks for that tip anon that actually makes a lot of sense.

[Anonymous No.18046697]

>>18046671
No problem, this experience should go to SOME use.

[Anonymous No.18046724]

>>18034785
>educating women at all
ngmi

[Anonymous No.18046822]

What the fuck are kantbots actual views? I dont have time nor desire to go through all hours of his podcast
What are his believes in the nutshell?

[Anonymous No.18046872]

Is there any chance of the hardcover of this being reprinted?

[Anonymous No.18047014]

>>18046872
How was this? I’ve got the UK edition on my shelf

[Anonymous No.18047027]

What are some good existentialism recommendations? I just finished steppenwolf by Hesse and I did enjoy notes from underground and want to know of other similar books.

[Anonymous No.18047238]

>>18046697
Hell while I got you here what do you write on?
I've been using docs since forever but if there is a good alt option that i can use on Android and pc interchangeably like docs I wouldn't mind trying it.

[Anonymous No.18047252]

>>18047238
A private Discord

[Anonymous No.18047365]

>>18047252
I mean if it works.

[Anonymous No.18047433]

>>18047365
Yeah, you can transfer text to and from it to anything with discord. I use it for images and videos too.

[Anonymous No.18047495]

>>18047433
Thanks for the tip!

[Anonymous No.18047687]

>>18046612
Really? I thought this was the "regurgitate philosophical views to seems smart'-board. But you're right there isn't anything creative about it.

[Anonymous No.18047733]

>>18045294
Thanks.

I don't know why I used ponder now that I think about. I meant to ask for a book about that theme.

[Anonymous No.18047879]

>>18036316
Count de Monte Cristo, perhaps?

[Anonymous No.18048008]

anyone have the cont? This stuff is funny and a bit insightful
>are you high on donkey semen?
priceless

[Anonymous No.18048025]

>>18048008
heh, never mind. It was in the Quran thread.

[Anonymous No.18048822]

>>18047879
Thanks

[Anonymous No.18048905]

>>18033982
Omnicide if you're looking for super out there criticism.
>>18035796
It's just vain hedonism with a faux veneer of culture.
>>18036005
Eliade's Shamanism is all about euphoric experiences - could be a subconscious projection of the feminine Sophia.
>>18038314
Carpe Diem felt more similar.
>>18041720
>>18041844
This (Pevear and Vronsky)
>>18046211
Watch Your Name (Kimi No Wa). Anime is fantastic.
>>18047027
Camus' The Stranger but also read Kirkegaard Sickness Unto Death so you don't turn into an ass

[Anonymous No.18048976]

>>18033982
read dan schneider's This Old Poem essays. i actually haven't read much of his poetry, but his takedowns and reappraisals of famous poems is extremely illuminating on the mechanics of poetry.

[Anonymous No.18049407]

I have read a bit of Camus and of Houellebecq in the original French as I gain more proficiency with the language. Now I'm reading Jules Verne and doing pretty well. Would you consider me ready to tackle "Mémoires d'Hadrien" next?
Also, what other French authors would you presume I can handle considering the ones I've already read?

[Anonymous No.18049753]

>>18049407
Yes.

[Anonymous No.18049761]

Any books to help a 19 yo get his life on track/become cultured/have purpose?
>Hard mode: no self help

[Anonymous No.18049936]

>>18049761
No.

[Anonymous No.18049958]

>>18049936

[pip No.18050007]

>>18031968
im tallally talking about mickahl blugov but with an modern haunt on the squerwuer. reall williamsburroughbsg junkeh fight from the cabin of jacqque kerouac while anna kareniva gives head to tolstoys japanese cosplay0r. darwinian illiad mixed with (tied)y joyce symbology according to plaith dirty imagergy. any sugegestions
>ib4scannerdarklyy

[Anonymous No.18050011]

>>18036001
I liked Secret History. The ending is a bit of a weak dissolution, but there's enough going on throughout to be worthwhile. My biggest gripe with it is that the most interesting thing to happen in the novel happens off-screen, and is described to the narrator afterwards by a far more interesting character. This is deliberate and in keeping with the themes of the story, but it was still obnoxious.

