/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18014450]

Why is 4chan of all places the best literature board online? The rest absolutely suck.

[Anonymous No.18014454]

This place sucks too

[Anonymous No.18014467]

>>18014454
of course everything online sucks
here it sucks much less

[Anonymous No.18014505]

>>18014450
Forums in general are better than aggregate reviews site since the focus is on the discussion rather than signalling your credentials by increasing a score or making punchy memeable reviews to share with your followers
Why this forum would be better than all other places I wouldn't know

[Anonymous No.18014523]

>>18014450
Because we're all a bunch of losers who hate ourselves and don't give a fuck about bolstering our credentials or humble bragging

[Anonymous No.18014530]

>>18014450
Because of it's freedom and popularity. It's rule structure and crowd of people it generates is, on one hand, faggots, retards, ect. But because it allows for that instead of trying to regulate any conversation, and also because it requires no account for anyone to post, it's the freest most diverse platform for this type of talk (that I know of).

[Anonymous No.18014562]

>>18014450
Because the open internet is a failed project much like most neoliberal projects. Turns out humans are not that great.

[Anonymous No.18014586]

>>18014450
Best literature is the literature that's never discussed unfortunately, encyclopedias are some of those greatest books.

[Anonymous No.18014625]

>>18014450
Anonymity, accountability or lack thereof. A fear is deeply ingrained in the monke hidden in your brain, for a single social faux-pas could mean getting lynched by other monkes. Being Anonymous frees the monke. In worst cases the monke gets enlightened and becomes a special kind of monke, what french calls a Guenon. Guenonposting is the price to pay for the quality of this board.

[Anonymous No.18014652]

I wanted to find this book/novel I haven’t read since I was a kid. It was about this boy with a falcon who decides to live among nature and creates devices to survive (also showed pictures of what they’ve made). Book was likely from the 90’s.

Do any of you guys know what this is?

[Anonymous No.18014669]

>>18014652
My Side of the Mountain?

[Anonymous No.18014683]

Show me 1 (one) good thread on the board right now.

[Anonymous No.18014699]

It's due to how things operate here. First, it's less popular that other sites, so the effect of groupthink is much less.

Additionally, the anonymity allows us to say what we think with relatively little repercussions, so there's less incentive to conform. The only ones that have reputations are tripfags and their reputations are that they are fags.

Finally, there's no "upvotes" or "downvotes" or ways to catapult posts to "le front page :DDD". Posts that rise to the top are specifically the ones that generate the most discussion. It's not perfect, and many good threads die with 2 or 3 replies, but combined with the other aspects previously mentioned, it creates a system that tends to bring forward better content than, say, r*ddit.

[Anonymous No.18014702]

>>18014683
This one is fine unless you have retarded standards >>18001407

[Anonymous No.18014747]

>>18014669

That’s it, thanks anon

[Anonymous No.18014777]

>>18014450
Reddit is a popularity contest.
The old format message boards are for the most part dead.
On 4chan you have a collection of outcasts and wastrels: luddites, hermeticists, heresiarchs, pseuds and so forth coming together to speak their mind knowing full well they will be assayed and, like Silver in the furnace, tempered of their retardation.

It is the means-by-which.
The cauldron of collective human subconscious.

There's a reason I always sign on to this site when I see shit going down, /lit/ is merely the intellectual manifestation of that collective ethos.

[Anonymous No.18014795]

/r/books is OK
I've had a few good discussions in the comment section of YouTube too

[Anonymous No.18014810]

>>18014450
Because you can say nigger here.

[Anonymous No.18014827]

>>18014450
1. Make an account on World Literature Forum
2. Bully out the redditor woketards that infected it last year
3. You have a better place to discuss literature than /lit/.

>>18014795
nice b8 m8

[Anonymous No.18014837]

>>18014505
>>18014523
These two capture the reasons that most discussion online is awful. Karma system + usernames & ego = banal repetition.

[Anonymous No.18014839]

>>18014562
>Turns out humans are not that great
And yet you think communism is going to work.

[Anonymous No.18014852]

>>18014450
Because it's dominated by men. Unironically, most of the racism or misogyny was mainstream 50 years ago and though I think racism is disgusting, rampant sexism seems to be the only reason /lit/ has still some highbrow literature discussion.

[Anonymous No.18014853]

>>18014839
I'm a classical liberal, so no I don't

[Anonymous No.18014866]

>>18014852
>and though I think racism is disgusting
There's no such thing as racism. It's nothing more than a pejorative used against white people.

[Anonymous No.18014870]

>>18014450
because we can say nigger. it unironically makes a difference

[Anonymous No.18014873]

>>18014852
To expand on this, it seems like beyond women accounting for 10% (nothing for the general population), aesthetic taste stops being a hierarchy and becomes random: https://oneroomwithaview.com/2016/08/10/imdb-analysed-men-womens-favourite-films-differ/

[Anonymous No.18014878]

>>18014866
You're talking to a seething non-white

[Anonymous No.18014898]

>>18014853
What do you think the difference between neoliberalism and classical liberalism is?

