/sffg/ - Science fiction and Fantasy general

[Anonymous No.18016683]

Death Stranding Edition
Previous Thread:>>18008250

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[Anonymous No.18016691]

first for zyzz

[Anonymous No.18016693]

2nd for Fang Yuan

[Anonymous No.18016694]

>>18016683
Based anime OP, the return of the King

[Anonymous No.18016701]

Faggot anime OP is back.

[Anonymous No.18016702]

3rd for my waifu, Spinner-of-Rope!

[Anonymous No.18016705]

>>18016701
death stranding isnt anime

[Anonymous No.18016710]

should I keep reading Cradle? I like how Lindon decided to bring a jar of wasps to a martial arts competition but an immortal demon lord just respawned

[Anonymous No.18016711]

>>18016701
He has been making all generals with anime pics out of spite.

[Anonymous No.18016719]

any sci-fi that explores the possibility of actually owning a decent house?

[Anonymous No.18016723]

>>18016710
>should I keep reading Cradle?
No. Especially with how shit the latest book was.

[Anonymous No.18016724]

How would your favorite protagonist deal with an army of Centaurs?

[Anonymous No.18016725]

first for bakker

[Anonymous No.18016740]

Fuck E William Brown and fuck paywalls.

[Anonymous No.18016748]

>>18016705
It was made in japan by the otaku supreme. It's anime.

[Anonymous No.18016750]

any recommendations for homophobic fantasy/sci-fi? I really enjoyed Enders' Game.

[Anonymous No.18016755]

>>18016701
>>18016711
You guys have to be the whiniest bitches when it comes to the OP pic. To the point you have to insist it’s one person and not multiple people to cope.

[Anonymous No.18016764]

>>18016755
Die animefaggot. Your miserable life fills me with joy. I inhale the vapors of your future misery from across time.

[Anonymous No.18016768]

>>18016683
Is it vtumor? Can't tell with that stylised art.

[Anonymous No.18016775]

I haven't read TBC in years and I still think of her. I think she kicked off my thing for androgynes. Anything else with cute people going under uncertain genders?

[Anonymous No.18016779]

>>18016740
>E William Brown
He seems pretty based to me.

[Anonymous No.18016780]

>>18016174
I was hoping to generate some discussion about early fantasy and sword and sorcery, but /sffg/ has much more important things to discuss, like cuckhold pornography

[Anonymous No.18016785]

>>18016750
It was homophobic? As a guy not hung up on politics I couldn't tell.

[Anonymous No.18016786]

>>18016750
The Forever War isn't homophobic but the protagonist definitely doesn't get gay people, especially when it's his mom.

[Anonymous No.18016787]

>>18016775
Wasn't the genderbending for me but the intimidation factor. Why can't capable assertive women exist in real life? I was very disappointed when she came back as a crazy jilted lover.

[Anonymous No.18016793]

>>18016780
Your post was an informative read but there's really not much to discuss.

[Anonymous No.18016794]

>>18016785
I dunno apparently the author is a Mormon and doesn't exactly like faggots. All I know is I found his book fantastic. It comparison to The Expanse it was a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.18016860]

>>18016701
Seethe w*itoid tranny

[Anonymous No.18016864]

>>18016174
>>18016780
Have you looked into Ambrose Bierce at all? He has some "weird" fiction with a frontier feel, hazy borders at the edge of the known world leading to liminal/liminoid creatures and experiences kind of thing.

I think you might underrate HPL's occult influences. I don't know if Joshi's book(s) on him would clear anything up there, haven't read them. But at least through Machen and others, he certainly had indirect influence from the hardcore (not merely incidental) occult.

A.E. Waite was associated with the Golden Dawn, as were Algernon Blackwood and Arthur Machen (both Englishmen but still well read by HPL milieu). The occult themes in their literary writings are far more than incidental or fanciful. I'm not sure if William Hope Hodgson had direct occult/theosophical influences himself, but he was a major influence on Clark Ashton Smith (who knew HPL+Howard) and he was himself influenced by Blackwood.

America has a subaltern spiritualist/occultist tradition for sure. There was a lot of weird shit going on in the 19th century. See: William James' father's Swedenborgianism, still active mid-century, and deeply connected with the American Transcendentalists. There's another debt that's rarely acknowledged.. I think Manent has a good book on them if you're digging.

But aside from the mainline stuff like Transcendentalism and major occultists, there was just a lot of "para-mainstream" religiosity in the US. Christian Science, backwoods Christian cults, etc.

[Anonymous No.18016870]

>>18016860
Arknights!

[Anonymous No.18016872]

>check goodreads recs
>it's all black people and women
why? are these recs paid? favors to friends, or do people actually read these?

[Anonymous No.18016874]

>>18016872
what do you have against black people and women?

[Anonymous No.18016880]

>>18016779
based. Might have to read him

[Anonymous No.18016892]

>>18016779
what did he write?

[Anonymous No.18016893]

>>18016874
Not him but they're both whiny and only write about themselves and their own surface-level social problems. They are incels of race and gender, the sources of their own problems.

[Anonymous No.18016937]

>>18016872
The recommendations you get depends on where you look for them. Places like Goodreads and Reddit will only recommend female or minority authors and genuinely get mad if you recommend a white male author.

[Anonymous No.18016944]

any fantasy that has magical cats?

[Anonymous No.18016951]

>>18016764

[Anonymous No.18016983]

>>18016892
look him up if you want
a bit too smutty for my tastes but it was alright otherwise, liked the base building bits

[Anonymous No.18017007]

>>18016951
whats the sauce on the bathroom meme? I dont watch tv but I see that image all the time

[Anonymous No.18017021]

>>18017007
The Shining, search for "axe door shining" on youtube or something

[Anonymous No.18017026]

>>18017021
you might be a fuckin' retard mate

[Anonymous No.18017035]

>>18016983
>a bit too smutty for my tastes
Anon, we are all anonymous men here, you don't have to lie
Mara best girl btw

[Anonymous No.18017036]

>>18016892
Isekai smut set in the opening days of ragnarok

[Anonymous No.18017037]

>>18016864
You make a good point about that occultism and hyper-religiosity in America; Not only the weird new-age movements, but the Christian cults as well–you see elements of this in some Southern Gothic works, like in some of Flannery O'Connor's books. I thought it was an interesting connection until I realized that Southern Gothic is just a mutation of the Gothic genre that inspired Lovecraft, so a connection between Lovecraft and O'Connor's work isn't that surprising in hindsight (True Detective did this quite well–hell, in the original Call of Cthulhu story, that whole part where they find the cultists dancing and chanting in the dark takes place in New Orleans, and I'm pretty sure it directly mentioned a theosophist colony too).

I have read some Ambrose Bierce, but from my understanding he wasn't really direct influence on Lovecraft–he influenced Robert W. Chambers who influenced Lovecraft more directly. His short stories are very much in that 'weird American' tradition. I also knew that Blackwood and Machen were directly involved in the occult and directly influenced Lovecraft and Smith's work

I kind of want to make a mind-map of all these authors and the different connections and influences they had on each other; does something like this already exist?

[Anonymous No.18017039]

>>18017026
>>18017026
Oh kek I didn't see the thumbnail, to be fair the Shining scene is actually a bathroom scene too and gets posted a lot as a meme format. Don't know the tranny one though.

[Anonymous No.18017042]

>>18017007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNwVrWGQneg

[Anonymous No.18017049]

What does /sffg/ think of CJ Cherryh and her Alliance-Union universe? I am thinking of picking it up.

[Anonymous No.18017050]

>>18017042
They really missed the mark with this one because it's just too fucking funny. That actor holding the door did a tremendous job.