I got halfway through the Goldfinch. Well-written prose, vivid environment, and a handful of characters who pop off the page, but it meandered far too much. I skipped to the end out of mild curiosity, and it seems to get unrelentingly nihilistic in a way that wasn't all that fun to read. But I'm sure more nihilistic readers might appreciate that sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.18050232]

>>18049761
If:
>religion - Bible or Quran
>fiction - anything by Dostoevsky
>non-fiction - Revolt against the Modern World

[Anonymous No.18050267]

>>18050232
>Revolt against the Modern World
QRD? Seen this before but I thought it was some cringe altright book

[Anonymous No.18050494]

Anyone here know of good sources to self-learn about international law?
I want to get as close as possible to what I'd learn at a prestigious university.

[Anonymous No.18050517]

>>18050494
You planning to be an international lawyer anon?

[Anonymous No.18050533]

>>18050517
Not really, I don't think that's possible without an actual degree.
Just seems like an interesting direction to expand my knowledge.. and I know I have the patience to learn a bit.

[Anonymous No.18050582]

>>18049761
#1 thing you should do is learn to limit hobbies to one day a week or after 9PM or some shit and then become ruthless and brutal about categorizing "productive activities" and "hobbies." Protip, watching youtube videos all day falls under hobby. And when you only have limited time in a day or week to spend on hobbies, you don't want to waste it on that faggotry. You can either hit 30 knowing how to play an instrument, being fit, knowing several languages, and being a well read well rounded person, or you can hit 30 still going DURRR I GOTTA GET MY LIFE TOGETHER WHAT BOOK SHOULD I READ like most people on here. That shit creeps up fast, time in your 20s is a FINITE RESOURCE. The biggest thing young people don't understand is that your entire consciousness around 20 has a "feeling," not a thought or belief but a more like a "vibe," that time moves slow and you have 50 years to figure shit out before you're 30. And the biggest cruelty in life is that not only is this wrong, but it actually works in the opposite direction - you're going to hit 30 around the time you think you should be hitting 26. So don't be a retard.

You should start reading a lot to train your mind and expose yourself to a lot, also undertake projects that require concerted reading/study in subjects to force you to integrate knowledge in a deep way instead of just skimming off the top. But no one thing in particular will be guaranteed to transform you. It is mostly an issue of constant, reasonably deep exposure to things.

The most important thing is to have something you care about deeply by age 30. If you don't have one yet, that's okay you have the consciousness of a goldfish because you're a kid. But if you don't expose to things constantly and deeply, seriously undertaking projects and commitments (some might be abortive or dead ends, but that's part of the process), you will fuck yourself.

tldr the worst thing you can do is jack off for 10 years thinking "I'll do it tomorrow." It's always already tomorrow. Start kicking bad habits now. Also cut out junk food, stop being a bitch and learn to floss, and don't read while shitting for 4 hours or you'll blow your asshole out and get hemorrhoids. You'll thank me later.

[Anonymous No.18050596]

>>18044678
I think the debate is between Danielou and Doniger, Doniger shits on Danielou in some review but her complaints didn't look that big of a deal to me and I wonder if it wasn't just politics motivating her to be nitpicky

[Anonymous No.18050621]

What are some actually good post-modern American novels?

[Anonymous No.18050677]

>>18050582
I’ll thank you now anon appreciate it

[Anonymous No.18050874]

I want to create a derivative novel from the Iliad where the Trojan War becomes a sort of Valhalla for all dead people past and present, with the dead divided as soldiers into the camps of the Achaeans and the Trojans. What other works would be relevant to this?

[Anonymous No.18051234]

>>18050874
Make something original.

[Anonymous No.18051269]

>>18051234
>Make something original.
The first thing that comes to mind when I think of originality is having a bee sting me on the penis.

A huge amount of genre fiction is "original", yet it is still denounced by /lit/. True originality can only come from the result of an outside actor beyond our knowledge becoming known by us.

Yet the Iliad, the Epic of Gilgamesh, Shakespeare's works, the Grapes of Wrath, Paradise Lost were never truly original in that they derived something.

So there are now two questions:
* Why is 21st century literature obsessed with originality?
* What other works would be relevant to an Iliad derivate work?

