Iberoamerican Literature Thread

[Anonymous No.18016741]

I'll get us started on the first post.

[Anonymous No.18016747]

>>18016741
latin america, you mean

[Anonymous No.18016753]

What other works are there to complement Vasconcelos' Cosmic Race?

Do you agree with his views?

[Anonymous No.18016769]

Second post then. Anon's trying to come up with his "latam" useless term again.

[Anonymous No.18016771]

Borges' Ficciones
Alejandro Zambra's My Documents
Bolano's By Night in Chile
Diego Zuniga's Camanchaca
Adolfo Bioy Casares' Invention of Morel

[Anonymous No.18016773]

>>18016741
Mexican wannabe spaniard cope thread

[Anonymous No.18016790]

>>18016771
>Alejandro Zambra's My Documents
redpill me on zambra, is he really the best spanish writer of our time?

[Anonymous No.18016828]

Zambra basically writes some kind of autofictions but not as obnoxious as American writers. His writing is a synthesis of postmodern fiction and Bolano's works

[Anonymous No.18017126]

>>18016753
I like Vasconcelos and Dr. Atl, as a Mexanon I studied their works in school, but holy shit I would love to smoke what they were smoking.

[Anonymous No.18017136]

>>18016773

[Anonymous No.18017143]

>>18016790
Not even close. He's shit. Marías, Vila-Matas, Toscana, Enrigue, Aira, are all still alive and have a better body of work.

[Anonymous No.18017149]

>>18016753
I have no negro blood in me. Vasconcelos can suck it.

[Anonymous No.18017198]

>>18017126
Never heard of Dr. Atl, was he similar to Vasconcelos?

[Anonymous No.18017293]

>>18017143
but theyre oldddd

[Anonymous No.18017297]

Paraguay speaks Guarani...

[Anonymous No.18017301]

>>18017293
So is Zambra. He's 45.

[Anonymous No.18017329]

>>18017297
Yes, so?

[Anonymous No.18017351]

>>18016753
Nuestra América retroactively refuted Vasconcelos.
But anyways, what are you all reading? Currently reading Gamboa's Santa and a short story collection by Mariana Enríquez. The first one seems ok, the latter is good but not as good as her newer short stories.

[Anonymous No.18017362]

>>18016747
no, Iberoamerican. Latin American would also include French Guiana and the French speaking Antilles.

[Anonymous No.18017363]

>>18016741
only lit I've read of the sort is 100 Years of Solitude by GGM, any reccs based on that? I really enjoyed it, very esoteric

[Anonymous No.18017367]

>>18017329
Isn't latin american.

[Anonymous No.18017368]

Rough draft, feedback bros?

No, aún no encuentro hoy en este día,
Tu mirada verde resplandeciente;
No te he encontrado todavía,
¿Acaso sabes cómo se siente?

No hoy, pues es menester
Que esté aquí tu bella piel
Estirpe universal que al parecer
Es tan dulce como lo es la miel.

No, en serio, ¿dónde estás?
Mestiza mía, te pregunto
¿Te encontraré yo, tú me encontrarás?
¿Cuándo estaremos los dos juntos?

Sí, he de seguir caminando,
Y permanecer sano;
Pues la vida nos está observando,
Para reunirnos juntos de la mano.

[Anonymous No.18017376]

>>18017367
You're right, it is hispanoamerican/iberoamerican.

[Anonymous No.18017377]

>>18017362
Can anyone explain to me what should we include the Brazilians? What's this weird obsession? Let's just say Hispanic America.

[Anonymous No.18017384]

>>18017377
I agree with you, I'm OP.
I thought maybe some brazilianons could contribute with some lusophone literature as well.

[Anonymous No.18017386]

>>18017363
beautiful book, it has many interpretations btw.

[Anonymous No.18017398]

>>18017384
They never show up unless to say hello or troll around. They are their own thing.

[Anonymous No.18017402]

>>18016741
Maria by Jorge Isaacs. Beautiful novel from Colombia.

[Anonymous No.18017420]

>>18016741

Martin Fierro by José Hernández.

A good story that give us an idea of how much people from the southern cone suffered because of the interests of capitalists motherfuckers.

[Anonymous No.18017426]

>>18017198
Yes, Mexican fascism is a thing bc of Vasconcelos and him

[Anonymous No.18017437]

>>18016741
Mexibros, read this. It's a recent edition of a hidden gem from the late 19th century.

[Anonymous No.18017469]

>>18017426
He looks like Cevallos.
Literally never heard of him, so tell me about his works.

[Anonymous No.18017480]

>>18016741
Question for Spicbrehs, what one piece of advice would you give to an anglo (English) approaching works of this cultural slant (ie. Iberoamerican)??