[Anonymous No.18017053]

>>18017042
wow that scene was so well shot I thought it was an actual show

[Anonymous No.18017068]

>>18017042
Webm if anyone wants

>>18017037
Can you explain the gothic to me in a nutshell? Honestly I could probably bullshit my way through pretending I know what it is, but I've never really known its core in the way I could (e.g.) give someone the "gist" of symbolism/romanticism or something like that. In an uneven way obviously, but still at least feeling confident I have a grasp on its core.

What did you think of the movie The Witch, if you saw it?

>mind map
Also wanted to do this for related things, more focused on English ghost stories and occultism though.. My fascination is with how so many horror story authors gave such thick phenomenological accounts of occult experience. You'd think it would be a slow evolution of the gothic (again saying it as if I know what it is) toward the philosophically "thick" occult ghost story, but ghost stuff is extremely precocious in my opinion.

I wonder if emailing Joshi or that other fucking guy whose name I can't remember would be a good idea. If something like that exists, they have it or it's in one of their books.

[Anonymous No.18017073]

>>18017050
I don't know how you can watch the ad without siding with the guy doing that fucking face.

[Anonymous No.18017080]

>>18016944
Abhorsen Trilogy
Dungeon Crawler Carl

[Anonymous No.18017098]

>>18017035
I just masturbate when I'm horny. I would very much prefer more base building than all those sex scenes.
To each their own.

[Anonymous No.18017120]

>>18017068
Do you got the webm or gif where the exclamation mark pops up above his head like in MGS? Shit makes me laugh every time but I've never saved it...

[Anonymous No.18017168]

>>18017120
What the fuck, somehow I do. I don't even remember saving it.

[Anonymous No.18017184]

>>18017168
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.18017208]

>>18016944
art of the adept has one of the best cats but like >>18017080 suggested, it ain't no mogget

[Anonymous No.18017262]

>>18017208
thanks anon I will put these in a notepad and never read them because i'm too busy shitposting on 4chan and jerking off to hentai on cooldown

[Anonymous No.18017419]

>>18017068
>Can you explain the gothic to me in a nutshell?
It's kind of hard to explain; some common themes are deeply disturbed or grotesque characters (Flannery O'Connor infamously said that, what northerners call "grotesque" is "realistic" to southerners, and I'm inclined to agree with her. Source: live in the South), haunting, desolate, menacing landscapes (often old castles or manors in classic gothic fiction, or old southern plantations or ghettos in southern gothic fiction), and the stories often have to do with murder, and romance/mad love, or ghosts and demons if they're more supernatural. That's the best description I could give off the top of my head.

No I haven't see The Witch unfortunately

>I wonder if emailing Joshi or that other fucking guy whose name I can't remember would be a good idea.
He's not like a huge celebrity and he doesn't seem to be doing anything lately, so emailing him might be worth a shot

I started a mindmap, still have to fill in the occultists and ghost stories for Lovecraft and so far I have nothing on CAS, feel free to give me stuff to add.

The yellow lines represent "influence" and the blue lines represent "creations" so for example, REH created Conan the Barbarian, Cormac McCarthy created Blood Meridian, Blood Meridian influenced Joe Abercrombie, and so on

[Anonymous No.18017423]

I've been reading this, just finished The Death of Doctor Island. I wish I was smart enough to actually think things about what I read, let alone articulate them, beyond "yeah it was good." Anyway the basis of my reaction is
>we live in a society
>they did my boy dirty

[Anonymous No.18017428]

>>18017419
fuck, forgot the actual picture

should also mention that the Squares are authors, the clouds are ideas/themes, and the ovals are books or series

[Anonymous No.18017462]

>>18016683
What happened to the Hugos? When did they lost the way?

[Anonymous No.18017511]

>>18017462
>]
when they started caring more for ideology than the quality of the work, you are a decade late at the very least, they have been shit fort a long ass time.

[Anonymous No.18017517]

>>18017428
this is getting out of hand

also light yellow represents "slight influence/acknowledgement" and green represents relationships

[Anonymous No.18017647]

>>18017511
Is there any alternative for people who want to write short speculative fiction? Has anything not been ruined by grievance culture bullshit?

>>18017517
>>18017428
Now this is the kind of autism I support

>>18017419
Ah okay I think I get it a bit more, the grotesque/realist thing makes a lot of sense to me, I can kind of connect that with what I know of romanticism and its deliberate ambivalence about liberating the particular/exceptional and subjective elements.

There seems to be a bit of resonance with romanticism's love of ruins and "wild" landscapes, but am I right in saying that romanticism would be more "optimistic" about uncovering the underlying ideal (say, of the lost world represented by the ruins), while the gothic would be more focused on what is inhospitable or indifferent to humanity? So the romantic would be more focused on the grandeur, the sudden consciousness of being part of (this is how Colin Wilson describes romantic consciousness) a massive "web of significance," whereas the gothic would be more a reminder that we exist in spite of and in the dirty margins of the world? I should read some gothic shit properly either way.

You should definitely check out The Witch if you get a chance, I was really impressed by it.

[Anonymous No.18017741]

>>18017462
Fags took over just like they take over everything. And by fags I mean white Jewesses with their pet niggers.

[Anonymous No.18017935]

So, getting into Moorcock. Should I read the original Elric short stories and novellas and then the original 1965 Stormbringer, or should I read it in the 70s chronological order starting with 'Elric of Melniboné'?

[Anonymous No.18018007]

So, after I added Lord Dunsany's influnences to the chart, it became damn near unreadable, so I decided to start over and group the writers by their life-spans. This is much cleaner and gives some interesting insights but I still have to add their works, influences, friendships, genres, etc.

I can't decide how I should group them from top to bottom, any suggestions?

[Anonymous No.18018084]

>>18017935
Chronological. Start with Elric of Melniboné.

[Anonymous No.18018107]

>>18018084
Alright. Then I guess I should move on to Hawkmoon and then Corum? I wish there was some solid guide on how to navigate his stuff, it's seriously overwhelming.

[Anonymous No.18018163]

progress update

[Anonymous No.18018250]

>>18018163
Don't forget Les Rois Maudits's influence on GRRM

[Anonymous No.18018275]

>>18018163
Where's Bakker!?

[Anonymous No.18018305]

>>18018163
lovecraft -> RE Howard

[Anonymous No.18018344]

>>18017042
>black and jewish women protect transwomen from evil white men
Based.

[Anonymous No.18018370]

Disaster has struck: this piece of shit program I'm using limits the amount of objects you can place on the chart with a free account

until I find another program to use, here's the chart for now

[Anonymous No.18018381]

>>18017462
>get a gander at this girl's youtube videos
>millions of fucking views
fuck my liiiife

[Anonymous No.18018393]

>>18018381
blame /tv/

[Anonymous No.18018401]

>>18018381
>jenny nicholson
Don't feel too bad, she's currently getting cancelled by her SJW "friends" for comparing a Disney movie to Avatar, because they've decided she's racist against Asians. She also got impregnated by a pooinloo in college and got an abortion. And she's an alcoholic.

[Anonymous No.18018446]

/sffg/, would this idea seem too sily?

The villain of my novel is already a cross between a wendigo, general grevious, and that early draft of elsa where she had a coat of living mice. now im thinking of making his sword a broad-bladed zilfiquar that emits noxious miasmas (in other words, a big stinky cheese knife for the giant rat man)

[Anonymous No.18018492]

>>18018401
I think the abortion pig is the other one, Ellis. This one is the fetal alcohol syndrome one.

[Anonymous No.18018504]

>>18018492
You're right, I got them mixed up when I made my sperg post.

[Anonymous No.18018598]

What's your favourite chapter in A Song of Ice and Fire? I think mine is where The Hound is judged by Berric and The Brotherhood without Banners or maybe where Aegon's men swear fealty to him in Dance.

[Anonymous No.18018740]

>>18016725
To be fair, if I were a woman I would like to get impregnated by superhero Jesus too.

[Anonymous No.18018784]

>>18016755
>>18016860
It's cute that you tranny manchildren think is about styles of cartoons. Cartoons are for children pedo. tranime isn't produced anything of artistic merit close to that of literature.