[Anonymous No.18051276]

If a girl dressed like that hung around on the street at night in my city she'd get raped and killed lol

[Anonymous No.18051577]

>>18051276
Where do you live that this happens?

[Anonymous No.18051606]

>>18051577
Stockholm

[Anonymous No.18051666]

How do I become articulate /lit/? God I wish wasn't an ESL Third-worldie. I'm quite proficient at reading comprehension but when it comes to expressing my thoughts I'm just too much of a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.18051681]

>>18051666
Begone deceiver, we can smell the Angelo on your purposeful grammatical errors. Also the sixes.

[Anonymous No.18051936]

How do I read faster? I don't mind that I'm pretty slow when I read for enjoyment but for university I need about two hours for 20 pages. I often think that I didn't REALLY understand something so I end up re-reading some passages more than once.

[Anonymous No.18051971]

>>18051666
I suppose speaking is a lot like writing. You just do it better then more you listen, and the more you practice it.

[Anonymous No.18051976]

>>18051936
If you have a 4 credit hour class and you're assigned 2 20 page readings that each take 2 hours that's about right. Comprehension takes time. I do not trust speed readers.

[Anonymous No.18051986]

>>18031968
Should I read Anne Karenina or War and Peace?

[Anonymous No.18051991]

>>18051986
why not both? flip a coin if you can't decide which to do first

[Anonymous No.18052040]

>>18031968
is there a good alternative to libgen for old as fuck scholastic works?

trying to find and not on there.

Shakespeare, Secret Intelligence, and Statecraft
William F. Friedman

[Anonymous No.18052062]

>>18051976
But I will need to read much more for the coming month. It'll be stressful if I take all my time to read in such a slow pace.

[Anonymous No.18052077]

>>18052062
What are you studying?

[Anonymous No.18052085]

>>18052077
Political Science.

[Anonymous No.18052114]

>>18052085
Are you an undergrad?

[Anonymous No.18052324]

Books to do with how good it feels being jacked/physically fit and just masculine gym stuff in a good novel form (Mishima-ish)?

[Anonymous No.18052715]

>>18052324
None, stop being egotistical.

[Anonymous No.18052880]

Books on metaphilosophy?

[Anonymous No.18052884]

>>18052880
https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/metaphilosophy

[Anonymous No.18052903]

>>18052884
I'll look through these. A lot of books I already like are on there.

[Anonymous No.18053060]

>>18052903
Hope it works out for you.

[Anonymous No.18053248]

>>18031968
Haha, it’s Lulu.

[Anonymous No.18053333]

Is Morrissey's autobiography any good?

[Anonymous No.18053345]

>>18053333
A good chunk of it is great. Well-written, insightful, throws up some interesting historical/personal context for Morrissey's creative work, and accurately reflects his presumed personality. The fact that he continues a despairing attitude from the description of his younger years right through the lifetime of The Smiths is understandable, and the in-depth analysis of the music important to him growing up points to why he would so obsessively note down every chart position of his career.

However, the book and I part ways when it reaches the point of the infamous court case in 1996, where Morrissey and Marr are sued for Smiths royalties. I am convinced it is a legal travesty, but devoting such a large chunk of the book to it seems entirely disproportionate. It also demonstrates Morrissey's self-justification, childish pettiness, and inability to see that it is his entirely alterable attitudes that cost him much in his life (being a vegetarian - fine, healthy, laudable. Stropping off in silence if someone else is eating meat - juvenile.) It does, however, provide a useful shorthand reference for why there will never be a reunion.

Plus, this shift in emphasis completely overwhelms the personal insight in the latter half of the book, surely more interesting than settling scores. It does seem like a lack of editing, particularly when the tenses begin to muddle and the account of his latter-day touring is aimless and makes the same points repetitively. The book ends at the end of 2011, which is a shame, since accounts of his 2013 illness and tour cancellations would have been valuable. And while it is hard to provide a conclusion to a life you are still living, a better ending is required.

I can recommend the first half of the book readily. However, if you leave the book when Marr leaves The Smiths, you can't be blamed, since from then on it is probably only fit for the fans and the masochists.