[Anonymous No.18017491]

>>18017402
Is that the cover? I love it

[Anonymous No.18017497]

>>18017480
That's a way-too-broad question; would you like to know anything in particular, dear angloprotestant?

[Anonymous No.18017526]

>>18017491
oof! there are hundreds of editions sice it was published at the very first time. But I can tell you that if you read it, this same picture will be generated in your brain, but with all the beautiful details.

[Anonymous No.18017536]

We should edit this out and translate its cover and all

[Anonymous No.18017537]

>>18017480
Don't judge it via yank politics of muh left muh right, muh black=one drop rule.

[Anonymous No.18017616]

>>18017368

[Anonymous No.18017652]

mario ballatin

[Anonymous No.18017655]

What to read by Eduardo Galeano outside of Las venas abiertas de América Latina?

[Anonymous No.18017675]

>>18017497
I guess any pre-cursors to coming to read a lot of lit and poetry from the region. I have a decent cocneption of colonial history, geopolitics, economy of the continent. I dunno, how much of Catholoicism is there interwoven into Iberoamerican /lit/ ITT? What are some of the broader philosophical ideas unique to Latin American cultures (i.e. German Romanticism, Wagner, destiny, etc.) - is there a lot of pessimism in these cultures art?

>>18017537
Ok, so left-right paradigm really = false, goddit

[Anonymous No.18017685]

>>18016741

[Anonymous No.18017761]

>>18017675
1.
>Catholoicism
Catholicism.

2.
>Latin American cultures
Iberoamerican/hispanoamerican.

3.
>colonial history
?

4.
Hisoanoamerican Baroque and naturalism.
I enjoy the generación del 98 (1898's generation) which is an epoch where writers were affected by the final decay of the Spanish empire.

Examples of works from the 98's epoch:

San Manuel Bueno, mártir. By: Miguel de Unamuno (short fiction book).

He andado muchis caminos. By: Antonio Machado (short poem).

[Anonymous No.18017777]

>>18017761
4.
Hispanoamerican Baroque*

[Anonymous No.18017790]

>>18017761
>spoelling mistakes
sorry lad I'm a little drunk quite honestley its been a long week. thanks for the good reply :))

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYqWRDiE No.18017808]

>ESPAÑA, Y PORTUGAL.

>IBEROAMÉRICA.


...

[Anonymous No.18017849]

>>18017808
El mismo mapa lo dice, en el colo azul bajo. Y la misma RAE:
>Perteneciente o relativo a Iberoamérica, España y Portugal.
Pero entiendo lo que dices.

[Anonymous No.18017861]

>>18017849
Condorito BTFO Eternally

[Anonymous No.18017867]

>>18017808
>>18017368
Podrías darme tu opinión en cuanto a este poema? No seguí regla alguna. Gracias.

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYqWRDiE No.18017869]

>>18017849


EL ESTRAGO DE LA NESCIENCIA, Y DE ESTA PERPETUADA POR EL ACADEMICISMO DESCRIPTIVISTA.

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYqWRDiE No.18017877]

>>18017861


?

[Anonymous No.18017894]

>>18017869
El caso es que se ha de incluir a la Península Ibérica, dadas sus valiosas aportaciones a la literatura en español y portugués.

[Anonymous No.18017913]

>>18016741
"Camões é o Lobo Antunes da poesia" - António Lobo Antunes

What did he mean by that?

[Anonymous No.18017932]

>>18017869
La RAE te ha hecho un hoyo nuevo.

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYqWRDiE No.18018028]

>>18017368


1. DEBERÍAS MEJORAR TU TÉCNICA IMPLEMENTANDO SIQUIERA METRO; EL METRO SOLO ES MEJOR QUE LA RIMA SOLA.

2. SEGUNDA ESTROFA, SEGUNDO VERSO: EL ADJETIVO «BELLA» NO QUEDA CON «PIEL»; LA BELLEZA IMPLICA PERSONALIDAD, O, MÍNIME, TOTALIDAD ÓNTICA, NO UNA PARCIALIDAD; ES BELLA UNA PERSONA, UN TODO; UNA PARTE PUEDE SER BONITA, MAS NO BELLA; QUEDARÍA MEJOR: «TERSA PIEL».

3. SEGUNDA ESTROFA, CUARTO VERSO: LA FIGURACIÓN ES CURSI, E IRRACIONAL —CÓMO ES LA PIEL «DULCE COMO LA MIEL»?

4. TERCERA ESTROFA, TERCER VERSO: LOS PRONOMBRES PERSONALES SON REDUNDANTES, Y YA QUE NO ESTAS SIGUIENDO UN METRO SU USO ESTÁ AUN MENOS JUSTIFICADO; QUEDARÍA MEJOR: «TE ENCONTRARÉ; ME ENCONTRARÁS?».