(Also, protip if you want to integrate with normal human beings don't call yourself a classical liberal in real life)

[Anonymous No.18014908]

>>18014747
No problem, fren

[Anonymous No.18014928]

>>18014873
>there two types of film that are divisive along gender lines: low-brow, juvenile comedies and films with female leads.
What a soi interpretation.

Do these women movies look high-brow and mature?

[Anonymous No.18014967]

>>18014928
I think you misread. He's saying that all of the movies in that pic are low-brow shit, but that that sort of movie is where the gender divide is most prominent. Like men prefer one sort of low-brow shit and women prefer another sort of low-brow shit.

[Anonymous No.18014983]

>>18014928
Those 1/10 for Ghostbusters are coming from people who hated their favourite movie being into into an SJW production.

[Anonymous No.18015009]

>>18014839
I'm trans btw

[Anonymous No.18015021]

Familiarity causes people to overestimate the value of things, desu.

[Anonymous No.18015025]

>>18015021
probably this but also freedom of speach

[Anonymous No.18015029]

>>18015009
Go away freak

[Anonymous No.18015053]

>>18014450
the descruction of the old usenet/forum culture by social media.

[Anonymous No.18015111]

>>18015021
Rather the opposite

[Anonymous No.18015129]

The anonymous, non hierarchal structure of 4chan makes it possible to receive without offering anything in return. It's a completely no strings attached arrangment. This seems like it would be counterintuitive to quality, but it actually seems to make people more generous with their knowledge. That plus people here are more receptive heterodox opinions.

[Anonymous No.18015130]

>>18014898
Classical liberalism had an understanding of free speech, ethnicities, and borders

[Anonymous No.18015159]

>>18015130
An ideology doesn't have an understanding of anything. You haven't answered the question.

[Anonymous No.18015173]

>>18014450
Is it tho

[Anonymous No.18015194]

>>18014450
It isnt.
Redditors actually read books and refrain from criticising what they dont know. Off topic shitposts are discouraged, ignored and deleted. Since people are bound to an identity they have to show some restraint because they cant just write the most idiotic shit without a hit to their reputation.
Its also why everything history related in reddit actually blows /his/ out of the water.

[Anonymous No.18015213]

>>18015194
Worrying about reputations leads to dogmatic academia which is why the American university system is royally fucked.

[Anonymous No.18015219]

>>18015129
i wouldn't say that it's people being more generous with their knowledge, but it does make people more willing to engage in conversation I've always felt. In turn, it keeps out the brainlets because people quickly identify those who have just a passing interest in a thing and they are quickly shunned because they can offer NOTHING of value to the conversation and there is absolutely no incentive to participate in that conversation. (Well, there used to not be. I feel like it's gotten worse in the last 7 years or so, see /mu/)

meanwhile, open up leddit, and everything is a quick clickbait type of title and you get WOW JUST READ MY FIRST NIETZSCHE! and people will freak out about how cool it is and it ends up on the front page. Despite what most people think, low quality threads generally fall off around here because there's no point in having the same basic level conversation you can find anywhere. I hate to say reddit really ruined forum culture but all of those neat little forum pockets are more or less gone from the world anymore. Replaced with twitter, tumblr, facebook,reddit, etc. I don't know where I'd go if anonymous image boards disappeared from the internet, I really don't. This is the only place I feel I can ever be unapologetically genuine in my opinions and interests. This is also the most genuine place on the internet.

[Anonymous No.18015234]

>>18015213
I was thinking more about people not straight out disrupting the discussion by baiting and trolling with frogposts or shitting in some thoughtless one line pile of crap.

[Anonymous No.18015280]

>>18014928
Read the whole article and look at the big chart.
>>18014967
Yes this.
>>18014983
No - it's because they're shitty movies.

Movies rated promarily by men have a more objective rating than if rated primarily by women. Lit benefits from this. If you had a male only literature board, my guess is you would see a similar boon.

[Anonymous No.18015297]

>>18015194
There's an extra thing that redditors learn in whatever successful sub they frequent, no doubt. That is: what the orthodox opinion is, and they learn this by looking at controversial (dogpiled) posts. Here, every post is controversial, and you are a fag.

[Anonymous No.18015304]

>>18015009
kys

[Anonymous No.18015381]

thoughts on r/TrueLit ?

[Anonymous No.18015390]

Do we browse the same board? even decent posts are one in a thousand. Most threads are just whining about being a loser or discussionless request threads. If you post a thread that requires people to have read a book it gets 10 replies and then dies. Faggots endlessly jerk off over culture war twitter screenshots. The second you ask someone to substantiate an opinion they vanish. And despite everyone's insistence that that anonymity with no upvotes creates a utopia of honest, egoless, and diverse opinions, you will find people here are among the most conformist, posturing, (you) chasing fiends anywhere on the internet. But they think, because it's a "based" and not an upvote, because it's an opinion opposite to some other website, it's different.
At this point i can only assume the praise given itt is some battered-wife effect where people will overlook every shitty aspect of the place because sometimes they get a kiss of effort-posting after a long night of batter and rape by low-effort, no-effort twitter news article screenshot drivel. Replace "it means he actually loves me" with "it means /lit/ is actually good".