[Anonymous No.18018860]

>>18018107
I disagree with anybody that says read Elric chronologically. Everything written after the original short stories is written with the weight of Elric's destiny in mind. You are supposed to know what he does and what happens to him and feel that hanging over the story.

I also recommend just throwing yourself into whatever Moorcock you can find. It's fun getting lost in the huge tangle of his work.

With all that said, if you really need a reading order, you can always go by what is in the White Wolf Eternal Champion omnibuses.

[Anonymous No.18018886]

>>18016951
nice pic coming from an weebtranny

[Anonymous No.18018894]

>>18016860
acting too uppity shitskin subhuman

[Anonymous No.18019032]

Talk about books or fuck off back to twitter retards.

[Anonymous No.18019047]

>>18019032
Honestly. this, I don't know why that anti-anime guy has to shit up the thread. All I want to talk about if there's any other book similar to the King in Yellow

[Anonymous No.18019594]

>>18019047
>All I want to talk about if there's any other book similar to the King in Yellow

[Anonymous No.18019599]

The shops opened back up so I went out, and I found three David Gemmell novels. None of them are Legend. Do I want to start with Morningstar, Knights of Dark Renown, or Stormrider (which has a Legolas knock-off on the cover)?

[Anonymous No.18019643]

>>18018007
>>18018163
This is a great bit of content you're coming up with, though I have to say in my opinion the greatest influence that Dunsany, Blackwood and Bierce had on Lovecraft was showing him how to write horror.
Intellectually Lovecraft is a direct child of Poe, especially in his early stories, and modern science, which was the very center of his worldview. I don't think that you can argue that he was influenced by Theosophy beyond recognising the influence of Theosophy on fantasy by helping to popularise "Lost World" narratives like Lemuria and Atlantis.
The coincidences are there because Theosophy was a "new age" religion that combined "ancient wisdom" with what was then "modern science."

[Anonymous No.18019657]

>>18016683
What the fuck does this pic have to do with science fiction and fantasy literature?

[Anonymous No.18019697]

>>18019643
>I don't think that you can argue that he was influenced by Theosophy beyond recognising the influence of Theosophy on fantasy by helping to popularise "Lost World" narratives like Lemuria and Atlantis.
Good point; this is definitely another thread I want to continue researching.

Honestly, this discussion (even though only maybe three other anons have contributed) is the best we've had here since the Bakker theories–I didn't understand what the hell any of them were talking about, but at least it seemed like actual *discussion about books* which is honestly all I want

[Anonymous No.18019698]

>>18017462
Around the late 80s early 90s.
More or less when women started being pushed regardless of quality.
>>18017741
Both really. Buzz is if you try to get an in at TOR you either got to pander to faghags or actual fags and either way you better spread your asscheeks and writing open for minority politics.

[Anonymous No.18019708]

>>18019697
This general is dead to be completely honest, it's just wannabe personalities and shitty memes.

[Anonymous No.18019724]

>>18017647
>Is there any alternative for people who want to write short speculative fiction? Has anything not been ruined by grievance culture bullshit?
Ignoring awards and the big publishers and self-publishing everything. Publishers only want trilogies or more anyway, short stories are only allowed for already succesful authors and political trash like the Hugo award nominee who made some story about her being a dinosaur and crushing the patriarchy.
On the bright side there's very little a publisher can offer you nowadays besides cash up-front and possibly a shitty book signing tour if you live in the US. Even people like Brandon Sanderson who shill them in his lectures admit this.

[Anonymous No.18019741]

>>18019724
The problem with self-publishing is that it carries certain connotations that make people want to check out your book less, and you have to do a whole lot more shilling.

When I eventually self-publish, I'm going to buy a 4chan ad and shill here

[Anonymous No.18019747]

>>18019697
>>18019708
>This general is dead
That's true for the western fantasy and scifi scene so it's not that surprising.
You have to really dig to find something worth even reading now and half the time it's ripping off asian stuff so why not read the originals at that point.

[Anonymous No.18019759]

>>18019741
Well yeah you have to market yourself regardless.
The only thing the big publishers will net you in that respect is shelf space and even that's questionable now with all the online shopping.

[Anonymous No.18019761]

Who is the Harold Bloom of the fantasy genre? Someone who has read a metric shit-ton of fantasy and developed some kind of theory or canon

[Anonymous No.18019796]

>>18019761
There isn't a dilettante anyone would give time of day to thankfully or i'm sure most of us would spend a lot of time raging about their retarded takes.
The closest you get to anything approaching a "canon" people even know of is Gary Gygax throwing in a reading list in AD&D dubbed Appendix N with lots of pulp fantasy from the 1910s through the 1970s of surprisingly high quality. (it's also missing superb authors like CAS obviously)

[Anonymous No.18019806]

>>18019747
We're still discussing classics of sci-fi that are reaching their hundredth anniversaries, nobody cares about your generic Jap garbage that's made for the garbage pile.

[Anonymous No.18019814]

Someone upload the new Mage Errant.

[Anonymous No.18019858]

>>18019806
>We're still discussing classics of sci-fi that are reaching their hundredth anniversaries
Yeah, and that's all good. But they're not being made anymore is the problem.
>nobody cares about your generic Jap garbage
Meanwhile the actual recent releases ape them to a tee except often faggier. Sanderson practically jerks it to braindead shounen battles and several authors like Wight is writing stories with straight-up chink power systems.

[Anonymous No.18019911]

Can someone recommend me some chinese sf/f worth reading besides trisolaris?

[Anonymous No.18019943]

>>18019911
coco ch. 桐生ココ

[Anonymous No.18019947]

>>18019858
>Meanwhile the actual recent releases ape them to a tee except often faggier.
You don't even read fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18019954]

Recommend me a book where a human bangs an alien and doesn't regret it. In lieu of aliens I will also accept sufficiently non-human fantasy creatures.

[Anonymous No.18020043]

>>18019954
The Steel Remains by Morgan
The False Sun by Bakker

[Anonymous No.18020658]

>>18018370
wolfe is incomplete without jack vance who was in turn influenced by clark ashton smith

[Anonymous No.18020669]

>>18019594
Ina is the only good vtuber. Her design is clearly of Lovecraftian origin.

[Anonymous No.18020723]

>>18020669
All the Hololive Myth are good.

[Anonymous No.18020764]

>>18020723
That’s true. Wished they received more love.

[Anonymous No.18020876]

Been on an xcom kick lately and want a book that explores the idea that the alien invaders are actually the good guys? They're here to fix humanity even if they have to drag it kicking and screaming into progress.

[Anonymous No.18021029]

>>18020876
Refer to >>18019594

[Anonymous No.18021063]

>>18021029
The King in Yellow? I thought that was more lovecraftian horror than sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.18021094]

>>18019698
>Around the late 80s early 90s.
Nah. There were always female Hugo winners and you'll even notice it was the same few women. Problem is nowadays you have to be a black woman to win and it's comically obvious.

[Anonymous No.18021106]

>>18016683
I realize Cook is best known for the Black Company, but how was his SF outing?

[Anonymous No.18021160]

>>18021063
Hahaha good inauff.

[Anonymous No.18021187]

>Let me tell you about the books I'll NEVER read because I don't like the authors for some imaginary reasons.

[Anonymous No.18021356]

>>18019761
Tolkein has some theory, did some lectures on what he called "fairy stories" that lays out a lot of the roots of early modern fantasy.

[Anonymous No.18021756]

https://youtu.be/AwsqqAM9Zx4?t=1195
>recommends Book of the New Sun
>doesn't understand what the story is about
I swear this applies to most people here.

[Anonymous No.18021853]

Why is Neal Stephenson such a despicable author. I'm reading Seveneves and expect objective hard-sifi, but what I get is POC girl power trannyfest. It's like he attaches this subtext in every paragraph.