5. TERCERA ESTROFA, TERCER VERSO: LA PUNTUACIÓN CORRECTA ES PUNTO Y COMA, NO COMA.

6. CUARTA ESTROFA, CUARTO VERSO: «REUNIRNOS JUNTOS DE LA MANO», NO TIENE SENTIDO, Y EL «REUNIRNOS JUNTOS» ES REDUNDANTE.

7. COMO ESBOZO ES MEDIOCRE, PERO SI LO DEJAS COMO ESTÁ SERÍA PÉSIMO.

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYqWRDiE No.18018034]

>>18017932


CÓMO, SEGÚN TÚ?

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYqWRDiE No.18018055]

>>18017894


ENTONCES NO PONGAS COMO TEMA: «LITERATURA HISPANOAMERICANA», SINO: «LITERATURA LUSOHISPÁNICA», O: «LITERATURAS HISPÁNICA, Y LUSITÁNICA».

PORTUGAL, Y ESPAÑA, ESTÁN EN EUROPA, NO EN AMÉRICA.

[Anonymous No.18018087]

>>18018028
Se aprecia la revisión.

[Anonymous No.18018149]

>>18017861
B A S E D

[Anonymous No.18018234]

>>18017913
Alguém aqui considera Lobo Antunes, duma vulgaridade hubrística tremenda?
Ás vezes é tão pseudo que magoa.

[Anonymous No.18018244]

>>18017861
condoritobros we got too cocky

[Anonymous No.18018268]

>>18018234
Write in english or spanish you faggot, we are not monkeys.

[Anonymous No.18018296]

Can someone explain magical realism to me? Why is it a big deal in Latin America, and what separates it from fantasy?

[Anonymous No.18018303]

>>18018268
This is an Iberoamerican thread.

[Anonymous No.18018322]

>>18016741
>tfw Filipinas is no longer part of Hispanidad

Sad desu

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDYqWRDiE No.18018335]

>>18018268


TU É INFERIOR A MACACO; TU É SUBHUMANO.

[Anonymous No.18018367]

>>18018335
shut up, condorito. you're a fucking bird lmao

[Anonymous No.18018664]

>>18017437
Thanks for the rec, Penguin really has been publishing some good 19th century latam lit. Check what they've published from Argentina, there were a few works I did not know.
>>18017675
I honestly do not feel Catholicism is as important as it might seem. I feel it's only very palpable in colonial literature, but not so much afterwards. As this Anon says >>18017761, you should probably familiarize yourself with Hispanic baroque as it's incredibly important for Latam literature.
> What are some of the broader philosophical ideas unique to Latin American cultures (i.e. German Romanticism, Wagner, destiny, etc.)
From what I understand, most philosophical work made in Latin America (or at the very least Mexico) is focused on finding what it means to be Argentinian, Mexican etc. Recently though here in Latin America this philosophical "movement" (not sure if that's the best term for it) has sprung up which is called posoccidentalismo. I'm not very familiar with it but from what I gather it's like Latin American-style postcolonialism.
Something that isn't a philosophical idea unique to Latin America, but I'd still recommend checking out is Modernismo, which is the movement by which Hispanic America attains its artistic independence and shifts the relationships it has with Europe. Some more theorical works, not necessarily philosophical, do spring from this movement, for example Rodo's Ariel.
> is there a lot of pessimism in these cultures art?
Mexican philosophers would say yes, but where it's more evident, from what I've read, is 19th century Argentinian lit. There's just a feeling of despair in those works (which is perhaps not the best way to explain it but you might get what I mean).
>>18018296
It's important because it's another attempt by Latin America to explain itself in its own terms and not in European ones. The way it achieves this is by privileging popular thought and voices. For example, in García Márquez fantastical elements are narrated nonchalantly, as if they were just normal things because that's how they're perceived by certain popular sectors of Latin America. This is also what distinguishes it from fantasy and why I feel it's more akin to something like Surrealism or absurdist writers like Gombrowicz, in Magical Realism you sense a contradiction between the fantastic elements and the nonchalant way these things are described, whereas in fantasy you do not feel this contradiction. A youtuber I enjoy described it as reality with an assonant tone.
Sorry for any typos, pic just for attention

[Anonymous No.18018713]

What are some good works from the generation of '98 and the Regeneracionismo? I already tackled the generation of '27

[Anonymous No.18018758]

>>18018713
>generation of '98
Pío Baroja is my fav. Read El árbol de la ciencia, Zalacaín el aventurero, and everything you can get your hands on.

[Anonymous No.18018787]

>>18018034
Con lógica y ciencia :D

[Anonymous No.18018814]

>>18018758
Gracias

[Anonymous No.18018824]

>>18018664
Not the first anon you replied to but as a nordfag I appreciate your post, really good insight - Gracias!

