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In a book, highly respected author Curtis Yarvin argues that without colonization most of the African population would have been wiped out by very simple diseases and flus. Since they never would have developed modern medicine on their own or harvested the resources to trade for it, are the colonized countries of Africa in massive debt to their colonizers? Couldn't similar arguments be used to refute the calls for restitution among African Americans?

>> No.18008312
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>In a book

>> No.18008332

>>18008283
>The third thread I've seen today about how colonization was a good thing, actually

Where is this agenda coming from?

>> No.18008368

>>18008283
Oh yea sure because Africans only started existing when the white man started colonizing them, it's not like they lived in their continent for hundreds of thousands of years without being wiped out by some disease or whatever.

>> No.18008383

>>18008332
common sense.

>> No.18008414

>>18008283
>Since they never would have developed modern medicine on their own or harvested the resources to trade for it
Sounds like racist bullshit. Sage

>> No.18008420

>>18008368
> it's not like they lived in their continent for hundreds of thousands of years without being wiped out by some disease or whatever

The world, and diseases and flus, were rapidly progressing without them. They inevitably would have been exposed to something that required modern medicine.

>> No.18008425

Do people unironically think africa woukd have been some kind of wakanda if europe never bothered?

>> No.18008429

>>18008425
Yes. It's idiotic but America is full of these people.

>> No.18008435

>>18008420
>The world, and diseases and flus, were rapidly progressing without them.
>this is the highest IQ board

>> No.18008456

>>18008414
leftypol.

>> No.18008461

>>18008435
Those statements are objectively true.

>> No.18008494

>>18008420
you realize that WIPING OUT the population is one of the main reasons people colonize to begin with. Besides, thousands of Algerian babies died every single day during the french colonization because Algerians were denied any sort of medical care, how could this have happened if what you said were true. It's easy to come to such rationalizations when you only learn about one side of history.

>> No.18008539

>>18008425
It’s a big cope here in burgerkada

>> No.18008564

>>18008283
>Since they never would have developed modern medicine on their own or harvested the resources to trade for it, are the colonized countries of Africa in massive debt to their colonizers?
You are never in debt to someone unless you ask for their help.

>> No.18008566

>>18008494
>Besides, thousands of Algerian babies died every single day during the french colonization because Algerians were denied any sort of medical care

This is an extremely biased interpretation of the events. If the French weren't there those children still would have died because the Algerians alone were never capable of giving those children appropriate medical care. The French didn't owe Algerians free supplies, French technology or access to French doctors. Furthermore, infant mortality quickly went down by record levels in all colonized nations.

>> No.18008567

>>18008539
>>18008425
it's an even bigger cope to think that africa would have been obsolete if it weren't for colonization

>> No.18008586

>>18008566
that's wrong chud. the algerians being magical, holy and peaceful POC had POC feminist witchcraft which has extremely powerful healing capabilities. the POC lost this feminist POC witchcraft because evil white colonizer oppressors oppressed them and thus severed their holy POC connection to mother earth.

>> No.18008592

>>18008456
And what you gonna do about it? Sit there and take it as your safe space is encroached and you at pushed to the side just like in real life lol

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>>18008567
kek you're living in leftist fairy land.

>> No.18008599

>>18008567
Outside of Egypt, the vast majority of African countries were still living like neanderthals. Even the most basic forms of technology and farming were far beyond them. The idea that they would have rapidly progressed like the rest of the world is utterly ludicrous.

>> No.18008611

>>18008567
Serious Africope

>> No.18008614

>>18008599
Your knowledge of history is the only utterly ridiculous thing here

>> No.18008620

>>18008592
pretty much laugh at your pathetic and completely ineffectual attempts to shill here while reminding you that you'll never be a woman.

>> No.18008674

>>18008566
>If the French weren't there those children still would have died because the Algerians alone were never capable of giving those children appropriate medical care

You think that every nation that's been colonized were some sort of cave dwelling mongrels don't you? Algeria had lively trade and was advanced at the time of its colonization of 1830, so stop boasting about your ignorance.

>The French didn't owe Algerians free supplies, French technology or access to French doctors.

