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Literature tangentially associated to homoerotic classical paintings? Homoeroticism is something you wouldn't necessarily associate with these circumstances, and often shed unique aesthetic light on the source material.
For example here you think about how Socrates wants to have sex.
TLDR please post effeminate men in renaissance/classical paintings.

>> No.18013266
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Here's a painting of Abraham sacrificing Isaac. In another thread a poster went to some length detailing the details that might be construed as deliberately arousing.
I am reminded of one of Mann's short stories; a Christian fanatic confronts a painting-shop owner about a lewd Madonna on display in his store. Mann's short stories are really vivid, and of course I am doubly reminded because of Death in Venice and beautiful boy therein (Aschenbach of course references Plato which ties back to our first piece).

>> No.18013271

>>18013253
Who the fuck would want to have sex with that baby boy?

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Here's Paris. There's only modest samplings of homoerotic material in epic poetry, but it's there. Consider Hercules and his squire in the Argonautica, the manner in which Suleiman avenges his page in Jerusalem Delivered, the pretty-boy soldier that steals Angelica's heart in Orlando Furioso. I'm probably forgetting some others but whatever.

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>>18013271
The painter, apparently.

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This painting depicts the rescue of the French Dauphin (I assume during the course of the 100 years war). Why he looks this way I'm not sure.

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I haven't read any of Cicero's writings on pederasty. In his retelling of the tale of the sword of Damocles he infers without judgement the desirability of beautiful boys as servants. It seems he said something about it in his Republic (on the section detailing education) but that bit has been lost. I haven't nearly read all his material so I couldn't say. If he sticks to the stoic line he'll discourage it as hedonistic like Aurelius does.
It's notable that Julian the Apostate cut back on Constantine's oriental luxury (with which boy-slave pederasty might be associated, eunuchs anyway).

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Caravaggio's paintings, obviously

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>>18013315
In Cicero's 'Nature of the Gods' he depicts the Sceptic characte Cotta as having an appreciation for handsome young men.

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I would most likely have a voluminous collection of these by now but I don't know much about visual art, I'm mainly interested in literature.
In Zibaldone Leopardi suggested that pederasty might still have been practiced in his time, but he didn't elaborate much on the subject.
Joyce used the word "bunnyboy" at least once in Finnegans Wake; what did he mean by this? (I'm not going to post an anime bunnyboy image because that would be off-topic).

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>>18013330
I think in Ulysses they discuss whether or not Shakespeare was a pederast.

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To be honest at first I just had the one Daedalus/Icarus painting saved but it was too large to upload to I went to find a smaller version of it on google images. To my surprise erotic adaptations of this theme seem to have been a genre in and of themselves.
Calasso addresses Greek pederasty quite well in his The Marriage of Cadmus and Harmony (Calasso is criminally under-discussed on this board).
Why did Goethe end Faust Pt. 2 with the devil being blinded by the erotic power of boy angels? It might've fit more with the classical segment.
I haven't read the section Paglia included in her Sexual Personae on "The Beautiful Boy as Destroyer" but it's probably great or awful.

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>> No.18013375

>>18013253
helo anyone does have super realism panting were it show full spread cock balls asshole???

>> No.18013378
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You might appreciate this anecdote from art history OP. Pic related was a forged 'classical painting' designed to trick homosexual German aestheticist and art historian Johann von Winckelmman.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3048998?seq=1

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I'm making all these literary connections because I want to make sure everyone understands this is a literature thread that should be on /lit/ and certainly not a painting thread that should be somewhere else.
I love how Fellini adapted the fragmented state of The Satyricon into a uniquely stylistic film. The actors he picked were great as well (though his Giton I've heard described as "dopey-looking").
>>18013334
It's a shame Achilles in Skyros was lost to time. Although now that you mention it, both that myth and that of Ganymede's abduction were referenced by Dante in Purgatorio. Epic poets generally overuse references to Aurora when describing sunrises; it's a trope (but tangentially related to a tangent to whatever).

>> No.18013404

>>18013370
This is beyond the pale. I remember Kierkegaard going on about fish men in Fear and Trembling; if he mentioned these paintings I cannot recall.
The paintings posted in this thread have all been great btw.

>> No.18013554

Just wanted to say I'm enjoying your posts op.

Shall remain lurking in this thread.

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>> No.18013630

>>18013266
I am interested. What is the name of the story?

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>>18013630
I think he's talking about 'Gladius Dei'

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>>18013350
st sebastian is a bit of a gay icon

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>>18013350
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This painting by Böcklin always gave me an ambiguous impression. Another painting of his, the one for which he is best known, the "Isle of the Dead", was described in a book I read as "a dream of the south and of death." Which strikes me as a very Thomas Mann sort of theme. It was extraordinarily popular in Germany, to the point that Nabokov said a print could be found "in every Berlin home". It was also reputedly a favourite of both Hitler and Stalin. This painting gives off that same melancholy Arcadian . E.M. Forster describes being enchanted by this, as well as by Böcklin's paintings of Pan, during his visit to Munich: another elemental, morbid, pagan figure. There is sort of a dark lightning virility in many of Böcklin's paintings that grinds uncomfortably against his almost kitsch reputation...

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>>18014307
... which is something he shares with Bouguereau, although they belong to very different 'antiquated' artistic traditions. Pic related is probably the most unsettling and violent of Bouguereau's paintings.

>> No.18014319

>>18013253
Literally just read Mishima. Good posts though OP.

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No thread about homoerotic art can afford to fail mentioning Il Sodoma.

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dare i say it? fucking based thread.
watch Caravaggio by Derek Jarman, it's picteresque beyond words and is slurrily surreal at parts.

>> No.18014452

>>18013379
Fun fact: he hired English actors because he didn't want Italians to play gays.

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>> No.18015292

>>18015089
This one's very beautiful.

>> No.18015336

>>18013266
>woah bro it was just a prank dood

>> No.18015339

>>18013284
Satan realizing his PP small

>> No.18015380

>>18013368
Goals

>> No.18016034
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who could forget our boy Philoctetes? (READ THE PLAY)

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seen this one in person