[Anonymous No.18018830]

>>18018664
>There's just a feeling of despair in those works (which is perhaps not the best way to explain it but you might get what I mean).
Pretty much. Like in Echeverría's El matadero.

[Anonymous No.18018841]

>>18016741
For those interested in the Latin American short story, read pic rel. It's a good anthology that goes from the beginning of the genre to more modern iterations and it covers many countries.

[Anonymous No.18019160]

>>18018841
Great recommendation, I'll look into on my next haul.

[Anonymous No.18019175]

>>18018841
Hispanic American*, sorry.

[Anonymous No.18019200]

>>18018234
https://youtu.be/5qDmQnGGzCI
Um clássico.

[Anonymous No.18019209]

how many words of Spanish do i need to understand the easiest of Spanish books?

[Anonymous No.18019255]

>>18018335
are you bad reviews of good books

[Anonymous No.18019313]

>>18016741
Can anyone recommend any fairly easy books in Spanish I could read while learning the language? Nonfiction preferred.

[Anonymous No.18019356]

>>18019209
I would recommend you to get all the basics down and have at least an A2 level

[Anonymous No.18019404]

>>18018367
condorito is chilean you ignorant faggot

[Anonymous No.18019406]

>>18019356
Thank you anon. I'll hopefully get to that level within 24 months.

[Anonymous No.18019414]

>>18019406
Kek, I forgot A2 is literally Elementary.

Make that 6 months.

[Anonymous No.18019436]

>>18019404
chile doesn't exist, faggot. try again.

[Anonymous No.18019442]

>>18019313
Borges' essays. Clear, concise language but you will learn a word here and there. Many different topics as well.

[Anonymous No.18019450]

>>18019313
I can't think of any nonfiction but I can tell you two short fiction ones that are quite nice:

1. San Manuel Bueno, mártir. By: José de Unamuno.

It's about a Catholic priest who lives in a small town in Spain, who does not even believe in God; he keeps it as a secret and he suffers from existentialist crises.

2. Las medias rojas. By: Emilia P. Bazán.
This one is rather much shorter but expresses a more advanced vocabulary imo. It's about a "pretty" girl who gets the chance of leaving Spain for the New World, but something happens.

If you don't mind, here's a link to it (it has both the original Spanish version, and its English translation):

https://www.google.com/amp/s/genius.com/amp/Emilia-pardo-bazan-las-medias-rojas-annotated

Hope you like them.

[Anonymous No.18019461]

>>18019406
>>18019414
Easy cake anon. What's your first lang?

[Anonymous No.18019467]

>>18019461
English.

[Anonymous No.18019480]

>>18019442
>>18019450
Thank you, I’ll check these out.

[Anonymous No.18019497]

>>18019480
El árbol de la ciencia by Pío Baroja is also on the simple side of prose, if you want a coming of age novel.

[Anonymous No.18019654]

>>18019436
t. boliguayo

[Anonymous No.18019844]

>>18018028
Chicano, you’ll never be Mexican.

[Anonymous No.18020026]

>>18018234
He's the best living writer in the language, but I can't stand reading his endless ramblings about his childhood memories, his teddy bears, his mother's words, and other similar things.

I once did a funny test: I opened some random pages from one of his recent books (O Arquipélago da Insónia?) and searched for the words "pai", "mãe", "avô", "tio" etc. And I verified my hypothesis: Lobo Antunes can't go a single page without mentioning at least one family member. Often he can't go even ten lines - not even ten. As a result, his books create a very closed, reduced reality. There is no variety in them. All you're going to find will be some not-very-interesting characters interacting with each other or talking to themselves, endlessly.

The result is a magnificent structural baroque, worthy of Faulkner and others, but whose substance often falls into simple kitsch. And this has to do with his literary tastes: he once said that, if he had to pick only one novel, it would be Emily Bronte's Wuthering Heights.
It was lovely to witness his surprise when, during that YouTube conversation, George Steiner told him Bronte is nothing but, if I remember correctly, "glorified kitsch". Indeed! And much of what Lobo Antunes does consists in glorifying his own kitsch too.

His first books (such as Memória de Elefante) which today he rejects because of the style (for some reason, he now dislikes metaphors - I don't know why), are in fact probably among his best ones, because he still didn't pretend to be a teenage girl and instead presented himself as the person he was: Lobo Antunes, an adult man, a physician, and a writer.

As for his recent books, having read three, I'd say that if you've read one you've read the other two. Even the structural variations become uninteresting after the first book, and you say to yourself "Oh, yeah, here is the old, old Lobo Antunes style..."