Algeria had hospitals and doctors and medicine way back when burgerland was still burning women because they're witches but of course all of that went down the fucking drain thanks to our most benevolent France. It wrecked everything Algeria had just so it'd build things all over new its own way and deny Algerians education, work, medical care. So don't you come here trying to teach me about my country's history you utter ignoramus.

>> No.18008691

>>18008620
>completely ineffectual
This is already our board incel. It helps that you rightoids are barely literate and that your ideology is devoid of any artistry and intellectual value
I guess you can enjoy /tv/ while it lasts

>> No.18008700

>>18008283
>they never would have[...]harvested the resources to trade for it

you mean like at an industrial level (carbon, iron etc...) or just that there were no trade in Africa internally?

>> No.18008702

>>18008599
This is peak retard.

>> No.18008704

>>18008283
So...colonisation was actually a bad thing?

>> No.18008717

Is colonization just the natural consequence of industrilization? Serms like whoever was going to industrialize first would have done similar

>> No.18008720

>>18008674
>Algeria had hospitals and doctors

Stop trying to rewrite history you disgusting ape. An unsanitary mud hut isn't a hospital and an illiterate mushroom shaman isn't a doctor. The French colonized you because you were a primitive shit hole that had unused resources that your primitive barbarians couldn't protect. Your technology, if we can even call it that, was pathetically primitive and still would be if it wasn't for the colonizers you so desperately hate.

>> No.18008760

>>18008702
The vast majority of Africans were still living in hunter-gatherer tribes and using extremely primitive weapons like spears. Most of them lacked primitive tools like the wheel and never even attempted farming. You can deny it all you want but these are facts.

>> No.18008770

>>18008760
>these are facts
Kek! Any source for that aside for racist caricature and cartoons from the 18th century?
Thought so

>> No.18008784

>>18008770
> t. leftist retard that actually believes in Wakanda

>> No.18008788

>>18008283
Post the source. I don't think Yarvin has ever made such an assertion.

>> No.18008793

>>18008784
Still waiting for a source. Any will do. You base your claims on provable facts right? Then prove it

>> No.18008798

>>18008720
okay burgerman, you know better, I mean isn't that why Europe colonized us? because you guys just know so much better and are so loving and caring that you decided to share your bounty with us. although i find it a bit ironic that right wingers hate it when left wingers try to impose social change on them but then they go ahead and do the same thing to hundreds of nations... makes you think

>> No.18008832

>>18008283
god I want to fuck that painting senseless...

>> No.18008861

>>18008798
>so loving and caring that you decided to share your bounty with us

Nobody made that claim. They were unquestionably better though and that's why they colonized you with ease. Your primitive society was basically defenceless.

>> No.18008881

>>18008283
What disease would wipe them out? I don't get it, arguably the high disease burden was why they didn't advance as much in the first place, but they still survived.

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>>18008283
>>18008788
Yarvin's main work on colonialism is the essay "From Cromer to Romer", I highly recommend it https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2009/08/from-cromer-to-romer-and-back-again/

He just gives descriptions of the prosperity of the Belgian Congo in 1955. Then again in the 1990s when the roads are collapsed, there is no electricity, all of the factories are gone, and the cities are reverting to jungle. "Decolonialization created the Third World."

It's not the most statistics driven argument. E.g. Alternative Hypothesis goes over GDP growth rates after decolonialion. And how there is a correlation between how colonized a country was and how rich it is today. https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/colonialism-did-not-make-africa-poor/

>> No.18009435

>>18008461
How do diseases and flus rapidly progress
Especially in the case of africa

>> No.18009650

>>18009435
> diseases and flus, were rapidly progressing without them

You explain exactly what you think was meant by that statement. I'm not going to explain anything to you until you've done that.

>> No.18009742

>>18008760
> bantu have been practicing agriculture since 1000 BC
> west africans were trading precious metals and bronze castings since the 9th century AD
> stonework fortresses at great zimbabwe in the 11th century

your broader point is not without merit, by you're being pretty retarded as well.

i'm guessing you're descended from wh*te peasant stock. and igbo nobleman is easily your genetic superior

>> No.18009779

>>18008283
No, the colonizers introduced said flus and diseases, and therefore are providing a solution to a problem that is manufactured. You fell for colonialist bait my dude.

