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Are there any feminist books that actually bring up valid points?

>> No.18006690

No

>> No.18006696

The Female Eunuch - Germaine Greer

>The housewife is an unpaid worker in her husband's house in return for the security of being a permanent employee: hers is the reductio ad absurdum of the employee who accepts a lower wage in return for permanence of his employment. But the lowest paid employees can be and are laid off, and so are wives. They have no savings, no skills which they can bargain with elsewhere, and they must bear the stigma of having been sacked.


Dated now (written in 1970).

She essentially argues women were forced to stifle their sexuality and expressions of sexuality.

>> No.18006704

>>18006686
No.

>>18006696
>women are whores and don't want to perform their evolutionarily determined function within the family and society

>> No.18006710

>>18006704
So is women express sexuality they are whore and if men express sexuality they are what? In the right?

This argument doesn't even make sense.

You sound like a virgin.

>> No.18006712

>>18006696
So are women happier now that they stifle their "expression of sexuality"to a much lesser extend?

>> No.18006717

>>18006712
Who said anything about being happy?

>> No.18006719

>>18006686
Yes see >>18001531

>> No.18006722

Iv'e heard good things about Christina Hoff Summers, but not read anything personally. But the general answer is no, unless they're talking about women's rights anywhere but the West.

>> No.18006724

>>18006686
Shulamith Firestone (Feuerstein)'s ideas are insane schizo bullshit ramblings on par with David Icke. No surprise she literally had schizophrenia. I wonder what the average person would think of feminism if they were actually exposed to some of these feminist philosophers' worldviews. They'd regard them as flat earther-tier.

>> No.18006726

>>18006717
The excerpt you posted implies women suffer as a consequence of the opression of their sexuality

>> No.18006733

zeros and ones by sadie plant seems pretty interesting, haven't read it yet though.

>> No.18006736

>>18006726
So? The absence of a certain kind of suffering doesn't automatically equal being happy.

>> No.18006748

>>18006710
Men who "express sexuality" are also bad because they devalue women in doing so. The Catholic Church is right - no sex before marriage.

>> No.18006753

>>18006736
So which suffering is worse in your opinion?

>> No.18006757

>>18006753
My opinion doesn't matter.

>> No.18006761

>>18006733
She looks very Jewish but there's no mention of her being a Jew anywhere.

>> No.18006771

>>18006696
>Despite her Catholic upbringing and her father's open antisemitism, Greer became convinced that her father was secretly of Jewish heritage. She believed her grandmother had been a Jewish woman named Rachel Weiss, but admits that she probably made this up out of an "intense longing to be Jewish." Despite not knowing whether she had any Jewish ancestry, Greer "felt Jewish" and began to involve herself in the Jewish community. She learned Yiddish, joined a Jewish theatre group, and dated Jewish men.[13]
Seriously, what the hell is up with feminism and Judaism?

>> No.18006773

>>18006757
I'm interested in it anyway

>> No.18006777

>>18006771
Seriously, what the hell is up with you looking for any links to Jews?

>> No.18006778

>>18006777
I wouldn't have a clue - I'm not a woman now and I wasn't a 1950s housewife.

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>> No.18006781

>>18006777
Don't you find it strange that feminism is so inextricably linked with Jews?

>> No.18006789

>>18006781
How is this true?

>> No.18006796
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>>18006789

>> No.18006797

>>18006789
Jews are very overrepresented in intellectual circles, as a consequence there are also a lot of jewish feminists

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>>18006796

>> No.18006812

>>18006796
>>18006802

Correlation does not equal causation

>> No.18006814

>>18006686
Why would you care?
Have you read all the classics?
So why would you rather read a feminist book than, say, read or reread Nostromo?

>> No.18006818

>>18006812
Reddit-tier post, because he didn't say Jewish women invented feminism.
He said they're inextricably linked (which I don't think they are), but this doesn't mean one caused the other. They might have met each other along the way, like two to loves who become inseparable.