[Anonymous No.18020207]

does anyone know any good contemporary/recent books? i basically have read every boom latinoamericano book but cant find anything that is interesting right now

[Anonymous No.18020235]

>>18019844
He's a gaylisquillo with literal autism. Go easy on him lol

[Anonymous No.18020241]

>>18020026
>He's the best living writer in the language
That'd be Cormac :)

[Anonymous No.18020245]

>>18016790
read him and find out, all of his novels are done in a sitting.
except for the shit he handed out to fill anagrama's contract as his last novel

[Anonymous No.18020253]

>>18016771
>diego zuniga
kek go eat some more chips

[Anonymous No.18020255]

>>18020207
Álvaro Enrigue and David Toscana.

[Anonymous No.18020269]

>>18020241
I was obviously referring to the Portuguese language.

And you are right. It's sad to see how the great Anglo poets have all died in the last decade: Hill, Heaney, Wilbur, Ashbery...

[Anonymous No.18020285]

>>18020207
The boom is over and no one has come to replace the great writers. Vargas Llosa is the only great Latin-American writer alive, and he's 85.

Honestly, I think we probably need some kind of anti-boom revolution so that our generation can find its own voice. The great boom writers wrote nothing like their predecessors, so why should we?

[Anonymous No.18020291]

>>18020269
sorry, I'm retarded. I thought you meant something else. Are you Portuguese?

[Anonymous No.18020295]

>>18020291
Brazilian. And you?

[Anonymous No.18020298]

>>18020285
Bolaño was pretty much an answer to the boom in a way. All these new younger writers are emulating him.

[Anonymous No.18020314]

>>18020207
Dime autores que te gusten y veré si te puedo dar alguna recomendación de autores contemporáneos
>>18020285
Anon… I'm not trying to be mean, but you should read more contemporary fiction because you clearly haven't.
>I think we probably need some kind of anti-boom revolution
this already happened during the 80s and 90s. See: McOndo and La generación del crack. I haven't read Bolaño myself, but I've heard a professor say that he too has to be understood as a reaction to the boom writers.

[Anonymous No.18020317]

>>18020295
>And you?
Mexican.
>Brazilian
Cool. What are your thoughts on Guimarães Rosa's short stories? Have you read them? Would you consider they are worth reading in translation? I wanted to ask you because I found pic rel for a very cheap price lol but I don't know if they lose the magic in the translation.

[Anonymous No.18020334]

>>18020314
>I haven't read Bolaño myself, but I've heard a professor say that he too has to be understood as a reaction to the boom writers.
I'd recommend reading Distant Star if you don't feel like reading his longer works. That little book is Bolaño in a nutshell. Pretty good.

[Anonymous No.18020353]

>>18017808
Te falta más cultura, mi estimado marciano.

[Anonymous No.18020409]

>>18020353
No es cuestión de cultura, sino de saber geografía elemental.

>>18018055
>PORTUGAL, Y ESPAÑA, ESTÁN EN EUROPA, NO EN AMÉRICA.

[Anonymous No.18020423]

>>18020409
No, sí es cuestión de cultura. Mira la definición de la RAE.

[Anonymous No.18020439]

>>18020409
Ya lo han explicado >>18017849

[Anonymous No.18020447]

>>18020423
No es necesario un diccionario para saber la diferencia entre América y Europa.

[Anonymous No.18020454]

>>18020447
Es necesario para entender cómo se usan las palabras.

[Anonymous No.18020459]

>>18020454
IberoAMÉRICA
¿Estás tonto o qué?

[Anonymous No.18020464]

>>18020317
I haven't read the short stories yet. Grande Sertão is a major novel, a great achievement. I read it when I was a teenager, though.

It probably will lose a lot of the magic, yes, but if the book is really cheap, maybe you should just go for it, then buy the original in case you really enjoy it.
Besides, the original will be quite difficult for you. Guimarães Rosa is difficult even for many Brazilians.

[Anonymous No.18020478]

>>18020314
>>18020298
I read some of Bolaño ten years ago and disliked it. Maybe I should reread him, then.
But do you really think he's on the same level as Borges, Bioy Casares, Rulfo, or Vargas Llosa? To me it seemed quite obvious that he was not.

Anyway, Cesar Aira is pretty good. But he's getting old too (72 yo).

[Anonymous No.18020499]

>>18020459
IBERO: Relativo a Iberia, antiguo nombre de la Península Ibérica.

[Anonymous No.18020505]

>>18020478
I don't even think Bioy Casares is on the same level as those other guys you named. Bolaño is better than Bioy but inferior to the rest.

[Anonymous No.18020564]

>>18020505
Still, one could name Octavio Paz, Marquez, Cortazar, Carlos Drummond, Guimarães Rosa...
Clearly, if you take the ten best Latin-American writers alive in 1960 or 1970 and compare to those who are alive now... Something has gone wrong, some vital energy has been lost.
I suppose that's common after periods of great vitality. It happened in Italy after Dante, Petrarca and Boccaccio, it happened in England after the metaphysical poets, it happened in French poetry after the great symbolists.
But the energy needs to be recovered.