[Anonymous No.18021981]

>>18021853
Explain trannyfest. I've read it and I don't remember any tranny.

[Anonymous No.18021988]

>>18021981
All the androgynous behavior and especially the female "characters"

[Anonymous No.18022019]

Has anyone read House of Leaves here? I'm exactly halfway right after the part with reversed handwriting and a few sentences per page and I just want to know when it's going to be scary.
It's not a bad book, Johnny Truant is the best depiction of typical Anon, but many people told me that it will scare the shit out of me.

[Anonymous No.18022033]

>>18016860
you know you can like anime and not like vtuber simp trash, right

[Anonymous No.18022153]

so have they posthumously cancelled tolkien yet?

[Anonymous No.18022205]

>>18021988
is everything except Gor a trannyfest to you

[Anonymous No.18022231]

>>18021187
>make a mistake and watch some booktuber content
>it's them bragging about the stack of books they've read that month
what's the point?

[Anonymous No.18022279]

sanderson is a hack

[Anonymous No.18022490]

>>18021187
rf

[Anonymous No.18022508]

>>18018393
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJcbNZlc5Lk

[Anonymous No.18022567]

sanderson is the best fantasy author since jordan

[Anonymous No.18022616]

>>18022567
Is this why fantasy is only read by fags and women?

[Anonymous No.18022633]

>>18021106
I liked his noir, although that was still fantasy. I think he's a perfectly capable author, I doubt anything he's written could be much worse than anything else you could be reading that's not in the popular /sffg/ books.

[Anonymous No.18022690]

>>18018598
It's been too long so I can't name single chapters but Jaime's journey through the Riverlands (AFFC or ADWD?) was my favourite part.

[Anonymous No.18022702]

>>18019858
Name some influential asian sci-fi pease? Have read Cixin Liu but that's it.

[Anonymous No.18022737]

Why do so many lefties talk about scifi and space opera being full of right wing fascism etc etc, yet I bust my ass and I can't find anything that isnt tooting the WAR BAD HUMANS BAD ALIEN SAVAGES GOOD horn?
I have to go all the way back to the 1950s to find anything remotely right wing.

[Anonymous No.18022768]

>>18022737
Because they're utterly dishonest with their opinions. Not to mention haven't actually read any of those books due to their own biases against them.

[Anonymous No.18022774]

>>18022737
Because these books aren't really racist or fascist, these lefties just don't like these books (or haven't read them) and they're too stupid to express normal opinion.

[Anonymous No.18022810]

Check out Hugo nominations. Some stupid bitch got nominated for text called 'George R.R. Martin Can Fuck Off Into the Sun'. I don't like this lazy fatso that much, but his only 'fault' was that he mispronounced a few foreign names and he mentioned some golden age author, who was of course a racist according to author of this acrticle. It got fucking nomination. What a retard world we live in.

[Anonymous No.18022965]

>>18022633
>I doubt anything he's written could be much worse than anything else you could be reading that's not in the popular /sffg/ books.
Why must you fucks only ever deliver backhanded compliments? How deep has the hipster rot set?

[Anonymous No.18023054]

>>18022965
The thing is that he is not great, not by any measure, but he is much better than most of the garbage that has been published recently. This is not a "hipster mindset" but an accurate view of the state of fiction these days,.

[Anonymous No.18023076]

>>18020876
Dawn by Octavia Butler (debatably)
>>18021029
???
>>18021160
?????

[Anonymous No.18023232]

In a thread a day or two ago, an anon posted a page from The Name of the Wind and another anon said that the writing was so feminine a woman might as well written it. I wonder if that is why it is one of reddit's favorite books?

Who's the best fantasy/sf writer in your opinion? Not necessarily character-wise or plot wise, but prose-wise

[Anonymous No.18023267]

Just started pic related this morning, it's my first Saberhagen book, it's really good already

[Anonymous No.18023358]

>>18023232
>I wonder if that is why it is one of reddit's favorite books?
Because they lick the boots of any popular author and considering Rothfuss hasn't wrote a book in over a decade, he's the definition of pop-author.

[Anonymous No.18023382]

>>18023358

[Anonymous No.18023417]

>>18023358
I'm very interested in the role of prose in speculative fiction, and I want to read some modern fantasy books and try to see if there's a general style that has become commonplace, and I want to compare it to older books (mostly 1930s-onwards) and see what has changed. Obviously different writers are effected and imitate their favorite writers, but I'm interested to see who Rothfuss' influences are.

[Anonymous No.18023424]

>>18023382
yeah in the first book the main character is a big simp

[Anonymous No.18023462]

>>18023358
>>18023417
After doing some searching on Reddit, it seems the biggest influences on his writing are Earthsea (written by a woman, which makes sense) and several well-known fantasy children's books (Narnia, Dragonriders, Princess Bride, etc), and then more basic stuff like George Orwell and Kurt Vonnegut

[Anonymous No.18023475]

>>18023462
not too surprising, this is what I found:
https://www.reddit.com/r/KingkillerChronicle/comments/9r3awj/are_there_other_stories_that_pat_might_be/
>The Last Unicorn was a big influence, especially on Auri. Cyrano de Bergerac essentially created the plot. He's especially fond of the Brian Hooker translation.

>The Memoirs of Casanova actually played a part, as did Umberto Eco's Island of the Day Before.

>He's also cited Gwendolyn Brooks, Garrison Keillor, Chaucer, and Robert Frost as influences, and there's stuff from Neil Gaiman.

>Oh, and Earthsea, of course.

[Anonymous No.18023582]

I really liked Beware Of Chicken. Do you know any other 'slice of life style' cultivation stories that aren't about constant fights?

[Anonymous No.18023721]

>>18019032
>>18019047
>>18020669
vtranny subhumans will be gassed with faggot OP

[Anonymous No.18023731]

>>18019747
lmao your eastern faggots have not made anything original you subhuman. Your fantasy or sci-fi does not even compare to western dipshit.

[Anonymous No.18023780]

>>18023582
Only slice of life story I know is The Wandering Inn, but it's not exactly cultivation.

[Anonymous No.18023853]

Opinions on the theory that fantasy as a genre is ideological inoculation against bureaucratic capitalism?

[Anonymous No.18023893]

Stop being so elitist. A book isn't "reddit".

[Anonymous No.18023894]

>>18023853
>Secret Joys of Bureaucracy

Yikes.

[Anonymous No.18023908]

>>18023853
looks like something a wookiepedia editor would read

[Anonymous No.18023922]

>>18023894
That’s the joke. People used to like the German post office.
>>18023908
Those people read books that aren’t EU?

[Anonymous No.18023924]

>>18023232
>feminine writing
What does that mean?

[Anonymous No.18023933]

>>18023924
Dumb esl.

[Anonymous No.18023972]

>>18023924
whatever this is

[Anonymous No.18024005]

>>18023972
What the fuck am I reading? Is that printed Hibike Euphonium fan fiction?

[Anonymous No.18024061]

>>18023972
is this Sapphic porn

[Anonymous No.18024071]

>>18024005
excuse the twitch memes I didnt have the original episode on hand but its this scene except in the novel.

[Anonymous No.18024091]

>>18022702
nayrt but out of the web novelists I like Er Gen, Fang Xiang, I Eat Tomatoes, Cuttlefish that Loves Diving, Fengling Tianxia, Chocolion and Huangfu Qi.
If you only want influential in the normalfag award-winning sense then Jin Yong.

[Anonymous No.18024098]

>>18024071
No fucking way. I dropped the show because I heard it was just yuri bait and they aren't actually canonically romantically connected. Did I make a mistake? That reads weirdly appealing too, the smut you see on 4chan is usually gross and ugly. This is impressionistic in the way I experience the world.

>>18024061
>Sapphic
Only troons use this word.