>> No.18006825

>>18006696
sexual harassment is predicated on the notion the purity of a woman.
how can women argue that they can freely have sex whilst also express trauma after sexual harassment? those are contradictory socialization each belonging to a different era

It's like a women being traumatised that photos of her underwear being leaked while uploading bikini photos of her on the internet

>> No.18006838

>>18006710
If you want to express your sexuality, you don't get protection from sexual harassment
Men express their sexuality and don't also don't get protection from society against harassment

>> No.18006862

>>18006825
Not being in control of a situation terrifies a lot of people. Women need at least an illusion of control to feel safe when they fuck around

>> No.18006866

>>18006825
Because women like desirable men and dislike undesirable men.

>> No.18006879
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18006879

>Your sense of self is a spook that is created through performative acts than become "nature" through repetition.

Based and buddhist pilled. The self is an illusion. Dicks and vaginas are naturally different, estrogen and testosterone are naturally different, but the dichotomy between football and volleyball is in no way natural.

>> No.18006885

what daddy issues do to a bitch

>> No.18006900

>>18006777
How new are you lmao

>> No.18006947

>>18006825
Autism

>> No.18006954
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>>18006686

>> No.18006956

>>18006838
Hahahahaha I express my sexuality therefore I deserve violence

That’s your argument?

>> No.18006971

Feminism is of absolutely no value.

>> No.18006976

>>18006956
yes, that would be their point

>> No.18006979

>>18006956
Not that anon but I don't see the issue here

>> No.18006982

>>18006956
Why are you arguing about sexuality with people who are not even sexually active? Idk what you expected

>> No.18006992

>>18006710
>So is women express sexuality they are whore and if men express sexuality they are what? In the right?
Yes? Wait, did you think "sexes are equal" is a universal truth?

>> No.18007007

>>18006710
The problem is that women on the one hand want to express their sexuality freely, but on the other hand they don't want to be sexualized. You can't have the cake and eat it.

>> No.18007052

>>18006956
That's not my point; That's your bad rhetoric

>> No.18007053

>>18006979
>>18006982

Actual virgins

>>18007007

False dichotomy

>> No.18007055

>Shulamith Firestone
How can someone with such a badass name be so cringe?

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>>18007007
Women do want to be sexualized, but not by undesirable men.

>> No.18007066

>>18007053
Not at all.

Women want to act sexy and be sexual, wearing next no clothes, flirting with men etc but if a man then makes any sort of advancement, comments on it or even just looks at them suddenly the women are being sexualized. That's not how it works

>>18007062
Perhaps that is the case, it doesn't really change the fact that you can't be sexual and not be sexualized.

Murray writes quite a bit of this so I recommend reading him

>> No.18007070

>>18006885
>When she was a child, the family Anglicized their surname to Firestone and moved to St. Louis, Missouri.[13] Her father had become Orthodox when he was a teenager and, according to Susan Faludi, he exercised tight control over his children, with the zeal of a convert. One of her sisters, Tirzah Firestone, told Faludi: "My father threw his rage at Shulie." She railed against the family's sexism; Firestone was expected to make her brother's bed, "because you're a girl", her father told her. Laya Firestone Seghi, another sister, remembers father and daughter threatening to kill one another.[13]
Daddy issues + hereditary Jewish schizophrenia
The deadly cocktail to wreck a civilization

>> No.18007076

>>18007066
>but if a man then makes any sort of advancement, comments on it or even just looks at them suddenly the women are being sexualized.
Again, this is only the case if the male is unattractive.

>> No.18007145

>>18007053
Have sex

>> No.18007155

>>18007066
What an idiotic comment

>> No.18007161

>>18006779
What valid points does this bring up?
>>18006879
Buddhism through gender lens is superfluous

>> No.18007184

>>18007161
You are superfluous

Because no one cares about you, no one will ever turn calorific energy into a warm emotional response in your presence. You are less than nothing, a void into which the happiness of the world escapes.

>> No.18007185

>>18007007
What do you mean by "sexualized"?

>> No.18007191

>>18007184
Hello Judith. Sucked a good goyish foreskin lately?

>> No.18007196

>>18007155
Not an argument.

>>18007185
They act sexy, be that through twerking, acting sexual towards a male (making advancements, touching them, speaking in a certain way), dressing up in revealing clothes and then they don't want to be called out on it and be treated as if they didn't just sexualize themselves.

>> No.18007205

>>18007070
>expected to make her brother's bed
That's actually promoting poor working habits in males, responsible behavior starts with small things. There is a reason why guys in the army have to know how to make their own bed and do it perfectly.