[Anonymous No.18015396]

>>18015390
based

[Anonymous No.18015405]

>>18014625
Kek

[Anonymous No.18015407]

>>18015390

[Anonymous No.18015409]

>>18015381
It's fucking shit. Populated by deadbeat faggot cunts.

>>18015390
Shut the fuck up. No one's reading this shit, you dog cunt. Never post here again, you're a subhuman piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.18015410]

>>18015159
I did but you're retarded

[Anonymous No.18015436]

>>18015390
>And despite everyone's insistence that that anonymity with no upvotes creates a utopia of honest, egoless, and diverse opinions, you will find people here are among the most conformist, posturing, (you) chasing fiends anywhere on the internet. But they think, because it's a "based" and not an upvote, because it's an opinion opposite to some other website, it's different

[Anonymous No.18015442]

>>18015381
Essentially /lit/ rejects who instead of philosophers attempt to discuss women and minority writers
I guess it's fine if you just want a sanitized version of /lit/ taste but that sounds very unappealing to me

[Anonymous No.18015564]

>>18015390
based

[Anonymous No.18015632]

>>18015409
Stay frothing mad, autist.

[Anonymous No.18015644]

>>18015632
He's right on both counts

[Anonymous No.18015646]

Confirmation bias?

Post2016-/lit/ is garbage. Half of the board isn't even related to literature

[Anonymous No.18015661]

>>18015646
/lit/ has been pretty much the same since 2012 newfag

[Anonymous No.18015670]

>>18015646
>Post2016-/lit/ is garbage. Half of the board isn't even related to literature

[Anonymous No.18015685]

>>18015646
>Confirmation bias?

[Anonymous No.18015689]

>>18015646
If the board has been garbage for 5 years, why are you still coming here, you shitbreathed, drooling retard?

[Anonymous No.18015716]

>>18014450
literature is boring as fuck so it's good to have not just interesting literary discussions, but also some retarded shit that may or may not be mildly related to literature inbetween. here anyone can say whatever they want and call you a faggot so we find the perfect balance

[Anonymous No.18015717]

>>18015689
You are here forever anon

[Anonymous No.18015737]

>>18015390
Based

[Anonymous No.18015746]

>>18014450
compare with Reddit: reddit is a bizarre social experiment that is mostly based on exploiting free labor (moderators) by offering them the opportunity to abuse power and bully strangers on the Internet. 4chan doesn’t have this idea of exploiting free labor. If it did, then 4chan would become a publicly traded corporation. So the difference between 4chan and reddit is that on one side you have high octane exploitation of free labor and on the other side you have janitors who are also exploited but who have no virtual identity. In fact, it is certainly a subject of study and literature to understand the difference between the 4chan and reddit free labor exploitation systems and why reddit produced the strange behavior that we observe on it.
My Suspicion is that for 4chan janitors are held to a substantially higher standard than Reddit moderators, and the users benefit from that gap in competence and trustworthiness.

[Anonymous No.18015762]

>>18015746
cringe. not reading that.

[Anonymous No.18015763]

>>18014454
this place is waaaaaay better than r/sorceryofthespectacle

[Anonymous No.18015766]

>>18015280
>Movies rated promarily by men have a more objective rating than if rated primarily by women
in defense of women i will say that, assuming it is true, this doesn't necessarily mean they are naturally inclined to give more arbitrary ratings. it can also be explained because of the particular situation in time they find themselves in, where historically women never rated films and just weren't present in the medium and so on and now suddenly they get into the new field which is new for them and puts pressures on them which aren't there for men. men have had all their history for their tendencies to stabilize.

[Anonymous No.18015818]

>>18015762
this desu

[Anonymous No.18015823]

>>18015766
blah blah okay retard

[Anonymous No.18015838]

>>18015670
>>18015685
you only proved anon

[Anonymous No.18015847]

>>18015766
>where historically women never rated films and just weren't present in the medium
>men have had all their history for their tendencies to stabilize.
Film in the sense of the current medium is only around a century old you fag.

[Anonymous No.18015849]

>>18015838
>implying those posts are bad
>implying those posts or similar would not have happened in pre2016
you miss the point of what makes this board good

[Anonymous No.18015864]

>>18015381
Discount /lit/ with none of the fun.

[Anonymous No.18016122]

>>18015234
That's true, but you can just learn to filter the shitposters.

[Anonymous No.18016280]

You can say nigga, nigga.

[GODCOCK No.18016311]

If rdt is a daycare center, this place is too, only with more chaos, contrarianism and about the same level of overall education, sophistry and maturity.
Honey-glazed shit, is nonetheless shit.
Nobody attempt to be better, and even if they, they are trampled by the masses of attention-seeking children.

[Anonymous No.18016349]

>>18014450
People who read books are deviants.