[Anonymous No.18020678]

>>18020564
Podría estar de acuerdo contigo anon pero no hay nada más molesto y soso que esas críticas a la literatura contemporánea que sólo dicen "antes era mejor, por qué no somos como antes". Si quieres que tus críticas sean fructíferas vas a tener que leer más literatura contemporánea, nombrar aquello que está mal específicamente con ella, dejar de sólo ver al pasado y empezar a pensar en el futuro.

[Anonymous No.18020688]

>>18020499
La palabra en cuestión es “Iberoamérica”, no “Ibero-“.

[Anonymous No.18020702]

>>18020688
Es parte de la asimetría de algunos términos. Latinoamérica no incluye a Canada, por ejemplo.

[Anonymous No.18020716]

>>18020702
Mira, no es mi problema que no puedas entender el significado de una palabra tan fácil, pero ello no justifica que la uses incorrectamente.

[Anonymous No.18020727]

>>18020716
Iberoamérica es un concepto cultural, no solo geográfico. No es mi problema que no entiendas cómo funciona el idioma.

[Anonymous No.18020744]

[Anonymous No.18020758]

>>18020727
Iberoamérica: Región de América civilizada por España, y colonizada por Portugal.

¿Qué no entiendes? No hay lógica en incluir a Portugal, y a España, en IberoAMÉRICA, porque esos dos países están en EUROPA.

[Anonymous No.18020790]

>>18020758
Se les incluye por razones de comunidad cultural. Algo así como anglosfera pero para culturas Ibéricas.

[Anonymous No.18020803]

>>18020790
El término que buscas es “iberósfera”, y para lo portugués, “lusósfera”, y para lo hispánico, “hispanósfera”.

[Anonymous No.18020811]

>>18020803
No onions ese anon pero ya ponte el trip CVM

[Anonymous No.18020822]

>>18020811
>si no es igual de ignorante que yo, entonces es el tripfag

[Anonymous No.18020828]

>>18020822
Lol concuerdo con la misma idea hispanista, gilipollas

[Anonymous No.18020838]

>>18020822
>>18020811
kek ya te descubrieron, condorito.

[Anonymous No.18020850]

>>18020838
Mejor hubieras ido a la escuela, en vez de hacerte la pinta.

[Anonymous No.18020859]

>>18020803
La RAE lo registra como un uso válido. La RAE > tú.

[Anonymous No.18020873]

>>18020859
El que lo registre la RAE no lo hace correcto. Usa tu cerebro, si es que tienes.

[Anonymous No.18020901]

>>18020873
Quien hace válido una variante de un término, son los hablantes del idioma. Iberoamérica existe incluyendo a España y Portugal. No importa cuanto berrinche hagas, el término ahí está.

[Anonymous No.18020915]

what spanish-speaking country should i move to? only half-memeing
i have a solid understanding of spanish, want to become fluent, and am sick of burgerland

[Anonymous No.18020920]

q wea significa condorito

[Anonymous No.18020928]

>>18020915
Depends on which variant of the language you prefer. Colombia, Mexico, and Peru are good and clear dialects for foreigners. Chile is not ideal. The Caribbean is a meme. Spain can be hit or miss but worth it if you're into that. Argentina is fun.

[Anonymous No.18020934]

>>18020920
>chileno que no conoce a Condorito
bait

[Anonymous No.18021007]

recomiéndenme por favor una buena traducción de alguna obra de Ovidio que pueda obtener razonablemente en México.
leí un PDF medio malo de Remedia Amoris y me gustó, pero Metamorfosis es su obra que más he oído mentar.

[Anonymous No.18021009]

>>18020934
xq le dicen condorito al cvmgenius kek

[Anonymous No.18021064]

>>18021009
Porque parece ave condor

[Anonymous No.18021083]

>>18021009
Porque es idéntico kek

[Anonymous No.18021201]

>>18020928
thanks mate

[Anonymous No.18021267]

Finna read La Vorágine after i finish runaway horses

>>18017469
Not the anon you're responding to but he was mainly known for his paintings and for being a predecessor to muralism (mexican artistic movement inspired by futurism) he does have one book that i know of and it's literally titled "the jews in america".

[Anonymous No.18021273]

>>18021267
>Finna
Come on, now.

[Anonymous No.18021275]

>>18021064
if this nigga walks down the stairs his head will fall off

[Anonymous No.18021282]

>mexicans who act like they're black
is there anything more cringe?

[Anonymous No.18021287]

>>18021267
>"the jews in america".
Is it antisemitic?

[Anonymous No.18021311]

>>18021287
The actual translation would be more like Jews Over America. And yes, it's a critique on the Juden's influence. Very silly btw.