>> No.18007209

>>18007205
Makes sense. Have you ever seen a manly Jewish man?

>> No.18007214

>>18007191
>he figured out that the person he replied to, replied to him in turn

Shit I guess I really am a midwit compared to someone like you

>> No.18007228

>>18007214
Go be a yenta somewhere else
>>18007196
Women are mostly chadsexual, so this isn't hypocrisy on their part. They want to be sexualized by dominant males

>> No.18007232

>>18007209
I work with a Jewish dude who is 6'5 and ripped.
He sounds like the Zohan if he had a mouth full of cotton balls.

>> No.18007237

>>18007228
t. an adult virign

>> No.18007239

>>18006825
Women are naturally schizophrenic. The end.

>> No.18007251

>>18007237
How did you know?

>> No.18007304

Female sexuality would be based if they acted like Puritanical prudes before marriage but turned into insatiable nymphos within its confines instead of the other way around.

>> No.18007330

>>18007304
This! Absolutely.

>> No.18007358

>>18006825
>It's like a women being traumatised that photos of her underwear being leaked while uploading bikini photos of her on the internet

You would probably enjoy eating an ice cream sunday, or a nice steak. However, having any of those foods stuffed down your throat without your consent would probably not be very enjoyable.

This website and the culture (in both senses of the word) it has produced has damaged your view of women, sexuality and relationships beyound repair. Please have sex and/or go to therapy! (preferably both)

>> No.18007367

>>18007304
>Female sexuality would be based if it confined to my personal desires instead of womens desires.

Dope! incredibly surprising and confounding that you (and very few women) hold this view!

>> No.18007389

>>18007358

You're right it wouldn't be enjoyable but you're ignoring the most important part which is how and why would you find yourself in such a situation to begin with? The answer is of course you wouldn't unless you literally wanted it to happen or did something very bizarrely stupid.

>> No.18007403

>>18007389
Your argument is: "women deserve rape if they let themselves into situations where they will be raped"?

or am i misunderstanding you?

>> No.18007420

>>18007367
Women's desires are cringe

>> No.18007460

>>18007403

What makes you think deserve has anything to do with it?
The whole idea of "deserving" anything is only powerful in the hands the of the one who is actually capable of doling out whatever is deserved
The only one who decides if a woman deserves to be raped is the rapist

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18007477

I think Rosa Luxembourg was correct about bourgeois women, but other than that feminism is pretty cringe.

>> No.18007478

>>18007367
This would require women to repress themselves like they used to but our current culture promotes the opposite of self control for both men and women
>coom to porn, it's healthy!
>open your legs to whoever you want, it's empowering!

>> No.18007490

>>18007367
Also I just realized you were being ironic.
If you didn't know, being whores actually isn't very fulfilling for women. They end up unable to pair bond and sad that they can't have children because they were too busy slutting it up when they were still fertile but now they're dried up.

>> No.18007493

>>18007478

Sex is a fun thing two or more sexually mature people engage in for the purpose of pleasure.

In some cases people form exclusive relationships that started out as merely sexual ones for pleasure.

This exclusivity is a verbal contract between two people and is down to them to decide upon

Either we are or we are not monkey. If we are not monkey, sex is fine because it means nothing. If we are monkey sex is fine because monkey brain go hooohoo when peepee in vagine.

>> No.18007505

>>18007477
Feminism itself was bourgeois. Suffragettes didn't have popular support among common women and there were even women-led anti-suffrage groups.
Women as a whole are bourgeois in the sense that they have a stronghold on sexual and social resources, as argued by socialist Mary Marcy in her book "Women as Sex Vendors".

>> No.18007506

Why do fembrains always think people actually care about their private sex lives? Newsflash, I don't. Swallow as many dicks as you want, but don't come crying to me when it doesn't give you the catharsis you are seeking.

>> No.18007525

>>18007493
>If we are not monkey, sex is fine because it means nothing.
You pulled this premise out of your ass.

>> No.18007529

>>18007505
Feminism still is bourgeois, in many ways it's even more bourgeois now than it was back then. I personally think feminism is the greatest example of a class ideology, in reality it only benefits a very small minority of already affluent women, but the entire facade of it uses constant *all women* rhetoric as the moral force behind its argumentation.