[Anonymous No.18024165]

>>18024098
>I heard it was just yuri bait and they aren't actually canonically romantically connected
it was still yuribait in the end (both end with male love interests) but stuff like this just kept ramping up throughout the series, was really weird.

Its also lewder in the novels than the anime cause its the female author prose vs male anime director. Author is most likely a closeted lesbian.

[Anonymous No.18024180]

>>18024165
Interesting, thanks for elaborating.

[Anonymous No.18024208]

Recommend me some wholesome family-friendly /sffg/ with happy endings

[Anonymous No.18024404]

>>18024180
I guess the authors intention was showing "friendships" that are deeper and longer lasting than romances but it just makes shit confusing yknow.

[Anonymous No.18024513]

>>18024404
Class s style? But then it's weird to be so physical. I mean there's friendly skinship and then there's going into sensual detail about how your friend's body feels and responds to your touch.

[Anonymous No.18024526]

>>18023972
What about that writing is supposedly feminine? It's about as clunky and uninspired as someone like Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.18024612]

>>18023972
>thinks he knows about prose
>posts a translation

[Anonymous No.18024993]

I don't get it. What the hell was that ending?

[Anonymous No.18024998]

What do yall think of Terry Pratchett and the Discworld series? I've burned through about 15 of them this year so far and have been enjoying myself - the satire is sometimes a bit on the nose and the Rincewind stories are the weakest of the bunch, but most of it is fun, occasionally thought-provoking, and pretty well written. Death, Granny Weatherwax, and The Watch series have all been good, but the best have been one-offs - Pyramids and Small Gods were probably the best two I've read so far.

[Anonymous No.18025028]

>>18023462
shitting on guin because rothfuss lists her as an influence is completely retarded, his cuck ways are his and his alone
she's a better writer than he'll ever be

[Anonymous No.18025046]

>>18025028
Yeah I wasn't shitting on Le Guin, I was implying that his prose probably has a feminine quality because a feminine writer is one of his biggest influences. Le Guin is a woman writer (and a good one at that) so her writing can afford to be feminine; Rothfuss on the other hand...

[Anonymous No.18025051]

>>18024998
It's pretty good so long as you can look past him being a bit overly social-preachy (and like with most authors more annoying if you know what kind of life he chose for himself) but the last few books after his alzheimers really go downhill in parts to the point that you're going to question if they were actually dictated by him and not completely ghost-written.
Still worth reading up until that point imo and the point where it gets too much will probably vary for you.
I personally managed every book except the last Science of the Disc but I know plenty of people who checked out at points where you can see they're coming from like Snuff, Unseen Academicals and even Thud which I personally liked.

[Anonymous No.18025058]

>>18025028
Guin deserves to be shat on though albeit with no relation to Rothfuss.
She just has nothing going on beyond being okay at prose as a woman.

[Anonymous No.18025072]

Is it appropriate to say that Book of the New Sun is the Ulysses of speculative fiction?

[Anonymous No.18025151]

Hugo Award nominations are in.
Best Novel
1093 votes for 441 nominees, finalist range 309-132

Black Sun, Rebecca Roanhorse (Gallery / Saga Press / Solaris)
The City We Became, N.K. Jemisin (Orbit)
Harrow The Ninth, Tamsyn Muir (Tor.com)
Network Effect, Martha Wells (Tor.com)
Piranesi, Susanna Clarke (Bloomsbury)
The Relentless Moon, Mary Robinette Kowal (Tor Books / Solaris)

[Anonymous No.18025159]

>>18025151
Best Novella
778 votes for 157 nominees, finalist range 219-124

Come Tumbling Down, Seanan McGuire (Tor.com)
The Empress of Salt and Fortune, Nghi Vo (Tor.com)
Finna, Nino Cipri (Tor.com)
Ring Shout, P. Djèlí Clark (Tor.com)
Riot Baby, Tochi Onyebuchi (Tor.com)
Upright Women Wanted, Sarah Gailey (Tor.com)

[Anonymous No.18025167]

>>18025159
Best Novelette
465 votes for 197 nominees, finalist range 108-33

“Burn, or the Episodic Life of Sam Wells as a Super”, A.T. Greenblatt (Uncanny Magazine, May/June 2020)
“Helicopter Story”, Isabel Fall (Clarkesworld, January 2020)
“The Inaccessibility of Heaven”, Aliette de Bodard (Uncanny Magazine, July/August 2020)
“Monster”, Naomi Kritzer (Clarkesworld, January 2020)
“The Pill”, Meg Elison (from Big Girl, (PM Press))
Two Truths and a Lie, Sarah Pinsker (Tor.com)

[Anonymous No.18025170]

Rate my purchase

[Anonymous No.18025173]

>>18025167
Best Short Story
586 votes for 634 nominees, finalist range 65-35

“Badass Moms in the Zombie Apocalypse”, Rae Carson (Uncanny Magazine, January/February 2020)
“A Guide for Working Breeds”, Vina Jie-Min Prasad (Made to Order: Robots and Revolution, ed. Jonathan Strahan (Solaris))
Little Free Library, Naomi Kritzer (Tor.com)
“The Mermaid Astronaut”, Yoon Ha Lee (Beneath Ceaseless Skies, February 2020)
“Metal Like Blood in the Dark”, T. Kingfisher (Uncanny Magazine, September/October 2020)
“Open House on Haunted Hill”, John Wiswell (Diabolical Plots – 2020, ed. David Steffen)

[Anonymous No.18025179]

>>18025151
that Piranesi book looks interesting

[Anonymous No.18025181]

>>18025173
Best Series
727 votes for 180 nominees, finalist range 300-87

The Daevabad Trilogy, S.A. Chakraborty (Harper Voyager)
The Interdependency, John Scalzi (Tor Books)
The Lady Astronaut Universe, Mary Robinette Kowal (Tor Books/Audible/Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction/Solaris)
The Murderbot Diaries, Martha Wells (Tor.com)
October Daye, Seanan McGuire (DAW)
The Poppy War, R.F. Kuang (Harper Voyager)

[Anonymous No.18025183]

>>18025058
>le guin
>nothing going on besides being ok at prose
The absolute state of shitposters

[Anonymous No.18025187]

>>18025181
Best Related Work
456 votes for 277 nominees, finalist range 74-31

Beowulf: A New Translation, Maria Dahvana Headley (FSG)
CoNZealand Fringe, Claire Rousseau, C, Cassie Hart, Adri Joy, Marguerite Kenner, Cheryl Morgan, Alasdair Stuart.
FIYAHCON, L.D. Lewis–Director, Brent Lambert–Senior Programming Coordinator, Iori Kusano–FIYAHCON Fringe Co-Director, Vida Cruz–FIYAHCON Fringe Co-Director, and the Incredible FIYAHCON team
“George R.R. Martin Can Fuck Off Into the Sun, Or: The 2020 Hugo Awards Ceremony (Rageblog Edition)”, Natalie Luhrs (Pretty Terrible, August 2020)
A Handful of Earth, A Handful of Sky: The World of Octavia E. Butler, Lynell George (Angel City Press)
The Last Bronycon: a fandom autopsy, Jenny Nicholson (YouTube)

[Anonymous No.18025195]

>>18025151
>the city we became made the list
I’m surprised but I really shouldn’t be. Her and the Johannas Cabal author are both scoring woke points on lovecraft while directly profiting off his name. Guess that’s what’s in now.