And before you mention how malaria was cured with quinine brought from South American Jesuits, sickle cell acted as an adaptation to prevent infection.

>> No.18009797

>>18008691
Imagine believing this

>> No.18009861

>>18009779
>the colonizers introduced said flus and diseases

These flus and diseases would have reached them eventually even without colonization. To avoid them they would have had to wall themselves off completely and they weren't capable of that.

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>>18008283
Um... Um... Erm... Yeah... So... You know...
Absolute monarchy is totally a sustainable system, and not just a transitionary phase between feudalism and modern states. It's like being ruled by a corporation - and no, this didn't cause a dystopian nightmare when it was tried in the Congo or India; but I digress...
Um... Um... Erm... Yeah... So... You know...
Sovereignty can, by definition, only ever be a monopoly - and no, it doesn't matter that a pyramid of subsidiary rulers and institutions are required to maintain it. We just need a hyper-autistic system to formalize them all; but I digress...
Um... Um... Erm... Yeah... So... You know...
Democracy is even worse than slavery. This was all explained eloquently by Count Josef Coudenhove Blutwurst Sacher-Masoch XIV in 1643, a freer time than ours - and no, slavery is not incompatible with freedom; but I digress...
Um... Um... Erm... Yeah... So... You know...
You need to take this thing called the clearpill. It's like the pills in The Matrix, but instead of doing anything you just write 10,000 word blog posts - and no it isn't a waste of time. It's called antipraxis, as my apprentice Nick Land explains on his own blog; but I digress...
Um... Um... Erm... Yeah... So... You know...
I own a motorcycle jacket, because I ride a motorcycle. No, I didn't ride it to this photoshoot - that would scuff my shoes. I just put on the first jacket I saw in a way that was completely unpretentious and non-gay.; but I digress...
Um... Um... Erm... Yeah... So... You know...
My father's rabbi thinks I took the default Jewish survival strategy since the Chaldean invasion, renamed it "exit" and sold it to gentiles as a new political science. He just doesn't understand the complexity of my civic ontology; but I digress...
Um... Um... Erm... Yeah... So... You know...
Yes I have read Hans-Hermann Hoppe, and I do know the difference between feudal, constitutional and absolute monarchy. No, I won't use the terms correctly, and no I'm not just doing it to be edgy. There are high-IQ reasons for it beyond your comprehension; but I digress...
Um... Um... Erm... Yeah... So... You know...
Some say that retarded teenagers on /pol/ have explained in a few posts what I take a whole long-winded book to say. They're wrong, of course - and no, I'm not going to explain why. You have to figure it out for yourself; but I digress.............

>> No.18011119

>>18008332
/pol/

>> No.18011202

>>18010103
wtf im a cathedral lover now

>> No.18011208

>>18009742
Not the same anon, but I'm glad you admit there is such a thing as a genetic superior.
The argument over specific diseases misses the broader point that Africa has her own native diseases, droughts and natural disasters, for which solutions have been introduced from outside. Even Emmanuel Macron, heroic defeater of the Front National, has expressed concern over what will happen to Africans when Europe can no longer provide enough aid for their growing population. Of course, he was immediately denounced as a racist.

>> No.18011316

>>18011119
Well, we are the height of intellectualism.

>> No.18011367

>>18011316
No you're not. You're retarded as fuck.

>> No.18011390

>>18011202
I wasn't suggesting you love the Cathedral. Only that the anti-Cathedral has it's share of sophism. Deconstructing liberal democracy requires serious econonomics, game theory and even metaphysics.

>> No.18011439

>>18008283
Euros would have been bred out of existence by Turks without the new world honestly. Think about it, without the new world resources an wealth Europe would have stagnated just as much as the Middle East but with less resources. Sooner or later Spain would have fallen. The Mongols would have pushed further, the Turks would keep coming. Colonialism didn't save anyone but Europeans. And even then it lowered the quality of life overall for the common white man though introducing sugar and outsourcing work and industry. Wool merchants, peasant farmers. These guys became relics and thus the lower class became dirt poor and fled to the new world. Globalism wasn't a total evil because nothing is that simple but it wasn't a good thing either.