>> No.18007530

>>18007505
Suffragettes were heavily astroturfed by the Eternal Anglo and Da Joos.

>> No.18007532

>>18007478
yes, capitalism produces desires that can be commodified. Sex which is "purely" based on pleasures will always be able to be utilised as a commodity for example: Porn, or the type of sex which is purely transactional as in sex work or something like Tinder.

For society to produce healthy sexuality this would not entail "women to repress themselves like they used to" but instead new forms of non-hierachical and non-transactional, re-enchanted sexuality.

Desire does not exist in and of it self on a sort of "Tabula rasa" it is produced, created by human societies and will be shaped by dominant societal forces; such as: Heteropatriarchy, Religion, Capital, and modern identity based LGBT politics.

>> No.18007554

>>18007490
Yes i know, however i think we diagree on why. You are operating on a sort of Telos, to you being a "slut", a promiscous woman is unfulfilling due to it not corresponding to your own teleological view of women as sole purpose being wives, mothers and homemakers.

"Slutting around" will be unfulfilling not because of this telos, but because of the lack of empathy, enchantment and purpose in the purely pleasure based, transactional sexuality of capitalism.

>> No.18007558

>>18007477
modern burger "leftists" would absolutely hate Luxemburg, or claim that she was "problematic" to say the least. Based woman if you ask me.

>> No.18007566

>>18006686
Camille Paglia and Christina Hoff Sommers

>> No.18007577

>>18007477

based

>> No.18007586

>>18006825
Retarded

>> No.18007622

>>18007304
>>18007478
This just sounds like Andrea Dworkin's brand of feminism.

>> No.18007626

>>18007558
Honestly anon, most leftists hate Marxists in general. There's a reason a word like "class reductionism" was invented by these people, because then they have an insult they can hurl when Marxists try to analyze a situation through material interests(Which often include the leftist's interest too).

>> No.18007633

>>18006696
Greer is correct although only within the narrow context of her own experience within her own culture.

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>>18007622
>Seduction is often difficult to distinguish from rape. In seduction, the rapist often bothers to buy a bottle of wine.
So Dworkin was Evolapilled?

>> No.18007659

>>18007007
>>The problem is that women on the one hand want to express their sexuality freely, but on the other hand they don't want to be sexualized. You can't have the cake and eat it.
women can have everything they want, because they are at the top of the sex market. Men are at the bottom. Men are beggars.

women can't get their easy life without getting men to compete for them. competition implies that some men will be bolder than others to be chosen by the woman for casual sex. Women are at the top of the sex market and they like it. THis is why women are communist for anything but sex, and they still want sex to be a free market, because they are the alpha predator only on this market.


Now that you learnt this, you understand that men who realize they are at the bottom of the sex market can only say the truth: the sex market is rigged and privileges women, and women hate to see this.

>> No.18007696

>>18007493
>This exclusivity is a verbal contract between two people and is down to them to decide upon
ho look the atheist and the fantasy of contractualized relationships. Contracts dont exist outside atheist democracy, which why the atheist bugman replaced the theistic monarchy with the atheist democacry

>> No.18007713

>>18007696
Meanwhile the Catholic Church sold indulgences for millennia and Christian priests just can't stop fucking kids and have gay amphetamine orgies.

At least the athetic bugman isn't being a hypocrite.

>> No.18007830

>>18007493
Sex does mean something, it means reproduction (or at least it used to).
>>18007554
It's not my telos only, it's what women want. They themselves express dissatisfaction with the modern dating scene because they were sold the lie that "empowerment" would make them happy.

>> No.18008107

>>18007358
This is not me ------> >>18007389
And no, I wouldn't be traumatized if somebody forced me to eat ice cream.

>> No.18008146

>>18006686

Beauvoir's Second Sex drank from the same source as the rest of existentialism and therefore she does get to the same kind of theses about the world, just from the point of view of particularizing into gender relations. Then again it would hardly be considered a work of feminism today, as far as actual militancy goes. There's also a dozen of other works exploring the nature of unpaid household labour being hidden beneath gender while fueling the entire dedication of mostly male white/blue collars to the productivity of employer companies.