[Anonymous No.18016365]

>>18015849
>soijack is good and it existed before 2016
neck yourself you retarded phlegm

[Anonymous No.18016378]

>>18014450
THIS is the best online forum for literature? Look at the catalog, consider the number of repeated obsessive threads about a half-dozen meme philosophers who have funny portraits. There HAS to be an alternative, or maybe this thread can be saved? Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.18016383]

>>18014450
This place is unironically garbage. /lit/ hasn’t been good since 2016. It’s pozzed from all the redditors and zoomers. And this is coming from an oldfag who’s home board was /lit/ for years. I don’t even really come here anymore. Fuck all of you.

[Anonymous No.18016391]

>>18016378
there are two alternatives I've thought of and they are discord or twitter and both are fucking disgusting

[Anonymous No.18016405]

>>18016383
no one cares.

[Anonymous No.18016417]

>>18016391
so how can we save this board? I think there does in fact exist a consensus on what "good and bad" threads are, for instance, looking at the catalog:

threads that are obviously race bait? trash
threads that are about how ---this author/philosopher--- was the most based/genius/etc? trash


threads that include long passages about books to prompt refutation of specific ideas? good
threads about prerequisites to understand advanced works? good
threads that keep track of recommendation lists, flowcharts, etc? good, but nonexistent

have i accurately captured a consensus about thread quality? if so, the next quesiton is about how to push this board towards the latter group.

[Anonymous No.18016443]

>>18016417
Ban frog and wojack posters, /rp/ board for religion & philosophy, ban requests. So easy yet chink moot and mods won't do it.

[Anonymous No.18016462]

>>18016417
Just use the filter tools

[Anonymous No.18016474]

>>18016443
I don't see a boundary between literature, religion and philosophy. as for frogs and wojacks,

>>18016249
has neither and is, to me, a metastasized lesion on this sick board. I think real solutions include

default filters

of the kind that a behavioral economist would recommend, that can be turned off.

>>18016462
that's an approach, but there's also value to getting more and more people on productive threads. just like how trading hours in stock exchanges are limited in order to ensure high enough volume, if those posts still exist for most people then valuable thought is diluted.

[Anonymous No.18016527]

its prob because most people who say they are reading a book or creating one are horrible people who just want to get laid

lit is like worse than fine arts its the ultimate i want to get laid art

at least people on 4chan are honest about it and honestly is almost as good as beauty at being truth

[Anonymous No.18016550]

Any community that reads women/minorities/jews and takes them seriously is necessarily wrong an worthless, so that rules out all mainstream communities

[Anonymous No.18016585]

>>18016474
That's a request thread and should get pruned. The "philosophy is everything" posters are probably the worst, it's a carte blanche to talk about off-topic shit. Might as well merge /lit/, /his/, /pol/ together since all books contain history and/or politics, whether the author was aware of it or not.

[Anonymous No.18016589]

>>18016550
>says "an" instead of "and"
>leaves off punctuation
>talks about taking others seriously

[Anonymous No.18016599]

>>18014898
>Identifying with any political group irl
Bad idea, muchacho.

[Anonymous No.18016606]

Hello guys, i am looking for the website where i can read books for free (Educational Books). i saw it posted here. looking specifially for german books.

[Anonymous No.18016618]

>>18016585
my point is that I don't believe the people in charge of this board have any intention of "cleaning it up", despite a consensus about what constitutes a bad thread.

maybe if i post more threads with
1) long passages about a speicfic book (or set of books) to filter attentionspanlets
2) in those threads, never personally respond to anyone like >>18016550 or give them (you)s
3) do it consistenly enough and never reply to trash threads, this board might be helped? Idk if it's worth even trying though, maybe there does need to be active cleaning.


>>18016606
have you tried libgen? I think the current url is like 1lib (dot) us

[Anonymous No.18016708]

>tfw always have great lit times on 4chan
>tfw samefag
It's a good life.

[Anonymous No.18016791]

>>18016589
>>18016618
Seethe brainlets

[Anonymous No.18016885]

>he still didn't develop a 4chan brainfilter that skips low effort shitposts
Ngmi

[Anonymous No.18017077]

>>18014450
This place is pure and utter shit.

>70% of threads aren't related to literature
>20% are pretentious douchebags """discussing""" philosophy
>9% of threads are jezebel/tranny-posters
>1% of threads are of books that are mentioned all the time here, rehashing the same boring shit

It was better 10 years ago when you could actually find new books and get good recommendations. Might as well just burn this place down.

[Anonymous No.18017086]

>>18014523
>don't give a fuck about bolstering our credentials or humble bragging
That's like 80% of the threads here, you dimwit.

[Anonymous No.18017134]

>>18016618
I think it's terminal, despite your suggestions. All of those ask too much of the current /lit/ crowd. It might be for the best if more oldfags and people whose brains haven't been destroyed by memes left /lit/ to spend more time reading books, learning languages, engaging in a productive hobby, etc. The charts and reading lists made before the decline should keep anyone occupied for decades.

[Anonymous No.18017153]

>>18017077
I find recommendations here all the time. You don't know how to use /lit/

[Anonymous No.18017246]

>>18014853
>classical liberal
Nice cringe you got there faggot.