[Anonymous No.18025202]

>>18025187
Best Graphic Story or Comic
303 votes for 254 nominees, finalist range 43-24

DIE, Volume 2: Split the Party, written by Kieron Gillen and Stephanie Hans, letters by Clayton Cowles (Image Comics)
Ghost-Spider vol. 1: Dog Days Are Over, Author: Seanan McGuire, Artist: Takeshi Miyazawa and Rosie Kämpe (Marvel)
Invisible Kingdom, vol 2: Edge of Everything, Author: G. Willow Wilson, Artist: Christian Ward (Dark Horse Comics)
Monstress, vol. 5: Warchild, Author: Marjorie Liu, Artist: Sana Takeda (Image Comics)
Once & Future vol. 1: The King Is Undead, written by Kieron Gillen, iIllustrated by Dan Mora, colored by Tamra Bonvillain, lettered by Ed Dukeshire (BOOM! Studios)
Parable of the Sower: A Graphic Novel Adaptation, written by Octavia Butler, adapted by Damian Duffy, illustrated by John Jennings (Harry N. Abrams)

[Anonymous No.18025206]

>>18025195
Matt Ruff paved the way

[Anonymous No.18025214]

>>18025202
Best Dramatic Presentation, Long Form
574 votes for 192 nominees, finalist range 164-56

Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn), written by Christina Hodson, directed by Cathy Yan (Warner Bros.)
Eurovision Song Contest: The Story of Fire Saga, written by Will Ferrell, Andrew Steele, directed by David Dobkin (European Broadcasting Union/Netflix)
The Old Guard, written by Greg Rucka, directed by Gina Prince-Bythewood (Netflix / Skydance Media)
Palm Springs, written by Andy Siara, directed by Max Barbakow (Limelight / Sun Entertainment Culture / The Lonely Island / Culmination Productions / Neon / Hulu / Amazon Prime)
Soul, screenplay by Pete Docter, Mike Jones and Kemp Powers, directed by Pete Docter, co-directed by Kemp Powers, produced by Dana Murray (Pixar Animation Studios/ Walt Disney Pictures)
Tenet, written and directed by Christopher Nolan (Warner Bros./Syncopy)

[Anonymous No.18025219]

>>18025183
>write generic SF about gender identity praised by politicals because of claimed socialist overtones
>write a generic fantasy novel badly aping Mirrlees and Dunsany but the twist it's black people and the second twist 20 years later is that men are all bad
Even the people who like her can hardly say why beyond prose.

[Anonymous No.18025222]

>>18025214
Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form
454 votes for 321 nominees, finalist range 130-30

Doctor Who: Fugitive of the Judoon, written by Vinay Patel and Chris Chibnall, directed by Nida Manzoor (BBC)
The Expanse: Gaugamela, written by Dan Nowak, directed by Nick Gomez (Alcon Entertainment / Alcon Television Group / Amazon Studios / Hivemind / Just So)
She-Ra and the Princesses of Power: Heart (parts 1 and 2), written by Josie Campbell and Noelle Stevenson, directed by Jen Bennett and Kiki Manrique (DreamWorks Animation Television / Netflix)
The Mandalorian: Chapter 13: The Jedi, written and directed by Dave Filoni (Golem Creations / Lucasfilm / Disney+)
The Mandalorian: Chapter 16: The Rescue, written by Jon Favreau, directed by Peyton Reed (Golem Creations / Lucasfilm / Disney+)
The Good Place: Whenever You’re Ready, written and directed by Michael Schur (Fremulon / 3 Arts Entertainment / Universal Television, a division of Universal Studio Group)

[Anonymous No.18025228]

>>18025222
Best Editor, Short Form
370 votes for 162 nominees, finalist range 79-38

Neil Clarke
Ellen Datlow
C.C. Finlay
Mur Lafferty and S.B. Divya
Jonathan Strahan
Sheila Williams
Best Editor, Long Form
310 votes for 82 nominees, finalist range 83-52

Nivia Evans
Sheila E. Gilbert
Sarah Guan
Brit Hvide
Diana M. Pho
Navah Wolfe
Best Professional Artist
331 votes for 179 nominees, finalist range 91-37

Tommy Arnold
Rovina Cai
Galen Dara
Maurizio Manzieri
John Picacio
Alyssa Winans

[Anonymous No.18025230]

>>18024612
nice cope

[Anonymous No.18025245]

>>18025195
I will never understand how these people can be this petty.

[Anonymous No.18025249]

>>18025219
>>18025058
just because you will never be a woman does not mean you should be this butthurt

[Anonymous No.18025272]

>>18025249
Guin is largely beloved by tranny retards.
There's far superior women authors than Guin although obviously the modern slew of quota:d retards need not apply.

[Anonymous No.18025295]

>BotNS
>Isn't even in one book
THEY HAD ONE JOB

[Anonymous No.18025408]

>>18025151
>N.K. Jemisin
Why even pretend and go through this charade? They may as well give her the award and move on.

[Anonymous No.18025458]

>>18025058
youre correct. I read the first two books of earthsea waiting for it to get good. Boring ass series but she is still much much better than Rothfuss

[Anonymous No.18025477]

>>18024998
cringe social commentary, insufferable quirky englishman prose (would even go as far as to call it protosoi), and worst of all the plots are always BORING. Oh yeah hes also not at all funny. Ministry of silly walks is a meme but compared to his writing its hilarious. No idea why reddittors love him so much.

[Anonymous No.18025496]

>>18025272
no there are not but keep coping troon

[Anonymous No.18025497]

>>18025195
Lovecraft has been vindicated at this point.

[Anonymous No.18025505]

>>18025151
>all women
the sad puppy shit was incredibly gay but they were correct about how trash the hugos are. The solution is to just stop caring about them instead of whining though.

[Anonymous No.18025551]

>>18025195
did a woman write that?

[Anonymous No.18025580]

>>18025195
sheeeeit

[Anonymous No.18025600]

>>18025195
> N. K. Jemisin is an author living and writing in Brooklyn, NY. This is fortunate as she enjoys subways, tiny apartments, and long walks through city parks. Her short fiction has been published in a number of magazines and podcast markets, and has been nominated for the Hugo and Nebula award. Her novels have also been nominated for (collectively) the Hugo, the Nebula, the Tiptree, the Crawford, the Gemmell, the... hell, I lose track. I actually won the Locus Award for Best First Novel and the Romantic Times Reviewers' Choice Award. Yatta yatta yatta.
no comment

[Anonymous No.18025631]

>>18025496
Brackett alone shits on anything written by Guin or anyone whose ever praises Guin combined.

[Anonymous No.18025672]

>>18025170
>slavshit
It's probably trash tbqh.

[Anonymous No.18025701]

>>18025672
Why would it necessarily be trash?

[Anonymous No.18025721]

>>18025701
Slavshit is always very derivative.

[Anonymous No.18025745]

>>18025631
nice coping but not even close dilator

[Anonymous No.18025752]

>>18025721
calm down shitskin

[Anonymous No.18025754]

>>18025195
so libs hate Lovecraft because hes a racist but they still use his shit because its like stealing from the racists..?

[Anonymous No.18025766]

>>18025752
I'm Chinese and our fantasy/sci-fi is far superior to slavshit.

[Anonymous No.18025781]

>>18025766
KEK

[Anonymous No.18025786]

>>18025781
Pic is you crying from seethe.

[Anonymous No.18025788]

>>18025477
Can you recommend a funny author in scifi or fantasy?

[Anonymous No.18025797]

>>18025721
>>18025766
I like chinkshit far more than I do slavshit but throwing around derivative is a bit much.
I mean anytime something gets popular in chinese novels half of authors will reference the same thing to cash-in on the popularity, like how every infinity & system novel goes on about the T-Virus or how at one point everyone referenced D&D for fantasy worldbuilding.

[Anonymous No.18025804]

>>18025551
A black woman. And she makes damn sure that you know she is both.
I haven't bothered with her new book but this is from a review of it describing the main characters:
>NYC, a homeless young brown-skinned gay man. Manny, our cold-blooded amnesiac Manhattanite of questionable ethnicity and gay leanings. Brooklyn, Black woman, who has re-invented herself, is taking care of the family, and being a successful leader. Queen, a new generation of emigrant, making her home in a tenement, building community and being a caretaker. Bronx, an aging artistic socially conscious lesbian Native. And must we? Oh yes, we must: Staten Island, the alienated white-skinned daughter of a police officer.