>> No.18011457

>>18008420
>Europeans breed diseases
>take their filthy bodies to Africa
>infect the population
>”what a bunch of irresponsible niglets”

You people are pathetic. All power to our Afribros

>> No.18011534

>>18011457
Europeans carrying diseases to Africa is certainly one way they could have spread. There are plenty of others though.

> take their filthy bodies to Africa

Africans didn't even have the technology to be sanitary. Before colonization their houses and cooking utensils were often built out of a mixture of mud and feces.

>> No.18011620

>>18008283
Back to /pol/ retard. Humans lived for tens of thousands of years across the world and somehow were able to deal with disease before modern medicine (which barely existed when Africa was colonized). Also, it's possible to engage in trade or interchange of ideas without invading and conquering.

>Since they never would have developed modern medicine on their own or harvested the resources to trade for it
Why?

>> No.18011639

>>18011620
>Humans lived for tens of thousands of years across the world and somehow were able to deal with disease before modern medicine

God damn, you're dumb.

>> No.18011661

>>18011620
>the civilization that never invented the wheel on its own would have developed modern medicine

Yes, yes. Please, 1. Stop being cringe; 2. Stop letting /pol/ live in your head.

>> No.18011691

>>18008332
faggots from /pol/

>> No.18011712

>>18011639
Not an argument. OP said "most of the population would have been wiped out" when this has not happened anywhere to humans without modern medicine. If you wanted to make some argument about lives saved by modern medicine vs lives cost to colonization you'd have to use actual numbers, and risk being wrong, instead of braindead racialist talking points.

>> No.18011728

>>18011661
I mentioned trade. I'm not going to argue about when X group would have invented Y technology because that's hypothetical, but I doubt a civilization of people like you would ever get to stone axes. You'd probably have figured out how to scrawl anime boobs on a cave wall, though.

>> No.18011739

>>18011728
>but I doubt a civilization of people like you would ever get to stone axes

You can't control your emotions so you're resorting to baseless insults that have no relevance to the conversation. Absolutely pathetic.

>> No.18011759

>>18011534
Doesn't matter that much because most plague-tier diseases are zoonotic diseases. You can get that from wildlife but it's much more likely that you hatch a deadly disease through a massive animal husbandry industry, That and population density are the main factors for plagues, so mudhut-dwellers and hunter-gatherer societies are pretty safe in that regard. If you get a deadly disease from some wildlife, chances are it won't spread to the next tribe because it will wipe out yours first.

>> No.18011762

>>18011739
>Pretending you had an argument
>Pretending you won that exchange
At least you didn't google logical fallacies and call it an ad hominem I guess. Seethe harder

>> No.18011763

>>18008283

Damn that's a good painting. Just looking at it I can already delight in imagining the lascivious scent under her armpits after an entire day inside that fur

>> No.18012218

So who is the shitheel jannie that nukes anything but gushing praising for Yarvin?

Fuck yourself you pseud.

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>>18008283
Australian Aboriginals lived without colonisation for over 40,000 years.

In fact, there is evidence that there quality of life decreased once colonisation began.

>> No.18012638

>>18008283
>Curtis Yarvin
>highly respected

lol

>> No.18012652

>>18008332
colonization was a good thing but only for africans
whites already lost more than they initially gained and it's only getting worse

>> No.18013409

>>18008283
What book?

>> No.18013439

>>18008283
>would have been wiped out by very simple diseases and flus
Why would they have been wiped out in this way when they had already survived thousands of years of illnesses?

>> No.18013486

>>18008861
Why do you have to pretend to be moral when you are definitely amoral in your mindset? Just admit that you came for the loot.

>> No.18013493

>>18013439
It's very laughable indeed. These insecure idiots make the argument that Africans were just like Sentinel Islanders who have never been exposed to the outside world.
Well, now what did that Globalism bring to old world? Enjoy the fruits, i guess?

>> No.18013594

>>18008586
im leftist / sympathetic to critical theory, but this was pretty funny

>> No.18013620

>>18008283
The West is dire need of colonization by other races and nations to save them from their own hyper neurotic and domesticated selves.