[Anonymous No.18053349]

>>18053333
It's a mixed bag. Some great parts then there's 40 pages complaining about the court case. Worth a read but don't expect to be blown away.

[Anonymous No.18053739]

does anyone want to read a formulaic story about radios?

[Anonymous No.18053753]

How to approach writing when you are consciously in the learning stage?

I've only started writing again recently so naturally my prose is quite simplistic, how does one go about developing a style in the beginning?

I know to read other authors, but should I for instance write a short story in x style, another in y style etc, and then through doing this slowly reach my "own" style?

Or is style a spook? I don't want to imitate Hemingway, but is my natural voice not enough?

[Anonymous No.18053765]

>>18050582
Fuck me that was a good text, if you have any more advice to give / wish to elaborate, please do so.

[Anonymous No.18053956]

>>18051606
Oh, my apologies, anon. Hope your country gets better.

[Anonymous No.18054016]

Anyone going to get into Kindle Vella? It’s in beta at the moment for American residents

[Anonymous No.18054127]

I borrow books first, then record them in a log. If they're good, I buy them for future annotation and sentimental reasons, but if they're bad, I don't buy them. Is this good or bad?

[Anonymous No.18054272]

>>18054127
If it works for you why not

[Anonymous No.18054436]

>>18050494
bump
Is /his/ a better place to ask? They don't have an sqt/qtddtot

[Anonymous No.18054932]

>>18054436
If I were you I’d just check any reputable college’s syllabus for International Law

[Anonymous No.18055450]

Best books on the history of Jerusalem?

[Anonymous No.18055464]

>>18053753
If you can read you're not in the learning stage.

[Anonymous No.18056287]

>>18054016
No.

[Anonymous No.18056469]

>>18055450
The Storyteller of Jerusalem: The Life and Times of Wasif Jawhariyyeh, 1904-1948. by Wasif Jawhariyyeh.
A Tale of Love and Darkness. by Amos Oz.
The Jewish War. by Josephus Flavius.
The Bible. The New Oxford Annotated Bible.
Jerusalem. by Sami Tamimi & Yotam Ottolenghi.

[Anonymous No.18056482]

>>18056469
Thanks anon, I'll check them out

[Anonymous No.18056567]

Two questions, very broad but I hope you forgive me.

>How do you write a story where the moral message is contrary to what most people adhere to and still have it be palatable to the general public?
>How do you write a thriller with little no violence? Are there any examples?

[Anonymous No.18056569]

>>18047014
Not him, but I finished it a week ago and it was a hell of a ride

[Anonymous No.18056595]

How do I cope with having a massive backlog but being a slow reader with shitty concentration? I do like 20-40 pages a day, depending on how dense a book is. So books like C&P take me a bit over a month. Which sucks, because I like to talk to people about books but it's hard to do when being so slow. The longer I do an activity (time period) the less I enjoy it, I noticed. I get excited about all these new books I find out about and could be reading but am stuck with my old read for the next weeks before I can do that.

[Anonymous No.18056599]

>>18046822
That you should watch indulge in his podcast, but also, who cares?

[Anonymous No.18056862]

>>18056595
Just read.

[Anonymous No.18056940]

Who are authors that are kind of like Dostoevsky?

[Anonymous No.18056982]

>>18041720
>>18041844
Avoid P&V. Read McDuff and others.

[Anonymous No.18056992]

>>18050596
What politics?

[Anonymous No.18057499]

>>18056992
Are you serious?

[Anonymous No.18057503]

>>18057499
Yes, I mean, I'm asking what were her exact politics? Not questioning you, mate.

[Anonymous No.18057592]

>>18054932
yeah, that's actually probably the way do go about it

[Anonymous No.18058400]

Where do I start with Structuralism? Is Saussere the best start? Is there anything that isn't linguistics-based?

[Anonymous No.18058553]

>>18056992
I'm >>18050596 and don't know all the details but from what I gather Doniger is sort of famous for being a secular cultural theorist type who doesn't show reverence for traditions, just studies them and appreciates them from a modern cosmopolitan perspective. Her book on India was banned in India, I can't remember why exactly but it was basically irreverence. The side favorable to her presents it as traditionalists hating her just because she's an uppity woman who doesn't defer to them. Probably somewhere in the middle.