[Anonymous No.18021321]

Just finished 'Gabriela, clove and cinnamon' yesterday and loved it. Please recommend me more books like it.

[Anonymous No.18021330]

>>18021321
Never heard of her.

[Anonymous No.18021332]

>>18017376
guarani is not a romance language

[Anonymous No.18021338]

>>18021311
Ooofff man just that brief description in the cover lets you know it's rather an interesting one. Grax

[Anonymous No.18021341]

>>18021332
?
That's obvious. What does that have to do with anything?

[Anonymous No.18021351]

>>18021330
You're missing out, m'man

[Anonymous No.18021367]

>>18021351
Is it erotic?

[Anonymous No.18021381]

>>18021367

[Anonymous No.18021403]

>>18021367
There is sex involved

[Anonymous No.18021485]

Lusohispano edition. Will make mine after waking up, hope to see some of you fags having done yours too

[Anonymous No.18021680]

Morning

[Anonymous No.18021686]

>>18016741
You missed a spot in Africa.

[Anonymous No.18021700]

>>18021686
Oh yeah

[Anonymous No.18021704]

>>18021686
Africa is not Iberoamerica

[Anonymous No.18021768]

>>18018028
>3. SEGUNDA ESTROFA, CUARTO VERSO: LA FIGURACIÓN ES CURSI, E IRRACIONAL —CÓMO ES LA PIEL «DULCE COMO LA MIEL»?
because poet dude is horny and licked the girl

[Anonymous No.18021898]

The lack of Brazilian Literature in this thread upsets me.

[Anonymous No.18021933]

The best iberoamerican novels ever

In portuguese: Grande Sertão: Veredas, by João Guimarães Rosa

In spanish: Cien Años De Soledad, by Gabriel Garcia Marquez

[Anonymous No.18021989]

>>18021933
I thought Llosa's 'War of the end of the world' better tbqh

[Anonymous No.18022290]

>>18020026
>He's the best living writer in the language
Really shows how far we have fallen.
I completely agree with the rest you wrote.
I'd like to add that I said vulgarity for the his promisquity with women and hubris because of the way it talks of himself (as demonstrated by the post I replied).

[Anonymous No.18022515]

>>18020678
You are making a straw man out of my argument.
I am talking specifically about South American literature.

I believe that Hungarian literature, for instance, is doing extremely well, to judge by the amount of fine writers who have appeared in that country in the final decades of the 20th century. But Latin American literature is not doing as well as it used to.

And I am not complaining either. It's easier for me to make a name for myself if there are few good writers.

[Anonymous No.18022529]

>>18021989
You should read Euclides da Cunha, then. It is better than Guimarães Rosa. But it's not a novel, and there are some dry scientific passages in it. Yet he manages to evoke the world of the backlands even better than Rosa does, in my opinion.
Borges was a very great admirer (and quotes him on Ficciones).

[Anonymous No.18022545]

>>18022529
>better
Doubt

[Anonymous No.18022590]

>>18022529
I've read 'Rebellion in the backlands' too and like you say, it's a bit dry, though still an interesting account of that war. Even Llosa's book gets a bit dry at points, but I really rushed through the ending. Shame there's so little information of el conselheiro, seems like an interesting person.

[Anonymous No.18022670]

>>18021768
Holy kek

[Anonymous No.18022715]

>>18022290
I still think he is a great writer.

The problem is that he didn't know when to stop. Also, he simply refuses to change his style. I don't know how he can stand it. I can't imagine myself publishing so many books that look so much like each other.
Saramago did the same thing, by the way, with few exceptions. However, in his case at least the settings were wildly different, even if the literary "formula" was the same, so he did manage to add a lot of variety in his books, even though he was considerably weaker than Antunes as a writer.

Anyway, I much prefer authors such as James Joyce, Thomas Pynchon, Nabokov, or Pessoa, to whom every new book is a new process, a new way of doing things. Nabokov's novels, at least the ones I've read, are all very different from each other while still remaining distinctly Nabokovian. Every Joyce novel looks like a reinvention of the novel as a form, same as the Book of Disquiet. Lobo Antunes did look like a reinvention back in the day, perhaps, but now he doesn't anymore.

If, however, you are a writer of few themes (which is the case of Lobo Antunes), then you should do it like Borges and write very little, but work really hard to make every single sentence unique, every story memorable. Lobo Antunes, however, prefers to produce a 400-page book every two years, and as a consequence he keeps repeating himself over and over. I don't see the point anymore. Meanwhile, all of Borges's collected Fictions are just 500 pages long, but you never get tired of it. It's specially funny because Lobo Antunes always likes to go mystical in his interviews and talk about how he wishes to "write like silence", but then he refuses to actually follow the logical next step, which means to stop publishing so much stuff.