[Anonymous No.18017248]

>>18015407
Projection: The post

[Anonymous No.18017280]

>>18015381
it’s pretty good ngl

ignore the retards who said it’s about women and minorities. most shit in there is discussion on pynchon, moby dick, gaddis

only women ever mentioned there was lispector but she’s kino

i use the weekly rec thread and weekly reading thread. it’s good stuff. avoids the annoying politics of this board and is generally moderate leaning

[Anonymous No.18017286]

>>18014450
This is the best there is? Christ.

[Anonymous No.18017299]

>>18016618
>despite a consensus about what constitutes a bad thread
there is no such consensus. if people don't want a thread to live, they don't bump it. you are just unhappy that people in this community don't like the same things you do, and would like that everyone in the community changed their preferences towards you. that's called being a fag

and yes the best thing you can do is those 3 points, but please stop whining when it doesn't work and trying to tell people what they should do

[Anonymous No.18017374]

>>18017299
>if people don't want a thread to live, they don't bump it.
Don't really believe that, I think people are easily baited by experienced shitposters. You're right though that I shouldn't be prescribing changes to a community like this, but I do believe there is latent desire for a change here.

>>18017134
when's "before the decline"? i.e., whats the latest list here
https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki//lit/_Top_100_Lists
that should be consulted?

[Anonymous No.18017395]

>>18014450
/lit/ doesn't discuss literature at all.

[Anonymous No.18017410]

>>18014450
Lack of freedom in other places foremost. Plus it attracts the right people: Frustrated intelligent men. I don't want to talk with my normie colleagues about books and politics, I rather enjoy the dregs of society here.

>>18015390
Good points, 4chan is social media for a lot of people. In terms of public English speaking literature boards it's still better than the other somewhat known active ones. I read/find good posts every 100-300 posts. Just filter more. Don't look into threads you're not interested in/where you don't expect novel information and skip all short posts if possible. The best posts usually have at least medium length and the first two or three sentences are usually enough to find out whether it's worth reading the rest.

>>18015646
>>18016383
>Post2016-/lit/ is garbage.
>/lit/ hasn’t been good since 2016
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDrz2LGMVwA

>>18017077
>It was better 10 years ago when you could actually find new books and get good recommendations.
Maybe /lit/ has given you everything it could give? A lot is repetitive here and it's not like the recommended books have changed a lot. It isn't a good place for book discussions but you know that already.

[Anonymous No.18017411]

>>18017374
>I think people are easily baited by experienced shitposters
not so easily, and i'm sure oldfags specially are very hard to bait. but anyone can feel like purposely getting baited once in a while so it doesn't really matter. but yeah my main point was let people live, search for better places if you don't like where you are

also that it's good that this place has a balance between what you call good threads and bad threads, and that in my opinion the balance is ok right now

[Anonymous No.18017415]

>>18017153
>I find recommendations here all the time
So do I, just not good ones, which is what I was talking about. You're probably one of them fags I was talking about.

[Anonymous No.18017422]

>>18015297
There are no earnest heterodox opinions being shared on /lit/, so inasmuch as earnest posts exist at all, there remains an orthodoxy. But I suspect that the reality is that /lit/ trades purely in noise, so questions of orthodoxy are pointless.

[Anonymous No.18017446]

>>18017246
Seethe

[Anonymous No.18017472]

>>18017411
>let people live
i don't find it unethical to exert some tiny push of my own will onto this board to make it more edifying to myself.

>>18017422
no heterodox opinions? there's a popper thread dying somewhere near the bottom of the catalog, I bumped it but to no avail. idk if it's earnest though, i think that might go against the mechanisms that are effective at getting bumps and (you)s, but we can still use those threads as substrates for exploring outside topics.

[Anonymous No.18017489]

>>18014810
based

this litherally the last website where you can say it, kek.

[Anonymous No.18017895]

>>18017410
>Maybe /lit/ has given you everything it could give?
Could be, yeah. Shame, since many of my favorites are recommendations I got from here. Thankfully this isn't the best place or we'd all be screwed.

[Anonymous No.18017933]

Maybe because we discuss things related to literature, while other places tend to eventually stray because it's not profitable enough?

[Anonymous No.18018001]

>>18015407
based

[Anonymous No.18018008]

>>18017933
i want to eat that girl's ass 21 times in a week

[Anonymous No.18018016]

>>18017895
If you need more recommendations don't waste your time scrolling through shitty threads.
Just ask and/or use the archives consistently, it's not that the people that can answer your question will do so immediately. The more specific your request is the better, it works for any topic. /lit/ is still excellent for that.

[Anonymous No.18018023]

>>18018008
She wouldn't let you because it's not vegan.

[Anonymous No.18018054]

/lit/ hasn't been the best since Sunhawk left. Thoughts on this?

[Anonymous No.18018065]

>>18015763
Where is zummi now ?