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>> No.18009104

ok

>> No.18009152

>>18006825
based. someone has been reading F. Roger Devlin

>> No.18009159

>>18007304
Asian girls are like that (provided you're not Asian)

>> No.18009868

>>18006825
Whether a woman experiences sex as "traumatic" or not has to do with her feelings about the experience before, during, and after. This is because traditionally - before the invention of cheap, accessible birth control - sex and reproduction were linked. Pregnancy is a much greater cost to women and her immediate family than it is for the man involved since he just peace out.
Unwanted sexual contact is a way to socially stigmatize unwanted potential pregnancies. If a woman consents to have sex with a man, she is essentially consenting to bear his children. If she's cool with that, it's all good. If she isn't, the fact that she's been tramatized is supposed to mobilize the community (Father, brothers, etc.) to chase down the offending dude and deal with him. The fact that birth control has severed the link between sex and pregnancy doesn't change the fact that the female psyche, and female sexuality was shaped for hundreds of thousands of years by a world in which sex=pregnancy.

>> No.18009892

>>18009868
It's incredible that people need to be reminded of things like this
>gee I wonder what the main difference of sex is for men and women

>> No.18009997

>>18009868
The female psyche has been shaped by socialization more than any evolution.
Like you said, after the advent of birth control there is no risk of pregnancy and consequently rape should be viewed by women as no more wrong than physical assault
Yet women still appear to be traumatized
Women want to freely sex now yet still exhibit their past socialization of being traumatized by unwanted sex
This is an exact parallel to women being traumatized that photos of her underwear being leaked while uploading bikini photos of her on the internet

>> No.18010033

>>18006722
The attitudes that uphold women's oppression in non-western countries are still present in the west, they just manifest with less severity (usually)

>> No.18010067
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>>18006710
>Refute this
Tip: you can’t

>> No.18010077

>>18010033
Go on.

>> No.18010096

>>18006686
Liberating Life by Abdullah Öcalan is pretty good, modern non western feminism is less bullshit. Turkey threw him in prison so you know he’s based.

>> No.18010755

This is the most incel thread I’ve seen on this board in a while

>> No.18010908

>>18010755
Yes.

>> No.18011085

>>18009868
imagine trying to use your non-existent evolutionary psyche knowledge to try and rationalize your weird inability to empathize with women.

People don't like to be violated. Period. Do you think you'd enjoy some dude coming up behind you and grabbing your cock? Do you think that that situation might make you feel bad in a different way than if he'd come up and shoved you? How do some of you go down these year long delusional thought spirals without taking half a second to actually think.

>> No.18011174

>>18006686
Yes, several

>> No.18011330

>>18006710
This is a loaded argument. You project a false argument, that he condones lechery in men, and then tell him he is foolish for thinking something which you supposed him to believe. Thus, your argument is invalid and should be discarded.

>>18007659
>because they are at the top of the sex market
>men are beggars
This right here is the incel mindset. Young, attractive women are high in the sex market, but to say women are at the top of the sex market (which implies the universal quantifier) is outright stupid.

On top that, as a male homo sapien, I can assure you that I am no beggar. I have denied young, 18-year-olds the privilege of coupling with me, since I determined quickly they were lascivious strumpets. What gave it away was how readily they sent nude photographs without my asking for them (unsolicited nudes are ok if you're female, remember).

Young women attain sex easily. They are not at all guaranteed an easy life, for such a thing does not exist. In fact, women suffer far more than men, since women only have one strong goal in their life; it is hardwired in their biology to breed. This desire, so closely tied to carnal pleasures, is a root of all human suffering, and women are doomed to experience it throughout their lives, long after fertility has left them.

Men can, and often do, have aspirations beyond family, allowing them to break free from external quantifiers, instead reflecting inwards. Woman shall forever depend on fortune to bestow her with gifts, but we know that fortune as quickly takes as it does give. Man does not wait for fortune to ameliorate his lot; he ventures beyond what is immediately before him and discovers new worlds. For this reason, it is always men who are pioneers in their respective fields; women lack the freedom to venture beyond what has already been shown to them.