[Anonymous No.18025807]

>>18025788
unironically no. There are none.

[Anonymous No.18025818]

>>18025804
what the fuck is this

[Anonymous No.18025823]

>>18025797
We have a lot of great new ideas, yes writers copy each other, but that's the case in western fantasy as well. At least half of western fantasy is some iteration on LOTR. Slavshit on the other hand has no ideas, except copying LOTR.

[Anonymous No.18025829]

>>18025818
Social Justice the book.

[Anonymous No.18025853]

>>18025823
>We have a lot of great new ideas
Not disagreeing just saying a ton of chinese novels tend towards being derivative/outright copying stuff and then spiraling off doing your own thing with that idea. Most of the D&D-inspired worlds are much better than official D&D tie-in trash for example. And even when they're ripping off some idea or even basic plot outline they make it go elsewhere.
So derivative feels like a dumb insult in the context.
Then again I can't actually recall a modern slav fantasy book that I actually like so maybe you're right. The Witcher was extremely overrated.

[Anonymous No.18025901]

>>18025766
>chink thinking he can talk about originality and quality
Go measure the height of the heavens or some shit Bijou Dong.

[Anonymous No.18025920]

I really hate that the left took over the culture.

[Anonymous No.18025927]

>>18025823
>We have a lot of great new ideas

[Anonymous No.18025941]

>>18025901
Swede actually.
They're publishing stuff that isn't aimed at the faghag crowd which is an incredible breath of fresh air and there's enough of it that if one story is turned to shit there's a ton others to choose from even among translated works.
I wish the same could be said for english works but I can hardly find new & alive authors that are even remotely appealing there anymore.

[Anonymous No.18025947]

>>18025901
>>18025941
Nevermind saw wrong and thought you were quoting me and not the chinese guy.

[Anonymous No.18025955]

>>18025920
you dont have any culture in America

[Anonymous No.18025964]

>>18025901
>>18025927
>>18025941
The facts are that "chinkshit" is far superior to any slavshit or European/US fantasy literature since you Europeans haven't moved on from Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.18025973]

>>18025964
>The facts are that "chinkshit" is far superior to any slavshit or European/US fantasy literature since you Europeans haven't moved on from Tolkien.
"To any" is a bit rich considering the pre-tolkien books still exist and the new wave that came after.
To "current" fantasy and SF would be accurate to say.

[Anonymous No.18025989]

why're you guys even arguing between chinkshit and slavshit when you're both allies?

[Anonymous No.18026013]

>>18025964
And you chinks still haven't moved past Journey to the West.

[Anonymous No.18026019]

>>18025964
Mate you are a riot. While current fantasy has been in decline for the past 20 decades the body of literature is has produced so far overshadows anything the chinks have and will likely ever write.
You tell people they "haven't moved on from Tolkien " (which is demonstrably untrue, even if said departure made fantasy) while the chinese haven't had a tolkien yet.
This is being ridiculous, and I can do nothing but laugh at you.

[Anonymous No.18026028]

>>18025989
Slavs and chink are not allies, they simply hate the USA more than each other, and even that has been changing slowly recently.

[Anonymous No.18026042]

>>18025973
Have you read any current chinkshit? It's some of the worst stuff out there. There are a few decent stories in the vast amount of trash, like LotM, but most of it is far worse than even Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.18026052]

>>18026042
>worse than Sanderson
Yeah no. Even the power fantasies tend to be better than that shitter with a few horrible exceptions.

[Anonymous No.18026062]

>>18026042
> Have you read any current chinkshit?
Tons which is why I can safely say that most of it is better than that shitter Sanderson.
Chinese novels haven’t pulled an Elantris on me yet.

[Anonymous No.18026087]

>>18026062
Not even close. Sanderson at least has some concept of pacing in his books and he doesn't have the same story arc repeat in a single story.

[Anonymous No.18026117]

>>18026087
>pacing
Actually made me laugh since that’s one of his weakest points imo. Elantris had a few pages mystery setup, the entire rest of the book be meandering bullshit, finished up by an anime battle scene.
Mistborn wasn’t much better.
Nevermind that he panders to faghag editors by his own admission and that a book without it ”shouldn’t get published”. He’s a staple of why modern fantasy turned to shit when he’s the most competent and least offensive example around.

[Anonymous No.18026139]

>>18026117
Where did I imply his pacing was good?
As I said:
>Sanderson at least has some concept of pacing
Yes, his pacing is quite poor but compared to Chinkshit he is FAR better because he "at least has some concept" of it. By contrast, the Chinese just milk their stories for as many chapters as they can.

[Anonymous No.18026155]

>>18026013
Xianxia has nothing to do with Journey to the West though, its like the complete opposite

[Anonymous No.18026169]

>>18026155
Isn't it largely inspired by the Monkey King story?

[Anonymous No.18026195]

is the stormlight archive any good

[Anonymous No.18026218]

>>18026195
No. I enjoyed the first two enough. But the third was trash and I hear the fourth is even worse.

[Anonymous No.18026229]

>>18026169
monkey king has nothing really to do with cultivation though or dbz powering up. I guess the immortal spirit peaches which are in most story but Wukong starts out basically in god mode, beats the gods up, gets bitch slapped by Buddha and then the whole journey of redemption and humility. The last part is like 99% of the story.

[Anonymous No.18026244]

>>18025786
no pic is you dilating

[Anonymous No.18026258]

>>18026229
you chink faggots have not produced any literature above shit faggot. Keep coping

[Anonymous No.18026262]

I just finished uncrowned and feel like it jumped the shark. I know wintersteel is out now. I was expecting more of the basic advancement stuff into overlord, but now the space aliens made themselves known to everyone and hijacked the tournament. I feel like a couple more books of mundane cradle stuff would have been better than making the abidan a key plot. Does wintersteel tone it down or does it just keep getting crazier?

[Anonymous No.18026271]

>>18026229
Strictly speaking the first part of the story where he leaves the mountain to go achieve immortality is related to daoist Xian.
There’s a relation but it’s obviously not that strong and has plenty of other myths that are more relevant.

[Anonymous No.18026272]

>>18025766
lmao you bugs have only produced 4 average stories faggot.

[Anonymous No.18026280]

>>18026244
>>18026258
>>18026272
Try not to samefag spam in a slow thread.

[Anonymous No.18026284]

>>18026280
try not to consume chink trash literature.

[Anonymous No.18026291]

>>18026284
Not like there’s any competition.

[Anonymous No.18026295]

>>18026291
yes there is eating shit and dilating. Consuming chinkshit is between those two.

[Anonymous No.18026302]

>>18026218
you arent missing much, its pretty much downhill after book 1

[Anonymous No.18026307]

>>18026295
No one cares about american scat and tranny fetishes. Try to keep them to /lgbtb in the future.

[Anonymous No.18026310]

>>18026307
but you do considering you consume chinkshit.

[Anonymous No.18026323]

>>18026310
Stop shitting up the thread with your inane whining you worthless mongrel. If you aren’t here to post about actual sf&f but whine about le wrong nationalities doing it fuck off.

[Anonymous No.18026330]

>>18026323
I'm just to reach the bump limit so I can make a new thread without anime.

[Anonymous No.18026334]

>>18026323
it's not like you can contribute anything better consuming chink dogshit

[Anonymous No.18026357]

>>18026334
Look you feral nigger.
No one gives two shits about your vile habits.

[Anonymous No.18026363]

>>18026357
you clearly do chinkcel. keep coping

[Anonymous No.18026365]

The anime threads always result in shitposting.

[Anonymous No.18026372]

>>18026365
how else would they bump their trash threads

[Anonymous No.18026375]

>>18026365
>Non-anime posters shitting up the thread
>Blame the victims
We know your game already .