[Anonymous No.18018118]

>>18015390
who said this was a utopia? yet you are here, and you are doing this.
even your comment of an analysis is a recognizable type in itself here. ive seen the type. just as my comment critiquing your critique is a type. it is no different. but its also very different, isnt it? arent you just(you) hunting right now too? You might not “””like””” it, but are you engrossed by it? you spent a few effort points typing that, and so am I. we are all dialectitions here. I am engrossed here just because its more volatile due to anonymity.

also Based.

[Anonymous No.18019663]

bump

[Anonymous No.18019886]

I think /lit/ has a bunch of sociopaths but also they can be funny at least, sometimes

[Anonymous No.18019949]

>>18015390
Maybe you should read better books

[Anonymous No.18019957]

>>18015390
HOW do I updoot this?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18019960]

>>18014450
Used to be better even.

It certainly isn’t the anonymity.

[Anonymous No.18020417]

>>18015746
He does it for free!

[Anonymous No.18020507]

>>18017280
>Unironically admits to using reddit

[Anonymous No.18020556]

>>18014523
Speak for yourself. I have a very grounded life with a loving wife and kids.

[Anonymous No.18020561]

>>18014450
Honest to god, it feels like 4chan is the only place left on the internet that is mostly frequented by sane people. Anywhere else and it doesn't even feel like I'm talking to real people.

[Anonymous No.18020582]

>>18020561
>real people
If you want to go down that rabbithole, then this place isn't likely to be exempt, either. Maybe on some boards more than others, but still.

[Anonymous No.18020696]

>>18015390
Why are people so mad at this post? I thought this was all obvious. You faggots don't actually delude yourselves into thinking this board (or even this site) is still good do you? Reee-ing at the post en-masse proves his point even.

[Anonymous No.18020728]

>>18015689
Why does the deadbeat keep coming back to the dive bar? Because I belong here you fucking faggot. Just because I'm here though doesn't mean I'm pathetic enough to trick myself into thinking this isn't a shithole.

[Anonymous No.18020761]

>>18014450
Reddit literature is actually good but gets no traffic and few posts. Reddit books has more actual discussion about books but it’s all surface level and schlock. Very anti-intellectual. Lit is a mess with very few discussions on books but they do exists albeit in low post threads. Lit is the opposite of Reddit in that is very contrarian, pretentious and snobbish

[Anonymous No.18020765]

With friends like these who needs marriage?

[Anonymous No.18020960]

>>18017933
imagine the smell of her organic shits

[Anonymous No.18021057]

>>18020960
Do women shit like men or is there something nicer about their shits because they are women

I can't imagine women producing the shits I make, evil shits. Theirs must be lighter and disappear quickly.

[Anonymous No.18021333]

>>18014450
/lit/ is just /pol/ "lite"
I'd hardly call it good

[Anonymous No.18021525]

>>18020507

:(

their top 100 list is better than ours lol

[Anonymous No.18021535]

>>18014450
What are other lit online boards?

[Anonymous No.18021758]

>>18021333
/pol/ is good

[Anonymous No.18021779]

>>18015390
go back to plebbit trannie

[Anonymous No.18022129]

there are imageboards with way better /lit/ boards than here
which is why i'm not sharing them

[Anonymous No.18022154]

>>18017489
not /lit/ related but you can also say it on Rpgcodex and a bunch of other non-gay non-video games forums

[Anonymous No.18022155]

>>18021057
evil in a different way

[Anonymous No.18022430]

>>18021333
We inform each other deeply across political divides here. /Pol/ just inflames prejudices and drops good stats

[Anonymous No.18022719]

Everyone who has posted in this thread likes it here, whether they admit it or not

[Anonymous No.18022754]

>>18017933
I'm subscribed. Should I unsubscribe? Is this the start of the downfall for her channel in terms of literature content?

[Anonymous No.18023374]

>>18014652
Does the falcon eat bacon?

[Anonymous No.18023395]

>>18014839
Communism has never been really tried.

[Anonymous No.18023446]

>>18014450
It seems so in contrast with other 4chan boards that are literal cesspools like /b or /pol.

[Anonymous No.18023624]

>>18023395
tired b8 faggot

[Anonymous No.18024950]

>>18014777
(you)

[Anonymous No.18025008]

I like it here because it's anonymous and I'm retarded, so all the retarded things I say don't follow me around forever.

[Anonymous No.18025566]

>>18014523
faggot

[Anonymous No.18025585]

>>18014450
Free, anonymous speech. A lot of the posters will here would unironically be better off on Reddit though where no one will say anything they disagree with.

[Anonymous No.18025765]

> 4chan of all places the best literature board online

that's embarrassing lmao

[Anonymous No.18025782]

>>18014450
/lit/ sucks kangaroo assholes as well.

[Anonymous No.18025903]

>>18014699
>it creates a system that tends to bring forward better content than, say, r*ddit.
Bait threads
>Finally, there's no "upvotes" or "downvotes" or ways to catapult posts to "le front page :DDD".
pic related
You can also use bait

[Anonymous No.18025969]

>>18014870
N word Jim

[Anonymous No.18026027]

>>18014699
Don't forget the cumulative effect of attracting posters who are fine with having no identity and no reward for posting other than the accolades they get for specific good posts. This gets rid of all the attention seeking faggots and weak queers who put "inclusivity" before excellence and who don't see that excellence is what gets you included in a group in the first place.