I don't know much about Danielou but if you can read French (from wiki):
>Daniélou adopta certaines positions de l'hindouisme le plus radical défendant vigoureusement le système des castes et s’insurgeait contre l’interdiction de l’infanticide des filles à la naissance : « Une grande importance était attachée à la naissance d'enfants mâles, et l'infanticide des filles était largement pratiqué. Cet usage, général dans l’Inde, empêchait l’inflation démographique. Quand, plus tard, les Anglais l’interdirent ce fut l’une des causes de l’appauvrissement et de la misère de l’Inde ». Il prit aussi la défense de la pratique du sati « où l'épouse se brûle vivante sur le bûcher de son époux mort », les sacrifices humains, etc. Il a critiqué aussi très violemment l'islam et le bouddhisme.
>Danielou pour sa part, aurait suivi une autre démarche, à savoir transmettre ce que certains des guides spirituels les plus reconnus de l'Inde lui avaient transmis et ce, dans une perspective religieuse.
>Daniélou ne se considérait ni indianiste ni hindouiste et encore moins scientifique ou universitaire. Il précisait toujours qu'il se considérait comme un témoin qui avait eu la chance, comme une personne transportée au temps des pharaons, de vivre complètement intégré pendant de nombreuses années dans la société orthodoxe de Bénarès. Il se considérait comme mandaté pour rapporter à l'Occident ce qu'il avait vu, entendu, compris de la philosophie de cette grande civilisation ainsi que les points de vue des Pandits traditionnels peu accessibles aux indianistes occidentaux

So he defended ultra-orthodox things. But other sources say he was a rogue orientalizing "esoteric Shaivite" (https://bibliobs.nouvelobs.com/essais/20100720.BIB5459/danielou-le-traitre.html)), some kind of sex tantrist?, who read his translations through his own sexual liberationist preoccupations. Despite being in contact with Guenon and favoring him he seems far from Guenonianism, this source is saying he was polytheistic but not devotionalist, some kind of esoteric pagan sex occultist.

[Anonymous No.18058636]

>>18058400
>Is Saussere the best start?
yes

[Anonymous No.18058697]

>>18058400
There is no one "structuralism." Just read Saussure's Course in General Linguistics and skim over the actual linguistic theory parts, the meat of the book everyone pays lip service to is like a handful of pages. Make sure to get the new Baskin/Meisel/Saussy translation, the old editions are very bad.

You can learn a bit about Jakobson and the Prague School too, that might be a good place to start for understanding their influence on the French scene at the time, through Levi-Strauss and Barthes. Levi-Strauss' article "The Structural Study of Myth" is short and a good starting point:
https://people.ucsc.edu/~ktellez/levi-strauss.pdf
http://culturalstudiesnow.blogspot.com/2012/04/claude-levi-strauss-structural-study-of.html

And look into Barthes. You could watch Paul Fry's lecture on structuralism as an introduction:
https://oyc.yale.edu/english/engl-300/lecture-8

You could also read Lefebvre's critique of the structuralist "movement" but it would probably confuse you more at this point. Honestly I would just go into this whole thing prepared to look at it in a fairly loose way, don't expect to find a grand theory of "structuralism," but at best a family of related ideas (and sometimes not even that). For example Braudel also tried to call himself a structuralist, Althusser is called a "structural Marxist" which makes no sense (and his reading of Marx makes no sense and nobody follows it). My suggestion: Learn the Saussure and Jakobson stuff, understand how Levi-Strauss was inspired by it, and you have most of the puzzle.

[Anonymous No.18058994]

>>18034785
Could give her Sandman comics. Have set many plebs on the path to patriciandom.

[Anonymous No.18059014]

>>18041333
Illuminatus! Trilogy
Mumbo Jumbo
The Forever War

[Anonymous No.18059053]

>>18056595
Slow and steady wins the race. Just read every day if you can. If a book takes you a month, it takes you a month, oh well. Maybe over time your reading will improve and you can naturally read more without forcing it too much

[Anonymous No.18059061]

>>18056940
What aspects of Dostoyevsky do you like? Are you interested in 19th century Russian, or just looking for psychological/philosophical novels

[Anonymous No.18059143]

>Man is nothing but what he makes of himself.
Any hot takes on subjectivity in existentialism? Personally I can't stand this dumb looking fucker or his piss-poor takes.