Always mistrust writers who publish one 200-500 page novel every two years. Not even Joyce, Flaubert and Nabokov were ever able to do that. You need time perhaps not so much to actually write it, but rather to renovate yourself and find new forms and new themes.

[Anonymous No.18022720]

>>18022545
Perhaps I am exaggerating, but still...

[Anonymous No.18022726]

>>18022715
Just noticed I used the word "however" three times.
Sorry.

[Anonymous No.18022832]

>>18022720
I would say they're in different categories, but in the same league, if that makes sense... One is very literary, and the other is more of a sociological work.

[Anonymous No.18022848]

"Queria por um travesti, à força... Andei para aí atrás dos travestis e a falar com eles... E, depois, queria meter o travesti e não conseguia!" (António Lobo Antunes, interview with José Viegas, 1997)

What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.18023320]

>>18016771
Morel is the only book I've read where I can see every scene of it in a movie I will never have the money to make.

[Anonymous No.18024270]

give Brazilian gf. also, how old are the ones in puic rel?

[Anonymous No.18024294]

>>18021485
No one did it and I'm a bit lazy atm too

[Anonymous No.18024304]

>>18024294
I did one years ago, let me check the archive

[Anonymous No.18024344]

>>18024304
>>18021485
Here's mine

[Anonymous No.18024354]

>>18024344
What the what the, the last pic on the bottim of what you got, that's s strange XD never read that one

[Anonymous No.18024373]

>>18024354
kek more about the incest in general, than the particular mother-son incest. sorry, I'm retarded.

[Anonymous No.18024407]

>>18024373
Heard about that book too much I didn't know it was gonna be that messed up.
Aboutta make my chart

[Anonymous No.18024424]

>>18021485

[Anonymous No.18024463]

Fresh off the oven

[Anonymous No.18025267]

Anyone read Julio Meinvielle?

[Anonymous No.18026092]

Bump

[Anonymous No.18026413]

>>18017655
Los hijos de los días

[Anonymous No.18027471]

Anyone read this yet

[Anonymous No.18027688]

>>18027471
Why would anyone waste their time with that?

[Anonymous No.18027735]

>>18027688
To learn how capitalist ideas were implemented on the show

[Anonymous No.18027771]

>>18027735
Idiot.

[Anonymous No.18027788]

>>18027771
Did I say I'm a commie

[Anonymous No.18027809]

who here read Luiz Pacheco?

[Anonymous No.18027848]

>>18027471
i've heard it's really good, I read one of his plays and it was okay. You can read the first couple pages and see what's up

[Anonymous No.18028340]

>>18016741
Anything from here?

[Anonymous No.18028355]

>>18028340
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominican_Republic#Literature

[Anonymous No.18028893]

>>18024270
old enough to get dicked

[Anonymous No.18029101]

>>18018664
>it's more evident, from what I've read, is 19th century Argentinian lit
Which books?
>>18018664
>A youtuber I enjoy described it as reality with an assonant tone.
Which youtuber?

[Anonymous No.18029139]

>>18021007
la de gredos es la canónica, buscate esa

[Anonymous No.18029147]

>>18021321
FUCK JORGE AMADO
FUCK JORGE AMADO

[Anonymous No.18029162]

>>18022515
>It's easier for me to make a name for myself if there are few good writers.
uhhhh anon

[Anonymous No.18029285]

What are the newest latin classics?

I want to read something great from the XXI century, not 1960. Just personal preference.

[Anonymous No.18029314]

>>18029285
Needs the completed Deltora Quest belt.

[Anonymous No.18029345]

>>18029285
Latin hasn't been spoken outside of the Church for a long time; why are you looking for Latin classics in an Iberoamerican thread?

[Anonymous No.18029512]

>>18028340
I think Henriquez Ureña was from there, other than him and big titty ebony girls, DR has nothing else to offer

[Anonymous No.18029518]

Anons, especialmente chilenos, qué opinión tienen de Zurita?

[Anonymous No.18029531]

>>18029285
2666 by Bolaño
Sudden Death by Enrigue
The Feast of the Goat by Vargas Llosa

[Anonymous No.18029790]

>>18029162
It is.
Any ape who publishes an 800 page literary novel in my country will get at least some notoriety, while in the US people won't even notice, because Vollman, Joshua Cohen, or Joyce Carol Oates will probably have published another one at the same time.

[Anonymous No.18029846]

>>18021321
Jorge Amado is shit.

[Anonymous No.18029872]

>>18021321
"Tieta" should be close

[Anonymous No.18029880]

>>18029285
not exactly a classic, but I enjoyed The Dream of the Celt very much

[Anonymous No.18030375]

>>18020285
I support you but I am Serbian and the same is needed for Serbian lit