You can also see this in how 4chan interacts with meme formats. Every post that survives on 4chan is naturally selected by the group for being a novel twist or subversion on the old formula, a genuinely funny "coup" achieved by means of the formula rather than just wearing its husk. Other websites do the exact opposite, funny images are just the same format rehashed again and again, usually with signal loss rather than signal gain as retards can't even understand the full format (because there is no expectation to).

This makes retards more comfortable, which makes them more vocal, which makes excellence rare. Excelling is not only rare on a shithole like reddit, it is punished, because even if you go against the current and choose to excel among retards, you will still have to share the victor's podium with retards, and the retard audience claps and affirms you all as if you're the same. Anyone with the flame of excellence in them is offended by this even if he isn't aware of it at a conscious level.

Low standards beget lower standards. Simply by being intolerant of retards and faggots, 4chan goes in the opposite direction. Despite all the shit 4chan has been buried beneath over the years, it still has the basic ability to humble the retarded and sift for the excellent. That shows you how powerful elitism can be. This is how empires used to be founded. It's the secret weapon that the levelling pseudo-elites don't understand.

[Anonymous No.18026063]

>>18014450
There's millions of forums around the internet with actual educated adults that talk about literature with one another and you think /lit/ is suppose to be impressive?

[Anonymous No.18026068]

trueliterature is fine

[Anonymous No.18026085]

>>18014810
You're mentally 12 years old.
>>18022154
>Rpgcodex
I can tell at least 30% of the users on that site is clinically obese.

[Anonymous No.18026093]

>>18026085
You don't like racism?

[Anonymous No.18026096]

>>18026027
+1

[Anonymous No.18026099]

>>18014870
yeah it invites polfags and other mental children

[Anonymous No.18026106]

>>18026093
racism is bad chang

[Anonymous No.18026110]

>>18026093
t. adult in arrested development who still thinks South Park is funny and edgy

[Anonymous No.18026120]

>>18026063
might you direct me to just one single example?

[Anonymous No.18026124]

>>18026120
no

[Anonymous No.18026130]

>>18026110
What does South Park have to do with racism? Race differences are scientifically verifiable and the n-word is a useful term for black people misbehaving just like white trash is a useful term for white people misbehaving.

[Anonymous No.18026135]

>>18026124
didn't think so

[Anonymous No.18026137]

>>18026130
>Race differences are scientifically verifiable
that doesn't justify racism tho

[Anonymous No.18026142]

>>18026135
don't want your type

[Anonymous No.18026143]

>>18026137
Depends what you mean by racism. You didn't address the other thing I said, that the n-word is a useful and meaningful word. Some people just plain enjoy saying it. What's the big deal?

[Anonymous No.18026146]

>>18026130
There's racism and there's "Hahaha NIGGER!"

[Anonymous No.18026165]

>>18026143
>heh not true racism checkmate
you're just scared of differences likely from a sheltered upbringing.

>Some people just plain enjoy saying it.
yeah and those people are losers

[Anonymous No.18026172]

>>18026142
sure, buddy. strange that you're here when there are millions of secret, superior literature forums you could be on

[Anonymous No.18026187]

>>18026172
no, i like to laugh at morons like you

[Anonymous No.18026191]

>>18026146
The differences are pretty subtle. Some people are saying it just to exercise their free speech by showing they can. That is semantically interesting.

>>18026165
Hard to understand this post. I grew up around low income blacks and very much don't like them, I would call them n-words but I don't consider myself racist. But I know many racists who aren't losers.

[Anonymous No.18026205]

>>18026187
right

[Anonymous No.18026219]

>>18026191
that's nice

[Anonymous No.18026277]

>>18026219
Even though we disagree in almost all the details of our worldviews I'm engaging with you in good faith and you're responding in a snarky petulant way. This shows a misunderstanding on your part. The only point of being snarky or petulant is that the target wants something from you, either they want your cooperation or they value your company, so you are in a sense holding your cooperation and company hostage, trying to coerce them into being nicer or apologizing or something.

But I don't want anything from you. I am/was talking to you solely on the chance you would respond in good faith. If you don't, I don't suddenly go "this fucking random guy I've never met and will never meet!! How dare he say 'that's nice' to me! It's far more than nice!! Value what I said, random person!!" I just shrug and conclude my gamble, that you would respond in good faith too, was lost.

Same with this post. I'm sure you will not reply meaningfully (you're clearly posting from your phone very quickly to everyone who replies to you, as if this is a chatroom), and probably not even read it. But on the off chance you do read it, maybe you will learn something about why you have such a bad time on this website, and only come here to gawk at people you hate. Maybe it will percolate through your unconscious and one day you'll realize that entering enclaves of people you already disagree with just to go "nuh uh! says you!," as if they care, for a few minutes before leaving again, is meaningless.