Man is the conqueror of men, and thus men are granted a difficult yet rewarding life. Woman is conquered by nature, and thus she lives life as a slave. If you say that the slave's life is easier, you are a fool. To allot terms like 'easy' or 'hard' to life implies there is some game to be played and a prize to be won, but the slave's life is spent in servitude to something external to himself, without knowing why he's doing it. He wins no prize and suffers no loss, it is as though he never lived. Thus their life is 'easy' in the same sense a calf, killed not long after birth, also experiences an easy life. There is no life easier to live than the life which is never lived, and thus the easier the life, the less life there is to be lived, until a life is so easy that its equivalent to death.

>> No.18011440

Feminism is not intellectually honest. Feminists are notoriously sense-affirming "Angst"-denying victimization-actualizing people that want to make a splash and conjure an images of ethically-necessitated authenticity and include everyone meaning every "well-intentioned" dumb fuck capable of sitting in classrooms absorbing overused talk-bites and having similar "academic" professors float you through the process so you don't have to fucking think about the conglomerate entangled anti-structural mess of byzantine bureaucracy full of shits lacking any personal conviction or clear point of critical focus, but this boring repeated endless "philosophical" journalistic wave of blogspots and papers and articles based on intro classes, just this giant wave of human labor spent on SHIT for no reason, empty words about feminism here organs-without-bodies there "idle talk," with it's justifications of "oh well he's white" "oh his political involvement" "oh that thing he did once what an awful person" no sense of self-mortality driving real desire to free oneself as an alienated being for one's own turning-toward Angst of "potentiality-for-being-in-the-world", no awareness of logos for the possibility of the condition of "middle grounding," mortal immortality as tradition, ouroboros as mobius strip, this has become such a hell fuck reality cybernetic factories of non-threateners have become who enforce upon each other banal sense-perceptional consequences of which these play-actors flail around pretending to tap into cosmic becoming so they can justify cultural bohemian hipster aping around in a globalized techne that has become so transparent because of how pervasive it's become they pretend their lowly collective meshing can account for the directional spirit our humanity is annihilating.

>> No.18011502

>>18011085
The fact that you have to resort to homosexuality for a comparison that still doesn't actually come close is pretty telling.

If an ugly spinster pinches your ass (or your crotch), you might be angry, but you wouldn't be "traumatized". Even if it happened in the workplace, you probably wouldn't start a legal battle to make sure she loses her job. You'd be extremely annoyed at worst.

>> No.18011570

>>18011502
Do you honestly think that every single instance of sexual harassment towards women ends up in court? 90% of women handle it in exactly the way you described. Have you ever actually met someone who you've talked to about this, or experienced it yourself? My manager at circle K used to slap us on the ass all the time, men and women, and we told him it made us feel weird but he kept doing it. We all just moved on. That's how shit goes most of the time.
You sound like an armchair moralist with a stunted sexuality.

>> No.18011609

>>18011570
>Do you honestly think that every single instance of sexual harassment towards women ends up in court?
No. Do you honestly think that i implied this?

And if "90% of women handle it exactly in the way i described" (number is probably off but w/e), then 99,9% of men handle it in that way. The point is that there's clearly a difference.

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>>18010755
Almost every thread is this bad by my measure.

>> No.18011669

>>18011440
Ok, I'll quit this website. I'm literally sharing space with schizo's.

>> No.18011678

>>18007358
>Please have sex and/or go to therapy! (preferably both)
Searching for a qt Psicologist near me...

>> No.18011696

>>18006812
How many correlations are needed to make you start questioning the causation?

>> No.18011730

>>18007358
Even if it's not enjoyable, it's not something which causes trauma. Seeing your friends and family die may cause trauma, being put in a violent situation may cause it, and somehow having sex with an undesirable causes it too.

Think about it, why is rape so horrible even in the instance of someone completely passed out who wouldn't remember it? What if the guy wore a condom to protect her from pregnancy and STDs? What specifically makes it horrible? I would argue that if she's a virgin, you're unrightfully taking what makes women special, but modern feminism doesn't agree with this view. Maybe then you're having sex with another man's wifr/gf, but this also reduces women to being mere property. To the feminist, sex is an act, like watching a movie or eating a cheeseburger. Thus, having sex with a passed out girl is like putting a movie on for her to watch, even if she has no recollection or desire to watch it. It's like feeding a comatose man a steak in a tube. Sex is just an act, so rape in and of itself isn't really that violent or horrible. It's just an act. The means of rape, however, can be violent, and worthy of reproach, much like the means of taking money from people has varying levels of acceptability, but taking money from people after exerting some effort isn't violent of itself.