[Anonymous No.18060049]

>>18031968
>anime
you're part of the problem

[Anonymous No.18060120]

>>18060049
How is he the problem if he's trying to fix /lit/?

[Anonymous No.18060232]

>>18059014
Are any of those good?

[Anonymous No.18060253]

>>18060232
Illuminatus! Trilogy is

[Anonymous No.18060585]

>>18060253
I’ll check it out.

[Anonymous No.18060598]

Is it normal to think everything you write is trash? I always get decent feedback in my workshops & by my professors & peers, but whenever I looked at my doc's and journals, I want to kill myself.

[Anonymous No.18060616]

>>18060598
Yeah

It helps to actually want to write what you're writing though. If you think it needs to be said, and you think you'll get credit for saying it, your brain shifts your priorities around and you're willing to suffer a lot more for the sake of the task, including embarrassment.

Too long spent without getting anything out there, too long spent dreaming of writing something perfect without ever writing something, is much more dangerous because it deprives you of experience and growth. That's why people who want to write "to be a writer" are putting the cart before the horse. They want to be the perfect writer, not a cringe one, which gives them an unconscious license to never actually publish anything.

[Anonymous No.18060706]

>>18060120
>>18060337
>>18054252

[Anonymous No.18060724]

>>18060120
>>18060337
>>18054252
>>18060238

[Anonymous No.18060731]

>>18060724
Only one of those is worse than average and that anon is leaving anyway.

[Anonymous No.18060767]

>>18060616
Thanks. I think you nailed it actually. Ever since I went to Uni, I stopped wanting to write fiction, because it turned into a job. I looked at my stories I wrote when it was purely for fun, and I almost broke down (I know, I know, I'm a bitch) but, it made me think about how much I loved writing, and how great it made me feel. It gave me a reason to live, but now it's tough, because like you said, it helps to want to write.

[Anonymous No.18060907]

/v/irgin here, whenever i said how much vidya would benefit from a better written story, everyone told me to go read a book, well, i actually got into audiobooks last month after not touching the subject for years and already finished 20 of them
I already got my list and wishes on what listening to next, however, how does one finds "hidden gems" in this sector? You know, like finding those actually good indie or niche games nobody gives a shit about, is there a method that is not autistically checking every new release?

[Anonymous No.18060916]

>>18060907
Pleb

[Anonymous No.18060940]

>>18060916
True, at least i didn't start a thread to ask about it
Also you taste in vidya is shit

[Anonymous No.18061075]

>>18060907
You could just lurk here and look for audio book versions of what you find interesting. I'm sure you'll get good suggestions itt if you tell us more specifically what kind of stories you're after.

[Anonymous No.18061121]

Is there anything I should read like an overview of ancient greece before I read the Illiad?

[Anonymous No.18061309]

>>18061121
No, just read it.

[Anonymous No.18061347]

>>18061121
Most editions should cover that in the introduction, and have notes at the back which explain stuff you might find unfamiliar

[Anonymous No.18061368]

>>18061121
You don't really need an overview of Greece to read the Iliad. The Iliad takes place in Mycenaean, that is Bronze Age Greece, nominally around 1300, and it's coloured by a good several hundred years of being recited by bards in changing social conditions after the Bronze Age Collapse that took Mycenaean civilisation with it. Greece lost its written language (Linear B), its economic and social forms (Bronze Age command economies organised around some kind of Near East-style palatial city states), and its entire civilisational form (which was probably highly complex, with the Aegean having a whole political topography of states), regressing into what's called the Dark Age. The Dark Age had no written language, collapsed trade, much more local and regional polities probably dominated by warrior aristocrats, etc.

All of that is very alien to Archaic and even Classical Greece. And it would take a long time to become familiar with these. We also don't know much about the Bronze/Dark Ages in Greece, not much that would significantly colour your reading of the Iliad and Odyssey anyway. And it's virtually impossible to figure out what parts of the Iliad are faithful descriptions of the past, and even if they were, whether it's descriptions of the Mycenaean past or the Dark Age, since they are (ostensibly) stories for an elite audience (Mycenaean notables?) being retold again and again for changing audiences of different elites (Dark Age warlords).