If you want to combat racists online, being a petulant cunt in their spaces is the worst way to go about it. I am more inclined to say nigger after this exchange because it's made me remember how people like you need to be resisted.

[Anonymous No.18026281]

>>18014652
>>18014669
dope book

[Anonymous No.18026313]

>>18015219
reddit posts tend to serve the posters, meanwhile 4chan serves the general spirit of the respective boards. it's an interesting dynamic, and the type of post you cited (whoa i just read the will to power and im blown away :DD) highlights it very well.
and there's just a greater sense of camaraderie here

[Anonymous No.18026342]

>>18014450
pure, unvarnished elitism
it makes everything better

[Anonymous No.18026374]

>>18014450
4chan is full of narcissistic neets, it's shit

[Anonymous No.18026382]

>>18015381
Much better than this shithole in terms of serious discussion.

[Anonymous No.18026393]

>>18026277
>good faith
you don't know the meaning of the term

[Anonymous No.18026408]

>>18026393

[Anonymous No.18026429]

>>18026191
>I would call them n-words but I don't consider myself racist

[Anonymous No.18026438]

>>18014450
You should have posted the clown.

[Anonymous No.18026487]

>>18015390
>you will find people here are among the most conformist, posturing, (you) chasing fiends anywhere on the internet
That's a too bold of a claim. Using internet for 10 minutes on reddit or youtube will invariably reality check what you wrote.

Although I know you know this, reason why people (most of them) aren't as histrionic, is not virtue of it but because they are irl schizoid losers that have chronic loneliness and have convince themselves they dont "need" attention.

There I said it.

>At this point i can only assume the praise given itt is some battered-wife effect where people will overlook every shitty aspect of the place because sometimes they get a kiss of effort-posting after a long night of batter and rape by low-effort, no-effort twitter news article screenshot drivel. Replace "it means he actually loves me" with "it means /lit/ is actually good".
Presumption of behavioral and cognitive convergence of thousands of people. I can already detect shit with a sentence into a post. Although to think that people come here mainly for academic studies of life mysteries is laughable. People come here for simple dopamine rush like anywhere else, there fore what you describe is part of those shots. It's also why you can't leave, even if you (pretend) to hate it.

[Anonymous No.18026969]

>>18015407
he kinda proves what is being said. maybe you only see it once in 1000 posts, but you don't see this kind of honest self-analysis anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.18027198]

>>18020556
Mashallah

[Anonymous No.18027740]

>>18014450
It's still mostly garbage. Most of the people here do not have a mature sense of canonicity or any cultivated taste and just read whatever the fuck they want.

[Anonymous No.18027782]

>>18027740
Damn, imagine reading what you want to read. That's crazy

[Anonymous No.18027828]

Because women post on Reddit, and there aren’t many others places online to discuss books (maybe some Twitter networks, maybe some Facebook groups).

The problem with Reddit is that the vast majority of users don’t vote comments up or down. The ones who do are self-important and impassioned women. So this 1% are casting 99% of votes and the result is a discussion completely domineered by ugly progressive women. And who the hell cares about the views of ugly progressive women?

The best place to discuss books is probably talking to a stranger at a book store or to a stranger at a speaking event

[Anonymous No.18027939]

>>18027782
You've got to eat your spinach and broccoli, kiddo, just as you must keep lifting weights on schedule to make gains.

[Anonymous No.18027953]

>>18015646
>>18015689
/lit/ is shit, but most other places are as shit or more shit.

[Anonymous No.18027976]

>>18027939
Life's too short to slog through shit you don't want to. Unless it's shit that is absolutely essential to reading something that you do, which when is that REALLY the case. I can eat fruit and veggies, just pull the lower hanging ones from the trees all around. Still healthy and delicious

[Anonymous No.18027994]

>>18020696
Literally half the posts are "based"

Also, if you cant into the implicitly and absurdity of 4chan and you try to over intelectualize it without some of the light hearted flipancy and recognizing that you are not seperate from the whole, you probably dont "get it"

[Anonymous No.18028007]

>>18015646
It's always been shit. Guenon, Dostoevsky, Houellebecq, Bukowski, etc. The only thing that has changed since your arbitrary date is the Hispanic chauvinists.

[Anonymous No.18028311]

>>18020556
They're cheating on you

[Anonymous No.18028320]

>>18014450
yeah hahah fuck outgroup

[Anonymous No.18028329]

>>18014777
the truth revealed to you occludes the truth you dont want to actually reveal yourself

[Anonymous No.18028530]

>>18014699
been told before I misread MacLuhan, when I claim this is what he meant when he says the medium is the message. Still not convinced I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.18028596]

>>18020556
i have gf and i like it here :)

[Anonymous No.18028598]

>>18028320
ingroup > outgroup

[Anonymous No.18028699]

>>18028598
respective to who ingroup is yes this is correct

[Anonymous No.18028709]

>>18028598
this

[Anonymous No.18028718]

>>18015390
Read a book mongo

[Anonymous No.18028741]

>>18014827
World Literature Forum? The Goodreads group?

[Anonymous No.18028772]

>>18015390
Upvoted.