>> No.18011787

>>18008360
closed it as soon as i saw the large presbyopia boomer font

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>>18011626

>> No.18011822

>>18011790
Pointing is rude :(

>> No.18011959

>>18006690
fpbp

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>>18006686

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>>18011972
>extracts from

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>>18012002
The better version

>> No.18012115

>>18007493
Do people really have sex and not experience deep emotional connection with a person? Is sex to them really just like jacking off or playing corn hole or something?

I've never had this mindset and have always equated sex with partnership. The couple times I had one-nighters in college just made me sad and empty.

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>>18006686

Woolf hated "feminism." Nevertheless, this book had a lot in it about gender roles and femininity/masculinity. It wasn't heavy-handed and it was quite refreshing after reading Margaret Atwood. I haven't read Ms. Dalloway (it might do the same thing better and with more focus on what you're looking for in particular).

>> No.18012701

>>18012115
Normieworld is a strange place

>> No.18012852

>>18006686
Whoooo caressss

>> No.18012858

>>18011790
Butterfly, you’ll never be as pretty as her. Even in your prime, you were less than her right shoulder, and now, everyday, you age more and more ugly.

>> No.18012865

>>18012858
Anon butterfly bothers me, and is often very mean to me, but calling her ugly and being ageist at her is still super uncool of you. So please stop.

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>>18006686
Of course!

>> No.18012905

>>18012865
When was I mean to you?

>> No.18012952

>>18012905
You don't consider those kinds of comments mean so it isn't really worth mentioning. Besides it's probably my fault for being bothered by them, they don't phase me when anon says worse things in the same vein. I just care about your opinion for some reason. Rent free and all that.

>> No.18012974

>>18012952
I think I see now.
I care. I just care differently about it.

>> No.18012981

>>18011790
Who is that?

>> No.18012993

>>18006686
Yes. Many. You're not going to get an earnest conversation here. First off, /lit/ would need to actually read anything to do that, which it doesn't.

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>>18012981
Jennifer Love Hewitt

>> No.18013023

>>18012974
You say that but it still makes me want to cry lol

>> No.18013033

>>18006696
I liked the idea about domestic partners being "unpaid workers" when they completely disregard the simple fact that their effort and labor goes directly to themselves or their loved ones. The whole point of getting paid to do work, is because you work for another entities' behalf, thus get compensated in currency. But I guess in that framework people within your own immediate family or household are not yourself, as it's fundamentally a selfish mentality.
Note that I don't think domestic partners should be exclusively women nor that women are required to fulfill that role. I think in modern economic environments domestic work is more masculine than the mass majority of common workplace jobs.

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>>18013023
We all must be content with what we have. Make the best of it. You are perfectly capable of being happy again.

>> No.18013061

>>18012865
>>18012905
>>18012952
>>18012974
>>18013023
>>18013041
I hope you both perish

>> No.18013075

Is there a good reason to dive into femminist lit? It just seems like the argumentation lines of women are equals or should be treated like equals is an already posthoc axiom that's unfounded. It seems that with a good enough understanding of liberal tendencies femminism comes cleanly from the root. Same with the connections of progressivism to the decline of most forms of social bonds and their relegation to state power and financial capital? Is there much valuable theory beyond of that.

>> No.18013086

>>18013041
Like I said I'm only sad when talk to you or people like you about it. I am generally quite happy with my life. I just wanted anon to not be a dick. I didn't want to start a whole thing with you. I'm sorry

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>>18013061
Eventually even you will too.
I’ll probably outlive you though

>> No.18013098

>>18013086
Please don’t think I’m being mean, is all I mean to get across. You seem very nice and we’d probably get along.

>> No.18013175

>>18006696
Do women not believe in love or something? Why do they all like disney princess movies as kids then? Do they think everything that involves them with men is transactional? Why such a deep-seated sense of being nothing more than a whore?

>> No.18013189

>>18013175
>Do women not believe in love or something?
I don't think most of them do. There's something oddly clinical and transactional about women describing their relationships with men.

>> No.18013198

>>18007304
This is how its always been. In Islam its literally a sin to deprive your wife of sex for no reason.

>> No.18013199

>>18006686
any cookbook