You just don't need to know much other than that it's a Bronze Age world. It's so muddled that tons of study won't help much anyway. In fact you will be more motivated to do that studying once you read it since you will be naturally curious about the shit, like is that city they now think is Troy really Troy etc., are the Hittite records of western peoples with a name like Akhaioi really the Akhaioi etc.

>>18060907
I like to follow youtube channels that do amateur (but high quality) readings of short stories from the golden age of pulp fiction, in magazines like Weird Tales, or simply when it was profitable to publish a collection of spooky stories. Skim the youtube catalogues of HorrorBabble, Edward French, or Bite Sized Audio Classics and you'll see what I mean. If you're interested in other things, like early fantasy or Conan the Barbarian, just search for that instead, find out what channels cater to it, and then search in their catalogues for things you can be reasonably sure you'll like but would otherwise never hear about.

Found tons of gems this way. Of course, you could also read someone who specialises in antiquarianism for a field you care about, like S.T. Joshi for horror/weird fiction. There are always cool people who have devoted their lives to some genre or subgenre. Becoming one of those people can be very rewarding, make a year long project of studying the development of modern fantasy or scifi by reading through its development.

[Anonymous No.18061389]

>>18061368
>>18061121
One thing on Greece though. If you do want some overviews of Bronze Age Greece, try youtube. Channels like these often have great overviews:
>Epimetheus
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp9ZtilfKJds0iWytR_pnOQ
>History with Cy
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZzqG2zfeRKMoJwDwk1FTvQ
>Historia Civilis
https://www.youtube.com/c/HistoriaCivilis/videos
>Study of Antiquity and the Middle Ages
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxRSpkGOH_09pxKvgD8S5jQ

But I don't know if I'd advise being an expert on the Mycenaean era/Bronze Age just to read Homer. Homer is Homer, Mycenae is not Homer. Constantly picturing a historically realistic Bronze Age while reading Homer may do more harm than good. It's supposed to feel like a "heroic" age, where everything is larger than life and it's not quite realistic (though that doesn't mean it was any less real). That's how the Greeks felt about it.

[Anonymous No.18061818]

How do you think critically and put your opinion into words?

Like whenever I'm watching some anime or movie or reading a book I just cannot put forth an opinion on it.
I can say I liked it/disliked it/boring but except that I can't put my opinion in words.

[Anonymous No.18061838]

>>18061818
Easy mode: Read Marx and put everything in terms of class conflict

Hard mode: Go start with Plato's Poetics to learn literary critique I've haven't read it myself

[Anonymous No.18061846]

>>18061818
Easy mode: Read Marx and put everything in terms of class conflict

Hard mode: Go start with Aristotle's Poetics to learn literary critique I've haven't read it myself

[Anonymous No.18062093]

>>18061846
I’m not reading Greeks.

[Anonymous No.18062164]

How to go about explaining this to my mother?

[Anonymous No.18062170]

>>18062164
You honestly tell her the origin.

[Anonymous No.18062182]

For what good reason should I not kill myself? Sure, recommend books if you want to.

[Anonymous No.18062193]

>>18062182
There are people more worthless and harmless than you who are more deserving of death and you should only kill yourself after having killed all of them, billions if necessary.

[Anonymous No.18062232]

>>18062164
>>18062170
fuck,wrong image,sorry for the shitpost

[Anonymous No.18062250]

How do I go about explaining this to my mother?

[Anonymous No.18062294]

>>18046483
I don't have this problem,but have you thought of getting a bookstand?

[Anonymous No.18062422]

>>18046483
Get an ereader with a cover

[Anonymous No.18062452]

>>18034020
That's a really amusing post.

[Anonymous No.18062455]

Any good novel recommendations for a guy who really liked the devil and grand inquisitor chapters of Brothers Karamazov?

[Anonymous No.18062457]

>>18034785
Jane Austen

[Anonymous No.18062499]

>>18062455
>Devils, Dosto
>The Trial, Kafka
>The Secret Agent, Joseph Conrad