[Anonymous No.18026381]

>>18026375
boo hoo cry me a river troon

[Anonymous No.18026391]

I miss when crossboarders didn't ruin everything they touch in their attention whoring.

[Anonymous No.18026392]

>>18026381
>He seethes due to a pic
Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.18026396]

>>18026392
pic is not an issue vtrannies are

[Anonymous No.18026401]

>>18026396
Yet, you seem to be the only shitting up the thread because of it. Just be quiet about and don't ruin the thread anymore than you already have.

[Anonymous No.18026406]

>>18026401
vtrannies already ruined the thread so keep coping

[Anonymous No.18026416]

>>18026406
Nigga it was you who ruined the thread.

[Anonymous No.18026417]

>>18026406
You do know we can read the thread right?

[Anonymous No.18026422]

>>18026416
>>18026417
yes and vtroon cancer is all over it

[Anonymous No.18026445]

>>18026391
I think we need to have a separate thread for Japanese Chinese and Korean literature, it doesn't match with what most people expect from sci-fi and fantasy when they talk bout the stuff.
And as much as the people replying to him are partially resposible, the mongoloid who decided to say "hur dur my copy paste cultivation novels are better than anything the west has produce" is to blame for this shitposting

[Anonymous No.18026478]

>>18026445
Yes, one standard Eurocentric thread and one for Asian fantasy/sci-fi.

[Anonymous No.18026479]

>>18026445
It’s not like there was much atgument the best counter-example brought up was hack sanderson a man only marginally better than hugo nominees.
I fucking hate the state of modern fantasy and sf.

[Anonymous No.18026482]

>>18026479
but even hack sanderson is better then chink dogshit

[Anonymous No.18026483]

>>18026445
He's using a scapegoat to go through his Newfag Buzzwords for Dummies checklist. It's not the only incident of rampant shitposting on /sffg/.

[Anonymous No.18026491]

>>18026478
I could live with that. Tired of talking about the same couple of pulp authors i’ve read a million times and people getting assblasted over a nip, korean or chinese novel getting namedropped.

[Anonymous No.18026553]

>>18026483
Does it trouble you?

[Anonymous No.18026587]

>all this tiresome bullshit
>retards flinging shit at each other about
What happened to the Great Thread? Bakkerlords, assemble!
All I want to talk about, or hear about from this point onward, is Ciphrang and Nihrimsûl and Bashrag and Atyersus and Auvangshei and Memgowa and the Ancient North.

[Anonymous No.18026590]

>>18026587
Truth shines!

[Anonymous No.18026595]

>>18025941
sad but true. American "culture" (and america is where most sf/f is written) or at least hte subset of culture that produces fantasy and sci fi is absolutely rotted by marvel movie quipping and anime bullshit.

[Anonymous No.18026602]

>>18026587
It's over anon.

[Anonymous No.18026604]

>>18026595
>absolutely rotted by marvel movie quipping and anime bullshit
I agree. I remember a couple months back we had whole discussions (on /tg/ primarily) about the differences between classic fantasy and modern fantasy, and "marvel/disney's influence" and "star wars" were two of the biggest factors that contributed to the degradation of fantasy to its modern state

[Anonymous No.18026645]

is Bakker the new Sanderson or is he actually a good writer?

[Anonymous No.18026708]

>>18025151
synopsis for Black Sun doesn't sound terrible, anyone read it?

[Anonymous No.18026750]

>>18024993
What's not to get? I thought it was pretty forward apart from having the same breakneck pace as the rest of the book.

[Anonymous No.18026770]

>>18026708
sounds pretty bad to me

[Anonymous No.18026787]

cute bunni

[Anonymous No.18026796]

>>18026787
Is she really cute?

[Anonymous No.18026798]

Alright, we all agree that the Hugo Awards are as worthless as the Oscar for best Animated Film, but what then is its Annecy Film Festival, its lesser known and obviously superior rival in lauding great works of fiction?

[Anonymous No.18026812]

>>18026798
>Annecy Film Festival, its lesser known and obviously superior rival in lauding great works of fiction?
Worthless.

[Anonymous No.18026824]

>>18026812
I'm unfamiliar with that award

[Anonymous No.18026835]

>>18026824
The festival is a competition between cartoon films of various techniques (animated drawings, cut-out papers, modelling clay, computer generated imagery, etc.) classified in various categories:

Feature films
Short films
Films produced for television and advertising
Student films
Films made for the internet (since 2002)

Throughout the festival, in addition to the competing films projected in various cinemas of the city, an open-air night projection is organized on Pâquier, in the centre of town, amongst the lake and with the mountains. According to the topic of the festival, classic or recent films are projected upon the giant screen. On Saturday evening, all the award winners are presented.

[Anonymous No.18026840]

>>18026835
Sounds lame and incredibly indie.

[Anonymous No.18026854]

>>18026840
It's unironically the best animation award, they pretty much only pick the best stuff. You can tell because Americans almost never win

[Anonymous No.18026885]

>>18026854
If you say so.

[Anonymous No.18026899]

New thread
>>18026894

[Anonymous No.18026903]

>>18026899
Wrong.

No anime thread here.
>>18026896
>>18026896
>>18026896

[Anonymous No.18026938]

>>18026903
>He creates a second thread when another is made before.

[Anonymous No.18026946]

>>18026708
First review on amazon is someone bitchin that it's borderline unreadable because it uses a ton on non-gendered pronouns. Gonna be a pass for me.

[Anonymous No.18026964]

>>18026796
yes

[Anonymous No.18026970]

>>18026903
Imagine being this mad

[Anonymous No.18026978]

>>18026903
absolutely based

[Anonymous No.18026998]

>>18026978
How is it based when he's shitting up the catalog?

[Anonymous No.18027005]

>>18026998
>he's shitting up the catalog?
but he is not vtranny?

[Anonymous No.18027008]

>>18027005
>getting mad over an anime pic
pathetic.

[Anonymous No.18027012]

>>18027008
>anime
vtumor is not anime you tranny freak

[Anonymous No.18027033]

>>18027012
Imagine being this mad

[Anonymous No.18027037]

>>18027033
imagine being this tranny

[Anonymous No.18027046]

>>18027037
>tranny
>tranny
>tranny
Back to >>>/v/

[Anonymous No.18027054]

>>18027046
back to
>>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.18027059]

>>18023232
vance, ca smith and john harrison

[Anonymous No.18027073]

>>18027054
cope and dilate, anon.

[Anonymous No.18027081]

>>18027073
>no-u
your retorts are as abhorrent as your bleeding wound

[Anonymous No.18027104]

>>18023780
It also has a female MC so most people here including me would never read that.

[Anonymous No.18027114]

>>18024208
Bakker

[Anonymous No.18027131]

>>18027081
Stop projecting.

[Anonymous No.18027136]

>>18027131
stop dilating subhuman

[Anonymous No.18027146]

>>18025170
I liked it.

[Anonymous No.18027169]

>>18027136
Take your own advice then.

[Anonymous No.18027172]

>>18026365
animefags are a disease
>And he is the cure.

[Anonymous No.18027176]

>>18027169
>no-u
I knew trannies had low IQ but that's pretty pathetic at this point

[Anonymous No.18027177]

>>18025721
What have you actually read? Bad translations of modern xianxia fanfiction (that's only popular in Russia not I'm other slab countries but I'm betting on are rook same)?

[Anonymous No.18027208]

>>18027176
>He says as they make a second thread.

[Anonymous No.18027213]

>>18027172
Is Bakker an alkie? He's always pictured with a beer nearby.

[Anonymous No.18027280]

>>18027208
still can't cope with being faggot I see

[Anonymous No.18027340]

>>18027280
Okay, anon, lie to yourself but not to us.

[Anonymous No.18027616]

>>18027340
coping won't save your face

[Anonymous No.18027933]

>>18025807
Cool, helpful as always /sffg/